Bailey-Portis trade (1 Viewer)

[PMENFAN]

This trade was widely criticized by many as the Broncos giving up too much. I disagreed, and still do. I think in Washington Portis has been proven to be the slightly above RB he is, that excelled in Denver, while Bailey has proven himself to be an elite corner, whose effectiveness has, IMHO, improved in Denver. Portis helped to improve the 'shins run game, and Bailey improved the donkeys D. A pretty fair trade, IMHO. Both teams improved, and neither suffered at the position. Though I must say I am impressed that Washington didn't suffer losing both bailey and smoot in 2 years time.

 

[thesurfshop19]

Both had off years in 2004, but both bounced back this year with excellent seasons to lead to major improvement by each team.I actually recall most people saying the Redskins were giving up too much ... since they gave up a 2nd rounder.That said, I think it was pretty even. All things considered, you could argue that each is having the best season of their career. I know that Portis only had his 3rd-best season by yards, efficiency, and TDs, but he stayed healthy (despite 382 touches) and is going to the playoffs for only the 2nd time in his career (and the 1st time his team was blown out in the 1st round).

 

[Ghost Rider]

While Bailey is more of a top flight player at his position (he is a top 3 cornerback while Portis would be lucky to be a top 5 RB), I would call the trade even. Washington's defense is still very good and their offense improved. Denver's running game is still deadly while their defense has improved a lot. Overall, a good trade for both teams.

 

[Marc Levin]

Good deal for both sides, IMO.I still think the skins got a bit taken since they gave up so many draft picks - as a straight up player for player trade, the skins got the better side, but with the number of draft picks that also went along with the deal, Denver got the better side of the deal, but maybe not by all that much.Good trade for both sides.

 

[packersfan]

While Bailey is more of a top flight player at his position (he is a top 3 cornerback while Portis would be lucky to be a top 5 RB)

In terms of talent, I think Portis is easily a Top 5 RB. The guy has (IMO) off-the-charts talent and ability. I always thought the Redskins took WAY too much flack for that trade given how good Portis is. I thought Bailey was awful last season but he bounced back and played very well this year. This was one of those trades that worked out for both teams.

 

[redman]

Good deal for both sides, IMO.

I still think the skins got a bit taken since they gave up so many draft picks - as a straight up player for player trade, the skins got the better side, but with the number of draft picks that also went along with the deal, Denver got the better side of the deal, but maybe not by all that much.

Good trade for both sides.

Both got rid of players who, while very good at their positions, were making noise about wanting to leave over contract dissatisfaction.

The 'Skins clearly didn't need Bailey to field a good or even (last year) great defense; the Broncos clearly didn't need Portis to run the football well.

 

[Benchwarmers]

I think Denver got the better end of the trade. Bailey has been pretty good. Denvers running game really doesnt miss Portis. Also the 2nd rounder Denver got was where this trade goes in Denvers favor. Does anyone remember who the Broncos took in the draft at that 2nd round pick ?

 

[redman]

I think Denver got the better end of the trade. Bailey has been pretty good. Denvers running game really doesnt miss Portis. Also the 2nd rounder Denver got was where this trade goes in Denvers favor. Does anyone remember who the Broncos took in the draft at that 2nd round pick ?

I believe the 2nd rounder they took was Tatum Bell. Your analysis only focuses upon what Denver got in the trade and didn't lose on offense. Shouldn't you perform the same analysis as to the Redskins?

 

[avoiding injuries]

I think the Portis-Bailey trade was fair. Both teams improved and settled potential unhappy situations. You have to give the edge to DEN b/c of the draft pick.I think the trade in which DEN made out extremely well was last years draft pick swap. Redskins got the 25th pick for their 3rd last year and 1st and 4th this year. The Redskins must have seen something special in Campbell.

 

[redman]

I think the Portis-Bailey trade was fair. Both teams improved and settled potential unhappy situations. You have to give the edge to DEN b/c of the draft pick.

I think the trade in which DEN made out extremely well was last years draft pick swap. Redskins got the 25th pick for their 3rd last year and 1st and 4th this year. The Redskins must have seen something special in Campbell.

The Redskins paid market value for that pick if you look at what teams give up to get QB's. The question here is whether Campbell is worth it, and we'll only know that in about 3-5 years.

 

[Sinrman]

Yep. Still a good deal for both. Both teams unloaded unhappy talent. Both have done well for their teams. 'Nuff said.

 

[Marc Levin]

I think Denver got the better end of the trade.  Bailey has been pretty good.  Denvers running game really doesnt miss Portis.  Also the 2nd rounder Denver got was where this trade goes in Denvers favor.  Does anyone remember who the Broncos took in the draft at that 2nd round pick ?

I believe the 2nd rounder they took was Tatum Bell. Your analysis only focuses upon what Denver got in the trade and didn't lose on offense. Shouldn't you perform the same analysis as to the Redskins?

 

[Prime]

I think the Portis-Bailey trade was fair.  Both teams improved and settled potential unhappy situations.  You have to give the edge to DEN b/c of the draft pick.

I think the trade in which DEN made out extremely well was last years draft pick swap.  Redskins got the 25th pick for their 3rd last year and 1st and 4th this year.  The Redskins must have seen something special in Campbell.

The Redskins paid market value for that pick if you look at what teams give up to get QB's. The question here is whether Campbell is worth it, and we'll only know that in about 3-5 years.

3-5 years to find out if your #1 pick will pan out? Ouch.I know it takes some QB's time to blossom, but I have always been a firm believer in the notion that truly great players shine very early and can't be kept off the field. I know it works differently with Gibbs, but that's just MHO.

 

[AB in DC]

I know it takes some QB's time to blossom, but I have always been a firm believer in the notion that truly great players shine very early and can't be kept off the field. I know it works differently with Gibbs, but that's just MHO.

We're talking about the 25th overall draft pick -- how many 25th picks have been "great'?Late first round picks almost always need a couple years before becoming a difference-maker.

 

[AB in DC]

I think the Portis-Bailey trade was fair. Both teams improved and settled potential unhappy situations. You have to give the edge to DEN b/c of the draft pick.

I think the trade in which DEN made out extremely well was last years draft pick swap. Redskins got the 25th pick for their 3rd last year and 1st and 4th this year. The Redskins must have seen something special in Campbell.

This doesn't look like a steal for Denver now that the Skins' pick is, at best, the 21d. Not much difference between 21 and 25, and all they got was a 3rd and this coming year's fourth. (I'm sure that this year's Broncos team would have looked a lot better if they'd kept that first.)By comparison, Baltimore gave up a second round pick in a similar deal to draft Boller.

 

[gman8343]

Good trade for both teams. And Portis isn't an above average RB, he looks like an elite RB to me.

 

[Ghost Rider]

While Bailey is more of a top flight player at his position (he is a top 3 cornerback while Portis would be lucky to be a top 5 RB)

In terms of talent, I think Portis is easily a Top 5 RB. The guy has (IMO) off-the-charts talent and ability. I always thought the Redskins took WAY too much flack for that trade given how good Portis is. I thought Bailey was awful last season but he bounced back and played very well this year. This was one of those trades that worked out for both teams.

Bailey was far from awful last season. He was good, not great. However, some of his worst games were nationally televised ones (like the Bengals game), so I can see how some might be under the perception that he stunk all year. As for Portis, I would say he is a top 10 RB, but not quite top 5. Just my opinion, though.

 

[redman]

I think the Portis-Bailey trade was fair.  Both teams improved and settled potential unhappy situations.  You have to give the edge to DEN b/c of the draft pick.

I think the trade in which DEN made out extremely well was last years draft pick swap.  Redskins got the 25th pick for their 3rd last year and 1st and 4th this year.  The Redskins must have seen something special in Campbell.

The Redskins paid market value for that pick if you look at what teams give up to get QB's. The question here is whether Campbell is worth it, and we'll only know that in about 3-5 years.

3-5 years to find out if your #1 pick will pan out? Ouch.I know it takes some QB's time to blossom, but I have always been a firm believer in the notion that truly great players shine very early and can't be kept off the field. I know it works differently with Gibbs, but that's just MHO.

The fact that Brunell established himself this year as the QB means in my mind that he goes into next season as the starter. However, I wouldn't be saying that if we were discussing any other position. There are far more Drew Brees's and Rich Gannons than there are Peyton Mannings. Even Troy Aikman required some time to show he was as good as advertised.

Break down the starters by team and you see that pretty clearly:

New England - Brady sat for a year before coming out of nowhere.

Jets - Pennington sat for 2 years; Bollinger for 1+ years

Miami - Frerotte's really a backup, so N/A, but he's only been successful in later years

Buffalo - Losman has sat for 1 year and part of a second; Holcomb = Frerotte

Pittsburgh - Big Ben was a rookie phenom, but had a superb team around him

Baltimore - Boller has struggled for 3 years and the jury's still out (according to some)

Cincy - Palmer sat for a year and then took off

Cleveland - Frye, if he's the answer, sat for most of his rookie year

Houston - Carr's 4 years into his career and the jury's still out

Indy - Peyton was a stud virtually from day 1, albeit 10 weeks or so into his rookie year

Jacksonville - People still aren't entirely convinced Leftwich is the answer after 3 years

Tennessee - McNair didn't start full-time until his 3rd year and wasn't a truly good passer until his 7th season.

Denver - Plummer wasn't regarded as a good NFL QB until this, his 9th season.

Kansas City - Green sat for most of his first 4 years in the league.

San Diego - Brees downright sucked for 3 years before becoming successful

Oakland - Collins had some modest success as a young Carolina QB, but only flourished as a passer 7 years into his career

Giants - Eli has had his ups and downs early, but has showed a lot of promise from early on

Cowboys - Bledsoe started right away but really began to excel in his 4th year

Eagles - Donovan was promising from the get-go, and was good by year 2

Redskins - Brunell sat for 2 years in Green Bay before getting the job in Jax where he really hit his stride after starting for 3 years

Chicago - Grossman's lost a lot of time to injury, but it's taken 3 years for people to think he's a starter (and it may still be premature)

Green Bay - Favre sucked his first year, and took 3 additional years with Holmgren to show he could do it

Detroit - Harrington's been there for 4 years and people are still debating whether his failures are truly his, or his team's.

Minnesota - Daunte sat for his rookie year, and excelled thereafter (albeit with top-notch offensive talent in place).

Tampa Bay - Simms has had his ups and downs, and it's still not a certainty whether he or Griese is the starter next year

Carolina - Delhomme sat for 3 years and was traded before he showed he could play

New Orleans - Brooks sat for 1-2 years in Green Bay before being traded and still required 2 additional years to perform well in NO

Atlanta - Michael Vick . . . well, he's his own discussion now, isn't he?

Seattle - it took Hasselbeck 5 years and two teams to show he was starting caliber

SF - Alex Smith: too early to tell.

StL - Bulger sat for a year and didn't earn the starting job outright until his 3rd season

AZ - Warner is the classic example of a late-bloomer; 'nuff said.

 

[jbz]

This trade was widely criticized by many as the Broncos giving up too much. I disagreed, and still do. I think in Washington Portis has been proven to be the slightly above RB he is, that excelled in Denver, while Bailey has proven himself to be an elite corner, whose effectiveness has, IMHO, improved in Denver.

Portis helped to improve the 'shins run game, and Bailey improved the donkeys D. A pretty fair trade, IMHO. Both teams improved, and neither suffered at the position. Though I must say I am impressed that Washington didn't suffer losing both bailey and smoot in 2 years time.

I believe most criticized that the Redskins gave up too much considering they threw in a 2nd rounder. I felt at the time (and still do) that a straight up trade of Portis for Bailey is even.

 

[dj_stouty]

Bottom line: Denver fans swore up and down that he couldn't reach 1,500 yards outside of eEnver, let alone in the defense-heavy NFC East.He proved them wrong...and thus made the trade much more even than it looked last year.He put the Redskins on his back and carried them into the playoffs...literally. 5 straight games of 100+ yards over the last 5-game winning streak. Not too shabby for a guy who was labeled a "Denver system back" and who was too "injury prone".

 

[Marvelous]

I thought the Redskins gave up way too much in the trade and was a mistake. The one mitigating factor is that Champ was going to get the franchise tag and tie up a lot of salary cap space. So the Redskins felt they had to make a move. They apparently planned all along to sign Shawn Springs. Oddly enough, Springs was not known to have many suitors, but Gibbs went after him hard.It's just the last 6 games or so that Portis has really fit into the Redskin's offense right. Last year and the begining of this year, it always looked like a mismatch to me. So the trade is looking a lot better.From what I have heard, Gibbs loves Portis, even after last year when the offense never clicked.

 

[perry147]

It's just the last 6 games or so that Portis has really fit into the Redskin's offense right. Last year and the begining of this year, it always looked like a mismatch to me.

I thought the same thing.

 

[redman]

It's just the last 6 games or so that Portis has really fit into the Redskin's offense right.  Last year and the begining of this year, it always looked like a mismatch to me. 

I thought the same thing.

Both sides have admitted that they've changed their games to suit each other. Portis as a consequence has grown as a RB and has become more disciplined. Gibbs loves the guy for his passion for the game and his willingness to put everything he has into every play, especially when he doesn't have the ball. The thing that may make me happiest about the trade from a 'Skins perspective is that Portis doesn't behave like a superstar, whereas Bailey in more recent years began to think very highly of himself and got an attitude. Granted, both are great athletes, etc., but Bailey's act hard started to wear thin by the time he left.

 

[avoiding injuries]

The Portis doesn't behave like a superstart]

After their win in Philly last Sunday, Portis was the last player on the field. He was running around slapping hands with all the Redskins fans that had made their way down to the front row.

 

[thatguy]

Portis doesn't behave like a superstar

You're joking, right? If not, what the hell are you smoking? This is probably the most untrue statement I have ever read.Did you happen to see the Denver/KC game two seasons ago when Portis put on the big belt and proclaimed himself the best RB in football? Do you watch his weekly press conferences? I really hope this was a joke.

 

[Marc Levin]

Portis doesn't behave like a superstar

Do you watch his weekly press conferences?

I, personally, LOVE the Thursday Portis press conference.Yeah, he does superstar things, but he's not an ego maniac about it, he keeps it "fun" and he's the exception to the rule of the "punk" players from the "U"He really does keep it all on the field - which is why I don't mind the antics of guys like Portis and Chad Johnson.

 

[Ronnie Mack]

Portis helped me win my league championship week 17- that last td run he blew by everyone was sweet. Actually he dedicated td to his mom who was being harrassed and alledgely punched out a philly fan. Im sorry Portis is a top 5 back, and has more talent than Anderson/Bell combined.

 

[redman]

Portis doesn't behave like a superstar

You're joking, right? If not, what the hell are you smoking? This is probably the most untrue statement I have ever read.Did you happen to see the Denver/KC game two seasons ago when Portis put on the big belt and proclaimed himself the best RB in football? Do you watch his weekly press conferences?

I really hope this was a joke.

I don't care what he did 2 years ago. I'm talking about now, with my team. And yes, I stand by what I said.

 

[Gamblor]

Portis doesn't behave like a superstar

You're joking, right? If not, what the hell are you smoking? This is probably the most untrue statement I have ever read.Did you happen to see the Denver/KC game two seasons ago when Portis put on the big belt and proclaimed himself the best RB in football? Do you watch his weekly press conferences?

I really hope this was a joke.

I don't care what he did 2 years ago. I'm talking about now, with my team. And yes, I stand by what I said.

You are right. A superstar wouldnt act like this: http://www.nbc4.com/news/5302369/detail.html#

 

[redman]

Portis doesn't behave like a superstar

You're joking, right? If not, what the hell are you smoking? This is probably the most untrue statement I have ever read.Did you happen to see the Denver/KC game two seasons ago when Portis put on the big belt and proclaimed himself the best RB in football? Do you watch his weekly press conferences?

I really hope this was a joke.

I don't care what he did 2 years ago. I'm talking about now, with my team. And yes, I stand by what I said.

You are right. A superstar wouldnt act like this: http://www.nbc4.com/news/5302369/detail.html#

Talk about losing sight of the forest for the trees! I don't care how he dresses if he plays the way he does. He does everything at full speed, including pass protect, and he's totally bought into the system. The team loves him. He doesn't big-time anyone. That's what I'm talking about.

If you think that his stupid costumes somehow change that, then you know less about Portis and the Redskins than you need to to intelligently participate in this conversation.

 

[Gamblor]

Portis doesn't behave like a superstar

You're joking, right? If not, what the hell are you smoking? This is probably the most untrue statement I have ever read.Did you happen to see the Denver/KC game two seasons ago when Portis put on the big belt and proclaimed himself the best RB in football? Do you watch his weekly press conferences?

I really hope this was a joke.

I don't care what he did 2 years ago. I'm talking about now, with my team. And yes, I stand by what I said.

You are right. A superstar wouldnt act like this: http://www.nbc4.com/news/5302369/detail.html#

Talk about losing sight of the forest for the trees! I don't care how he dresses if he plays the way he does. He does everything at full speed, including pass protect, and he's totally bought into the system. The team loves him. He doesn't big-time anyone. That's what I'm talking about.

If you think that his stupid costumes somehow change that, then you know less about Portis and the Redskins than you need to to intelligently participate in this conversation.

You need to relax a little...I dont disagree about anything you say about his play or what his teammates think about him? I never said his costumes change that. He does however wear his costumes to attract attention to himself. As some might suggest is the behaviour of a "superstar".

 

[thatguy]

Portis doesn't behave like a superstar

You're joking, right? If not, what the hell are you smoking? This is probably the most untrue statement I have ever read.Did you happen to see the Denver/KC game two seasons ago when Portis put on the big belt and proclaimed himself the best RB in football? Do you watch his weekly press conferences?

I really hope this was a joke.

I don't care what he did 2 years ago. I'm talking about now, with my team. And yes, I stand by what I said.

He behaves like a superstar, plain and simple. I never said it was a bad thing, but it's a fact. And, his antics in Denver were over the top.That said, I'm curious to hear what Champ has done since he's been with Denver that's so bad? From what I've seen of the guy, he's a class act. Sure, he's cocky, but that's pretty much a necessity to being a good cover corner. And, like Portis, he gives it his all every play.

 

[redman]

Portis doesn't behave like a superstar

You're joking, right? If not, what the hell are you smoking? This is probably the most untrue statement I have ever read.Did you happen to see the Denver/KC game two seasons ago when Portis put on the big belt and proclaimed himself the best RB in football? Do you watch his weekly press conferences?

I really hope this was a joke.

I don't care what he did 2 years ago. I'm talking about now, with my team. And yes, I stand by what I said.

He behaves like a superstar, plain and simple. I never said it was a bad thing, but it's a fact. And, his antics in Denver were over the top.That said, I'm curious to hear what Champ has done since he's been with Denver that's so bad? From what I've seen of the guy, he's a class act. Sure, he's cocky, but that's pretty much a necessity to being a good cover corner. And, like Portis, he gives it his all every play.

You'll note that my original post supported the notion that the trade benefitted both parties more or less equally, so I'm certainly not claiming Champ sucks. The fact is both guys wanted out of their situations and landed where they were wanted and needed. Both seem happy. The one edge I give the 'Skins is that I think Portis has lifted his new team more than Bailey has lifted his - so far. While Bailey is certainly an improvement over whoever he replaced in the lineup, I don't see much overall difference in this Denver defense versus the ones that immediately preceded his arrival. Portis, OTOH, has been the franchise RB that has enabled Gibbs to install his offense, which is light years ahead of where it was 2 years ago.

Also, Bailey was brought in specifically to enable Denver to defend against Indy's pass offense when they meet in the playoffs. It didn't work last year, but then I'm not sure any defense could have stopped last year's passing attack in Indy.

 

[pinda]

I think ultimately, this trade will come down to one thing, Portis will be done in about 2-3 years taking that pounding on such a small frame in Washington and Bailey will still be a viable corner for about 4 or 5.

 

[pinda]

Portis doesn't behave like a superstar

You're joking, right? If not, what the hell are you smoking? This is probably the most untrue statement I have ever read.Did you happen to see the Denver/KC game two seasons ago when Portis put on the big belt and proclaimed himself the best RB in football? Do you watch his weekly press conferences?

I really hope this was a joke.

I don't care what he did 2 years ago. I'm talking about now, with my team. And yes, I stand by what I said.

He behaves like a superstar, plain and simple. I never said it was a bad thing, but it's a fact. And, his antics in Denver were over the top.That said, I'm curious to hear what Champ has done since he's been with Denver that's so bad? From what I've seen of the guy, he's a class act. Sure, he's cocky, but that's pretty much a necessity to being a good cover corner. And, like Portis, he gives it his all every play.

You'll note that my original post supported the notion that the trade benefitted both parties more or less equally, so I'm certainly not claiming Champ sucks. The fact is both guys wanted out of their situations and landed where they were wanted and needed. Both seem happy. The one edge I give the 'Skins is that I think Portis has lifted his new team more than Bailey has lifted his - so far. While Bailey is certainly an improvement over whoever he replaced in the lineup, I don't see much overall difference in this Denver defense versus the ones that immediately preceded his arrival. Portis, OTOH, has been the franchise RB that has enabled Gibbs to install his offense, which is light years ahead of where it was 2 years ago.

Also, Bailey was brought in specifically to enable Denver to defend against Indy's pass offense when they meet in the playoffs. It didn't work last year, but then I'm not sure any defense could have stopped last year's passing attack in Indy.

wow, i'm a huge denver homer and that's news to me that they brought in Bailey to beat Indy. I would say more that drafting 3 CBs on the first day of the draft would be the move they made to try to beat Indy. Shanny has always longed for a shutdown corner, case in point....Dale Carter, Deltha O'Neal, Willie Middlebrooks......all brought in to be his man. All failed. Get that notion out of your head, had nothing to do with Indy. And as for the Denver defense not being lifted since Bailey has been there, I have to disagree again, I think the Denver defense last 2 years has been the best its been for quite a while. Even the superbowl years, the defense got hot at the right time, but it was not a spectacular defense by any means.

 

[pinda]

Portis doesn't behave like a superstar

You're joking, right? If not, what the hell are you smoking? This is probably the most untrue statement I have ever read.Did you happen to see the Denver/KC game two seasons ago when Portis put on the big belt and proclaimed himself the best RB in football? Do you watch his weekly press conferences?

I really hope this was a joke.

I don't care what he did 2 years ago. I'm talking about now, with my team. And yes, I stand by what I said.

He behaves like a superstar, plain and simple. I never said it was a bad thing, but it's a fact. And, his antics in Denver were over the top.That said, I'm curious to hear what Champ has done since he's been with Denver that's so bad? From what I've seen of the guy, he's a class act. Sure, he's cocky, but that's pretty much a necessity to being a good cover corner. And, like Portis, he gives it his all every play.

I'm curious as to this as well, Bailey is cocky, but that's when he's mic'd up on Monday or Sunday nights. You don't see him calling out anybody or giving bulletin board material.Portis has done more negative things since the trade than Bailey. There was the whole numbers fiasco taking that to court. The idiot can't pay $25,000 or whatever it was to a guy he made a verbal agreement with but he can pay the league $20,000 cause he wants to wear a different colored sock. Yeah there's no superstar ego there at all, not at all.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Bottom line: Denver fans swore up and down that he couldn't reach 1,500 yards outside of eEnver, let alone in the defense-heavy NFC East.

They did? I am a Denver fan and never said that and do not recall any other Broncos fan saying that, either.

The one edge I give the 'Skins is that I think Portis has lifted his new team more than Bailey has lifted his - so far. While Bailey is certainly an improvement over whoever he replaced in the lineup, I don't see much overall difference in this Denver defense versus the ones that immediately preceded his arrival. Portis, OTOH, has been the franchise RB that has enabled Gibbs to install his offense, which is light years ahead of where it was 2 years ago.

Also, Bailey was brought in specifically to enable Denver to defend against Indy's pass offense when they meet in the playoffs. It didn't work last year, but then I'm not sure any defense could have stopped last year's passing attack in Indy.

Denver's defense is much better than it was a few years ago. Statistically, they might be about the same (or maybe even a little worse according to yards per game), but look at turnovers. For years, the Broncos defense would look good on paper, but never forced turnovers. This year, they were creating turnovers all over the place. And Denver had several defensive backs hurt last year in the playoffs when they lost to Indy. Bailey cannot defend all of those guys himself, you know.

And as for the Denver defense not being lifted since Bailey has been there, I have to disagree again, I think the Denver defense last 2 years has been the best its been for quite a while. Even the superbowl years, the defense got hot at the right time, but it was not a spectacular defense by any means.

I agree.And it is worth pointing out, as well, that Bailey made the biggest defensive play of the Broncos season, the interception return against San Diego in week 2. They trailed SD 14-3 at the time. If the Chargers win that game, the Broncos are 0-2 and who knows what would have happened to their season then. Winning a game like that gives a team confidence, but losing it might have set them back a bit. Granted, we will never know, but that play by Bailey goes down, for me, as the biggest play of the Broncos season.

 

[JAA]

great deal for both I think

 

[jurb26]

Great deal for both teams. Both were able to unload unhappy top 5 talent and sure up bigger needs to improve the overall team. This is a classic example of a trade that worked for both sides.

 

[This_Guy]

I know it takes some QB's time to blossom, but I have always been a firm believer in the notion that truly great players shine very early and can't be kept off the field. I know it works differently with Gibbs, but that's just MHO.

We're talking about the 25th overall draft pick -- how many 25th picks have been "great'?Late first round picks almost always need a couple years before becoming a difference-maker.

Dan Marino had an okay career (27th Pick Overall)Joe Montana didn't have a bad career (3rd Round)

Tom Brady has had a chance to start some games (6th Round)

Being picked 25th overall doesn't preclude you from having a great career. Sometimes it takes a while to get to that point. Just look at Steve Young, Bret Farve, or Warren Moon. Those guys didn't start in the NFL their first seasons out of college, but they all had very good careers. Saying low draft picks can't be stars or that a guy is not going to have a great career because he doesn't come into training camp as a starter just doesn't make sense. Furthermore sure things don't always work so well either (see R. Leaf, Ki-Jana Carter, T. Couch, Steve Emtman)

 

[pinda]

the Campbell for the 1st in 2006 trade is pretty much a wash.Denver didn't like what was there, Washington got a QB they wanted, and the 2006 1st is the 22nd overall. So Denver gains 3 spots, but loses a year of bringing along a draft pick which is probably worth more than the gain of the 3 spots.

 

[cstu]

Good deal for both sides, IMO.

I still think the skins got a bit taken since they gave up so many draft picks - as a straight up player for player trade, the skins got the better side, but with the number of draft picks that also went along with the deal, Denver got the better side of the deal, but maybe not by all that much.

Good trade for both sides.

Bailey and Bell >>> Portis

 

[Mr. Jinx]

Portis doesn't behave like a superstar

You're joking, right? If not, what the hell are you smoking? This is probably the most untrue statement I have ever read.Did you happen to see the Denver/KC game two seasons ago when Portis put on the big belt and proclaimed himself the best RB in football? Do you watch his weekly press conferences?

I really hope this was a joke.

I don't care what he did 2 years ago. I'm talking about now, with my team. And yes, I stand by what I said.

He behaves like a superstar, plain and simple. I never said it was a bad thing, but it's a fact. And, his antics in Denver were over the top.That said, I'm curious to hear what Champ has done since he's been with Denver that's so bad? From what I've seen of the guy, he's a class act. Sure, he's cocky, but that's pretty much a necessity to being a good cover corner. And, like Portis, he gives it his all every play.

I'm curious as to this as well, Bailey is cocky, but that's when he's mic'd up on Monday or Sunday nights. You don't see him calling out anybody or giving bulletin board material.Portis has done more negative things since the trade than Bailey. There was the whole numbers fiasco taking that to court. The idiot can't pay $25,000 or whatever it was to a guy he made a verbal agreement with but he can pay the league $20,000 cause he wants to wear a different colored sock. Yeah there's no superstar ego there at all, not at all.

Portis never paid up on that deal - because the guy he'd made the deal with didn't make the team that season. The Skins released Ohalete in the first or second round of cuts in preseason. Why pay for something you wound up getting for free?

 

[pinda]

a man is only as good as his word, that's why

 

[SSOG]

3-5 years to find out if your #1 pick will pan out? Ouch.

I know it takes some QB's time to blossom, but I have always been a firm believer in the notion that truly great players shine very early and can't be kept off the field. I know it works differently with Gibbs, but that's just MHO.

Runningbacks, LBs, and CBs tend to show right away whether they'll be any good. DEs, DTs, Safeties, and OLs tend to take 2-3 years. QBs, WRs, and TEs definitely take 3-5 years to mature. And even that is a general rule of thumb with plenty of exceptions both ways.

This doesn't look like a steal for Denver now that the Skins' pick is, at best, the 21d. Not much difference between 21 and 25, and all they got was a 3rd and this coming year's fourth. (I'm sure that this year's Broncos team would have looked a lot better if they'd kept that first.)

By comparison, Baltimore gave up a second round pick in a similar deal to draft Boller.

I disagree with the bolded statement. Denver was tight against the cap, and was able to resign Pryce in part because they didn't have to pay a first round pick. Next year, they will have all of the dead money cleared off of their cap, so they'll be able to afford a first rounder better. Besides, as I mentioned, the rookies that tend to make the quickest impact are RBs, LBs, and CBs. Denver already drafted two of the three best rookie CBs (Williams and Foxworth), Denver doesn't need LBs since they have Al Wilson (perennial pro-bowler), D.J. Williams (runner up for DROY last year), and just resigned Ian Gold (huge playmaker). And as for RBs... no good RBs were left, and besides, Denver had the #2 rushing game in the league this year (#1 if you remove rushing yardage from QBs).

Bottom line: Denver fans swore up and down that he couldn't reach 1,500 yards outside of eEnver, let alone in the defense-heavy NFC East.

He proved them wrong...and thus made the trade much more even than it looked last year.

He put the Redskins on his back and carried them into the playoffs...literally. 5 straight games of 100+ yards over the last 5-game winning streak. Not too shabby for a guy who was labeled a "Denver system back" and who was too "injury prone".

I don't know of any knowledgeable Denver fans who said that. I always said that people who called Portis a product of the system were seriously underrating him, that he was one of the top-5 backs in the league, and that Washington was getting a real talent.

The thing that may make me happiest about the trade from a 'Skins perspective is that Portis doesn't behave like a superstar, whereas Bailey in more recent years began to think very highly of himself and got an attitude. Granted, both are great athletes, etc., but Bailey's act hard started to wear thin by the time he left.

Bailey never dressed up in outfits for press conferences. Bailey never put on a heavyweight belt and called himself the grand champion of the NFL. Bailey never demanded his teammates give up his number so he could have it, and then refused to pay. Does Bailey think highly of himself? Of course, every player in the NFL does. Bailey wants QBs to throw the ball at him. I want a CB that thinks he can beat anyone, anytime. I don't want a CB who says "Oh, this guy's pretty good, I don't think I can beat him, please coach have me cover the other guy because this guy will take me to school".Even worst of all, remember last offseason, when Portis said "I'm going home, I'm not going to train, I'm not going to keep in shape, I'm young, I'm going to go cause some havok and raise some hell. If you hear any stories about me, try to remember that I'm still young and stupid before judging me"? Bailey's never said anything of the sort.

From everything I have heard, Bailey has been extremely humble about his achievements, has striven constantly to improve, and has done everything he can to help teach his teammates everything he knows. He's the consummate pro, a real character guy on a team loaded with real character guys.

Portis doesn't behave like a superstar

Do you watch his weekly press conferences?

I, personally, LOVE the Thursday Portis press conference.Yeah, he does superstar things, but he's not an ego maniac about it, he keeps it "fun" and he's the exception to the rule of the "punk" players from the "U"

He really does keep it all on the field - which is why I don't mind the antics of guys like Portis and Chad Johnson.

I agree, Clinton Portis is a very fun guy, and a great asset to any team... but he's still a prima donna, compared to Bailey, who is a very selfless player.

 

[Magic Man]

bump

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

The best kind of trade, it worked out well for both teams.

 

[SSOG]

The best kind of trade, it worked out well for both teams.

Agreed. Who cares who won this trade? I guarantee you both teams would do this trade over again in a heartbeat.