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DETROIT -- Barry Sanders, one of football's smoothest backs, admits the way he left the Detroit Lions was awkward.During his first news conference since his shocking retirement on the eve of training camp in 1999, Sanders said Tuesday, "The way it was done may have been a little clumsy."Sanders announced his retirement through a written statement released by his hometown newspaper, The Wichita Eagle."Even had I retired in a more-graceful way, it still would've been taken the wrong way by a lot of people because I retired after 10 years," Sanders said. "The issue was not how I retired, but when I retired."Sanders did say he should have returned calls from former Lions coach Bobby Ross, who tried unsuccessfully to contact him before the 1999 season."It was probably good that I did the book, because I'm not sure when or if something like this would've occurred," Sanders said of his talk with reporters. "I know that's not good for me to say, but I can't think of any other scenario where something like this would've happened."In a certain sense, it does lift a burden and I think it's significant that it happened."
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Yea whatever. He is just trying to sell his stinking book. :thumbdown: Add another loss to his record of most carries for a loss. :thumbdown: Where is the apology to his fans? Where is the apology to his teamates?
"The way it was done may have been a little clumsy."
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His book is coming out right around the same time as his induction to the HOF. Now the guy is doing press conferences, covering them up say he can allegedly work with the Lions in the community?Clumsy? No 5hit? Really? :thumbdown: :hot: :thumbdown: All this crap he is doing now takes everything away from the alleged class he received from not celebrating after a touchdown. He should have celebrated more, as little as he actually scored.
 
At least he is admitting his mistake. Many athletes just try to make excuses.Give me a humble Barry over a showboating Emmitt any day.

 
What's this?He retired when he wanted to?Good thing the rest of us working stiffs can't decide when we want to retire.Oh wait, we can.Nevermind.Boot.

 
Sanders was an incredible running back, and everybody says he was a 'classy' guy off the field.However, they fail to bring up his two holdouts, the fact that he retired without forewarning the organization (so they could plan on moving on without him) and the fact that he made the Lions take him to court to reclaim a bonus he received from them when he signed his last contract. Then upon losing, he paid the bonus back ONE YEAR at a time.So I don't know why anybody is surprised that he's in the public eye just now.... it's all about money in his pocket.

 
I've seen parts from the book, and one blurb says he retired mainly because he had such tremendous respect for Sweetness, he didn't want to break his record. He just couldn't bring himself to do it. Myself, having the chance to meet and talk with Barry on several occasions, and having the opportunity to watch him live many times, can say that he is a better man than a RB. I agree the way it worked out was awkward, and disappointing for us fans, but everything he gave us for those 10 years was something special. This fan will always hold Barry in high regard. :thumbup: btw quiter is spelled quitter. :confused:

 
Great skills but very strange way of doing business. I just do not know if it was his agent all along but dropping out in his prime is just not a player I would consider for the Hall of Fame. He is just doing it all for the money- but that is OK with these new sporting fans... :thumbdown:

 
dropping out in his prime is just not a player I would consider for the Hall of Fame
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Yeah I prefer the guys that hang on just so they can get a record and pad their stats. wtf :wacko: At the risk of sounding like an apologist, I think Sanders is more guilty of being naive/stupid in dealing with situations or people than being "un-classy." For one, holdouts are IMO a shaky/debatable example - they're painfully common and not always the fault of the player (ie if an owner is low-balling them etc). In fact, I remember E Smith's holdout the year they went 0-2 before he signed and they won the title - from what I recall, it was JJ being an #### and not him. Bruce Smith (although he is an ####) also got screwed by BUF. So Sanders, not knowing anything about the biz, probably just naively let his agent take care of things and said let me know when it's resolved. Dumb move, but I don't think it was like "well if they're not going to pay me to be the highest paid RB (or whatever) then I'm not reporting." The retirement was stupid as far as his timing, but not itself so unclassy IMO. Not contacting Coach Ross, however was.Whatever - being one of the best players of his day (in fact ever) yet never hot-dogging, whining, busted for drugs, beating up women, shootings, etc etc and ad nauseum like so many other dirtbag thugs (see: Owens, Moss, Carruth, etc etc etc) still puts him far above most players in the class dept IMO.
 
Watching emmitt the last couple of years is painful, I wished he would have followed Barrys lead!

 
but dropping out in his prime is just not a player I would consider for the Hall of Fame.
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Yea man, Jim Brown is horrible and should not be in the HOF. And I LOVE Bruce Smith, he should be a 1st ballot guy, I mean the way he plays every sunday and doesnt moan about PT - man his sack record will be an untouchable and well respected accomplishment for ages . . . Also, correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't Barry have broken Walter's record within a year of Walter's death?? I remember feeling that it just wouldn't seem right after all Walter had been through - Emmitt should have let it stand as well - these last 2 seasons of his were garbage . . .
 
This is a bit off topic, but Bruce Smith's 'all-time' sack record is only from 1982 on. That stat wasn't kept before then.Talk about hanging on longer than you should. . .Barry's a HOFer. His retirement was one of the strangest in history. Robert Smith retired early, apparently still in his prime. Some guys just want to walk away and live regular lives.

 
I always thought it was the Lions who had quit on Barry for 10 years, and that he finally just recognized it. I mean my God, having to waste your career under the Wayne Fonts regime. I was surprised he had the heart to continue for as long as he did.

 
Sanders seems like a tough guy to understand. I don't think I would feel comfortable dropping tons of negative comments on him without getting a chance to know him. I feel fairly confident in my opinions of guys like Bill Romanowski :thumbdown: , Keyshawn Johnson :thumbdown: , and Donovan McNabb :thumbup: , but I find it difficult for anyone to say they have a real grasp on Sanders at all.

 
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URBAN LEGEND: Jim Brown and Barry Sanders retired in their primes. FACT: Both men retired at age 30. 30 has proven to be OLD for an RB. Its fairer to say they "left them wanting more". Its HIGHLY likely their best years were behind them when they quit playing, however.

 
I see that you guys defend Barry Sanders left and right but he did not win a damn thing in all his great days in Detroit. Either that or you get a woodie watching the guy dance around in the backfield or having one of his stop and go moves. Great stats and I can understand some day he deserves consideration but like you said Big Red- his merit IS on his padded stats. He contributed nothing else to this game- no championships and no respect as he left this team and the fans standing at the alter- a big baby.Jim Brown? Hmmmmm I guess we have to start the comparison game but Jim Brown played in a different era than Barry Sanders did. He was rougher than Sanders and he played in the game when it was chock full of nastiness. Sure the players are bigger and faster now but the refs protect the players now and hell- they even have better equipmenet. They have better medical advancements as well as I am sure that if Gale Sayers played in this era he would have come back from that knee injury to become a decent player. Plus, Jim Brown played in the elements. Nasty elements while barry played on the indoor carpet for a very good percentage of his career. While Sanders WAS a talented back there is nothing here but stats. Some quality stats but that was about it. Brown defined the RB position like the great Gale Sayers did and while he left the game on the field he is still a part of football by working with the players and within the community- his AMER-I-CAN program is growing stronger. Plus, Brown was in two championship games and enjoyed a championship season unlike Mr. Sanders who at least made it to a championship game. His move to make movies was a move he made to live a dream. Barry Sanders just flat out quit and faded out only to surface now to pimp his new book. His career was very solid but the guy left the game because he could not have things his way. Either that or all you defenders have the reason. As far as Walter Payton goes- Barry never eclipsed the record like Smith did. I give huge marks to Smith and Payton in this era but a guy like Sanders just quit without no explanation burning the Lions and the fans but you know that you love the stats and someday he will get to the Hall but he is not worthy of the Hall in my book. Besides, this current class has men of football greatness that belong more than Barry does. You know he will be inducted but will he even show? And what type of day will that be?

 
Sanders was an incredible running back, and everybody says he was a 'classy' guy off the field.However, they fail to bring up his two holdouts, the fact that he retired without forewarning the organization (so they could plan on moving on without him) and the fact that he made the Lions take him to court to reclaim a bonus he received from them when he signed his last contract. Then upon losing, he paid the bonus back ONE YEAR at a time.So I don't know why anybody is surprised that he's in the public eye just now.... it's all about money in his pocket.
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So I guess he ranks right behind Hitler and Stalin and right ahead of Osama Bin Laden on the "all time least classiest people in history" rankings?What next... he didn't sign some kids autograph after a game once. :rolleyes: Holding out and retiring without warning = classless. That is laughable. Barry Sanders warned that organization 1,000 times that if they didn't take a few steps towards putting together a competitive team or at least giving him the chance to move to a competitive organization that he was going to just call it quits. As far as holding out... welcome to Earth, it is part of the game. Heck, nowadays, veterans normally hold out just so they don't have to go through the rigors of training camp. You took a few articles from a few papers and formulated an entire perception of the life of a person you have never met. You do not know the whole story, and you have no idea what you are talking about. Barry Sanders is considered a "classy" individual because despite the 3 ridiculous incidents you brought up... there are 10,000 examples of him being a first rate, class act human being.
 
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Barry Sanders just flat out quit and faded out only to surface now to pimp his new book. His career was very solid but the guy left the game because he could not have things his way. Either that or all you defenders have the reason.
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Jesus, is that what most Detroit fans think of Barry? The guy basically wasted 10 years of his life running his ### off for a team that sucked, and an organization that didn't care about winning. I don't blame him for walking away at all. I saw a package on ESPN about Barry this year; it aired around the preseason. After watching him speaking with the reporter, I realized that he is probably one of the more reserved and low-key guys that has ever played in the NFL. He's a quality individual whom I have a ton of respect for, and there will never be another running back like him.

 
I see that you guys defend Barry Sanders left and right but he did not win a damn thing in all his great days in Detroit. Either that or you get a woodie watching the guy dance around in the backfield or having one of his stop and go moves. Great stats and I can understand some day he deserves consideration but like you said Big Red- his merit IS on his padded stats. He contributed nothing else to this game- no championships and no respect as he left this team and the fans standing at the alter- a big baby.Jim Brown? Hmmmmm I guess we have to start the comparison game but Jim Brown played in a different era than Barry Sanders did. He was rougher than Sanders and he played in the game when it was chock full of nastiness. Sure the players are bigger and faster now but the refs protect the players now and hell- they even have better equipmenet. They have better medical advancements as well as I am sure that if Gale Sayers played in this era he would have come back from that knee injury to become a decent player. Plus, Jim Brown played in the elements. Nasty elements while barry played on the indoor carpet for a very good percentage of his career. While Sanders WAS a talented back there is nothing here but stats. Some quality stats but that was about it. Brown defined the RB position like the great Gale Sayers did and while he left the game on the field he is still a part of football by working with the players and within the community- his AMER-I-CAN program is growing stronger. Plus, Brown was in two championship games and enjoyed a championship season unlike Mr. Sanders who at least made it to a championship game. His move to make movies was a move he made to live a dream. Barry Sanders just flat out quit and faded out only to surface now to pimp his new book. His career was very solid but the guy left the game because he could not have things his way. Either that or all you defenders have the reason. As far as Walter Payton goes- Barry never eclipsed the record like Smith did. I give huge marks to Smith and Payton in this era but a guy like Sanders just quit without no explanation burning the Lions and the fans but you know that you love the stats and someday he will get to the Hall but he is not worthy of the Hall in my book. Besides, this current class has men of football greatness that belong more than Barry does. You know he will be inducted but will he even show? And what type of day will that be?
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The list of hall of famers and greatest football players of all-time that never won anything is so long, FBGs.com would have to upgrade their memory to give us room to list them all.
 
I see that you guys defend Barry Sanders left and right but he did not win a damn thing in all his great days in Detroit. Plus, Brown was in two championship games and enjoyed a championship season unlike Mr. Sanders who at least made it to a championship game.
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That bum Marino didn't win anything either. Keep him out too. Trent Dilfer belongs ahead of both of them, since he HAS A RING. :wall:
 
I see that you guys defend Barry Sanders left and right but he did not win a damn thing in all his great days in Detroit. Either that or you get a woodie watching the guy dance around in the backfield or having one of his stop and go moves. Great stats and I can understand some day he deserves consideration but like you said Big Red- his merit IS on his padded stats. He contributed nothing else to this game- no championships and no respect as he left this team and the fans standing at the alter- a big baby.Jim Brown? Hmmmmm I guess we have to start the comparison game but Jim Brown played in a different era than Barry Sanders did. He was rougher than Sanders and he played in the game when it was chock full of nastiness. Sure the players are bigger and faster now but the refs protect the players now and hell- they even have better equipmenet. They have better medical advancements as well as I am sure that if Gale Sayers played in this era he would have come back from that knee injury to become a decent player. Plus, Jim Brown played in the elements. Nasty elements while barry played on the indoor carpet for a very good percentage of his career. While Sanders WAS a talented back there is nothing here but stats. Some quality stats but that was about it. Brown defined the RB position like the great Gale Sayers did and while he left the game on the field he is still a part of football by working with the players and within the community- his AMER-I-CAN program is growing stronger. Plus, Brown was in two championship games and enjoyed a championship season unlike Mr. Sanders who at least made it to a championship game. His move to make movies was a move he made to live a dream. Barry Sanders just flat out quit and faded out only to surface now to pimp his new book. His career was very solid but the guy left the game because he could not have things his way. Either that or all you defenders have the reason. As far as Walter Payton goes- Barry never eclipsed the record like Smith did. I give huge marks to Smith and Payton in this era but a guy like Sanders just quit without no explanation burning the Lions and the fans but you know that you love the stats and someday he will get to the Hall but he is not worthy of the Hall in my book. Besides, this current class has men of football greatness that belong more than Barry does. You know he will be inducted but will he even show? And what type of day will that be?
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I'm sorry but this entire post was just dumb. No less than 5 of the points you made were either untrue, illogical, or plain stupid.
 
Screw Barry Sanders I'm gonna go read LT's book instead. At least LT will use my money on prostitution and drugs.

 
Power Monster wrote:

Jesus, is that what most Detroit fans think of Barry? The guy basically wasted 10 years of his life running his ### off for a team that sucked, and an organization that didn't care about winning. I don't blame him for walking away at all.

I saw a package on ESPN about Barry this year; it aired around the preseason. After watching him speaking with the reporter, I realized that he is probably one of the more reserved and low-key guys that has ever played in the NFL. He's a quality individual whom I have a ton of respect for, and there will never be another running back like him.
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Hey Walter Payton played on some very lame teams as well but he never quit. Heck, a whole slew of great NFL players had to endure playing on bad NFL teams their entire careers so what makes this guy so special?
 
I see that you guys defend Barry Sanders left and right but he did not win a damn thing in all his great days in Detroit. Either that or you get a woodie watching the guy dance around in the backfield or having one of his stop and go moves. Great stats and I can understand some day he deserves consideration but like you said Big Red- his merit IS on his padded stats. He contributed nothing else to this game- no championships and no respect as he left this team and the fans standing at the alter- a big baby.Jim Brown? Hmmmmm I guess we have to start the comparison game but Jim Brown played in a different era than Barry Sanders did. He was rougher than Sanders and he played in the game when it was chock full of nastiness. Sure the players are bigger and faster now but the refs protect the players now and hell- they even have better equipmenet. They have better medical advancements as well as I am sure that if Gale Sayers played in this era he would have come back from that knee injury to become a decent player. Plus, Jim Brown played in the elements. Nasty elements while barry played on the indoor carpet for a very good percentage of his career. While Sanders WAS a talented back there is nothing here but stats. Some quality stats but that was about it. Brown defined the RB position like the great Gale Sayers did and while he left the game on the field he is still a part of football by working with the players and within the community- his AMER-I-CAN program is growing stronger. Plus, Brown was in two championship games and enjoyed a championship season unlike Mr. Sanders who at least made it to a championship game. His move to make movies was a move he made to live a dream. Barry Sanders just flat out quit and faded out only to surface now to pimp his new book. His career was very solid but the guy left the game because he could not have things his way. Either that or all you defenders have the reason. As far as Walter Payton goes- Barry never eclipsed the record like Smith did. I give huge marks to Smith and Payton in this era but a guy like Sanders just quit without no explanation burning the Lions and the fans but you know that you love the stats and someday he will get to the Hall but he is not worthy of the Hall in my book. Besides, this current class has men of football greatness that belong more than Barry does. You know he will be inducted but will he even show? And what type of day will that be?
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I'm sorry but this entire post was just dumb. No less than 5 of the points you made were either untrue, illogical, or plain stupid.
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It sems easy to just point it out as just dumb but hey if you cannot defend your point what does that say about your post? At least have the balls to defens your point- :thumbdown:
 
That bum Marino didn't win anything either. Keep him out too. Trent Dilfer belongs ahead of both of them, since he HAS A RING. :wall:
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Last I checked Marino never quit in his prime and Trent Dilfer is still playing so what is your point? Shall we start the merit of consideration game now?
 
Last I checked Marino never quit in his prime and Trent Dilfer is still playing so what is your point? Shall we start the merit of consideration game now?
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You are the one who brought up "didn't win anything". Try again.
 
"Quitter" or "quiter". Whatever. Few running backs have ever been "quieter"...

Titans2003 sez:

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And I sez: Some guys just want to be able to walk and live regular lives after their NFL careers. GB him for leaving the game without needing artificial knees.Bottom Line: Barry doesn't owe his fans a thing. Real Lions fans know they were fortunate to have him around at all, considering the dearth of (player/coaching/ownership) talent which surrounded him. I probably won't buy his book, but I will toast his (eventual/inevitable/deserved) induction into the HOF.

 
All I have to say is thank you Barry Sanders for I feel greatful to have seen the greatest RB of my era or maybe ever... and I'm a bears fan.LOL @ the tools doubting his HOF credentials! :rotflmao:

 
All I have to say is thank you Barry Sanders for I feel greatful to have seen the greatest RB of my era or maybe ever... and I'm a bears fan.LOL @ the tools doubting his HOF credentials! :rotflmao:
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LOL at guys that think they are BEARS fans that call him the greatest. Try that arguement in any bar in Chicago my friend. Or better yet try that one in Soldier Field on Sunday afternoon...
 
If Sanders danced behind the line and never brought winning to Detroit, then why are you Sanders haters sorry that he retired? It gave you a chance to bring in a "winning team", right?HERD

 
Great comeback.
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I guess that a guy can quit in his prime over money and a contract, leave his team high and dry over money and his contract, leave the game as probably the best RB in his era or close to it over money and a contract, forgo the chance at winning a Super Bowl over money and a contract, forgo the chance to demolish most RB records over money and a contract but he still is considered a great HOF player.I just will not get it or conceed it. He quit over money and a contract my friend and for that he is nothing more than a talented player that quit but some people admire quitters and guys that go out over money. One thing is certain, there are players and fans that love the NFL for the glory of winning and not whining. The glory of competing and not moping around belly-aching about his team and the city he plays for. If Barry left for these reasons he should have known where and when to pick his battles over coaches, teammates and ownership.The bottom line says he just did not get his way and that is a selfish quitter but make your bust and send him to the HOF- like I said the new breed of sports fans just get all caught up in the drama but the winning and the glory of competing and team loyalty takes a hike. Too much Berman and SportsCenter! Look at Corey Dillon-he was about to make the same mistake but the guy knows better because trail blazers like Barry Sanders taught him that if he just does not know his role on the team and wants to cry about it he will be on a losing team or out of the NFL...
 
All I have to say is thank you Barry Sanders for I feel greatful to have seen the greatest RB of my era or maybe ever... and I'm a bears fan.LOL @ the tools doubting his HOF credentials! :rotflmao:
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LOL at guys that think they are BEARS fans that call him the greatest. Try that arguement in any bar in Chicago my friend. Or better yet try that one in Soldier Field on Sunday afternoon...
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All teams have blind homers,I call it how I see it. :yes: It's pretty funny that I must not be a real bears fan b/c I believe Walter Payton to be the second best back ever. If you want to diss Sanders for quitting,no prob,he did and I don't approve how he left.IMO Sanders was the best pure runner in the nfl ever,but it makes me wonder how much you really know about football if you are seriously doubting his HOF credentials.
 
I'm amazed at how some people act like Barry owes them a personal apology. No one is saying he didn't handle his retirement the best way - not even Barry himself. But I think it's laughable to even debate whether he deserves a spot in the HOF. The only thing threads like this tell me is which posters have no credibility. Some people just have to criticize something. Barry Sanders has given them so little to attack during his awesome career that they're only left with his ending it.I wish every team had a player like him.

 
All I have to say is thank you Barry Sanders for I feel greatful to have seen the greatest RB of my era or maybe ever... and I'm a bears fan.LOL @ the tools doubting his HOF credentials! :rotflmao:
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LOL at guys that think they are BEARS fans that call him the greatest. Try that arguement in any bar in Chicago my friend. Or better yet try that one in Soldier Field on Sunday afternoon...
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All teams have blind homers,I call it how I see it. :yes: It's pretty funny that I must not be a real bears fan b/c I believe Walter Payton to be the second best back ever. If you want to diss Sanders for quitting,no prob,he did and I don't approve how he left.IMO Sanders was the best pure runner in the nfl ever,but it makes me wonder how much you really know about football if you are seriously doubting his HOF credentials.
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Ahhhh yes now we turn it into a personal thing. What- you want to have a contest over who knows more about the NFL? It is always just a matter of time when an attempt over a debate turns into this crap. However, Walter Payton taking second seat to any RB is a personal choice when debating Jim Brown or Emmitt Smith but not the quitter. Was the quitter there thru all the tough years only to hang on and help his team win a Super Bowl? Was the quitter there to pick up the blocks on blitz packages? Did the quitter throw TD passes? Did the quitter do anything for the community? Did the quitter know his role on the team? Did the quitter ever break Walter's rushing record? Did the quitter play in every NFL game? Is the quitter respected by every fan in his hometown like Walter is?Like I said, take your talk out to the blue collar fans in a Chicago bar or out in the lot at a tailgate. Easy to spout your NFL acumen here but you and I know what will happen to you when you take this nonsense to the street...
 
I'm amazed at how some people act like Barry owes them a personal apology. No one is saying he didn't handle his retirement the best way - not even Barry himself. But I think it's laughable to even debate whether he deserves a spot in the HOF. The only thing threads like this tell me is which posters have no credibility. Some people just have to criticize something. Barry Sanders has given them so little to attack during his awesome career that they're only left with his ending it.I wish every team had a player like him.
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Yes you know credibility being how you have to watch a team of quitters like your glorious Bucs. Stay hot Buc boy!
 
Owners have been screwing players out of money for YEARS, terminating contracts because it suits them and cutting guys without notice, etc. I think fans have a right to feel however they want, but the Sanders situation gets my goat....WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL? He retired! He didn't want to play anymore for your crappy team. Guys can't win football games on their own - Elway couldn't win the big one without TD for example. For you or anyone to think that Barry Sanders owes you ANYTHING is hysterical. Here's what he owes you...A MIDDLE FINGER IN RESPONSE TO YOU BEING SO ARROGANT AS TO THINK BARRY SANDERS IS BEHOLDEN TO YOU AT ALL. Be thankful one of the greatest players ever is going into the Hall as Lion....HERD

 
Owners have been screwing players out of money for YEARS, terminating contracts because it suits them and cutting guys without notice, etc. I think fans have a right to feel however they want, but the Sanders situation gets my goat....WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL? He retired! He didn't want to play anymore for your crappy team. Guys can't win football games on their own - Elway couldn't win the big one without TD for example. For you or anyone to think that Barry Sanders owes you ANYTHING is hysterical. Here's what he owes you...A MIDDLE FINGER IN RESPONSE TO YOU BEING SO ARROGANT AS TO THINK BARRY SANDERS IS BEHOLDEN TO YOU AT ALL. Be thankful one of the greatest players ever is going into the Hall as Lion....HERD
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You talking to me?
 
Owners have been screwing players out of money for YEARS, terminating contracts because it suits them and cutting guys without notice, etc. I think fans have a right to feel however they want, but the Sanders situation gets my goat....WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL? He retired! He didn't want to play anymore for your crappy team. Guys can't win football games on their own - Elway couldn't win the big one without TD for example. For you or anyone to think that Barry Sanders owes you ANYTHING is hysterical. Here's what he owes you...A MIDDLE FINGER IN RESPONSE TO YOU BEING SO ARROGANT AS TO THINK BARRY SANDERS IS BEHOLDEN TO YOU AT ALL. Be thankful one of the greatest players ever is going into the Hall as Lion....HERD
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However, Walter Payton taking second seat to any RB is a personal choice when debating Jim Brown or Emmitt Smith but not the quitter.
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So is your opinion that he is not worthy of the HOF b/c he quit.That's your opinion and that's fine.But the fact is he put up HOF numbers. Can you admit that?
 
Thank you for proving my point so quickly.
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You have no point like the rest of the fools that line up in threads like this to just rip someone that has a different opinion. If someone disagrees you point fingers and call out credibility but at least I know that the other guys that dislike me ripping their boy have the balls to make a counterpoint. Guys like you add nothing and you are supposed to be a shark? You are soft just like that Buc interior line... :thumbup:
 
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