Barber and Jones likely to miss Sunday (1 Viewer)

[Johnny Ice]

The shark move here is to watch and see if Dallas activates the RB from the practice squad. If so, the Barber won't get material snaps.

I just got pretty strong word that the Cowboys will indeed be bringing up Chauncey Washington from the PS for this game. He will be activated on Sunday and play special teams, but more importantly they want his availablility if needed at RB should Barber come up lame. So no, Barber is nowhere near 100%. If Felix were healthy he'd probably sit again. Barber is coming back a week too soon.Between the two (Barber and Choice), Choice is the play here. I wouldn't think twice nor look back.

Even with the news Barber fully participated in practice w/o limitations and ready to go?

First, let's be sure we all understand the term "limitations" in the context of practice. Not suggesting you or anybody else don't but just want to be clear.In most cases, limitations are what is placed on a player by the team, not always so much an indication of a player's ability to complete a full practice. As an example, they might allow a player to participate in one particular portion of a practice but not another. If he were to be held out of and/or not take part in a particular drill or another (usually for precautionary reasons) he would thus be listed as "limited" in practice.In terms of practice itself, practices are essentially run at about 75% of what you would see in a game. So even practice can have it's limitations as far as a barometer goes.Switz made a reference to Barber's performance at the end of last season a few posts back in regards to the fact that you could clearly see that Barber wasn't the same, and I think that we'll see a similar Barber on Sunday.

I'm almost certain there is no way Barber is just going to step in and receive his normal load. I think at best he gets a 50-50 split. Choice is the play here.

 

[sparkky]

FWIW,

I just read on Rotoworld Dallas WILL call up rb Washington and cut a safety, White I think it was, to make room on the roster.

 

[Johnny Detroit]

The shark move here is to watch and see if Dallas activates the RB from the practice squad. If so, the Barber won't get material snaps.

I just got pretty strong word that the Cowboys will indeed be bringing up Chauncey Washington from the PS for this game. He will be activated on Sunday and play special teams, but more importantly they want his availablility if needed at RB should Barber come up lame. So no, Barber is nowhere near 100%. If Felix were healthy he'd probably sit again. Barber is coming back a week too soon.Between the two (Barber and Choice), Choice is the play here. I wouldn't think twice nor look back.

Even with the news Barber fully participated in practice w/o limitations and ready to go?

First, let's be sure we all understand the term "limitations" in the context of practice. Not suggesting you or anybody else don't but just want to be clear.In most cases, limitations are what is placed on a player by the team, not always so much an indication of a player's ability to complete a full practice. As an example, they might allow a player to participate in one particular portion of a practice but not another. If he were to be held out of and/or not take part in a particular drill or another (usually for precautionary reasons) he would thus be listed as "limited" in practice.In terms of practice itself, practices are essentially run at about 75% of what you would see in a game. So even practice can have it's limitations as far as a barometer goes.Switz made a reference to Barber's performance at the end of last season a few posts back in regards to the fact that you could clearly see that Barber wasn't the same, and I think that we'll see a similar Barber on Sunday.

I'm almost certain there is no way Barber is just going to step in and receive his normal load. I think at best he gets a 50-50 split. Choice is the play here.

2nd that. Thanks for the post. Small league I am in, but going to follow your lead.

 

[PDX Pain]

I'm starting Choice over Barber. It will be interesting to come back to this thread Sunday night.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Starting Barber over Choice in 3 leagues... I could see MB3 was limited all week, but hes been Full all week long and I don't think his injury was that bad. Choice will make a nice Flex Play as I see him getting about 35% of the snaps.

Washington was called up for mostly Returns and incase one of the RBs go down.

 

[jobarules]

Yeah its not that I dont trust the Cowboy "sources" but I just dont think I can start Choice over some other RBs on my roster (McFadden, McGahee) when Barber practiced in full all week and is listed as probable. I could very well be wrong.

 

[Andy Herron]

FWIW, I just read on Rotoworld Dallas WILL call up rb Washington and cut a safety, White I think it was, to make room on the roster.

This is correct. I just came here to post that.It's Marvin White that they are cutting.

 

[Andy Herron]

Only to provide confirmation:

October 03, 2009

Roster move

The Cowboys made their roster move today, promoting running back Chauncey Washington from the practice squad. He has worked on the special teams units all week and will be used as an emergency running back if Marion Barber's injured left quadriceps doesn't hold up for the entire game. Barber will start.

To get Washington on the 53-player roster, the Cowboys released safety Marvin White. But they could re-sign the former TCU standout on Monday if White clears waivers.

Washington was signed to the Cowboys' practice squad on Sept. 22. He has four career carries, all with Jacksonville last season.

-- Charean Williams

http://startelegramsports.typepad.com/cowb...oster-move.html

Such a move would not have been made if there were not questions regarding Barber's condition.

ETA: The deadline for such a move was 4pm EST/3pm CST today.

 

[morris4903]

Matt Mosley's source says Choice will get the majority of the work on Sunday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4528623

 

[Andy Herron]

Matt Mosley's source says Choice will get the majority of the work on Sunday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4528623

And I wouldn't doubt Matt one bit on that.

 

[Ridgelake]

I said it early in the week, its Clear As Day what Dallas is doing. Choice is the play this week. Anyone starting Barber will be sorely disappointed.

 

[morris4903]

Matt Mosley's source says Choice will get the majority of the work on Sunday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4528623

And I wouldn't doubt Matt one bit on that.

Yeah I figured with your info and this info that people have their answer on who to play. I have Choice and I think 20 touches is what is in store for tomorrow. 120 total yards and a touchdown is certainly possible. Good enough for me start. Thanks Andy.

 

[gnarboots11]

The choice is Choice.

 

[joetrow]

A possible 50/50 split going agianst the 7th ranked Denver run defense, I think the choice is neither.

 

[Andy Herron]

Matt Mosley's source says Choice will get the majority of the work on Sunday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4528623

And I wouldn't doubt Matt one bit on that. :whoosh:

Yeah I figured with your info and this info that people have their answer on who to play. I have Choice and I think 20 touches is what is in store for tomorrow. 120 total yards and a touchdown is certainly possible. Good enough for me start. Thanks Andy.

My pleasure.Just trying to do my part in helping keep FBGs and The Shark Pool in particular on the up and up. :whoosh:

 

[gnarboots11]

A possible 50/50 split going agianst the 7th ranked Denver run defense, I think the choice is neither.

pfft, 7th ranked rush defense. Big whoop. This Dallas run game fears no run defense, especially a statistically overrated 7th ranked Denver defense. They have already tore up better run defenses in the Giants.

 

[morris4903]

A possible 50/50 split going agianst the 7th ranked Denver run defense, I think the choice is neither.

7th ranked defense means nothing to me for two reasons. 1) Who they've played. 2) Cowboys are #1 in rushing the ball. As for the split, I would read the last few posts.

 

[steelwind]

Matt Mosley's source says Choice will get the majority of the work on Sunday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4528623

And I wouldn't doubt Matt one bit on that.

Yeah I figured with your info and this info that people have their answer on who to play. I have Choice and I think 20 touches is what is in store for tomorrow. 120 total yards and a touchdown is certainly possible. Good enough for me start. Thanks Andy.

Okay I want to mention this because it does consider some attention. If Choice gets majority of the carries, does that mean Barber is the goal line back? If that is the case, then Barber is a decent RB2.

 

[joetrow]

A possible 50/50 split going agianst the 7th ranked Denver run defense, I think the choice is neither.

7th ranked defense means nothing to me for two reasons. 1) Who they've played. 2) Cowboys are #1 in rushing the ball. As for the split, I would read the last few posts.

Allright, lets look at who the two teams have played. Dallas has had 3 easy weeks agianst rushing defensesTampa Bay: 31st ranked run defenseNYG: 20th ranked run defenseCarolina: 29th ranked run defenseDenver has had 3 weeks agianst 1 mid-tier running team and 2 poor running teamsCincinati: 14th ranked rushing offenseOakland: 20th ranked rushing offenseCleveland: 29th ranked rushing offenseI think its fair to say that both teams stats are inflated because of their oppenents thus far this year, but I also think its fair to say this is going to be the toughest run D that Dallas has played this year, and a possible 50/50 split could result in two usless FF back this week. Just my

 

[Andy Herron]

Matt Mosley's source says Choice will get the majority of the work on Sunday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4528623

And I wouldn't doubt Matt one bit on that.

Yeah I figured with your info and this info that people have their answer on who to play. I have Choice and I think 20 touches is what is in store for tomorrow. 120 total yards and a touchdown is certainly possible. Good enough for me start. Thanks Andy.

Okay I want to mention this because it does consider some attention. If Choice gets majority of the carries, does that mean Barber is the goal line back? If that is the case, then Barber is a decent RB2.

That's a fair question. However, Dallas has yet to show a propensity for relying solely on Barber for punching it in close. All three of them have clearly demonstrated the ability to do so. While I certainly don't want to discount what Barber may be able to produce in this game, he is also not looked upon as the "Bettis" of the Steelers just a few short years ago (2 carries, 4 yards, 2 TDs). There's no banking on that at all. Just sayin'.

 

[steelwind]

Matt Mosley's source says Choice will get the majority of the work on Sunday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4528623

And I wouldn't doubt Matt one bit on that.

Yeah I figured with your info and this info that people have their answer on who to play. I have Choice and I think 20 touches is what is in store for tomorrow. 120 total yards and a touchdown is certainly possible. Good enough for me start. Thanks Andy.

Okay I want to mention this because it does consider some attention. If Choice gets majority of the carries, does that mean Barber is the goal line back? If that is the case, then Barber is a decent RB2.

That's a fair question. However, Dallas has yet to show a propensity for relying solely on Barber for punching it in close. All three of them have clearly demonstrated the ability to do so. While I certainly don't want to discount what Barber may be able to produce in this game, he is also not looked upon as the "Bettis" of the Steelers just a few short years ago (2 carries, 4 yards, 2 TDs). There's no banking on that at all. Just sayin'.

Barber has 44 career TDs. This year when Barber has played, he has gotten over 90% of the goaline carries. So if he is active, is he going to get the goaline carries? That's the dilema.

 

[cvnpoka]

A possible 50/50 split going agianst the 7th ranked Denver run defense, I think the choice is neither.

7th ranked defense means nothing to me for two reasons. 1) Who they've played. 2) Cowboys are #1 in rushing the ball. As for the split, I would read the last few posts.

Allright, lets look at who the two teams have played. Dallas has had 3 easy weeks agianst rushing defensesTampa Bay: 31st ranked run defenseNYG: 20th ranked run defenseCarolina: 29th ranked run defenseDenver has had 3 weeks agianst 1 mid-tier running team and 2 poor running teamsCincinati: 14th ranked rushing offenseOakland: 20th ranked rushing offenseCleveland: 29th ranked rushing offenseI think its fair to say that both teams stats are inflated because of their oppenents thus far this year, but I also think its fair to say this is going to be the toughest run D that Dallas has played this year, and a possible 50/50 split could result in two usless FF back this week. Just my

theres only been 3 games. since dallas gashed those teams the numbers will be skewed towards a lower ranking. in other words, you are using the fact that dallas has been stellar on the ground, to dismiss their running game.now, using preseason predictions, last years rankings and this years performance, its reasonable to assume that tampa is gawdawful and carolina is average or worse. but new york? nah, new york is a damn good d and a damn good front line. gashing nyg as they did was a very impressive performance.

 

[cvnpoka]

That's a fair question. However, Dallas has yet to show a propensity for relying solely on Barber for punching it in close. All three of them have clearly demonstrated the ability to do so. While I certainly don't want to discount what Barber may be able to produce in this game, he is also not looked upon as the "Bettis" of the Steelers just a few short years ago (2 carries, 4 yards, 2 TDs). There's no banking on that at all. Just sayin'.

how reasonable to guess choice will be the workhorse (if effective) and barber will only be used on gl and short yardage? seems a good way to keep barber fresh and use him in his most effective and high leverage role.

 

[sparkky]

A possible 50/50 split going agianst the 7th ranked Denver run defense, I think the choice is neither.

7th ranked defense means nothing to me for two reasons. 1) Who they've played. 2) Cowboys are #1 in rushing the ball. As for the split, I would read the last few posts.

Allright, lets look at who the two teams have played. Dallas has had 3 easy weeks agianst rushing defensesTampa Bay: 31st ranked run defenseNYG: 20th ranked run defenseCarolina: 29th ranked run defenseDenver has had 3 weeks agianst 1 mid-tier running team and 2 poor running teamsCincinati: 14th ranked rushing offenseOakland: 20th ranked rushing offenseCleveland: 29th ranked rushing offenseI think its fair to say that both teams stats are inflated because of their oppenents thus far this year, but I also think its fair to say this is going to be the toughest run D that Dallas has played this year, and a possible 50/50 split could result in two usless FF back this week. Just my

I'll go a step further and say Denver will have to respect the passing game this week. against Cleveland and Oakland,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,nuff said about that.

 

[FrostBite]

Starting Barber over Choice in 3 leagues... I could see MB3 was limited all week, but hes been Full all week long and I don't think his injury was that bad. Choice will make a nice Flex Play as I see him getting about 35% of the snaps.Washington was called up for mostly Returns and incase one of the RBs go down.

Choice could be yours, if the price is right.

 

[joetrow]

A possible 50/50 split going agianst the 7th ranked Denver run defense, I think the choice is neither.

7th ranked defense means nothing to me for two reasons. 1) Who they've played. 2) Cowboys are #1 in rushing the ball. As for the split, I would read the last few posts.

Allright, lets look at who the two teams have played. Dallas has had 3 easy weeks agianst rushing defensesTampa Bay: 31st ranked run defenseNYG: 20th ranked run defenseCarolina: 29th ranked run defenseDenver has had 3 weeks agianst 1 mid-tier running team and 2 poor running teamsCincinati: 14th ranked rushing offenseOakland: 20th ranked rushing offenseCleveland: 29th ranked rushing offenseI think its fair to say that both teams stats are inflated because of their oppenents thus far this year, but I also think its fair to say this is going to be the toughest run D that Dallas has played this year, and a possible 50/50 split could result in two usless FF back this week. Just my <_<

theres only been 3 games. since dallas gashed those teams the numbers will be skewed towards a lower ranking. in other words, you are using the fact that dallas has been stellar on the ground, to dismiss their running game.now, using preseason predictions, last years rankings and this years performance, its reasonable to assume that tampa is gawdawful and carolina is average or worse. but new york? nah, new york is a damn good d and a damn good front line. gashing nyg as they did was a very impressive performance.

This works both ways, Denvers run defense has skewed the rush offense of Cinci, Oakland, and Cleveland. I think there are way to many variables in this situation, I could go on about the reason to expect less from Dallas rushing offense this game, as I'm sure somone could go on for reasons to expect Denver defense to get destroyed this week. I'll leave it at this, I think that Dallas rushing offense is missing more from Felix Jones being out then having Marian Barber out. I dont understand why someone would assume that Dallas will put up huge yards agianst a formadable Denver defense without Felix Jones adding his 7 rushes for 70.7 yards a game. Unless Dallas runs the rock an extra 10-15 times to componsate missing Felix, I expect a letdown for anyone thinking Dallas will put up anywhere close their average 200 yards rushing.

 

[joetrow]

A possible 50/50 split going agianst the 7th ranked Denver run defense, I think the choice is neither.

7th ranked defense means nothing to me for two reasons. 1) Who they've played. 2) Cowboys are #1 in rushing the ball. As for the split, I would read the last few posts.

MB3 11-41 and 1tdChoice 14-33Anyone with a new found respect for Denver run defense?

 

[switz]

A possible 50/50 split going agianst the 7th ranked Denver run defense, I think the choice is neither.

7th ranked defense means nothing to me for two reasons. 1) Who they've played. 2) Cowboys are #1 in rushing the ball. As for the split, I would read the last few posts.

MB3 11-41 and 1tdChoice 14-33Anyone with a new found respect for Denver run defense?

More like what an impact Jones has on the Cowboys running game than anything else. The two games they gave Jones @10 touches they go over 200 yards rushing. His impact is bigger than DENs D's.