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Bad beats - taking some luck out of ff (1 Viewer)

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Zack the rain man Marconi

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Ok, so I’ve got 2 bad beats this year already and am pretty darn mad about it. Ever since Chris freakin Cooley knocked me out of the playoffs a few years back with 3 td’s in 1 game, I’ve had bad bear after bad beat.  Me and a buddy in our softball team FF league ran some numbers from the past few yrs and found that 71% of matchups are within 10 pts and like 52% within 5.  We everyone in the league is athletic, we play in a pretty competitive softball league (except Joe -fat pitcher and Cooley owner from above).  Anyway, me and my buddy were thinking of how to take some of the luck out of weekly matchups.  Many around here admit how much luck is involved in FF.  So while this most likely isn’t revolutionary, we think we’ve come up with a pretty good system.  Drumroll please.  Ok, here we go, every weekend during the season, every one in the league heads out to the park and takes part in a punt, pass & kick competition.  The winner gets 7.5 points toward that weeks fantasy matchup.  I see this as beneficial in 3 aspects: takes some luck out of FF, allows every one to get out of the house during the season and drink a few brews and hang out, and brushes up our football skills which might even lead to us getting in a flag football league.  Anyone done anything like this before?  Any other suggestions on taking some  of the luck out with some sort of actual skill?  Maybe weekly madden matchups? Thanks

 
Why not hand to hand combat?

You're shifting from "luck" to "different skills than FF knowledge". Not sure what that changes. If you're trying to make FF be a component of a biathlon, you've hit it.

The best way to do what you're proposing is to either play "best ball" for your weekly matchups or do away with weekly matchups all together and have total points (with or without best ball or no starting roster) over the whole season.

 
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Every league has 3 owners that are just bad at fantasy football. If you look around your league and only see 2...

 
i think that this is a weird idea. do you want to play in a fantasy football league or do you just want to bet your friends at meadden and in how far you can throw a football. now normally i am all for drinking beer and hanging out but why dilute your league and or madden leagues with stuf like thjsi, it seems odd and i don't think i would do it.

 
Okay, now for serious. Play in more than one league.

You used "bad beat" (a poker analogy). If you play 16 hands of poker, the bad beats wont even out....they cant. Statistically there isn't near enough of a sample size for any meaningful determination of skill. The same holds true in FF. If you play in multiple leagues over multiple years, the skill will move toward the top (although, this is still not nearly enough of a sample size, but at least it helps).

Also, some have suggested that head-to-head is not necessarily the best scoring system for determining skill. :lmao:

 
Seems to me that if you want to do a punt, pass and kick competition that you should do just that.

It also seems to me that you are tired of losing by 7 points and feel confident that you can win the punt, pass and kick competition against the majority of the people in your league.

Lastly it seems to me that this does nothing other than shift the luck/bad beat to a different area that is non-fantasy related.

Seems like a silly idea to me and I would not want to be in the league that did it, but if you guys all agree then more power to you.

 
The easiest way is to have everyone in the league face 2 opponents every week. So if you typically have a 13 week, 13 game season, you are now looking at 26 games. This will lower the luck factor greatly.

 
eoMMan said:
The easiest way is to have everyone in the league face 2 opponents every week. So if you typically have a 13 week, 13 game season, you are now looking at 26 games. This will lower the luck factor greatly.
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Agree here. I think we've all put up a great score, only to play that week's highest scoring team. Alternatively, I think we've all put up a low score, but were lucky enough to go against that week's low scorer. Playing 2 opponents each week will balance a lot of that out, so the strongest teams, not the luckiest, will be the league leaders at the end of the season.
 
Punt, Pass, Kick competition each week?

Yes..that certainly makes the fantasy outcomes more fair.

"Peyton had a great week, but I lost by one ####### point because Jim out punted me by 2 yards this week!!! dammit!!!"

:D

 
we do a head to head game and than award an additional win or loss for finishing in the top 6 or bottome 6 (12 team league) in scoring for the week.

Teams have a good week 2-0

bad week 0-2

and some can go 1-1

so a team who has a great game, but catches bad luck vs another team that has a great game still gets a w. (125pts vs 122 point loser)

or a team that gets lucky and scores a low point total but still wins gets a loss if they finish in the bottom half of the league. 1-1 (75pts vs 74 pt winner)

been doing this for ovver 5 years , works great.

 
Zack the rain man Marconi said:
Ok, so I’ve got 2 bad beats this year already and am pretty darn mad about it. Ever since Chris freakin Cooley knocked me out of the playoffs a few years back with 3 td’s in 1 game, I’ve had bad bear after bad beat.  Me and a buddy in our softball team FF league ran some numbers from the past few yrs and found that 71% of matchups are within 10 pts and like 52% within 5.  We everyone in the league is athletic, we play in a pretty competitive softball league (except Joe -fat pitcher and Cooley owner from above).  Anyway, me and my buddy were thinking of how to take some of the luck out of weekly matchups.  Many around here admit how much luck is involved in FF.  So while this most likely isn’t revolutionary, we think we’ve come up with a pretty good system.  Drumroll please.  Ok, here we go, every weekend during the season, every one in the league heads out to the park and takes part in a punt, pass & kick competition.  The winner gets 7.5 points toward that weeks fantasy matchup.  I see this as beneficial in 3 aspects: takes some luck out of FF, allows every one to get out of the house during the season and drink a few brews and hang out, and brushes up our football skills which might even lead to us getting in a flag football league.  Anyone done anything like this before?  Any other suggestions on taking some  of the luck out with some sort of actual skill?  Maybe weekly madden matchups? Thanks
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I think you are on the right track but if you are serious about this you need to suspend the league right now, abandon the season. Spend all of your free time practicing the punting the passing and the kicking (maybe some running some catching and some tackling too). THEN next season you each get on a different NFL team ( I say different because we wouldn't want the possibility of any collusion...say if one of you ended up the fullback and one the running back of the same team where the fullback actually has to block for the opposition). THEN reinstate the league with an additional roster spot called ME (where your stats each week count). That way you only have yourself to blame for not stepping it up enough that week.
 
Another thing you could try if you just want to test your drafting, trading, and free agency abilities is to set up a Madden league and just simulate the games...

 
Just make the playoffs EVERY year, win championships every once in a while, and talk alot of smack......convince people it's not luck.

 
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Wu-banger said:
we do a head to head game and than award an additional win or loss for finishing in the top 6 or bottome 6 (12 team league) in scoring for the week.Teams have a good week 2-0 bad week 0-2and some can go 1-1so a team who has a great game, but catches bad luck vs another team that has a great game still gets a w. (125pts vs 122 point loser)or a team that gets lucky and scores a low point total but still wins gets a loss if they finish in the bottom half of the league. 1-1 (75pts vs 74 pt winner)been doing this for ovver 5 years , works great.
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This works well. You can also use power rankings for playoff spots. (a combination of record, total points and weekly head to head records for all teams).
 
My takeaway from the original post:

- My new alt account is going to be "Joe The Fat Pitcher", with requisite Chris Cooley avatar.

- I may just change one of my fantasy teams' name to "Fat Pitcher Joe and the Hailtstorms" while I'm at it.

 
Believe it or not we already do this in one of my leagues. We do it with Madden though because we're spread out across the country. Teams are formed with out actual rosters and we play each other. The defense is compromised of our starting D/ST. Winner of the game is awarded 10 points towards that week's matchup.

 
Zack the rain man Marconi said:
eoMMan said:
The easiest way is to have everyone in the league face 2 opponents every week. So if you typically have a 13 week, 13 game season, you are now looking at 26 games. This will lower the luck factor greatly.
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Now we're talking, I like this
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if you like this, the principle carried further is an all play league. you face every other team head to head and then get a total win-loss record for the week. for example if there are 12 teams, you have 11 head to head matchups. say you go 6-5, 7-4, etc. each week and then have a total head to head record at the end of the year. its not technically the same thing as a total points league. but it still doesn't remove luck. it changes your result when you lose to the Highest scoring team of the week with the 2nd highest score. instead you would go 10-1. it doesn't change luck if your team sucks and you just happen to lose close games.
 
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To combat the luck factor, we use the victory points system for our standings. You get 2 points for a win. In a 12 team league, if your weekly score is in the top 4 then you earn 2 points. in the middle 4, you earn 1 point. No points for finishing in the bottom third for scoring for the week. So if you score in the top 4 for the week and win your game you can earn 4 points but also if you had a good scoring team but just get burned due to team you were playing then you can still earn points equivalent to a win.

This doesn't help in the playoffs but we also give home field advantage in the form of 3 extra points to the higher ranked team in the playoffs. There are no home field advantage points awarded during the regular season.

 
Clifton said:
Believe it or not we already do this in one of my leagues. We do it with Madden though because we're spread out across the country. Teams are formed with out actual rosters and we play each other. The defense is compromised of our starting D/ST. Winner of the game is awarded 10 points towards that week's matchup.
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How do you handle offensive lines?
 
5-ish Finkle said:
My takeaway from the original post:

- My new alt account is going to be "Joe The Fat Pitcher", with requisite Chris Cooley avatar.

- I may just change one of my fantasy teams' name to "Fat Pitcher Joe and the Hailtstorms" while I'm at it.
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Fantastic band name too! I'm unclear exactly which idea was going to fix the problem...Was it adding a beer drinking contest?

 
Ignore the haters. Up the competition prize to 100 pts and you've got your answer.

 
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Ok, the team has decided that we'll do our first 7.5 pt competition Thanksgiving weekend.  We usually throw the pigkin around that weekend anyway, a few years back Mert broke his jaw, this should be a little safer (assuming Chris aka Coco Critty stays off the busch - and scooter.  BTW I won last week and am now 1-2. 

 
Zack the rain man Marconi said:
Ok, the team has decided that we'll do our first 7.5 pt competition Thanksgiving weekend.  We usually throw the pigkin around that weekend anyway, a few years back Mert broke his jaw, this should be a little safer (assuming Chris aka Coco Critty stays off the busch - and scooter.  BTW I won last week and am now 1-2. 
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Is that a fat cousin or something..... :thumbdown:

You'd be in trouble if this guy was in your league......

 
Zack the rain man Marconi said:
Ok, so I’ve got 2 bad beats this year already and am pretty darn mad about it. Ever since Chris freakin Cooley knocked me out of the playoffs a few years back with 3 td’s in 1 game, I’ve had bad bear after bad beat.  Me and a buddy in our softball team FF league ran some numbers from the past few yrs and found that 71% of matchups are within 10 pts and like 52% within 5.  We everyone in the league is athletic, we play in a pretty competitive softball league (except Joe -fat pitcher and Cooley owner from above).  Anyway, me and my buddy were thinking of how to take some of the luck out of weekly matchups.  Many around here admit how much luck is involved in FF.  So while this most likely isn’t revolutionary, we think we’ve come up with a pretty good system.  Drumroll please.  Ok, here we go, every weekend during the season, every one in the league heads out to the park and takes part in a punt, pass & kick competition.  The winner gets 7.5 points toward that weeks fantasy matchup.  I see this as beneficial in 3 aspects: takes some luck out of FF, allows every one to get out of the house during the season and drink a few brews and hang out, and brushes up our football skills which might even lead to us getting in a flag football league.  Anyone done anything like this before?  Any other suggestions on taking some  of the luck out with some sort of actual skill?  Maybe weekly madden matchups? Thanks
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Bears.Beats.

Battlestar Galactica.

 
thatguythere said:
Zack the rain man Marconi said:
Ok, the team has decided that we'll do our first 7.5 pt competition Thanksgiving weekend.  We usually throw the pigkin around that weekend anyway, a few years back Mert broke his jaw, this should be a little safer (assuming Chris aka Coco Critty stays off the busch - and scooter.  BTW I won last week and am now 1-2. 
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Is that a fat cousin or something..... :confused:

You'd be in trouble if this guy was in your league......
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Critty? He's and old neighbor. His name is Christopher, when he was young he would pronounce Christopher as Critty. Our other neighbor's dad then formed it into coco critty, like coco crispies, and it's stuck 25 yrs later.
 
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