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BB or TB ?
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BB or TB, who will have more success ? (1 Viewer)
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rockaction
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Depends on the time frame. If it's three years or less, I'm voting Brady. If it's a longer view, then Belichick.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Interestingly enough, BB is the 8th oldest coach in the history of the NFL. (Months older than Arians and Months younger than Pete Carroll). Bill turns 68 next month. Carroll turns 69 later this year.
https://www.oldest.org/sports/coaches-in-nfl/
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Should be rephrased as Bucs with Brady vs Pats with Bill. Bucs all day.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Biggest Covid outbreak spike if we follow current suggested protocol? I read today that there are two spikes. Mid-to-late April and -- yes -- mid-October.
Deamon
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, I misread everything. Tampa will play NE in 2021 as per the rotating schedule the NFL uses -- that's what you were saying. I thought you were talking about the viability of football later this year. It's quite possible we have no season due to Covid.
Deamon
Footballguy
Ahhhhhh ok. Ya I was just looking at future schedules hoping tb went to ne in the next season or two and luckily enough they do!
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
It was always a matter of location. At least now Brady has someone to throw to.barackdhouse said:
Anarchy99
Footballguy
There has only been one QB that was 43 years old or older that had more than 60 passing attempts in a season. That was Vinny Testaverde at 44 when he went 2-4 as a starter for the Panthers in 2007 (172 attempts). He averaged 136 yards passing per game with 5 TD, 6 INT, and a 65.8 passer rating.
We have reached unchartered territory for Brady. I am not saying he can't do well. I am not saying he won't do well. What I am saying is we haven't seen a 43 year old QB do well. Neither has BB, which is why Brady isn't in NE anymore. Just as a basis for comparison, here were the other 3 times when a big name QB that was 37 or older switched teams and what happened when they moved on.
JOE MONTANA
- Threw for 2,144--13--7 with an 87.4 passer rating in 11 games in his first season in KC in 1993 at age 37.
- KC went 8-3 with Montana and advanced to the AFCCG. They lost to the Bills 30-13 and Montana was 9 for 23 for 125 yards and an INT with a 39.2 passer rating.
- SF went 10-6 with Steve Young and made the playoffs, also losing in the NFCCG. They lost to the Cowboys 38-21 and Young was 27 for 45 for 287--1--1 with a 76.8 rating.
BRETT FAVRE
- Threw for 3,472--22-22 with an 81.0 passer rating in his only season with the Jets in 2008 at age 39.
- The Jets went 9-7 and missed the playoffs.
- GB went 6-10 in their first season with Aaron Rodgers starting.
- Favre moved on to MIN the following year and had a great season for the Vikings (12-4).
JOHNNY UNITAS
- Threw for 471--3--7 with a 40.0 passer rating in his only season with the SDG in 1973 at age 40.
- The Chargers went 2-11-1.
- The Colts went 4-10, initially with Bert Jones starting (before he got hurt).
Manning moving to the Broncos obviously worked out, but he was 36. IMO, there is a pretty decent age difference at 43 than any of these other players. It's interesting that the replacement QB's were all good in their own right (Steve Young, Brett Favre, and Bert Jones). Young really shouldn't really count, as he took over for Montana when Montana got hurt and won the MVP that year . . . so moving on from Joe Cool was not that risky.
Brady should do better than those 3 players (but not as well as Denver Manning). Brady has done a lot of things that other QBs haven't done, so expecting a strong season this year doesn't sound all that crazy. I wouldn't bet on Brady falling apart, but I wouldn't put a ton of money on him succeeding moving forward. I don't know what "succeeding" means, but I don't see him putting up huge numbers, and I don't see Tampa being near the top of the league. Would an 8 or 9 win season be considered a success this year in Tampa and maybe earning the newly added last wildcard slot? That might be a success for the team but might not be considered a great season for Brady.
It's too soon to have any idea what NE will look like, so I will save commentary on BB and the Pats until I see what their plan and roster looks like. Similarly, if NE wins 10 games and makes the playoffs, would that be considered a success this season for BB?
We have reached unchartered territory for Brady. I am not saying he can't do well. I am not saying he won't do well. What I am saying is we haven't seen a 43 year old QB do well. Neither has BB, which is why Brady isn't in NE anymore. Just as a basis for comparison, here were the other 3 times when a big name QB that was 37 or older switched teams and what happened when they moved on.
JOE MONTANA
- Threw for 2,144--13--7 with an 87.4 passer rating in 11 games in his first season in KC in 1993 at age 37.
- KC went 8-3 with Montana and advanced to the AFCCG. They lost to the Bills 30-13 and Montana was 9 for 23 for 125 yards and an INT with a 39.2 passer rating.
- SF went 10-6 with Steve Young and made the playoffs, also losing in the NFCCG. They lost to the Cowboys 38-21 and Young was 27 for 45 for 287--1--1 with a 76.8 rating.
BRETT FAVRE
- Threw for 3,472--22-22 with an 81.0 passer rating in his only season with the Jets in 2008 at age 39.
- The Jets went 9-7 and missed the playoffs.
- GB went 6-10 in their first season with Aaron Rodgers starting.
- Favre moved on to MIN the following year and had a great season for the Vikings (12-4).
JOHNNY UNITAS
- Threw for 471--3--7 with a 40.0 passer rating in his only season with the SDG in 1973 at age 40.
- The Chargers went 2-11-1.
- The Colts went 4-10, initially with Bert Jones starting (before he got hurt).
Manning moving to the Broncos obviously worked out, but he was 36. IMO, there is a pretty decent age difference at 43 than any of these other players. It's interesting that the replacement QB's were all good in their own right (Steve Young, Brett Favre, and Bert Jones). Young really shouldn't really count, as he took over for Montana when Montana got hurt and won the MVP that year . . . so moving on from Joe Cool was not that risky.
Brady should do better than those 3 players (but not as well as Denver Manning). Brady has done a lot of things that other QBs haven't done, so expecting a strong season this year doesn't sound all that crazy. I wouldn't bet on Brady falling apart, but I wouldn't put a ton of money on him succeeding moving forward. I don't know what "succeeding" means, but I don't see him putting up huge numbers, and I don't see Tampa being near the top of the league. Would an 8 or 9 win season be considered a success this year in Tampa and maybe earning the newly added last wildcard slot? That might be a success for the team but might not be considered a great season for Brady.
It's too soon to have any idea what NE will look like, so I will save commentary on BB and the Pats until I see what their plan and roster looks like. Similarly, if NE wins 10 games and makes the playoffs, would that be considered a success this season for BB?
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
not a fair contest. BB can do his job until he's 80. TB has maybe 2 years if he's lucky.
rockaction
Footballguy
Favre was hurt when he played for the Jets but gutted it out for Mangini, who criticized his play instead of throwing him a rope.
sports_fan
Footballguy
Outlook for the Pats changes drastically depending on time frame
Short term - Pats are like a horse in a canoe without a paddle.
Long term - Even a blind squirrel finds his way
Short term - Pats are like a horse in a canoe without a paddle.
Long term - Even a blind squirrel finds his way
