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So I have Ray Rice as my number two RB, drafting him after the preseason hype that he won the job and was going to be the main ball carrier. After week 1 of 19 carries for 108 yards, the ravens follow up in week 2 by giving Rice only 8 carries and the bulk of the load to McGahee who had 15 carries yesterday. Every depth chart has Rice as the number one but it's clearly a committee. So I'm wonderng what is Baltimores plan with these two RB's going forward is one a clear cut number 1 or will this be a dangerous situation for the rest of the year?

 
I doubt anyone but Baltimore knows what their plan is for using their RB's. My guess is McGahee is the goal line back, but as far as who gets the most carries each week it will be determined by the type of D they play against. It will probably be a guessing game from week to week.

 
it will be a mess like it was last year. Rice was a nice play when he was going in the 6th early in the year and then he proceeded to rocket up the draft board despite being in a full fledged RBBC. Looks like McGahee is the steal.

 
omally said:
I doubt anyone but Baltimore knows what their plan is for using their RB's. My guess is McGahee is the goal line back, but as far as who gets the most carries each week it will be determined by the type of D they play against. It will probably be a guessing game from week to week.
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Is one runner suitable for different defenses than the other? I'm just try g to get a grasp on wheher I can rely on Rice going forward. Here I'm thinking he's cemented as the main carrier, knowing he will gl td's to Willis, I just wasn't expectin to see a flip-flop in game 2 with the distribution of carries.
 
When are people going to admit that McGahee IS THIS GOAL LINE back! I have screwed up for 2 weeks in a row keeping him on my bench because people kept telling me, "Oh, is role is unknown". That's CRAP!

2 games 4 TDs

Come on people! If you have him, just smile, and START him every week!

We know his role. And it is to score TDs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
theJCdude said:
When are people going to admit that McGahee IS THIS GOAL LINE back! I have screwed up for 2 weeks in a row keeping him on my bench because people kept telling me, "Oh, is role is unknown". That's CRAP!2 games 4 TDsCome on people! If you have him, just smile, and START him every week!We know his role. And it is to score TDs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well he was alot more than that yesterday with 15 carries. I'm assuming he's way more than just a gl back. They were feeding him all day long.
 
Being a Ray Rice owner, it's my worst nightmare come true.....It's like being thrown into Shanny's Denver RBBC without truly seeing it coming! I did not think Willis had it in him and have apparently got burned. He is the redzone plan for Baltimore right now and why not, it appears to be working. Owners are stuck with him b/c his value is deflated, but too valuable to drop so he'll take a roster spot until something shakes out. I don't think I'll be able to start him with much confidence at this point, but am fortunate I don't have to count on him as my RB2 like many.

 
full blown committee. People over paid for Rice but it was clear that evey back including McClain was going to get time

 
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I've watched every game Cam has called in Baltimore and I still have no clue as to who's getting the ball from game to game or series to series.

FWIW, Rice had a pretty good game against Cleveland last year. And he made a great one-handed catch yesterday.

 
JuSt CuZ said:
Just a plain mess!I dont understand these head coaches sometimes!
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It is easy actually. Head coaches are not interested in your stupid fantasy football team. They are trying to win real games and they know who should be in and who should be out when. They see film, you do not. You see stats. And stats do not show everything. Just like the idiots who said "Urlacher is over-rated" after seeing some decline in his stats like sacks, ints, forced fumbles etc....because they do not see all those passes that QBs never make because Urlacher as their #1 WR target covered in the middle of the field.
 
My leagues allow for a flex. I'll be starting both of them along with my #1 RB for now. That worked out pretty well this weekend. On that same roster I also have R Williams/R Brown. There may be a week when I start the Miami pair instead. Originally, I just thought I was drafting handcuffs. The days of RBBC are here. This is my new strategy. So far, so good.

 
Looks alot like last year, minus the McGahee injury. I guess if he gets injured, McClain will get the goalline carries again?

 
If your in a TD heavy league then Rice as basically no value ( He will score 2 - 4 TD at very best this season ) .

I think McGahee is also the best pure RB of the two . Rice will finish the season as a third down change of pace .

Dont forget McGahee does nt have much mileage , if he avoids injuries he probably has 3 or 4 more good seasons in the tank.

 
drew726 said:
In PPR Ray Rice is an everyday starter but any other league, I'd stay away from both of these guys.
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McGahee has 4 TDs in 2 games and got an increase in touches this past game. He plays in a run-friendly offense. No way I'm staying away from that.
 
Banger said:
it will be a mess like it was last year. Rice was a nice play when he was going in the 6th early in the year and then he proceeded to rocket up the draft board despite being in a full fledged RBBC. Looks like McGahee is the steal.
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Nobody complained when Rice has 100 yards last week. Its one week! I have Mcgahee and Rice, they will both be good not great.
 
roadkill1292 said:
I've watched every game Cam has called in Baltimore and I still have no clue as to who's getting the ball from game to game or series to series.FWIW, Rice had a pretty good game against Cleveland last year. And he made a great one-handed catch yesterday.
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That's probably a sign of good play calling.as a fantasy owner I like to know how much my players will play, but in a committee like this, it appears to be a crapshoot. As long as this is the situation, both players will probably get pretty decent YPC and both will be adequate #2 RB's and decent #3 RB's.
 
I would be very discouraged if I owned Rice at this point. He flew up the draft boards this year and I was buying it too, fortunatly he got snagged in front of me as I'm sure he did with many people. He'll still have games where he gets more touches than McGahee, and he'll have some big games, but if he continues to get replaced by McGahee in the red zone he is not an RB2, more like a decent flex play each week. Would much rather have guys like Leon Washington & Felix Jones at this point. They're going to get more consistent touches every week from the looks of it.

 
I didn't see the game but from Rice's stat line, it doesn't even appear that he gave way to McGahee because he was ineffective. If that had been the case, it would almost be easier to decide what to do going forward...

 
Thinking about this subject a little more last night, I remembered two mistakes Rice made Sunday, oddly enough both of which resulted in pass receptions for him. On one play, he blew past a blitzing linebacker but didn't turn to look for the ball right away. Flacco had to double clutch, shuffle backwards for time and wait for him to get open and turn around. A small gain that might have gone for bigger yards and Joe jumped in his face after the play.

On the more serious mistake, Cam had made a great call with direction going one way and Clayton throwing back the other to Rice for a screen. The pass hit Rice right in the numbers but he bobbled it, which gave the CB just enough time to grab an ankle and trip him up. If he catches that one clean, he might still be running because the blockers were out there and SD was pretty well fooled on the play.

I wonder if those two instances were a factor in his limited second half touches.

 
gregjcross said:
Banger said:
it will be a mess like it was last year. Rice was a nice play when he was going in the 6th early in the year and then he proceeded to rocket up the draft board despite being in a full fledged RBBC. Looks like McGahee is the steal.
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Nobody complained when Rice has 100 yards last week. Its one week! I have Mcgahee and Rice, they will both be good not great.
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Agreed but guys were drafting him in the 3rd in some drafts I was in and that's too high IMO (non-PPR) because he's not going to be a workhorse or get you the consistent week to week touches. He's going to do what he's done, one week great, the next ok, the next good, the next eeehhh.
 
roadkill1292 said:
Thinking about this subject a little more last night, I remembered two mistakes Rice made Sunday, oddly enough both of which resulted in pass receptions for him. On one play, he blew past a blitzing linebacker but didn't turn to look for the ball right away. Flacco had to double clutch, shuffle backwards for time and wait for him to get open and turn around. A small gain that might have gone for bigger yards and Joe jumped in his face after the play.On the more serious mistake, Cam had made a great call with direction going one way and Clayton throwing back the other to Rice for a screen. The pass hit Rice right in the numbers but he bobbled it, which gave the CB just enough time to grab an ankle and trip him up. If he catches that one clean, he might still be running because the blockers were out there and SD was pretty well fooled on the play.I wonder if those two instances were a factor in his limited second half touches.
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:goodposting: This is a nice informative post. Many times its the subtle (or not so subtle) mistakes on the field that piss coach's off and result in reduced playing time as a consequence. Then us FF junkies scratch our collective heads and wonder why our ( I own Rice) supposed breakout RB is not getting the touches we think he deserves. Another good example would be Beanie Wells. Stat line looks meager, but his two fumbles cost him playing time. Rice has the talent to be a stud in this league. But to rise to the top he will need to do the little things consistently to earn the increased playing time we all expect. Meanwhile, it does not help that Willie Mac is getting it done when he is on the field...
 
JuSt CuZ said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
full blown committee. People over paid for Rice but it was clear that evey back including McClain was going to get time
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It was never, ever clear!nice try tho cuz, I knew you would be lurking!If it was clear, there would not be a thread like this!
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It wasnt clear to you, Rice had hype but there wer rumblings of McGahee being the Goalline back and McClain had a very nice season last year too.Coaches want to keep all these guy legs fresh and will. And I suspect Rice's role to increase as the season goes on, especially once willis starts to get nicked up like he always does
 
Traders2001 said:
If your in a TD heavy league then Rice as basically no value ( He will score 2 - 4 TD at very best this season ) .I think McGahee is also the best pure RB of the two . Rice will finish the season as a third down change of pace .Dont forget McGahee does nt have much mileage , if he avoids injuries he probably has 3 or 4 more good seasons in the tank.
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You think Rice's ceiling for TD's is 4? Its painfully obvious you havent watched any of the Ravens game.
 
Both players are good starts...it is pretty obvious after 2 weeks we have a good RBBC in Baltimore and I would compare it to the Giants of last season with Jacobs and Ward. They both could have very productive seasons.

 
pantherclub said:
Traders2001 said:
If your in a TD heavy league then Rice as basically no value ( He will score 2 - 4 TD at very best this season ) .I think McGahee is also the best pure RB of the two . Rice will finish the season as a third down change of pace .Dont forget McGahee does nt have much mileage , if he avoids injuries he probably has 3 or 4 more good seasons in the tank.
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You think Rice's ceiling for TD's is 4? Its painfully obvious you havent watched any of the Ravens game.
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Rather than mock a guy for his prediction, why not let us know why 4 TDs is a low figure? I don't think Rice will score much more than 4 TD this year either....and I have Rice on one of my teams.
 
Plain and simply, Rice's biggest value is as a receiver, he's very valuable in a PPR-league, he's the main back outside of the red-zone. Once the Ravens are in the Red-Zone, look for a healthy helping of McGahee. My feelings are that they're not going to fix it if it ain't broken, and so far it works good, so look for McClain only if McGahee gets hurt as he's the only true full-back on the roster.

PPR-league - Rice

Non PPR-league - McGahee

And I agree with what another person said about this week - start both!

Ravens are 13.5 pt favorites, look for a healthy dose of rushing attack as Flacco put's up Favre numbers.

 
I drafted Ray Rick pretty high. Fortunately, I drafted McGahee low. So I just waited for this to play out. I'm starting McGahee this week. If he gets 50 yds, that'e enough, because he will score TD's.

 
Shaun said:
Plain and simply, Rice's biggest value is as a receiver, he's very valuable in a PPR-league, he's the main back outside of the red-zone. Once the Ravens are in the Red-Zone, look for a healthy helping of McGahee. My feelings are that they're not going to fix it if it ain't broken, and so far it works good, so look for McClain only if McGahee gets hurt as he's the only true full-back on the roster.

PPR-league - Rice

Non PPR-league - McGahee

And I agree with what another person said about this week - start both!

Ravens are 13.5 pt favorites, look for a healthy dose of rushing attack as Flacco put's up Favre numbers.
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:confused: McGahee is a stud in any format; he's #6 in my PPR, Rice being #19.
 
Shaun said:
Plain and simply, Rice's biggest value is as a receiver, he's very valuable in a PPR-league, he's the main back outside of the red-zone. Once the Ravens are in the Red-Zone, look for a healthy helping of McGahee. My feelings are that they're not going to fix it if it ain't broken, and so far it works good, so look for McClain only if McGahee gets hurt as he's the only true full-back on the roster.PPR-league - RiceNon PPR-league - McGaheeAnd I agree with what another person said about this week - start both!Ravens are 13.5 pt favorites, look for a healthy dose of rushing attack as Flacco put's up Favre numbers.
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Favre numbers meaning 133 pypg?Hard to argue that Ravens shouldn't keep on doing what they're doing. But Rice will score more than 4 TDs just having the chances and role he has. With the receptions and his decent speed, assumming the status quo continues, I think he has a multi-TD game and probably scores around 7. Hundred yard backs get TDs. But as mentioned, the reason McGahee fell out of favor last year (aside from attitude, which has markedly changed) is that he never stays healthy. He was the most talented and effective Raven RB last year (including McLain) but after 3-4 games could rarely stay on the field for a 3 quarters in a row. IMO Rice role increases with the season and McLain remains mostly a non-factor for scoring as Le'Ron blocking for Rice is a more explosive option.
 
If they get to 3rd and goal, Rice comes in, or at least thats what I saw Sunday.

Jamaal Williams was done for SD, so it might have been the plan to exploit the middle of SD defense, meaning more McGahee up the middle.

I might start both this week vs Clev. However I wouldnt be shocked to see McGahee do little and Rice have the big game.

there is no reason to attack CLev's best D player, Shaun Rogers. Go outside via Rice.

 
I wouldn't be surprised to see Rice beak a long TD run this week. Esp. since I am likely to bench him in favor of mcgahee.

 
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tim_whatley said:
I wouldn't be surprised to see Rice beak a long TD run this week.
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Yahoo just posted some interesting Ray Rice trivia:174 career touches (rushing and receiving combined)0 TDsWhat happens first?A) Lions win a game.B) Ray Rice scores.My money is on Rice.
 
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Football Daddy said:
roadkill1292 said:
Thinking about this subject a little more last night, I remembered two mistakes Rice made Sunday, oddly enough both of which resulted in pass receptions for him. On one play, he blew past a blitzing linebacker but didn't turn to look for the ball right away. Flacco had to double clutch, shuffle backwards for time and wait for him to get open and turn around. A small gain that might have gone for bigger yards and Joe jumped in his face after the play.On the more serious mistake, Cam had made a great call with direction going one way and Clayton throwing back the other to Rice for a screen. The pass hit Rice right in the numbers but he bobbled it, which gave the CB just enough time to grab an ankle and trip him up. If he catches that one clean, he might still be running because the blockers were out there and SD was pretty well fooled on the play.I wonder if those two instances were a factor in his limited second half touches.
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:shrug: This is a nice informative post. Many times its the subtle (or not so subtle) mistakes on the field that piss coach's off and result in reduced playing time as a consequence. Then us FF junkies scratch our collective heads and wonder why our ( I own Rice) supposed breakout RB is not getting the touches we think he deserves. Another good example would be Beanie Wells. Stat line looks meager, but his two fumbles cost him playing time. Rice has the talent to be a stud in this league. But to rise to the top he will need to do the little things consistently to earn the increased playing time we all expect. Meanwhile, it does not help that Willie Mac is getting it done when he is on the field...
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2 :bag:This is good stuff and why I started the thread. I knew McGahee and McClain would get touches, especially in the redzone. I was just suprised to see the total carries reversed in week 2. Inside info to us who don't watch the games or follow the team as closely is invaluable. This may help to explain some of it, hopefully just for this past week. Will be interesting to see how it unfolds. Good stuff, thanks for everyone for the input.
drew726 said:
Watch McClain gets 20 carries next week and screws everyone in this thread.
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:bag: :bag: :cry: That would ruin everything.
 
tim_whatley said:
I wouldn't be surprised to see Rice beak a long TD run this week. Esp. since I am likely to bench him in favor of mcgahee.
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Thinking the same thing, as I sit Rice this week and start Willis for the first time this season.
 
JuSt CuZ said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
full blown committee. People over paid for Rice but it was clear that evey back including McClain was going to get time
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It was never, ever clear!nice try tho cuz, I knew you would be lurking!If it was clear, there would not be a thread like this!
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Actually, the coach SAID it was going to be this way. And he said it pretty clearly. And we also heard nothing but good things about McGahee thi summer. Both items were dismissed by the Cult of Rice. It was clear if people were willing to listen to what the team said. Harbaugh never said it would be anything else.
 
All sides here are too quick on the trigger. Two weeks don't tell us anything!!! Yes it is rbbc, however McG is on pace for what 20 - 30 tds? OK...that is really going to happen. :thumbup:

Rice is going to have good games, in ppr he is a good #2, he will always put up 10 points for you at least. It doesn't make sense that someone in a nonppr would have drafted him before the 5th, if you did I guess you got screwed. :mellow: sorry.

4th or 5th round in a ppr, though, is not a bad deal. It certainly is not worse than all of the other LEGIT 1st and 2nd round busts.

 
LittlePhatty said:
tim_whatley said:
I wouldn't be surprised to see Rice beak a long TD run this week.
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Yahoo just posted some interesting Ray Rice trivia:174 career touches (rushing and receiving combined)0 TDsWhat happens first?A) Lions win a game.B) Ray Rice scores.My money is on Rice.
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:goodposting: Noticed that Yahoo trivia as well and was going to post it.:discouraged Rice owner:
 
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