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Barkley vs Henry (1 Viewer)

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Calling these 2 out as they are great talents and likely in best spots in a while to make the Super Bowl - plus they are only a couple spots apart in most rankings.

Who do you favor and why? Which is more likely to play with increased commitment - like through injury - to make a SB run?
 
I have Saquon as my RB4 in PPR, 1.09, and King Henry as RB8 2.04.

caveat - I’ve been adjusting my rankings to reflect the creatures of habit managers I’ve been playing with for 20 years. Even in our format, RB scarcity is often the first need they want fulfilled. After 2 rounds, 10-12 will be off the board…then 1-3 will go off the board in the following rounds.

I’m bullish on both this year, love both their situations. I have Barkley higher but probably have more confidence taking Henry.
 
Henry all day. He may lead the league in TDs. Nobody says that about Barkley.

He probably plays with increased commitment too as he is getting older and went to a team with Superbowl hopes.
 
What?
Henry has missed time with an injury once. Are you the first person on this earth to question his commitment?
 
I have Saquon as my RB4 in PPR, 1.09, and King Henry as RB8 2.04.

caveat - I’ve been adjusting my rankings to reflect the creatures of habit managers I’ve been playing with for 20 years. Even in our format, RB scarcity is often the first need they want fulfilled. After 2 rounds, 10-12 will be off the board…then 1-3 will go off the board in the following rounds.

I’m bullish on both this year, love both their situations. I have Barkley higher but probably have more confidence taking Henry.
I'm almost the exact opposite, with Henry at RB5 and Barkley at RB9.
 
I have Barkley as the RB5 and Henry as the RB8. (CMC, Hall, Bijan, JT)

They both have vulture QB.

Barkley is younger. Plays in an easier division, in theory. DAL, NYG, WAS vs PIT, CLE, CIN? Edge goes to Barkley. Plus overall schedule favors Barkley.

I am a bit worried about the work history of Henry. I do not doubt his commitment for a second. I have reservations regarding his immortality.

If healthy I could see a 20 TD season. I just don’t know if I want to take that chance. I’m on the Barkley side. I have them about 10 picks apart, with Barkley at 2.01 and Henry at 2.11

It’s an interesting question. And no doubt, Henry could make me & others eat our words. I just hesitate to take RB that long in the tooth that early.
 
I have Barkley as the RB5 and Henry as the RB8. (CMC, Hall, Bijan, JT)

They both have vulture QB.

Barkley is younger. Plays in an easier division, in theory. DAL, NYG, WAS vs PIT, CLE, CIN? Edge goes to Barkley. Plus overall schedule favors Barkley.

I am a bit worried about the work history of Henry. I do not doubt his commitment for a second. I have reservations regarding his immortality.

If healthy I could see a 20 TD season. I just don’t know if I want to take that chance. I’m on the Barkley side. I have them about 10 picks apart, with Barkley at 2.01 and Henry at 2.11

It’s an interesting question. And no doubt, Henry could make me & others eat our words. I just hesitate to take RB that long in the tooth that early.
I don't think its accurate to call Lamar a vulture QB. His TD's are almost never short yardage runs. In the last 2 years, Lamar only has 2 TDs from inside 5 yards. Hurts meanwhile, the last 2 years, has 22 TDs inside 5 yards.
 
I don't think its accurate to call Lamar a vulture QB. His TD's are almost never short yardage runs. In the last 2 years, Lamar only has 2 TDs from inside 5 yards. Hurts meanwhile, the last 2 years, has 22 TDs inside 5 yards.
A fair point. That said, I'd be willing to bet that number increases a whole lot from "inside the RZ" as opposed to "inside the 5". I consider RZ rushing TDs to be "short yardage" vulturing - perhaps I phrased that poorly.

That said, I also believe PHI brought in a RB partly because they recognize that eventually the tush push is gonna get hurts broken. So I expect Hurts short yardage TDs to decrease.

Of course that's all TBD. Just my gut feels.
 
I don't think its accurate to call Lamar a vulture QB. His TD's are almost never short yardage runs. In the last 2 years, Lamar only has 2 TDs from inside 5 yards. Hurts meanwhile, the last 2 years, has 22 TDs inside 5 yards.
A fair point. That said, I'd be willing to bet that number increases a whole lot from "inside the RZ" as opposed to "inside the 5". I consider RZ rushing TDs to be "short yardage" vulturing - perhaps I phrased that poorly.
I disagree with this; a QB who drops back to pass from the 15 yard line & scrambles for a TD isn't vulturing a RB's TD. He is maybe taking away a receiving TD opportunity, but that's not "vulturing" a rush TD, IMO.

In any event, the last 3 years, LJ has 4 rush TDs inside the 5, and 9 from inside the RZ. Hurts has 29 inside the 5, and 35 from the RZ. There is a huge difference in risk for these 2 RBs to lose TDs to their QB. Barkley's risk is WAY higher than Henry's.
 
I should have added eagles with a very easy schedule while Baltimore has one of the worst
The only thing that worries me about Henry’s schedule is if your league starts playoffs in week 14. One of mine does - thankfully not where I have Henry.
If anything, the ravens will rely more on Henry with tougher games.
 
Henry for sure. Barring injury, double digit TDs is a lock. With Barkley, you have to wonder if the tush push will take away a few of his short TDs. And he’s definitely more injury prone.
 
Another thing that makes Henry attractive is his ADP in the second round. The second round is so terrible this year, we have a whole other thread about it. He's the only one there I actually want to draft for the most part.
 
I think I'd rather have Henry. How many times would I have to watch Jalen Hurts vulture touchdowns repetitively before you get irritated? To Lamar Jackson's credit, he is non-selfish on the goal line and that offense is more run-centric in general.
 
I don't think its accurate to call Lamar a vulture QB. His TD's are almost never short yardage runs. In the last 2 years, Lamar only has 2 TDs from inside 5 yards. Hurts meanwhile, the last 2 years, has 22 TDs inside 5 yards.
A fair point. That said, I'd be willing to bet that number increases a whole lot from "inside the RZ" as opposed to "inside the 5". I consider RZ rushing TDs to be "short yardage" vulturing - perhaps I phrased that poorly.
I disagree with this; a QB who drops back to pass from the 15 yard line & scrambles for a TD isn't vulturing a RB's TD. He is maybe taking away a receiving TD opportunity, but that's not "vulturing" a rush TD, IMO.

In any event, the last 3 years, LJ has 4 rush TDs inside the 5, and 9 from inside the RZ. Hurts has 29 inside the 5, and 35 from the RZ. There is a huge difference in risk for these 2 RBs to lose TDs to their QB. Barkley's risk is WAY higher than Henry's.
Further, the Ravens scored 17 of their 26 rushing TDs last season from inside the five. Gonna be plenty of opportunity for Henry to eat...feast?...dine?...score touchdowns :shrug:
 
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I don't think its accurate to call Lamar a vulture QB. His TD's are almost never short yardage runs. In the last 2 years, Lamar only has 2 TDs from inside 5 yards. Hurts meanwhile, the last 2 years, has 22 TDs inside 5 yards.
A fair point. That said, I'd be willing to bet that number increases a whole lot from "inside the RZ" as opposed to "inside the 5". I consider RZ rushing TDs to be "short yardage" vulturing - perhaps I phrased that poorly.
I disagree with this; a QB who drops back to pass from the 15 yard line & scrambles for a TD isn't vulturing a RB's TD. He is maybe taking away a receiving TD opportunity, but that's not "vulturing" a rush TD, IMO.

In any event, the last 3 years, LJ has 4 rush TDs inside the 5, and 9 from inside the RZ. Hurts has 29 inside the 5, and 35 from the RZ. There is a huge difference in risk for these 2 RBs to lose TDs to their QB. Barkley's risk is WAY higher than Henry's.
Further, the Ravens scored 17 of their 26 rushing TDs last season from inside the five. Gonna be plenty of opportunity for Henry to eat.
Do we know if the Ravens plan “feature back” usage?

Or are they mixing in Hill, and when ready, Mitchell?

Just curious how everyone is projecting this backfield.
 
I don't think its accurate to call Lamar a vulture QB. His TD's are almost never short yardage runs. In the last 2 years, Lamar only has 2 TDs from inside 5 yards. Hurts meanwhile, the last 2 years, has 22 TDs inside 5 yards.
A fair point. That said, I'd be willing to bet that number increases a whole lot from "inside the RZ" as opposed to "inside the 5". I consider RZ rushing TDs to be "short yardage" vulturing - perhaps I phrased that poorly.
I disagree with this; a QB who drops back to pass from the 15 yard line & scrambles for a TD isn't vulturing a RB's TD. He is maybe taking away a receiving TD opportunity, but that's not "vulturing" a rush TD, IMO.

In any event, the last 3 years, LJ has 4 rush TDs inside the 5, and 9 from inside the RZ. Hurts has 29 inside the 5, and 35 from the RZ. There is a huge difference in risk for these 2 RBs to lose TDs to their QB. Barkley's risk is WAY higher than Henry's.
Further, the Ravens scored 17 of their 26 rushing TDs last season from inside the five. Gonna be plenty of opportunity for Henry to eat.
Do we know if the Ravens plan “feature back” usage?

Or are they mixing in Hill, and when ready, Mitchell?

Just curious how everyone is projecting this backfield.
I'm sure Hill and possibly Keaton Mitchell (if his recovery is going well) will factor in but I can't imagine Henry not being a true feature back.

I think the Ravens would prefer to keep him healthy and not overuse him. My guess is they hope to keep him around 15 carries/game but, when they actually hit the field on Sundays that plan can easily go out the window and he'll see more than that.
 
I don't think its accurate to call Lamar a vulture QB. His TD's are almost never short yardage runs. In the last 2 years, Lamar only has 2 TDs from inside 5 yards. Hurts meanwhile, the last 2 years, has 22 TDs inside 5 yards.
A fair point. That said, I'd be willing to bet that number increases a whole lot from "inside the RZ" as opposed to "inside the 5". I consider RZ rushing TDs to be "short yardage" vulturing - perhaps I phrased that poorly.
I disagree with this; a QB who drops back to pass from the 15 yard line & scrambles for a TD isn't vulturing a RB's TD. He is maybe taking away a receiving TD opportunity, but that's not "vulturing" a rush TD, IMO.

In any event, the last 3 years, LJ has 4 rush TDs inside the 5, and 9 from inside the RZ. Hurts has 29 inside the 5, and 35 from the RZ. There is a huge difference in risk for these 2 RBs to lose TDs to their QB. Barkley's risk is WAY higher than Henry's.
Further, the Ravens scored 17 of their 26 rushing TDs last season from inside the five. Gonna be plenty of opportunity for Henry to eat.
Do we know if the Ravens plan “feature back” usage?

Or are they mixing in Hill, and when ready, Mitchell?

Just curious how everyone is projecting this backfield.
I think Henry finishes in the top-3 in carries. I don't see Hill or Mitchell as anything more than breather guys. Maybe Mitchell can be more than that, but if he is its not gonna be until late in the season.

Henry had 280 carries last season, that seems like a fair over/under to me.
 
I don't think its accurate to call Lamar a vulture QB. His TD's are almost never short yardage runs. In the last 2 years, Lamar only has 2 TDs from inside 5 yards. Hurts meanwhile, the last 2 years, has 22 TDs inside 5 yards.
A fair point. That said, I'd be willing to bet that number increases a whole lot from "inside the RZ" as opposed to "inside the 5". I consider RZ rushing TDs to be "short yardage" vulturing - perhaps I phrased that poorly.
I disagree with this; a QB who drops back to pass from the 15 yard line & scrambles for a TD isn't vulturing a RB's TD. He is maybe taking away a receiving TD opportunity, but that's not "vulturing" a rush TD, IMO.

In any event, the last 3 years, LJ has 4 rush TDs inside the 5, and 9 from inside the RZ. Hurts has 29 inside the 5, and 35 from the RZ. There is a huge difference in risk for these 2 RBs to lose TDs to their QB. Barkley's risk is WAY higher than Henry's.
Further, the Ravens scored 17 of their 26 rushing TDs last season from inside the five. Gonna be plenty of opportunity for Henry to eat...feast?...dine?...score touchdowns :shrug:

Atta boy
 
I don't see Hill or Mitchell as anything more than breather guys
Listening to Harbaugh he definitely sees hill as more than just a breather guy.
Well, he's had 4 years to prove he's more and hasn't. Now he has a potential HOFer instead of middling competition. I see Hill/Mitchell as a smaller threat than Gainwell/Shipley. Not that Henry or Barkley are gonna be starved for work. I'd be shocked if either had fewer than 250 carries.
 
Barkley back at practice today. Pretty short absence, so I'm guessing the "injury" is just pre-season load management.

Thank goodness - I took him at 2.01 in a high stakes draft last night.
 
I really wanted one of these guys with my 2.07 pick but both gone. Heck he was taken 1.04. First round RBs in my 12 team redraft non-PPR including CMC, Bijan, Breece, Barkley, Henry, J Taylor. At #6 I took J Jefferson. Had to. Best buddy here is a huge Vikings fan and I watch them every week at his house with a group of Vikes fans.
 
Well I could be way wrong on Barkley. Didn’t matter, as he went 4 picks before me. Ahead of Lamb/Hill in our draft. The main reason for my skepticism was Hurts tush push. If that’s not going to be a staple this year then Barkley could be a league winner.
 
Traded Barkley for Henry + prior to week 1 to help fill out the roster. Didn’t think of it as a massive downgrade to my RB spot in auction.

Welp, like two ships passing in the night after week 1. The gap should be a little closer but this is definitely a league losing trade so far!
 

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