Bad Draft etiquette or just stupid or both? (2 Viewers)

[PahtyTom]

Some guy in one of my leagues started taking everyone elses rb handcuffs in the 7th round. He ended up with Perry, Turner, Morrency, and Betts when his starters are Steven Jackson and Addai (He also grabbed Rhodes). The rest of his team is really weak as you could expect and he has no backup wrs, no kicker, and an ultra weak bench.

Is this a wise move to draft all these guys a bit earlier than expected and try to trade them, or is it as stupid as it seems? Is it bad draft etiquette or is this fantasy football and you can do whatever you think is right to try to win?

Also, do the handcuff's trade value go up based on how early he drafted them and the need of the other owners to secure them or does it go down based on how bad his team will look if he doesn't move some of these guys?

 

[spOOfy]

Some guy in one of my leagues started taking everyone elses rb handcuffs in the 7th round. He ended up with Perry, Turner, Morrency, and Betts when his starters are Steven Jackson and Addai (He also grabbed Rhodes). The rest of his team is really weak as you could expect and he has no backup wrs, no kicker, and an ultra weak bench. Is this a wise move to draft all these guys a bit earlier than expected and try to trade them, or is it as stupid as it seems? Is it bad draft etiquette or is this fantasy football and you can do whatever you think is right to try to win? Also, do the handcuff's trade value go up based on how early he drafted them and the need of the other owners to secure them or does it go down based on how bad his team will look if he doesn't move some of these guys?

It's just stupid. Thank him for his donation. Can you post his whole team?

 

[jurb26]

So he drafted all those handcuffs for other guys RBs yet did not draft Rhodes to handcuff to Addai.... Priceless!

 

[MLBrandow]

So he drafted all those handcuffs for other guys RBs yet did not draft Rhodes to handcuff to Addai.... Priceless!

that's backwards.

 

[jurb26]

So he drafted all those handcuffs for other guys RBs yet did not draft Rhodes to handcuff to Addai.... Priceless!

that's backwards.

My opinion is that way too, but I'm guessing this guy thinks otherwise.

 

[Dave Baker]

Just stupid.

The only bad draft eitquette is not to offer others a beer when you go up to get one yourself.

 

[The Jerk]

Some guy in one of my leagues started taking everyone elses rb handcuffs in the 7th round. He ended up with Perry, Turner, Morrency, and Betts when his starters are Steven Jackson and Addai (He also grabbed Rhodes). The rest of his team is really weak as you could expect and he has no backup wrs, no kicker, and an ultra weak bench. Is this a wise move to draft all these guys a bit earlier than expected and try to trade them, or is it as stupid as it seems? Is it bad draft etiquette or is this fantasy football and you can do whatever you think is right to try to win? Also, do the handcuff's trade value go up based on how early he drafted them and the need of the other owners to secure them or does it go down based on how bad his team will look if he doesn't move some of these guys?

I think it's mostly stupid. If I'm in that league, I do everything possible not to help him out. I'd rather make trades with other owners if one of my players gets hurt. So he's got a really weak team AND he's alienated a large percentage of his competitors. Double dumb.

 

[PahtyTom]

Some guy in one of my leagues started taking everyone elses rb handcuffs in the 7th round. He ended up with Perry, Turner, Morrency, and Betts when his starters are Steven Jackson and Addai (He also grabbed Rhodes). The rest of his team is really weak as you could expect and he has no backup wrs, no kicker, and an ultra weak bench. Is this a wise move to draft all these guys a bit earlier than expected and try to trade them, or is it as stupid as it seems? Is it bad draft etiquette or is this fantasy football and you can do whatever you think is right to try to win? Also, do the handcuff's trade value go up based on how early he drafted them and the need of the other owners to secure them or does it go down based on how bad his team will look if he doesn't move some of these guys?

It's just stupid. Thank him for his donation. Can you post his whole team?

QBs Favre and SimmsRbs Jackson, Addai, Rhodes, Perry, Turner, Morency, BettsWrs Steve Smith, Plaxico, Matt JonesTE WinslowDef Indy

 

[Keys Myaths]

Some guy in one of my leagues started taking everyone elses rb handcuffs in the 7th round. He ended up with Perry, Turner, Morrency, and Betts when his starters are Steven Jackson and Addai (He also grabbed Rhodes). The rest of his team is really weak as you could expect and he has no backup wrs, no kicker, and an ultra weak bench. Is this a wise move to draft all these guys a bit earlier than expected and try to trade them, or is it as stupid as it seems? Is it bad draft etiquette or is this fantasy football and you can do whatever you think is right to try to win? Also, do the handcuff's trade value go up based on how early he drafted them and the need of the other owners to secure them or does it go down based on how bad his team will look if he doesn't move some of these guys?

It's just stupid. Thank him for his donation. Can you post his whole team?

QBs Favre and SimmsRbs Jackson, Addai, Rhodes, Perry, Turner, Morency, BettsWrs Steve Smith, Plaxico, Matt JonesTE WinslowDef Indy

That's awful.Why do you care?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Just stupid.The only bad draft eitquette is not to offer others a beer when you go up to get one yourself.

I don't think that there's really such as thing as bad draft etiquette other than taking guys that are already taken, taking too long to make a pick, or showing up late. Everything else is fair game and you either have a good draft or a bad draft. This guy had a bad draft. If his opponents' RBs don't get hurt, but his do, he's at a double loss now. He'll have absolutely nobody to fill in. And there is no way I'd ever trade for a backup of one of my starting RBs unless the guy was essentially a throw in.

 

[LHUCKS]

Just stupid.The only bad draft eitquette is not to offer others a beer when you go up to get one yourself.

 

[PahtyTom]

So he drafted all those handcuffs for other guys RBs yet did not draft Rhodes to handcuff to Addai.... Priceless!

Na, he got Rhodes.

 

[JimmyD]

Some guy in one of my leagues started taking everyone elses rb handcuffs in the 7th round. He ended up with Perry, Turner, Morrency, and Betts when his starters are Steven Jackson and Addai (He also grabbed Rhodes). The rest of his team is really weak as you could expect and he has no backup wrs, no kicker, and an ultra weak bench. Is this a wise move to draft all these guys a bit earlier than expected and try to trade them, or is it as stupid as it seems? Is it bad draft etiquette or is this fantasy football and you can do whatever you think is right to try to win? Also, do the handcuff's trade value go up based on how early he drafted them and the need of the other owners to secure them or does it go down based on how bad his team will look if he doesn't move some of these guys?

It's just stupid. Thank him for his donation. Can you post his whole team?

QBs Favre and SimmsRbs Jackson, Addai, Rhodes, Perry, Turner, Morency, BettsWrs Steve Smith, Plaxico, Matt JonesTE WinslowDef Indy

No such thing as bad etiquette. All players are open game.If this is a standard 12 person team with standard scoring, its not that bad. Not saying its the best team in your league. He's very weak in Def/kicker, but like most leagues he should be able to work the waiver wire all year for these two areas.Favre/Jackson/Indy Starting RB/Steve Smith/Plaxico/Winslow/Indy/Some kickerFavre/Simms can get it done depending on matchups, especially if INTs don't countSteve Smith and Plaxico is a strong WR punch, i like Plaxico this year now that he's been with Eli for over a year to develop good chemistry.Winslow should produce to be at worst startable and at best top 5 (just ask him )Indy Def is shakey, but unless the scoring is different he should be able to pick up a hot Def a few weeks into the year.kickers, who cares, he should be able to pick one up to be startable.

 

[The Jerk]

When you see the whole team, I'm not sure it's bad at all. First off, I think he has a shot at a competitive team. Secondly, that's only a few "handcuffs" and Morency I'd argue is close to a RBBC. If he had one pure handcuff, it wouldn't be news, so what's three. Not that big of a deal. It's more strategy than being a jerk.

 

[jurb26]

So he drafted all those handcuffs for other guys RBs yet did not draft Rhodes to handcuff to Addai.... Priceless!

Na, he got Rhodes.

I see, missed that 1st time.

 

[wannabee]

So he drafted all those handcuffs for other guys RBs yet did not draft Rhodes to handcuff to Addai.... Priceless!

Na, he got Rhodes.

I see, missed that 1st time.

the point is still right, the other owner's team stinks. let him rot.

 

[The Jerk]

So he drafted all those handcuffs for other guys RBs yet did not draft Rhodes to handcuff to Addai.... Priceless!

Na, he got Rhodes.

I see, missed that 1st time.

the point is still right, the other owner's team stinks. let him rot.

I don't see it as that bad. He's gotta hit on Plaxico and Winslow, but if he does, that's a respectable team or maybe slightly higher. Better be a start 2 WR league though.

 

[qazqaz11]

So he drafted all those handcuffs for other guys RBs yet did not draft Rhodes to handcuff to Addai.... Priceless!

Unless I'm reading the original post wrong he did draft Rhodes, which appears to be the only intelligent thing he did. As for drafting ettiquette there is none. If I need another RB and I think M Bennett is the best RB available at that point I'm certainly not going to pass on him so that the guy that that drafted LJ can have him for a handcuff. If his handcuffs work out he's gonna be loaded at RB....... and if they draw my numbers this weekend I'll be a millionaire. I like my chances better.

 

[easy like sunday morning]

Some guy in one of my leagues started taking everyone elses rb handcuffs in the 7th round. He ended up with Perry, Turner, Morrency, and Betts when his starters are Steven Jackson and Addai (He also grabbed Rhodes). The rest of his team is really weak as you could expect and he has no backup wrs, no kicker, and an ultra weak bench. Is this a wise move to draft all these guys a bit earlier than expected and try to trade them, or is it as stupid as it seems? Is it bad draft etiquette or is this fantasy football and you can do whatever you think is right to try to win? Also, do the handcuff's trade value go up based on how early he drafted them and the need of the other owners to secure them or does it go down based on how bad his team will look if he doesn't move some of these guys?

I wouldn't call what he was doing bad etiquette. I would call what he did stupid for his team. So what if he got your back up. By him taking back ups before they would be taken other players that actually see the field and play are still out there. Take them and fill your roster with players you can actually use. Getting back ups is fine but in some cases is overrated.

 

[wannabee]

So he drafted all those handcuffs for other guys RBs yet did not draft Rhodes to handcuff to Addai.... Priceless!

Na, he got Rhodes.

I see, missed that 1st time.

the point is still right, the other owner's team stinks. let him rot.

I don't see it as that bad. He's gotta hit on Plaxico and Winslow, but if he does, that's a respectable team or maybe slightly higher. Better be a start 2 WR league though.

You really think this team can compete or even be ok?QBs Favre and SimmsRbs Jackson, Addai, Rhodes, Perry, Turner, Morency, BettsWrs Steve Smith, Plaxico, Matt JonesTE WinslowDef Indy

 

[redman]

It's always prudent to draft backups instead of starters. Just ask Bill Bidwell.

 

[jurb26]

We need a scoring system and starting requirements here.

 

[wannabee]

We need a scoring system and starting requirements here.

also number of teams in league

 

[jurb26]

We need a scoring system and starting requirements here.

also number of teams in league

Yes, good point. I mean who was he passing on to take these RBs? Where there even quality starters still available? I mean you can't knock a guy for taking backups if thats all there is to pick from or they are the BPA.

 

[JimmyD]

So he drafted all those handcuffs for other guys RBs yet did not draft Rhodes to handcuff to Addai.... Priceless!

Na, he got Rhodes.

I see, missed that 1st time.

the point is still right, the other owner's team stinks. let him rot.

I don't see it as that bad. He's gotta hit on Plaxico and Winslow, but if he does, that's a respectable team or maybe slightly higher. Better be a start 2 WR league though.

You really think this team can compete or even be ok?QBs Favre and SimmsRbs Jackson, Addai, Rhodes, Perry, Turner, Morency, BettsWrs Steve Smith, Plaxico, Matt JonesTE WinslowDef Indy

Yes, he didn't leave himself any chance for bad luck but the starting squad can dangerous. (I assume he'll be able to pick up kickers and defenses during the season)

 

[PahtyTom]

It's a 10 team league where you start 1 QB, 3 WRs, 2 RBs, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST

6 pts for all tds and -3 pts for interceptions, -2 for fumbles

 

[jurb26]

It's a 10 team league where you start 1 QB, 3 WRs, 2 RBs, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST

OK, ya it's settled. Bad team.

 

[The Redbeard]

I gotta agree - he needs Smiths hammy to be okay, Plaxico to play like the first half last year, KWII to be 100% and stay off the bikes and Favre to have one last fling - but, I certainly don't see this as a team that will sit ant "rot" as some posters have said.

I mean, this far before the start of the season - he decides to take a handcuff in the 7th or 8th round instead of taking a Frank Gore or a Lendale White. So, he's hoping more for an injury than a training camp battle. But if Portis or LT sprain a knee next week. . . will his team rot then?

Edited to say - "YEah, not so good for a 10," though at this point he has 5 weeks to see if a training camp injury happens and then he can always add another WR or K. THe beauty of 10 team leagues, there will always be plenty of good players on the WW.

 

[qazqaz11]

Week 6 he has no def, no TE,no kicker and only 2 WR.

 

[The Redbeard]

Week 6 he has no def, no TE,no kicker and only 2 WR.

And 11 weeks to prepare for week 6. Besides, its not a survivor league.

 

[JimmyD]

It's a 10 team league where you start 1 QB, 3 WRs, 2 RBs, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST

OK, ya it's settled. Bad team.

I retract all statements, prior to this info. Its not a good team with only 10 teams.

 

[Sack-Religious]

If it's a PPR league, then Perry (if healthy - ok that's a BIG IF at this point) has some value even if Rudi doesn't go down. The word out of Houston is making me feel less and less comfortably with Dom Davis, and with Morency playing well in limited duty last year and 1st in line to be "the guy" Morency isn't a "bad" pick.

My guess is he's doing one of two things. He's either going to try to trade the backup to the owner of one of Rudi, LT, DD or Portis, should they get hurt. Or hope one of the backups blows up should a guy get hurt.

Would I do this? Heck no. Can I see this guys logic? Yes.

Even if one of Rudi, LT, DD, Portis goes down, I don't know what he'd get in return for trading one of their backups. He's not going to get a stud WR or RB in return as presumably most other teams have decent depth. In order to get a stud, he'd probably have to trade one of Smith or Plax along with the backup RB to get something decent in return thus weakening his team.

While injuries are a part of real and fantasy football, banking on injuries to make your season successful is a very risky move.

The more I think about it, the more stupid I think the move is, afterall.

 

[Sack-Religious]

It's a 10 team league where you start 1 QB, 3 WRs, 2 RBs, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST

6 pts for all tds and -3 pts for interceptions, -2 for fumbles

Is that his entire team? Noone else on the bench?

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Some guy in one of my leagues started taking everyone elses rb handcuffs in the 7th round. He ended up with Perry, Turner, Morrency, and Betts when his starters are Steven Jackson and Addai (He also grabbed Rhodes). The rest of his team is really weak as you could expect and he has no backup wrs, no kicker, and an ultra weak bench.

Is this a wise move to draft all these guys a bit earlier than expected and try to trade them, or is it as stupid as it seems? Is it bad draft etiquette or is this fantasy football and you can do whatever you think is right to try to win?

Also, do the handcuff's trade value go up based on how early he drafted them and the need of the other owners to secure them or does it go down based on how bad his team will look if he doesn't move some of these guys?

It goes down. He needs decent players alot more than other owners need a handcuff. He doesn't have much leverage when he desperately needs players.

Just stupid.



The only bad draft eitquette is not to offer others a beer when you go up to get one yourself.

 

[nygiants56]

Some guy in one of my leagues started taking everyone elses rb handcuffs in the 7th round. He ended up with Perry, Turner, Morrency, and Betts when his starters are Steven Jackson and Addai (He also grabbed Rhodes). The rest of his team is really weak as you could expect and he has no backup wrs, no kicker, and an ultra weak bench. Is this a wise move to draft all these guys a bit earlier than expected and try to trade them, or is it as stupid as it seems? Is it bad draft etiquette or is this fantasy football and you can do whatever you think is right to try to win? Also, do the handcuff's trade value go up based on how early he drafted them and the need of the other owners to secure them or does it go down based on how bad his team will look if he doesn't move some of these guys?

It's just stupid. Thank him for his donation. Can you post his whole team?

LOL..I did it last year, when I took LJ.won the championship as a result.

 

[PahtyTom]

It's not a PPR league and just to give an idea of the teams he's up against:

my team

QBs Bulger, Rivers

WRs Harrison, Driver, Burleson, Curtis

RBs LT, Westbrook, Benson, T Jones, Maroney, Lendale

TE Vernon Davis

no kicker

ATL defense

another team

QBs Mcnabb, Warner

WRs Fitz, Roy Will, K Rob, Lloyd

RBs LJ, Dom Davis, KJ, Bush, Deuce, Bennett

TE Heap

no kicker

Jax defense

 

[TheLastDispatch]

why dont you guys draft kickers?

your team looks solid aside from the no kicker part and vernon davis. i'm not sold on any solid start from the 9ers.

 

[The Jerk]

So he drafted all those handcuffs for other guys RBs yet did not draft Rhodes to handcuff to Addai.... Priceless!

Na, he got Rhodes.

I see, missed that 1st time.

the point is still right, the other owner's team stinks. let him rot.

I don't see it as that bad. He's gotta hit on Plaxico and Winslow, but if he does, that's a respectable team or maybe slightly higher. Better be a start 2 WR league though.

You really think this team can compete or even be ok?QBs Favre and SimmsRbs Jackson, Addai, Rhodes, Perry, Turner, Morency, BettsWrs Steve Smith, Plaxico, Matt JonesTE WinslowDef Indy

Yes, if it's a 12-team league with start 2 WR. Let me be very clear here. I would hope to have a better team than this, but I've certainly seen worse. He can improve via free agency. Plus, there are the unknowns about this league. Maybe there is a history of trading that goes on, etc.Now, having seen it's a 10-team league with start 3 WR. Wow! It's pretty bad.

 

[PahtyTom]

why dont you guys draft kickers? your team looks solid aside from the no kicker part and vernon davis. i'm not sold on any solid start from the 9ers.

We had to hold our draft early because we all live in different places now and this was the only time we could get together, but because of its earliness most of us figured to just use that roster spot on a flyer that could possibly pan out before the season starts. If the flyer pans out then we can trade them and get value, if not we just drop them and pick up some kicker.

 

[qazqaz11]

Week 6 he has no def, no TE,no kicker and only 2 WR.

And 11 weeks to prepare for week 6. Besides, its not a survivor league.

Unless someone makes him a trade he will either have to drop one of his handcuffs (defeating his purpose) or play the first 5 wks w/o a kicker + play wk 4 with only 2 WR. In a 10 team league he'll be lucky to be 1-5 by the end of wk 6.

 

[duaneok66]

Week 6 he has no def, no TE,no kicker and only 2 WR.

And 11 weeks to prepare for week 6. Besides, its not a survivor league.

Unless someone makes him a trade he will either have to drop one of his handcuffs (defeating his purpose) or play the first 5 wks w/o a kicker + play wk 4 with only 2 WR. In a 10 team league he'll be lucky to be 1-5 by the end of wk 6.

the team is not that bad . . . and sure, no team makes moves in the first six weeks of the season . . . LOL . . .

 

[Momohater]

I say his team is not terrible nor is it strong, but if he can pull off some trades with these 'handcuffs' more power to him and great strategy. I personally would have waited and taken 1 in later rounds as a flyer. Someone will always overvalue backups and then you can make a trade.....

Not my ideal situation, but I see his strategy.

 

[Warhogs]

I did not read all the posts but this is certainly not bad etiquette. Drafting a starting RB does not give you rights to the backup. I would think that to have a whole bunch of 2nd stringers to top RB who are not in jeapordy of losing their jobs (meaning hoping for injury) may not be a great strategy.

 

[GregR_2]

I did not read all the posts but this is certainly not bad etiquette. Drafting a starting RB does not give you rights to the backup. I would think that to have a whole bunch of 2nd stringers to top RB who are not in jeapordy of losing their jobs (meaning hoping for injury) may not be a great strategy.

I agree. It is so not even a question of etiquette I'm surprised the question was asked.As for good strategy or not, it can be good strategy. Teams may take players they feel are less valuable than their handcuff simply because they believe the handcuff will still be there at their next pick. So it's a way, if you hit on that situation, to get a player who otherwise is unavailable to you.I think he may have taken it too far though. You should look at it as a gamble that might pay off, not count on having it pay off just to fill out your starting lineup.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

It is awesome etiquette.

It is a pretty high-risk strategy, though. It could pay off big if the right starting RBs get injured, but this guy probably has a better chance than anyone else of finishing last in the league.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I did not read all the posts but this is certainly not bad etiquette. Drafting a starting RB does not give you rights to the backup. I would think that to have a whole bunch of 2nd stringers to top RB who are not in jeapordy of losing their jobs (meaning hoping for injury) may not be a great strategy.

I agree. It is so not even a question of etiquette I'm surprised the question was asked.As for good strategy or not, it can be good strategy. Teams may take players they feel are less valuable than their handcuff simply because they believe the handcuff will still be there at their next pick. So it's a way, if you hit on that situation, to get a player who otherwise is unavailable to you.I think he may have taken it too far though. You should look at it as a gamble that might pay off, not count on having it pay off just to fill out your starting lineup.

I agree with both these dudes here. It's a good strategy that was taken way too far.It's bad enough to hope for injuries to starters to help your fantasy season; it's worse when you are also counting on owners to fall over backwards with their legs in the air to help you out.

 

[matuski]

Not bad etiquette... do whatever you want.

As for stupid... he may well look like a genius before the season ends.

 

[Buttmonkey]

I neither like or dislike the strategy. But that's FF - everone to their own opinion. Here's what I have a problem with - some owners get their panties in an uproar when someone else drafts their backup. Tough cookies sunshine - maybe instead of reaching for that diamond in the rough WR, you should have drafted your handcuff. Last year I took LJ in two of my dynasty leagues (one was a new one and I got him in the 7th round - can't believe the Priest owner didn't jump on him earlier).

HTH

 

[Buttmonkey]

Perry, Turner, Morrency, and Betts

Not bad strategy at all now that I think about it. Perry in PPR leagues is solid; Turner is just an annoyance to the LT owner; Morrency is a pretty good pick considering DD will miss time (he always does), and it has been stated Betts will get more PT this year and if Portis goes down - pretty solid backup.

 

[gregjcross]

he can draft whoever he wants, i dont see the pain here. if he likes the chances of Michael Turner and Chris perry so be it, they coudl carry him to a deep playoff run if the starter is hurt or they could do absolutely nothing, thats fantasy football. Its his strategy, god knows RBs go down. And to say "I wont trade with him because he alienates other players, makes less sense then his draft strategy.

Some guy in one of my leagues started taking everyone elses rb handcuffs in the 7th round. He ended up with Perry, Turner, Morrency, and Betts when his starters are Steven Jackson and Addai (He also grabbed Rhodes). The rest of his team is really weak as you could expect and he has no backup wrs, no kicker, and an ultra weak bench. Is this a wise move to draft all these guys a bit earlier than expected and try to trade them, or is it as stupid as it seems? Is it bad draft etiquette or is this fantasy football and you can do whatever you think is right to try to win? Also, do the handcuff's trade value go up based on how early he drafted them and the need of the other owners to secure them or does it go down based on how bad his team will look if he doesn't move some of these guys?

It's just stupid. Thank him for his donation. Can you post his whole team?

QBs Favre and SimmsRbs Jackson, Addai, Rhodes, Perry, Turner, Morency, BettsWrs Steve Smith, Plaxico, Matt JonesTE WinslowDef Indy

That's awful.Why do you care?