**** Baseball Hall of Fame Thread **** - 2025 Ballots Released (1 Viewer)

[Don Quixote]

Thought I’d bump with 2024 voting underway… newcomers include Beltre, Mauer, and Utley.

Todd Helton and Billy Wagner among those close last time.

Also, Contemporary Era Committee selections will be announced on 12/3. Lots of managers that are nominees: Cito Gaston, Davey Johnson, Jim Leyland, and Lou Piniella. Also some executives and umpires.

Contemporary Baseball Era Committee candidates announced | Baseball Hall of Fame

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[Bogart]

Beltre is a no brainer, but I'm sure the "not the first year" guys will see things differently.

 

[Don Quixote]

Beltre being up reminded me of this thread. I voted no, but did comment that would change if had five more great years (which he did).

(I also predicted Rolen would never get anywhere close to the Hall, which did not hold up well.)

Adrian Beltre

I was shocked to hear that Beltre - who is just 32 - already has 2000 hits. He also has 299 home runs. Obviously his 2004 season is the outlier, but its certainly conceivable that Beltre could go 3000/400 for his career as a 3B - with only one truly great season.

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[Eephus]

Congrats to Jim Leyland. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

 

[guru_007]

Beltre, A.Jones, Sheffield and Wagner for me.
Coors effect for me is too vote for Helton. Career at Coors, 0.345 ave, 1.048 ops 227 hr's 859 rbi's, career away 0.287, 0.855, 142, 547. Dramatic difference. He was a below average defender and his career oWAR 54.5 is just so-so considering this home field advantage as just a hitter. Still higher than Baines I suppose.
Mauer should get in, just not a first ballot guy imho and that does come into effect.
ManRam and Arod are still both on the ballots and I would vote for both of them as well now that I'm looking at it.

 

[Don Quixote]

Latest update from the tracker so far.

https://x.com/notmrtibbs/status/1742312173316272510?s=46&t=E_-9z4f2KOjMph1q2ukqpw

With 105 ballots revealed/~27.3% known:

Beltré - 98.1%
Helton - 82.9%
Mauer - 82.9%
Wagner - 80.0%
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Sheffield - 73.3%
Beltrán - 64.8%
Jones - 64.8%
Utley - 44.8%
A-Rod - 43.8%
Ramírez - 41.0%
Abreu - 20.0%
Pettitte - 14.3%
Rollins - 12.4%
Vizquel - 12.4%
Buehrle - 8.6%
K-Rod - 7.6%
Wright - 6.7%
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Hunter - 1.9%
Bautista - 1.0%
Colón - 1.0%
Holliday - 1.0%

 

[Don Quixote]

Results tonight. Based on the latest Tracker, Beltre, Mauer, Helton, and Wagner above the 75%. But tracker usually is a bit high because those who publicly release ballots tend to have more names on their ballots.

https://x.com/notmrtibbs/status/1749830357120389553?s=61&t=H_x9QHHtveqmaMK5HnP2AA

 

[Don Quixote]

Announcement live now.

No Wagner (fell just short at 73.8%). Just Beltre, Mauer, and Helton this year.

Beltré, Helton, Mauer elected to Hall of Fame by BBWAA | Baseball Hall of Fame

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[PIK95]

So mad right now. Especially because I think Beltre juiced. I really need to stop caring about this stuff. It really is a joke.

 

[Kraft...]

Beltre was an all star 4 times in his career, this is what the HOF has become

 

[Eephus]

Congratulations to the three new members.

The voting process is ridiculous but Beltre, Helton and Mauer all have HOF-worthy resumes.

 

[PIK95]

Beltre was an all star 4 times in his career, this is what the HOF has become

I'm furious over Wagner. Dudes twelve bad post season inning keep him out? He was the best LHP of the last hundred years when you look at advanced metrics. And I'm still mad Baines is in while Dewey, Lou Whitaker, and **** Allen are not for example. Even Dave Parker should be in over Baines. The writers who vote mostly don't deserve to imo.

 

[Eephus]

Beltre was an all star 4 times in his career, this is what the HOF has become

I'm furious over Wagner. Dudes twelve bad post season inning keep him out? He was the best LHP of the last hundred years when you look at advanced metrics. And I'm still mad Baines is in while Dewey, Lou Whitaker, and **** Allen are not for example. Even Dave Parker should be in over Baines. The writers who vote mostly don't deserve to imo.

Baines got in via a veterans committee

 

[PIK95]

Beltre was an all star 4 times in his career, this is what the HOF has become

I'm furious over Wagner. Dudes twelve bad post season inning keep him out? He was the best LHP of the last hundred years when you look at advanced metrics. And I'm still mad Baines is in while Dewey, Lou Whitaker, and **** Allen are not for example. Even Dave Parker should be in over Baines. The writers who vote mostly don't deserve to imo.

Baines got in via a veterans committee

"What's your point Vanessa?"

 

[Eephus]

Beltre was an all star 4 times in his career, this is what the HOF has become

I'm furious over Wagner. Dudes twelve bad post season inning keep him out? He was the best LHP of the last hundred years when you look at advanced metrics. And I'm still mad Baines is in while Dewey, Lou Whitaker, and **** Allen are not for example. Even Dave Parker should be in over Baines. The writers who vote mostly don't deserve to imo.

Baines got in via a veterans committee

"What's your point Vanessa?"

You're ripping the BBWAA who've made a few questionable calls as a group. But these have mostly been errors of exclusion rather than voting in unworthy candidates. Baines was voted in behind closed doors by a small veterans committee; he never appeared on more than 6% of the writers' ballots during his original years of eligibility.

Baines was a DH and a bit of a compiler but he isn't the worst player in the hall. Nor is Billy Wagner the best pitcher on the outside.

 

[PIK95]

Beltre was an all star 4 times in his career, this is what the HOF has become

I'm furious over Wagner. Dudes twelve bad post season inning keep him out? He was the best LHP of the last hundred years when you look at advanced metrics. And I'm still mad Baines is in while Dewey, Lou Whitaker, and **** Allen are not for example. Even Dave Parker should be in over Baines. The writers who vote mostly don't deserve to imo.

Baines got in via a veterans committee

"What's your point Vanessa?"

You're ripping the BBWAA who've made a few questionable calls as a group. But these have mostly been errors of exclusion rather than voting in unworthy candidates. Baines was voted in behind closed doors by a small veterans committee; he never appeared on more than 6% of the writers' ballots during his original years of eligibility.

Baines was a DH and a bit of a compiler but he isn't the worst player in the hall. Nor is Billy Wagner the best pitcher on the outside.

Who is a better pitcher than Wagner on the outside in your opinion? Non Yankees or roids guys only please. Baines was a good player. He's just an easy mark. The hall is a huge mess imo.

I could get behind Rick Reuschel fwiw.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Congratulations to the three new members.

The voting process is ridiculous but Beltre, Helton and Mauer all have HOF-worthy resumes.

Not really sure about Helton. Numbers inflated somewhat by coors and still not eye popping and also only .90 career shares in mvp voting. Just don’t totally see it.

 

[Eephus]

Who is a better pitcher than Wagner on the outside in your opinion? Non Yankees or roids guys only please. Baines was a good player. He's just an easy mark. The hall is a huge mess imo.

Relievers are tough to quantify. Wagner only threw 900 IP in his career--mostly great and mostly high leverage but that's like two seasons worth of work for Cy Young.

Wagner will get in next year but is he really that much greater than K-Rod who got 7.8% of the vote this year?

 

[Eephus]

Not really sure about Helton. Numbers inflated somewhat by coors and still not eye popping and also only .90 career shares in mvp voting. Just don’t totally see it.

Tough crowd

 

[guru_007]

Beltre was an all star 4 times in his career, this is what the HOF has become

This has to be

Congratulations to the three new members.

The voting process is ridiculous but Beltre, Helton and Mauer all have HOF-worthy resumes.

Not really sure about Helton. Numbers inflated somewhat by coors and still not eye popping and also only .90 career shares in mvp voting. Just don’t totally see it.

Totally agree with Long Ball Larry. Numbers inflated EXTREMELY by Coors. Career at Coors, 0.345 avg, 1.048 ops 227 hr's 859 rbi's, career away 0.287, 0.855, 142, 547. Dramatic difference.
Helton's career oWAR (And let's face it, he was a hitter, not a fielder) was 54.5 and he's a HOF'er. (3 seasons with top 10 MVP votes)
Lance Berkman's career oWAR was 54.0 (6 seasons with top 10 MVP votes)
And Helton played over 2 more full season's than Berkman.

I'm most disappointed I suppose that Andruw Jones didn't get it. That guy was a hall of famer.

 

[Eephus]

I'm not going to rain on Helton's parade because he got the votes while other equally deserving players didn't make the cut. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Lou Whitaker

Is this guy ever getting in? His career numbers add up like he should.

 

[Eephus]

Lou Whitaker

Is this guy ever getting in? His career numbers add up like he should.

He didn't even make the finalist list for the last Contemporary Era veterans' committee in 2022. I believe the committees are on a three year cycle so his next opportunity would be in the 2025 committee (induction class of 2026).

They're not going to ask me but I think the HOF should change the veterans' committee format once again. The current system which was introduced recently has a 1980 demarcation between the Classic and Contemporary eras. The pre-1980 candidates have had ample time for their cases to be argued. The various committees have righted their share of historical omissions but Bill Dahlen isn't going to care if he ever makes it in. Future post-1980 committees are going to get inundated by steroid era stars and the politics that come with them which will probably hurt 1980-2000 players like Whitaker.

 

[PIK95]

Lou Whitaker

Is this guy ever getting in? His career numbers add up like he should.

He didn't even make the finalist list for the last Contemporary Era veterans' committee in 2022. I believe the committees are on a three year cycle so his next opportunity would be in the 2025 committee (induction class of 2026).

They're not going to ask me but I think the HOF should change the veterans' committee format once again. The current system which was introduced recently has a 1980 demarcation between the Classic and Contemporary eras. The pre-1980 candidates have had ample time for their cases to be argued. The various committees have righted their share of historical omissions but Bill Dahlen isn't going to care if he ever makes it in. Future post-1980 committees are going to get inundated by steroid era stars and the politics that come with them which will probably hurt 1980-2000 players like Whitaker.

You are right. Those early to mid 80's guys are kinda screwed.

 

[Bogart]

Lou Whitaker

Is this guy ever getting in? His career numbers add up like he should.

He didn't even make the finalist list for the last Contemporary Era veterans' committee in 2022. I believe the committees are on a three year cycle so his next opportunity would be in the 2025 committee (induction class of 2026).

They're not going to ask me but I think the HOF should change the veterans' committee format once again. The current system which was introduced recently has a 1980 demarcation between the Classic and Contemporary eras. The pre-1980 candidates have had ample time for their cases to be argued. The various committees have righted their share of historical omissions but Bill Dahlen isn't going to care if he ever makes it in. Future post-1980 committees are going to get inundated by steroid era stars and the politics that come with them which will probably hurt 1980-2000 players like Whitaker.

Dahlen get screwed again.

Some of us still care.

 

[shuke]

Even Dave Parker should be in over Baines. The writers who vote mostly don't deserve to imo.

Baines was inducted via the veterans committee. He never go more than like 6% from the writers.

 

[shuke]

Even Dave Parker should be in over Baines. The writers who vote mostly don't deserve to imo.

Baines was inducted via the veterans committee. He never go more than like 6% from the writers.

I see this has been covered.

 

[Bogart]

HOF just announced that Beltre is going in as a Ranger. Little doubt, but nice to have it confirmed.

 

[Bogart]

Jim Leyland going in without a logo. Like a coward.

 

[Eephus]

This year's Classic Era Committee ballot does not include WIS favorite Bill Dahlen

**** Allen
Ken Boyer
John Donaldson
Steve Garvey
Vic Harris
Tommy John
Dave Parker
Luis Tiant

No Bobby Grich either.

 

[Skipdog77]

This year's Classic Era Committee ballot does not include WIS favorite Bill Dahlen

**** Allen
Ken Boyer
John Donaldson
Steve Garvey
Vic Harris
Tommy John
Dave Parker
Luis Tiant

No Bobby Grich either.

The Rusty Kuntz Fan Club is outraged at his omission.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

Put Pete Rose in

So much this