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Baseball lost me with their last strike (1 Viewer)

LawFitz

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I'm curious as to how others feel about what is now likely to be a ghost season in 2011. Is the NFL's stranglehold over the #1 American sport position as safe as the owners and players seem to think?

 
If they don't play I'm pretty sure I'll almost give it up completely, I'll become a casual fan much like what happened to me with hockey. I think in the end hockey needed it to fix the sport but once it was gone, I never fully came back all in. Baseball took me a LONG time to get back on board. Football I'm sure will be the same for me

 
I think I will call Direct TV after the season and immediately cancel my automatic renewal. I'll use the lockout as the reason to cancel. Then if they play, I should be able to get a cheap deal.

 
The players are going to catch hell for it, and that's unfair. At least in terms of responsibility, the owners should receive just as much blame from the fans, but they're not in the spotlight like the players are.

If there is indeed a strike, it will absolutely hurt the NFL's status as #1 American sport. The NFL isn't bulletproof.

There are baseball fans to this day who haven't watched a game since 1994. I live in Atlanta, and there are still fans that hate Tom Glavine for that strike.

 
For me, as stated above, baseball lost me when they went on strike. Ive never been much of a fan since. Now as a die hard football fan, I would stick mostly with college football. For them to be crying about money (whether it be the owners or players) is absolutely insane, especially in todays economy. They make far too much now, and for ANYONE to say they arent getting a big enough piece of the pie is ridiculous.

 
The NFL seems to be really trying to expand their profit at the expense of their sport. Kind of reminds me of how I used to like the NHL.

 
Never went back to baseball myself, after the MLB powers that be decided to scrap what could have been an epic season in '94 (Expo's contending for the pennant, Griffey and Matt Williams chasing Maris, etc.). If the NFL strikes I probably won't watch the next season that they decide they want to make things work, and instead switch my fantasy efforts and more viewing enthusiasm to college ball (which I've been watching more and more of anyway). Probably pay a little more attention to to European football leagues as well, and maybe get back into fantasy soccer.

It's a pretty simple consumer decision for me; if a business were to stop producing their products for a year it would cause me to look elsewhere for a comparable product or to find another method of achieving something similar. Say, for example, Post stopped making Grape Nuts- I wouldn't stop eating cold breakfasts entirely, though I may switch from boxed, mass produced/consumed cereals to something along the lines granola and yogurt. Maybe go down to the local donut shop and have a nice maple bacon bar. Maybe grab a bagel and some lox.

Lots of options out there, even if the NFL feels that people won't bother to look. Right now, the NFL is looking like just another mass produced cold cereal.

 
I wouldn't be happy but I'm sure I'd be back. Pro football was the only sport I was raised to be a fan of.

 
If it wasnt for fantasy football i wouldnt pay attention to it this much. Reason...Goodell. He is trying to fix what isn't broken at the cost of the sport itself.

Fans want a 18 game schedule...no we dont.

Fans want games out of the states...no we don't.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I think everyone is panicing over nothing. Will there be an issue in the offseason sure? Will there be an nfl season? You bet your ### there will
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I think the post is asking you to assume, for a moment, that this isn't the case. More powerful men have made worse decisions than scraping an NFL season.
 
puckalicious said:
The NFL seems to be really trying to expand their profit at the expense of their sport. Kind of reminds me of how I used to like the NHL.
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True, but when the NHL came back, they delivered a better product by getting rid of the two-line pass rule. That year off (with the cap too) is the best thing that ever happened to hockey (well, since Wayne and Mario). That was a desperate league, throwing a Hail Mary and coming down with it. The NFL is up 45-0 in the fourth quarter and is about to walk off the field...
 
I can handle a strike or lockout as long as the NFL has revenue sharing, salary cap and hopefully adds a rookie cap when it returns.

At it stands I am more likely to be lost if Goodell continues to rule the NFL with an iron fist. His nonsensical rulings and the poor officiating are taking a lot of the appeal out of the game for me.

 
Strike or not, I'll be less interested next year and am close to bailing on everything but the weekly Steeler game. No more fantasy, full Sundays of games, etc

There is just too much stuff that is not even close to what I know as football. Roger and his junta, greed, stupid show offs, etc

Guys like Peyton Hillis, Hines Ward and Ray Lewis are becoming extinct. Idiots and spoiled kids like Roger, Ocho, TO, Moss, Vick, Big Ben, Rivers, Favre suck up all the attention and have ruined what used to be a great thing.

I believe that I am in the minority here and I guess there were others in the past who thought the same when the face mask was introduced and other changes were made. Regardless, it still feels like being robbed of something important.

 
Baseball lost me first. Back in the 80's. The second strike of the decade did it for me. I use to go to at least one game a week and to follow my club on T.V. and radio. TWIB was must viewing. Then I stopped, cold turkey, never to give them attention or money again. I do not read that part of the sports page and I turn off sports shows if they are even reviewing the days scores or scandals. My interest is wholly gone and I now find the existence of baseball nothing more than a minor irritant, something that needlessly takes up space in the sports pages.

The NBA lost me in the 90's. Their style of play, lack of fundamental skills, and strike came together to cause my indifference. With the rise of broadcasting of colege ball I did not miss a beat. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Football. Football is my first love, my longest and sweetest, if not always most torrid romance. Football kicked me in the teeth before with a strike. I forgave her. I took the ##### back and we have had some good years since she once strayed. Frankly I can forgive alot for my one true love, but not everything.

In the case at hand both sides are making money hand over fist. The explosion of revenue has been unprecedented and both sides are sharing in that. In self delusion both sides think it to be they that have generated the revenue explosion. They are wrong. It is we the fans, the originators of FF, the gamblers, the drunken monkeys who have made them in spite of themselves. They should be cautious they do not misunderstand their own importance nor what they have wrought, for it is we who have wrought this explosion.

It would take much, but I can drop football and not look back. Absolutely, I have done it before. Football would be well advise to look at the demographics of baseball, hockey and basketball. All suffered more in their strikes and recovered slower from them than they thought. Each actually permanently damaged their fan base.

Who knows, if football is not an option for a year i might just become a fan of the world's game instead.

 
Unfortunately for FBG, it will likely be fantasty football that loses me if there is a strike/lockout.

I'll watch the games once they come back on.

 
Godsbrother said:
At it stands I am more likely to be lost if Goodell continues to rule the NFL with an iron fist. His nonsensical rulings and the poor officiating are taking a lot of the appeal out of the game for me.
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:goodposting: This. I've aready informed my fantasy leagues that I will not be returning next year and the reason I gave was the way Goodell was running things. I can't watch a game where there is some bull#### penalty where a QB might be hit a half-second late or a DB getting flagged for a WR ducking his head and getting his helmet scrapped by a fackmask in the collision. I'm all for making the NFL safer, but this is all completely absurd. Just give them red jerseys and flags and call it a day.
 
Before we get all "I am jumping from the Brooklyn Bridge", the reality is, we want to see the best. With that said, how do we judge "the best". I'll watch foot ball regardless, and if the leading rusher is some kid from App State, then so be it. I can still draft him on MFL, root for him on Sunday and he will wear the Jets uni...lets not over analyze this...these are interchangeable people, none of whom I know, and none of who would give me the time of day. What do i care about whether the last name on the jersey reads Sanchez or Garcia?

 
It depends. I'll still be a fan of the NFL but if they go down the same road as the NBA then all bets are off. The NBA is full of overhyped duds that ESPN and the NBA sells as the best thing since sliced bread....a true fan knows better. The game is unwatchable and I hope the NFL doesn't get to that point.

 
MLB and NBA lost me when they made their regular seasons last six months and the first round of their playoffs last two weeks. NFL? I couldn't stay mad at you.

 
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I will come back, and actually I would not mind it at all it they took a season off. Would probably start enoying my Sundays again.

 
I have never returned to baseball and hockey after their strikes. I can't imagine doing the same with the NFL but I thought it impossible for me to lose interest in baseball, so I don't know.

I could see college football and college basketball becoming my two favorites -- Hopefully won't be an issue

 
One more stupid PI or 'illegal contact' call will do it for me. It's ridiculous how much the game benefits the offense.

 
Godsbrother said:
I can handle a strike or lockout as long as the NFL has revenue sharing, salary cap and hopefully adds a rookie cap when it returns.At it stands I am more likely to be lost if Goodell continues to rule the NFL with an iron fist. His nonsensical rulings and the poor officiating are taking a lot of the appeal out of the game for me.
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Ah yes, but would you feel the same way if James Harrison could properly execute a simple form tackle?
 
The NFL survived two stoppages already, it will survive this.

In the end the players will cave, again, because they're negotiating with billionaires who have highly diversified assets, while pretty much the only asset the players have is their bodies, which are rapidly depreciating.

 
I was a season ticket holder for the championship years the Islanders had, but left hockey over the refereeing inconsistnacies long before the strike. I quit baseball, and I was a fanatical fan, it was the umpire strike, the player's strikes and now ticket prices. Haven't watched a game in years.

If the NFL has no season, I won't be back. I'll walk away just like I did for every other pro sport. I'm pretty sour on college football too. It's nothing more than a convaluted money maker too. Might go to some division II games, but that would be it.

The NFL thinks it is bullet proof. It isn't, and if they test that theory, they will be shooting themselves in the foot, players included. They can shove their PSL's where the sun doesn't shine.

 
delusional said:
If it wasnt for fantasy football i wouldnt pay attention to it this much. Reason...Goodell. He is trying to fix what isn't broken at the cost of the sport itself. Fans want a 18 game schedule...no we dont
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Speak for yourself. I absolutely want an 18 game season.
 
I will return. What I like about the NFL is that it provides better parity than baseball or basketball due to it's revenue sharing and salary cap. Removing that bothers me more than changing penalties, lockouts etc. The introduction of the designated hitter in 1973 bothered me much more than helmet to helmet.

I don't care who the players are. College teams turn over their rosters every 3-4 years and I watch.

 
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Sudsy said:
Who knows, if football is not an option for a year i might just become a fan of the world's game instead.
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Darts?
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Dwarf curling.... think about it.Reality is, the nfl is a multi-billion dollar broadcasting company. If the players don't accept the terms, then you'll be seeing replacement players. I'll still watch as those players will be from arena or cfl leagues. The fact is there are thousands of athletes who would love to get the current nfl salaries.
 
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Baseball lost me with their last strike too. I only follow the Phillies a little here and there because they have been so good the last few years...but baseball never won me back. Part of it was the timing of the last baseball strike...I graduated high school the following year and had a lot more going on in my life and I just forgot about it. Now it just seems boring to me.

I'd like to think the same thing wouldn't happen with football.

I've always loved football more than any other sport.

But I can't say for sure what will happen.

 
LawFitz said:
I'm curious as to how others feel about what is now likely to be a ghost season in 2011. Is the NFL's stranglehold over the #1 American sport position as safe as the owners and players seem to think?
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I agree. I absolutely quit watching baseball after their strike. I have no interest in baseball anymore and would feel the same way about millionaires birtching that they dont get enough.
 
I think they'd be okay in a lot of their major markets,

but could lose a sizable percentage of fans in lesser markets, in places without a team, casual fans, and fans who mainly pay attention because of fantasy football.

People are creatures of habit. If next season rolls around and there are not professionals playing, people will find other things to do with their Sundays during the fall.

 
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The NFL is losing me more by throwing a flag everytime someone gets hit real hard...it's getting worse every week. Thank you NFL for ruining a great game...

 
add me to the list of people that used to be a big baseball fan. but since the last strike, i havent watched a single game. i have gone to 2 games since then, but didnt pay any attention to the games at all (social events). if football misses more than a few games, i will probably dive full into ncaa football and use my sundays forever on for something more worthy.

 
Neofight said:
Never went back to baseball myself, after the MLB powers that be decided to scrap what could have been an epic season in '94 (Expo's contending for the pennant, Griffey and Matt Williams chasing Maris, etc.). If the NFL strikes I probably won't watch the next season that they decide they want to make things work, and instead switch my fantasy efforts and more viewing enthusiasm to college ball (which I've been watching more and more of anyway). Probably pay a little more attention to to European football leagues as well, and maybe get back into fantasy soccer.

It's a pretty simple consumer decision for me; if a business were to stop producing their products for a year it would cause me to look elsewhere for a comparable product or to find another method of achieving something similar. Say, for example, Post stopped making Grape Nuts- I wouldn't stop eating cold breakfasts entirely, though I may switch from boxed, mass produced/consumed cereals to something along the lines granola and yogurt. Maybe go down to the local donut shop and have a nice maple bacon bar. Maybe grab a bagel and some lox.

Lots of options out there, even if the NFL feels that people won't bother to look. Right now, the NFL is looking like just another mass produced cold cereal.
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lol
 
I'd actually welcome it. I could spend my couple hours a week on college football then get a lot more #### done without commishing multiple FF leagues and such.

 
Yes. Honestly, the only reason I pay attention is because of fantasy football. There are a lot of problems the league has failed to address, while concerning itself with non-issues instead. My list of complaints include:

1) Lack of a solid PED drug testing policy; I hate to see cheaters prosper and the game is infected much worse than any of us know.

2) Lack of quality refereeing, lack of system to ensure that the refs are not compromised by gambling industry, and a need to simplify the rules so that a fan can tell when a fumble is a fumble and a catch is a catch, without needing to be a lawyer. It's a simple game and shouldn't be so complicated; and beyond that, I am not at all convinced that the integrity of the game hasn't been compromised.

3) I hate how the league and teams blackmail cities into spending hundreds of millions of dollars to provide the billionaire owners and millionaire players with a place of business. Meanwhile, they raise ticket prices even more so the average person cannot bring his family. AI hate how they claim the team's own the naming rights...to a stadium they didn't fund. And then call the revenue from the naming rights the "teams' contribution." The whole thing smacks of Corporate Welfare, and at a time when we are massively underfunding public schools and screaming bloody crazy about providing public assistance so people can get health care, I think it is pretty irresponsible.

4) I hate the exclusive deals they have with DirectTV, effectively raping fans who want to watch their favorite team. It's a monopoly, and it should be illegal.

The NFL as a business pretends to be about the fans and about loyalty and about principles of hardwork and teamwork and so on, but it really is about money today. It wasn't always this way. And that makes me sad.

 
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Jagov said:
Strike or not, I'll be less interested next year and am close to bailing on everything but the weekly Steeler game. No more fantasy, full Sundays of games, etc

There is just too much stuff that is not even close to what I know as football. Roger and his junta, greed, stupid show offs, etc

Guys like Peyton Hillis, Hines Ward and Ray Lewis are becoming extinct. Idiots and spoiled kids like Roger, Ocho, TO, Moss, Vick, Big Ben, Rivers, Favre suck up all the attention and have ruined what used to be a great thing.

I believe that I am in the minority here and I guess there were others in the past who thought the same when the face mask was introduced and other changes were made. Regardless, it still feels like being robbed of something important.
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So you group Ray Lewis with the guys who aren't show-offs and you lump Rivers in with the spoiled kids who are ruining the game? Are you sure you're watching the same games as me?
 
Ministry of Pain said:
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If this is just fun talk I understand but there will not be a lockout next year. The owners are making entirely too much money to stop the gravy train right now.
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Except the TV deal negotiated by the owners with the networks guarantees that they'll get their money regardless of whether games are played or not. The players are the ones with no leverage here.
 
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