Beanie Wells Pro Day Discussion (1 Viewer)

[zdaddy]

When you evaluate a prospect it helps if you don't say things likeositivelyAbsolutelyI GuaranteeLockSeems like common sense to most but it still happens.If/when you are wrong from now on please, swallow your pride and say "I got that one wrong."

Better way to go than playing the smokescreen card....

 

[AnonymousBob]

So... the moral of the story is, "Don't listen to Chachi during this time of year. In fact, you're better off if you never listen to Chachi." Thank-you for your contributions to the board. Hope you spent at least some of the $10K on a membership.

chachi should be banned...i have to say I never understood the hate for this guy but after his smokescreen comment i'm ready to put him on my ignore list. How do I do that? He'll be my first addition and i'm fairly okay with most of the antics around this place. I'm sorry for not contributing anything to the thread but chachi is shooting a fountain of urine all over this place and he needs to be banned before we all drown in a flood of chachi pee.

 

[RC94]

This thread epitomizes the main problem with this forum.

 

[bcr8f]

With this 40 time, anyone else thinking Wells is now the consensus 1.01 rookie pick?

No I still like Moreno's all around game better. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wells picked first though.

 

[bcr8f]

To me, Wells was a virtual lock to post much better numbers today than he did at the combine. I posted this in the combine thread:

Sometimes you can tell just by watching a player run their 40 that they are faster than they look on this particular day. Manningham last year was a great example. Wells just doesn't look comfortable at all running today. I think he will run at the OSU pro-day and perform better.Bottom line, look back at his game tape. You'll see runs against schools like LSU where he runs away from people and doesn't get caught from behind.

Looks like I found my co-pilot for the Beanie Wells spaceship(cause he's fast) bandwagon.Special thanks to BS for the sig material.

Youre welcome for the sig!!Having you disagree with me about draft prospects enforces my opinions even more. Some quotes from you last year:

absolutely brilliant with Malcolm Kelly as the #1 WR, I agree 100%

I actually think Forte is going to be a major bust, not only Benson stunk in Chicago, they all stunk in Chicago and I don't think Forte is very good at all

Even with Chris Johnson being drafted high, I agree with the low ranking, I think he brings something special (speed) but it's not going to equate into much fantasywise.

I would seriously be stunned if Forte/Johnson/Smith all finished ahead of Dmac, actually I'd be stunned if any of them finished ahead of Dmac

I am taking bets on ROY, I will take McFadden over anyone who wants to pick Forte, it just seems like stealing to me, I'll wager whatever you want.

Wow.

 

[top dog]

FAILEver heard of a smokescreen? I will say I do like Dmac and did like him over those guys but I'll also let you in on a little secret, I drafted Chris Johnson and Matt Forte in dynasty leagues, not over McFadden. I drafted both CJ and Forte within a week of those comments. I don't own Malcolm Kelly at all, in one league I did however draft Avery over him and drafted Royal in the late 2nd. I also drafted Brandon Marshall in a $1000 entry league in the 4th round after I buried him on these forums, I'm sure you can pull up 50 posts of me ripping Marshall to shreds. All pulling up those quotes proves is you have too much time on your hands.

If you don't have enough confidence to post your true feelings on a player, it might be best for you to find another board. If you want to come in here an intentionally post misinformation, definitely find another board. TIA.J

Nice response to that behavior. Except you and everyone else in here (except for Chachi) knows damn well he is full of ####. He got and tried to cover for it..... Smokescreen my ###...

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

I was just watching NFL Network and they said Beanie's time was 4.43, not 4.38 or 4.39.

 

[twr]

If you don't have enough confidence to post your true feelings on a player, it might be best for you to find another board. If you want to come in here an intentionally post misinformation, definitely find another board. TIA.J

bingo. nicely said J, posting what you believe is FALSE information to try and mislead other fantasy players in hopes that you get a better player in your draft is pretty weak. last year i truely believed that mcfadden and mendenhall would have the best careers. and with forte in chicago, he would have one as well. i also didnt like jonathan stewart or chris johnson, but i loved matt ryan. drafted mendenhall at 1.2, and ryan at 1.5. forte went at 1.4, so i went with ryan at 1.5 instead of johnson ( because like i said, thought he wouldnt be a factor ). this year i think the elite talent is 3 deep.the good talent is 8 deep.here is how i would rank the prospects in a PPR. the number beside them is how i think they will get drafted.(1)moreno ( will be a true stud from the get go, but more than likely will land in a situation behind a starter )(3)wells ( will be a bell cow who doesnt catch many passes, lewis is a good comparison, hes going to be good )(8)stafford ( will take a year to develop ala jay cutler, but he has the tools to be very, very successful )(9)nicks ( really excited about this guy, hes going to be a steal in fantasy drafts )(7)harvin ( if a team uses him like reggie, hes going to be valuable in fantasy leagues.... i think he has to land with the right team to be successful ) (4)mccoy ( seems unfair to have him this low... but his character concerns me, and i dont think hes a 3 down back. )(2)crabtree ( i have the 1.3 in rookie drafts, and ill most likely draft him if he falls there... but i think he is a very very risky pick. much riskier than anyone else coming out this year. he has elite production, but its hard for me to evaluate this guy... thats why hes so low on my board. )(5)maclin ( speedy guy, great in the return game, good routes, good hands... but not my type of WR. hes very easy to tackle, if you can catch him... granted, this was my same concerns about chris johnson... running after contact... so again, this is a guy who i will likely miss on. )(10)green ( good production in one year as a workhorse in the big ten... im not very impressed... he has pretty good feet for a big guy, but unless he lands in a good situation like johnson did with the cinci, hes a pass in my book. )---wild card(6)--- Brown... had outstanding combine #'s.. and i love his game... after its all said and done, he could be the best back out of this class, but i have him this low because its hard for me to evaluate him. ( could be the next MJD )the players i think that have the most value in this draft are nicks and brown...

 

[JetMaxx]

I was just watching NFL Network and they said Beanie's time was 4.43, not 4.38 or 4.39.

Does it matter at 237?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Twr, just out of curiosity, who are you expecting to pick Moreno? I see that you have him listed as being drafted ahead of Crabtree in the NFL draft. Since Crabtree will likely be a top 10 pick and most feel the RBs won't start coming off the board until the late 1st this year, who do you see reaching on Moreno early?

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

I was just watching NFL Network and they said Beanie's time was 4.43, not 4.38 or 4.39.

Does it matter at 237?

If his time was 4.43 on a fast track, he is over 4.50 on an even playing field. Still a very good size/speed ratio, but not amazing.That is why NFL teams like players running at the combine.... it is an apples to apples comparison.

 

[twr]

Twr, just out of curiosity, who are you expecting to pick Moreno? I see that you have him listed as being drafted ahead of Crabtree in the NFL draft. Since Crabtree will likely be a top 10 pick and most feel the RBs won't start coming off the board until the late 1st this year, who do you see reaching on Moreno early?

most dynasty players wont draft WR's or QB's higher than RB's they feel are elite... moreno in a PPR league is the best RB coming out.. most complete back. (even though cases can be made about mccoy )... wells imo is the best rb in this class... but PPR alters his value.. so i see crabtree falling to #3. he doesnt seem like the fitz/calvin/aj type... two years ago lynch went ahead of calvin in alot of fantasy drafts... after the nfl draft it will be easier to predict where these guys will get drafted in rookie drafts, but their values easily chance with the scoring of the league ( aka, maclin will grade out better than crabtree in a return league )

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

I was just watching NFL Network and they said Beanie's time was 4.43, not 4.38 or 4.39.

Does it matter at 237?

Not really. What scares me about Wells in a dynasty league is a short fantasy career for Wells owners. Not because of injury, because of comittment to football. I can see a quick decline for players like Wells as he loses speed, especially since he's not a factor in the passing game. Having said that, I might take him anyway :X He is a beast physically. I hope he can learn to block and catch. If he's a three down back, he's the best in the draft.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Twr, just out of curiosity, who are you expecting to pick Moreno? I see that you have him listed as being drafted ahead of Crabtree in the NFL draft. Since Crabtree will likely be a top 10 pick and most feel the RBs won't start coming off the board until the late 1st this year, who do you see reaching on Moreno early?

most dynasty players wont draft WR's or QB's higher than RB's they feel are elite... moreno in a PPR league is the best RB coming out.. most complete back. (even though cases can be made about mccoy )... wells imo is the best rb in this class... but PPR alters his value.. so i see crabtree falling to #3. he doesnt seem like the fitz/calvin/aj type... two years ago lynch went ahead of calvin in alot of fantasy drafts... after the nfl draft it will be easier to predict where these guys will get drafted in rookie drafts, but their values easily chance with the scoring of the league ( aka, maclin will grade out better than crabtree in a return league )

Ok, I misread your original post. I thought the number in parenthesis in your post was the order you thought they'd be picked in in the NFL draft, not fantasy drafts. Which upon re-reading your post, was a pretty poor job of reading on my part initially

 

[Cookiemonster]

I'm not super high on Wells myself and have posted my reason's why numerous times.I have seen every game he played in college and I like what Wells did against Michigan, however if I'm looking at the whole picture he needs to be in a RBBC to be succesful in the NFL and his attitude sucks and I feel he's a prima donna as a whole. "Beanie" will do well in spurts and I also feel it's unfair to say he can't and won't catch the ball since really it's not what OSU does with it's offense.I myself would not touch him as a real gm in the NFL as a top 15 pick, but I'm not a real gm.He would not be a top 3 pick on my board FF wise either. I'm not high on Big Ten backs as a whole to be honest.I hope I'm wrong, because he's a Buckeye , but there you go.

DAMN!!!!!!If I didn't already feel this way, I would now.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

I'm not super high on Wells myself and have posted my reason's why numerous times.

I have seen every game he played in college and I like what Wells did against Michigan, however if I'm looking at the whole picture he needs to be in a RBBC to be succesful in the NFL and his attitude sucks and I feel he's a prima donna as a whole. "Beanie" will do well in spurts and I also feel it's unfair to say he can't and won't catch the ball since really it's not what OSU does with it's offense.

I myself would not touch him as a real gm in the NFL as a top 15 pick, but I'm not a real gm.

He would not be a top 3 pick on my board FF wise either. I'm not high on Big Ten backs as a whole to be honest.

I hope I'm wrong, because he's a Buckeye , but there you go.

I saw almost every game and would like to know what makes you think that his attitude sucks or that he's a prima donna? I never got that impression at all. I see that and 'he has no heart', 'he's lazy', and other things written on this board. It seems like it stems from his injuries and that people take that as a 'lack of desire'. What kind of things did he do in college that leads you to believe his attitude sucks?

 

[FUBAR]

I'm not super high on Wells myself and have posted my reason's why numerous times.

I have seen every game he played in college and I like what Wells did against Michigan, however if I'm looking at the whole picture he needs to be in a RBBC to be succesful in the NFL and his attitude sucks and I feel he's a prima donna as a whole. "Beanie" will do well in spurts and I also feel it's unfair to say he can't and won't catch the ball since really it's not what OSU does with it's offense.

I myself would not touch him as a real gm in the NFL as a top 15 pick, but I'm not a real gm.

He would not be a top 3 pick on my board FF wise either. I'm not high on Big Ten backs as a whole to be honest.

I hope I'm wrong, because he's a Buckeye , but there you go.

I don't like to classify a whole group - position/conference, but I feel much the same way. Aside from Marion Barber there hasn't been a lot of success there. Even Barber isn't all that exceptional (yet anyway)

 

[Ned]

Gah, I was hoping Wells would put up mediocre times again. It seems like being down on Wells is the cool thing to be right now. I'm just hoping that the guy at the top of our rookie draft wants to be cool...

 

[Blackjacks]

Well, I'll start with the fact that he looked like he was dinged up in most of his games and he would pull himself out with what looked like minor dings. I would sit there "wondering" and saying where's "Beanie"??? I'm not saying he would not return, however there would be long streches that "Beanie" would dissapear. I notice that he seperated himself in good times and bad from his team mates. Texas game this year wa a perfect example of "Beanie" when he removed himself totally away from the team to sit with Lebron and hang out at the end of the bench and "Boom" scores that last td and he sprints on the field from the sideline after totally seperating himself and of course that was a mystery to me?? I can't recall anyone coming out and saying why he was hurt??? I mean this could be your last game as a Buckeye and your team mates and your hanging out with Lebron???The media here also had speculated and I believe the story that Tress had to always try to motivate and challenge "Beanie" to pratice and at times to play. I know his spring practice habits where less than stellar and there a ton of weeks he was sitting out practices during the week and yet play in games. I was not there myself, but it sure appeared that way and Tress is never going to ever come out publically ,but my OPINION is that it seemed Tress would lay hints out there about "Beanie" and it seemed that maybe Tress was using the media to motivate Wells. What's up with all the mystery injuries??? I mean even after the games are over and the season is done???? No one seems to want to come out and say what(i'm talking about OSU medical people) was wrong with Beanie on more than one occasion and even now for god's sake, because they don't want to say alot of injuries was in "Beanie's" head. The media would speculate injuries, however I can recall never knowing why Beanie was pulled in games. Did Beanie show up in big games??? "Yep" but where was he against Illinois 2007 sitting. Michigan??? I love him totally destroying Michigan, HOWEVEVR Michigan has not been Michigan lately. The Big Ten has not been the Big Ten lately, but that is another topic. "Beanie" seemed to me, to be more about Beanie than the team. I'm not saying he did not have his good games and moments of explosion when he wanted to be a explosive back. I'm saying that my OPINION was and is that he was one of those players that would "skeet" through spring ball and pratice weeks and then be ready for gameday too then play and go periods of time of looking dinged and pulling himself out of games to dissappear for long periods of time to return and be explosive again. I also hold the OPINION that fatigue was the real reason for pulling himself out and that the fatigue was from being winded from skeeting practices during the week. "Beanie" at USC seemed pretty relaxed and enjoying the game even though we were getting pummeled. "Beanie waiving his towel early in the game to motivate his team mates and then sitting hanging out all smiles as the score was gettiing out of hand once again seperated from the team at the end of the bench. "Beanie" made a huge deal about not playing and how he wish he could and begging Tress to let hm play...blah...blah blah his actions seemed louder than words to me. I got the sense he was relieved to not be going against that USC defense myself. Can I lay out exact facts to his heart and attitude "no", but my feeling from observation is "Beanie's" heart and attitude can be a issue and should be questioned by real gms. I can see a risk that "Beanie" gets that big pay day and goes Hollywood on the team that drafts him. FF wise I hope to see him in a RBBC myself. I think this is the best option for him. Wells can't make it through 12 games in college "EVER" what makes some team think he can go 17 and beyond!!!!I hate the Wells and AP comparisions as well....Not even close to the same the animal. Wells won't hold AP's jock.

Great write up here. It is very good to get a fan's perspective but I can definetly tell it is a fan of Ohio State's perspective. "Fan" is short for "fanatic: (Colin Colherd's favorite line) and you can tell you have a little hatred for the guy cause he didn't help YOUR team win. I believe in the Texas game "Beannie" didn't play the 2nd half due to a concussion. He tore them up n the first half. What if, and just thinking hypothetically here, what if Beannie didn't play as hard as possible because he wanted to stay as healthy as possible for the pro's and the big pay day. If you remember correctly the knock on ADP was that he couldn't stay healthy either but a great talent when he did. By no means am I comparing the two because I also think ADP is light years' ahead of Wells in talent. But the same arguement people had about ADP sounds very familiar with Wells. Now I do think that Wells looked a little lazy in college but let's see when the $$$$ starts coming in and see if he reacts another way.If somehow, he ends up in Cleveland (assuming he falls into the second which isn't likely or Cleveland trades down to 10-14 area in th draft) now Buffalo depending on the status of Lynch, SD, NY Jets, or Arizona I think he will be a star in 2 to 3 years.Again I kind of agree with you on some things but when the talent is there you have to take a chance sometimes and the talent is there.I think he'll end up in Arizona personally at teh end of the first round.

 

[Blackjacks]

Well, I'll start with the fact that he looked like he was dinged up in most of his games and he would pull himself out with what looked like minor dings. I would sit there "wondering" and saying where's "Beanie"??? I'm not saying he would not return, however there would be long streches that "Beanie" would dissapear. I notice that he seperated himself in good times and bad from his team mates. Texas game this year wa a perfect example of "Beanie" when he removed himself totally away from the team to sit with Lebron and hang out at the end of the bench and "Boom" scores that last td and he sprints on the field from the sideline after totally seperating himself and of course that was a mystery to me?? I can't recall anyone coming out and saying why he was hurt??? I mean this could be your last game as a Buckeye and your team mates and your hanging out with Lebron???The media here also had speculated and I believe the story that Tress had to always try to motivate and challenge "Beanie" to pratice and at times to play. I know his spring practice habits where less than stellar and there a ton of weeks he was sitting out practices during the week and yet play in games. I was not there myself, but it sure appeared that way and Tress is never going to ever come out publically ,but my OPINION is that it seemed Tress would lay hints out there about "Beanie" and it seemed that maybe Tress was using the media to motivate Wells. What's up with all the mystery injuries??? I mean even after the games are over and the season is done???? No one seems to want to come out and say what(i'm talking about OSU medical people) was wrong with Beanie on more than one occasion and even now for god's sake, because they don't want to say alot of injuries was in "Beanie's" head. The media would speculate injuries, however I can recall never knowing why Beanie was pulled in games. Did Beanie show up in big games??? "Yep" but where was he against Illinois 2007 sitting. Michigan??? I love him totally destroying Michigan, HOWEVEVR Michigan has not been Michigan lately. The Big Ten has not been the Big Ten lately, but that is another topic. "Beanie" seemed to me, to be more about Beanie than the team. I'm not saying he did not have his good games and moments of explosion when he wanted to be a explosive back. I'm saying that my OPINION was and is that he was one of those players that would "skeet" through spring ball and pratice weeks and then be ready for gameday too then play and go periods of time of looking dinged and pulling himself out of games to dissappear for long periods of time to return and be explosive again. I also hold the OPINION that fatigue was the real reason for pulling himself out and that the fatigue was from being winded from skeeting practices during the week. "Beanie" at USC seemed pretty relaxed and enjoying the game even though we were getting pummeled. "Beanie waiving his towel early in the game to motivate his team mates and then sitting hanging out all smiles as the score was gettiing out of hand once again seperated from the team at the end of the bench. "Beanie" made a huge deal about not playing and how he wish he could and begging Tress to let hm play...blah...blah blah his actions seemed louder than words to me. I got the sense he was relieved to not be going against that USC defense myself. Can I lay out exact facts to his heart and attitude "no", but my feeling from observation is "Beanie's" heart and attitude can be a issue and should be questioned by real gms. I can see a risk that "Beanie" gets that big pay day and goes Hollywood on the team that drafts him. FF wise I hope to see him in a RBBC myself. I think this is the best option for him. Wells can't make it through 12 games in college "EVER" what makes some team think he can go 17 and beyond!!!!I hate the Wells and AP comparisions as well....Not even close to the same the animal. Wells won't hold AP's jock.

Great write up here. It is very good to get a fan's perspective but I can definetly tell it is a fan of Ohio State's perspective. "Fan" is short for "fanatic: (Colin Colherd's favorite line) and you can tell you have a little hatred for the guy cause he didn't help YOUR team win. I believe in the Texas game "Beannie" didn't play the 2nd half due to a concussion. He tore them up n the first half. What if, and just thinking hypothetically here, what if Beannie didn't play as hard as possible because he wanted to stay as healthy as possible for the pro's and the big pay day. If you remember correctly the knock on ADP was that he couldn't stay healthy either but a great talent when he did. By no means am I comparing the two because I also think ADP is light years' ahead of Wells in talent. But the same arguement people had about ADP sounds very familiar with Wells. Now I do think that Wells looked a little lazy in college but let's see when the $$$$ starts coming in and see if he reacts another way.If somehow, he ends up in Cleveland (assuming he falls into the second which isn't likely or Cleveland trades down to 10-14 area in th draft) now Buffalo depending on the status of Lynch, SD, NY Jets, or Arizona I think he will be a star in 2 to 3 years.Again I kind of agree with you on some things but when the talent is there you have to take a chance sometimes and the talent is there.I think he'll end up in Arizona personally at teh end of the first round.

 

[MAC_32]

Well, I'll start with the fact that he looked like he was dinged up in most of his games and he would pull himself out with what looked like minor dings. I would sit there "wondering" and saying where's "Beanie"??? I'm not saying he would not return, however there would be long streches that "Beanie" would dissapear. I notice that he seperated himself in good times and bad from his team mates. Texas game this year wa a perfect example of "Beanie" when he removed himself totally away from the team to sit with Lebron and hang out at the end of the bench and "Boom" scores that last td and he sprints on the field from the sideline after totally seperating himself and of course that was a mystery to me?? I can't recall anyone coming out and saying why he was hurt??? I mean this could be your last game as a Buckeye and your team mates and your hanging out with Lebron???The media here also had speculated and I believe the story that Tress had to always try to motivate and challenge "Beanie" to pratice and at times to play. I know his spring practice habits where less than stellar and there a ton of weeks he was sitting out practices during the week and yet play in games. I was not there myself, but it sure appeared that way and Tress is never going to ever come out publically ,but my OPINION is that it seemed Tress would lay hints out there about "Beanie" and it seemed that maybe Tress was using the media to motivate Wells. What's up with all the mystery injuries??? I mean even after the games are over and the season is done???? No one seems to want to come out and say what(i'm talking about OSU medical people) was wrong with Beanie on more than one occasion and even now for god's sake, because they don't want to say alot of injuries was in "Beanie's" head. The media would speculate injuries, however I can recall never knowing why Beanie was pulled in games. Did Beanie show up in big games??? "Yep" but where was he against Illinois 2007 sitting. Michigan??? I love him totally destroying Michigan, HOWEVEVR Michigan has not been Michigan lately. The Big Ten has not been the Big Ten lately, but that is another topic. "Beanie" seemed to me, to be more about Beanie than the team. I'm not saying he did not have his good games and moments of explosion when he wanted to be a explosive back. I'm saying that my OPINION was and is that he was one of those players that would "skeet" through spring ball and pratice weeks and then be ready for gameday too then play and go periods of time of looking dinged and pulling himself out of games to dissappear for long periods of time to return and be explosive again. I also hold the OPINION that fatigue was the real reason for pulling himself out and that the fatigue was from being winded from skeeting practices during the week. "Beanie" at USC seemed pretty relaxed and enjoying the game even though we were getting pummeled. "Beanie waiving his towel early in the game to motivate his team mates and then sitting hanging out all smiles as the score was gettiing out of hand once again seperated from the team at the end of the bench. "Beanie" made a huge deal about not playing and how he wish he could and begging Tress to let hm play...blah...blah blah his actions seemed louder than words to me. I got the sense he was relieved to not be going against that USC defense myself. Can I lay out exact facts to his heart and attitude "no", but my feeling from observation is "Beanie's" heart and attitude can be a issue and should be questioned by real gms. I can see a risk that "Beanie" gets that big pay day and goes Hollywood on the team that drafts him. FF wise I hope to see him in a RBBC myself. I think this is the best option for him. Wells can't make it through 12 games in college "EVER" what makes some team think he can go 17 and beyond!!!!I hate the Wells and AP comparisions as well....Not even close to the same the animal. Wells won't hold AP's jock.

 

[Cookiemonster]

I'll take one of my favorite lines of the season when (was is one of the Sharpes or Deion?) said, "Lots of money makes you a bigger... whatever you are."

Personally, I liked the other Big 10 back more. The one who won the Doak, in the same division. The dumb one, who was ineligible to play in '07. The one who moved furniture to pay his way, and had to work himself back to where he is. The one that you know loves to play, and will do what it takes to play. Go ahead and snipe him for his poor 40, but I'll tell you this. A 4.65 RB will run a lot further when a FS is laying on the ground, seeing stars, than a 4.40 RB will that tries to juke him and fails.

Greene is a power back that runs like a power back. Wells is an oversized finesse back that doesn't have the mobility of a finesse back. He's McFadden + 25 pounds. Good speed. Good acceleration. Great stiffarm. Less than adequate shakes or tackle-breaking power. The same people will have Beanie rated #1 that had McFadden #1 last year. You can fall in love with potential - like a lot of head coaches and GMs - or you can bank on the proven skill sets like Stewart, Rice, Johnson, Moreno. One could be HUGE, or could bust. The other will be good, but nothing special. If you already have a solid roster and can afford to swing for the fences, I wouldn't fault you for liking Beanie. I think there are too many red flags for my taste, and would likely take 5 or 6 other rookies before him. Most of us picking in the top 4 don't have the luxury of swinging for the fences and need to take the safer, building-block type player to get the poor team competitive again. I think instead of the risky Buckeye at 1.01, I'd rather have Crabtree or Moreno. If you don't like them, you'd be safer with trying to trade down for two later picks and try to land Harvin/Maclin/Brown (1.06ish) and Greene (or Jennings or Nicks or whoever you like at the 1.07 to 1.10 area)

 

[PahtyTom]

Who cares what he ran at his pro day? He ran pretty good times at the combine, and those are actually comparable to his counterparts who ran on the same turf and under the same circumstances.

IMO he's a very good player, with the upside of someone like Larry Johnson. Based on his injury history, I wouldn't draft him in the first round of the NFL draft though. A RB has to be a clear stud or freakish athlete to warrant that. I don't see that in Wells. He's not an Adrian Peterson on the field, or a Chris Johnson at the combine, but he's certainly not Maurice Clarett or William Green either. Overall a very good RB prospect, with a few question marks.

 

[az_prof]

How close is McCoy to Moreno and Wells at this point?

 

[fruity pebbles]

How close is McCoy to Moreno and Wells at this point?

imo not very. good back but too small for my tastes. Only two guys in the NFL who have had success at his size and build are Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson. Both freakishly fast which i dont see when watching McCoy. He has a small build and i don't think he can put on much more weight before losing agility. Looks like a WR playing RB. Reminds me of Norwood more than anyone.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

How close is McCoy to Moreno and Wells at this point?

imo not very. good back but too small for my tastes. Only two guys in the NFL who have had success at his size and build are Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson. Both freakishly fast which i dont see when watching McCoy. He has a small build and i don't think he can put on much more weight before losing agility. Looks like a WR playing RB. Reminds me of Norwood more than anyone.

McCoy's playing weight at Pittsburgh before getting the flu was 210 lbs. Plenty big enough. I also like that he's 5'11" and not something like 6'1"". He has plenty of burst, even if his top end speed isn't elite. He will run in the high 4.4s or 4.5. Not bad considering his vision is top notch. IMO he has more upside than any back in the draft. That doesn't mean he will reach it however. I like him more than Brown, Green, and maybe even Wells in a PPR league.ETA: I haven't decide yet, but I may just like him more than Moreno also.

 

[fruity pebbles]

How close is McCoy to Moreno and Wells at this point?

imo not very. good back but too small for my tastes. Only two guys in the NFL who have had success at his size and build are Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson. Both freakishly fast which i dont see when watching McCoy. He has a small build and i don't think he can put on much more weight before losing agility. Looks like a WR playing RB. Reminds me of Norwood more than anyone.

McCoy's playing weight at Pittsburgh before getting the flu was 210 lbs. Plenty big enough. I also like that he's 5'11" and not something like 6'1"". He has plenty of burst, even if his top end speed isn't elite. He will run in the high 4.4s or 4.5. Not bad considering his vision is top notch. IMO he has more upside than any back in the draft. That doesn't mean he will reach it however. I like him more than Brown, Green, and maybe even Wells in a PPR league.ETA: I haven't decide yet, but I may just like him more than Moreno also.

He was 210 cause he says he was 210? I don't believe it. Not by looking at him. You don't lose 12 pounds with the flu, if he even had the flu. Who says he didn't bulk up to 198? He looked like between 190-200 pounds. He has a small frame and looks thin to me, just my opinion, think what you want. Reminds me very much of Norwood.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

How close is McCoy to Moreno and Wells at this point?

imo not very. good back but too small for my tastes. Only two guys in the NFL who have had success at his size and build are Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson. Both freakishly fast which i dont see when watching McCoy. He has a small build and i don't think he can put on much more weight before losing agility. Looks like a WR playing RB. Reminds me of Norwood more than anyone.

McCoy's playing weight at Pittsburgh before getting the flu was 210 lbs. Plenty big enough. I also like that he's 5'11" and not something like 6'1"". He has plenty of burst, even if his top end speed isn't elite. He will run in the high 4.4s or 4.5. Not bad considering his vision is top notch. IMO he has more upside than any back in the draft. That doesn't mean he will reach it however. I like him more than Brown, Green, and maybe even Wells in a PPR league.ETA: I haven't decide yet, but I may just like him more than Moreno also.

He was 210 cause he says he was 210? I don't believe it. Not by looking at him. You don't lose 12 pounds with the flu, if he even had the flu. Who says he didn't bulk up to 198? He looked like between 190-200 pounds. He has a small frame and looks thin to me, just my opinion, think what you want. Reminds me very much of Norwood.

Yep, you said that. Take a look at this and tell me he isn't a tough runner. He doesn't look thin to me in these videos.McCoy has nice size, but it's his initial burst that makes him a big play RB.

"He displays good lateral mobility and toughness inside, and has the speed to explode into the second level. Still, he needs to become a bit more patient at the line of scrimmage. " - Michael Lombardi of National Football Post

Pittsburgh RB LeSean McCoy Sophmore Season Highlights

 

[MAC_32]

How close is McCoy to Moreno and Wells at this point?

imo not very. good back but too small for my tastes. Only two guys in the NFL who have had success at his size and build are Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson. Both freakishly fast which i dont see when watching McCoy. He has a small build and i don't think he can put on much more weight before losing agility. Looks like a WR playing RB. Reminds me of Norwood more than anyone.

McCoy's playing weight at Pittsburgh before getting the flu was 210 lbs. Plenty big enough. I also like that he's 5'11" and not something like 6'1"". He has plenty of burst, even if his top end speed isn't elite. He will run in the high 4.4s or 4.5. Not bad considering his vision is top notch. IMO he has more upside than any back in the draft. That doesn't mean he will reach it however. I like him more than Brown, Green, and maybe even Wells in a PPR league.ETA: I haven't decide yet, but I may just like him more than Moreno also.

He was 210 cause he says he was 210? I don't believe it. Not by looking at him. You don't lose 12 pounds with the flu, if he even had the flu. Who says he didn't bulk up to 198? He looked like between 190-200 pounds. He has a small frame and looks thin to me, just my opinion, think what you want. Reminds me very much of Norwood.

Yes you can-Colt Brennan

 

[fruity pebbles]

How close is McCoy to Moreno and Wells at this point?

imo not very. good back but too small for my tastes. Only two guys in the NFL who have had success at his size and build are Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson. Both freakishly fast which i dont see when watching McCoy. He has a small build and i don't think he can put on much more weight before losing agility. Looks like a WR playing RB. Reminds me of Norwood more than anyone.

McCoy's playing weight at Pittsburgh before getting the flu was 210 lbs. Plenty big enough. I also like that he's 5'11" and not something like 6'1"". He has plenty of burst, even if his top end speed isn't elite. He will run in the high 4.4s or 4.5. Not bad considering his vision is top notch. IMO he has more upside than any back in the draft. That doesn't mean he will reach it however. I like him more than Brown, Green, and maybe even Wells in a PPR league.ETA: I haven't decide yet, but I may just like him more than Moreno also.

He was 210 cause he says he was 210? I don't believe it. Not by looking at him. You don't lose 12 pounds with the flu, if he even had the flu. Who says he didn't bulk up to 198? He looked like between 190-200 pounds. He has a small frame and looks thin to me, just my opinion, think what you want. Reminds me very much of Norwood.

Yep, you said that. Take a look at this and tell me he isn't a tough runner. He doesn't look thin to me in these videos.Pittsburgh RB LeSean McCoy Sophmore Season Highlights

without his pads on, he looks like a CB.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

How close is McCoy to Moreno and Wells at this point?

imo not very. good back but too small for my tastes. Only two guys in the NFL who have had success at his size and build are Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson. Both freakishly fast which i dont see when watching McCoy. He has a small build and i don't think he can put on much more weight before losing agility. Looks like a WR playing RB. Reminds me of Norwood more than anyone.

McCoy's playing weight at Pittsburgh before getting the flu was 210 lbs. Plenty big enough. I also like that he's 5'11" and not something like 6'1"". He has plenty of burst, even if his top end speed isn't elite. He will run in the high 4.4s or 4.5. Not bad considering his vision is top notch. IMO he has more upside than any back in the draft. That doesn't mean he will reach it however. I like him more than Brown, Green, and maybe even Wells in a PPR league.ETA: I haven't decide yet, but I may just like him more than Moreno also.

He was 210 cause he says he was 210? I don't believe it. Not by looking at him. You don't lose 12 pounds with the flu, if he even had the flu. Who says he didn't bulk up to 198? He looked like between 190-200 pounds. He has a small frame and looks thin to me, just my opinion, think what you want. Reminds me very much of Norwood.

Yep, you said that. Take a look at this and tell me he isn't a tough runner. He doesn't look thin to me in these videos.Pittsburgh RB LeSean McCoy Sophmore Season Highlights

without his pads on, he looks like a CB.

Ok then, go ahead and draft Shonn Green over McCoy, he has nice size I'm not here to try and convince you otherwise.

 

[fruity pebbles]

How close is McCoy to Moreno and Wells at this point?

imo not very. good back but too small for my tastes. Only two guys in the NFL who have had success at his size and build are Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson. Both freakishly fast which i dont see when watching McCoy. He has a small build and i don't think he can put on much more weight before losing agility. Looks like a WR playing RB. Reminds me of Norwood more than anyone.

McCoy's playing weight at Pittsburgh before getting the flu was 210 lbs. Plenty big enough. I also like that he's 5'11" and not something like 6'1"". He has plenty of burst, even if his top end speed isn't elite. He will run in the high 4.4s or 4.5. Not bad considering his vision is top notch. IMO he has more upside than any back in the draft. That doesn't mean he will reach it however. I like him more than Brown, Green, and maybe even Wells in a PPR league.ETA: I haven't decide yet, but I may just like him more than Moreno also.

He was 210 cause he says he was 210? I don't believe it. Not by looking at him. You don't lose 12 pounds with the flu, if he even had the flu. Who says he didn't bulk up to 198? He looked like between 190-200 pounds. He has a small frame and looks thin to me, just my opinion, think what you want. Reminds me very much of Norwood.

Yep, you said that. Take a look at this and tell me he isn't a tough runner. He doesn't look thin to me in these videos.Pittsburgh RB LeSean McCoy Sophmore Season Highlights

without his pads on, he looks like a CB.

Ok then, go ahead and draft Shonn Green over McCoy, he has nice size I'm not here to try and convince you otherwise.

I might. Here's a photo without pads. Probably not super recent but its his frame that worries me and that doesnt change.http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...sa%3DX%26um%3D1

 

[Burning Sensation]

How close is McCoy to Moreno and Wells at this point?

imo not very. good back but too small for my tastes. Only two guys in the NFL who have had success at his size and build are Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson. Both freakishly fast which i dont see when watching McCoy. He has a small build and i don't think he can put on much more weight before losing agility. Looks like a WR playing RB. Reminds me of Norwood more than anyone.

McCoy's playing weight at Pittsburgh before getting the flu was 210 lbs. Plenty big enough. I also like that he's 5'11" and not something like 6'1"". He has plenty of burst, even if his top end speed isn't elite. He will run in the high 4.4s or 4.5. Not bad considering his vision is top notch. IMO he has more upside than any back in the draft. That doesn't mean he will reach it however. I like him more than Brown, Green, and maybe even Wells in a PPR league.ETA: I haven't decide yet, but I may just like him more than Moreno also.

He was 210 cause he says he was 210? I don't believe it. Not by looking at him. You don't lose 12 pounds with the flu, if he even had the flu. Who says he didn't bulk up to 198? He looked like between 190-200 pounds. He has a small frame and looks thin to me, just my opinion, think what you want. Reminds me very much of Norwood.

Yep, you said that. Take a look at this and tell me he isn't a tough runner. He doesn't look thin to me in these videos.Pittsburgh RB LeSean McCoy Sophmore Season Highlights

without his pads on, he looks like a CB.

Ok then, go ahead and draft Shonn Green over McCoy, he has nice size I'm not here to try and convince you otherwise.

I might. Here's a photo without pads. Probably not super recent but its his frame that worries me and that doesnt change.http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...sa%3DX%26um%3D1

Didnt we go over this last year with Mcfadden, Forte, Johnson and Slaton?

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

How close is McCoy to Moreno and Wells at this point?

imo not very. good back but too small for my tastes. Only two guys in the NFL who have had success at his size and build are Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson. Both freakishly fast which i dont see when watching McCoy. He has a small build and i don't think he can put on much more weight before losing agility. Looks like a WR playing RB. Reminds me of Norwood more than anyone.

McCoy's playing weight at Pittsburgh before getting the flu was 210 lbs. Plenty big enough. I also like that he's 5'11" and not something like 6'1"". He has plenty of burst, even if his top end speed isn't elite. He will run in the high 4.4s or 4.5. Not bad considering his vision is top notch. IMO he has more upside than any back in the draft. That doesn't mean he will reach it however. I like him more than Brown, Green, and maybe even Wells in a PPR league.ETA: I haven't decide yet, but I may just like him more than Moreno also.

He was 210 cause he says he was 210? I don't believe it. Not by looking at him. You don't lose 12 pounds with the flu, if he even had the flu. Who says he didn't bulk up to 198? He looked like between 190-200 pounds. He has a small frame and looks thin to me, just my opinion, think what you want. Reminds me very much of Norwood.

Yep, you said that. Take a look at this and tell me he isn't a tough runner. He doesn't look thin to me in these videos.Pittsburgh RB LeSean McCoy Sophmore Season Highlights

without his pads on, he looks like a CB.

Ok then, go ahead and draft Shonn Green over McCoy, he has nice size I'm not here to try and convince you otherwise.

I might. Here's a photo without pads. Probably not super recent but its his frame that worries me and that doesnt change.http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...sa%3DX%26um%3D1

You've been listening to FBGs that worry about body types too much. Besides, his body type is pretty good IMO. Certainly better than someone too tall. A 5'11"" 200+ RB who runs tough in the middle, has good vision, and good burst is a pretty damn good RB prospect in my book. I can respect your opinion however.

 

[fruity pebbles]

How close is McCoy to Moreno and Wells at this point?

imo not very. good back but too small for my tastes. Only two guys in the NFL who have had success at his size and build are Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson. Both freakishly fast which i dont see when watching McCoy. He has a small build and i don't think he can put on much more weight before losing agility. Looks like a WR playing RB. Reminds me of Norwood more than anyone.

McCoy's playing weight at Pittsburgh before getting the flu was 210 lbs. Plenty big enough. I also like that he's 5'11" and not something like 6'1"". He has plenty of burst, even if his top end speed isn't elite. He will run in the high 4.4s or 4.5. Not bad considering his vision is top notch. IMO he has more upside than any back in the draft. That doesn't mean he will reach it however. I like him more than Brown, Green, and maybe even Wells in a PPR league.ETA: I haven't decide yet, but I may just like him more than Moreno also.

He was 210 cause he says he was 210? I don't believe it. Not by looking at him. You don't lose 12 pounds with the flu, if he even had the flu. Who says he didn't bulk up to 198? He looked like between 190-200 pounds. He has a small frame and looks thin to me, just my opinion, think what you want. Reminds me very much of Norwood.

Yep, you said that. Take a look at this and tell me he isn't a tough runner. He doesn't look thin to me in these videos.Pittsburgh RB LeSean McCoy Sophmore Season Highlights

without his pads on, he looks like a CB.

Ok then, go ahead and draft Shonn Green over McCoy, he has nice size I'm not here to try and convince you otherwise.

I might. Here's a photo without pads. Probably not super recent but its his frame that worries me and that doesnt change.http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...sa%3DX%26um%3D1

Didnt we go over this last year with Mcfadden, Forte, Johnson and Slaton?

So? Chris Johnson broke the mold. He also ran a 4.2 forty. Name me a couple more guys who have succeeded at the NFL level as more than just the lightening in a committee at over 5'10 and under 205 pounds

 

[Burning Sensation]

How close is McCoy to Moreno and Wells at this point?

imo not very. good back but too small for my tastes. Only two guys in the NFL who have had success at his size and build are Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson. Both freakishly fast which i dont see when watching McCoy. He has a small build and i don't think he can put on much more weight before losing agility. Looks like a WR playing RB. Reminds me of Norwood more than anyone.

McCoy's playing weight at Pittsburgh before getting the flu was 210 lbs. Plenty big enough. I also like that he's 5'11" and not something like 6'1"". He has plenty of burst, even if his top end speed isn't elite. He will run in the high 4.4s or 4.5. Not bad considering his vision is top notch. IMO he has more upside than any back in the draft. That doesn't mean he will reach it however. I like him more than Brown, Green, and maybe even Wells in a PPR league.ETA: I haven't decide yet, but I may just like him more than Moreno also.

He was 210 cause he says he was 210? I don't believe it. Not by looking at him. You don't lose 12 pounds with the flu, if he even had the flu. Who says he didn't bulk up to 198? He looked like between 190-200 pounds. He has a small frame and looks thin to me, just my opinion, think what you want. Reminds me very much of Norwood.

Yep, you said that. Take a look at this and tell me he isn't a tough runner. He doesn't look thin to me in these videos.Pittsburgh RB LeSean McCoy Sophmore Season Highlights

without his pads on, he looks like a CB.

Ok then, go ahead and draft Shonn Green over McCoy, he has nice size I'm not here to try and convince you otherwise.

I might. Here's a photo without pads. Probably not super recent but its his frame that worries me and that doesnt change.http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...sa%3DX%26um%3D1

Didnt we go over this last year with Mcfadden, Forte, Johnson and Slaton?

So? Chris Johnson broke the mold. He also ran a 4.2 forty. Name me a couple more guys who have succeeded at the NFL level as more than just the lightening in a committee at over 5'10 and under 205 pounds

I did this last season to the point of wanting to throw up. I am not playing this game again. You want some proof, use the search function, or just go ahead and draft some bigger less talented back. Either way, i am not spending another offseason debating this.

 

[az_prof]

I'm not super high on Wells myself and have posted my reason's why numerous times.

I have seen every game he played in college and I like what Wells did against Michigan, however if I'm looking at the whole picture he needs to be in a RBBC to be succesful in the NFL and his attitude sucks and I feel he's a prima donna as a whole. "Beanie" will do well in spurts and I also feel it's unfair to say he can't and won't catch the ball since really it's not what OSU does with it's offense.

I myself would not touch him as a real gm in the NFL as a top 15 pick, but I'm not a real gm.

He would not be a top 3 pick on my board FF wise either. I'm not high on Big Ten backs as a whole to be honest.

I hope I'm wrong, because he's a Buckeye , but there you go.

I don't like to classify a whole group - position/conference, but I feel much the same way. Aside from Marion Barber there hasn't been a lot of success there. Even Barber isn't all that exceptional (yet anyway)

Larry Johnson? I like Maroney too but I guess he isn't looking as good now as he did his rookie year.

 

[Lucky Lefty]

To me, Wells was a virtual lock to post much better numbers today than he did at the combine. I posted this in the combine thread:

Sometimes you can tell just by watching a player run their 40 that they are faster than they look on this particular day. Manningham last year was a great example. Wells just doesn't look comfortable at all running today. I think he will run at the OSU pro-day and perform better.Bottom line, look back at his game tape. You'll see runs against schools like LSU where he runs away from people and doesn't get caught from behind.

Looks like I found my co-pilot for the Beanie Wells spaceship(cause he's fast) bandwagon.Special thanks to BS for the sig material.

Youre welcome for the sig!!Having you disagree with me about draft prospects enforces my opinions even more. Some quotes from you last year:

absolutely brilliant with Malcolm Kelly as the #1 WR, I agree 100%

I actually think Forte is going to be a major bust, not only Benson stunk in Chicago, they all stunk in Chicago and I don't think Forte is very good at all

Even with Chris Johnson being drafted high, I agree with the low ranking, I think he brings something special (speed) but it's not going to equate into much fantasywise.

I would seriously be stunned if Forte/Johnson/Smith all finished ahead of Dmac, actually I'd be stunned if any of them finished ahead of Dmac

I am taking bets on ROY, I will take McFadden over anyone who wants to pick Forte, it just seems like stealing to me, I'll wager whatever you want.

 

[H8fulHuck]

If you don't have enough confidence to post your true feelings on a player, it might be best for you to find another board. If you want to come in here an intentionally post misinformation, definitely find another board. TIA.J

Hey Joe,It won't happen again. That was all last year and I apologize for that. Chachi

Were you able to type this statement with a straight face? You clearly expressed that you intentionally use the board to mistlead others in an attempt to help yourself. How will that change in the weeks leading up to your drafts this year?

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Can I lay out exact facts to his heart and attitude "no", but my feeling from observation is "Beanie's" heart and attitude can be a issue and should be questioned by real gms. I can see a risk that "Beanie" gets that big pay day and goes Hollywood on the team that drafts him.

I kind of though that was the case. You seem to blame Wells for OSU's failures. I blame Tressel. Every OSU fan blames someone. I'm going to pick apart some of your factual statements since most were just opinion.

Well, I'll start with the fact that he looked like he was dinged up in most of his games and he would pull himself out with what looked like minor dings. I would sit there "wondering" and saying where's "Beanie"??? I'm not saying he would not return, however there would be long streches that "Beanie" would dissapear.

This is what makes me wonder if you watched the games without a pre-formed idea about Wells. I don't remember him being dinged up in most games and pulling himself out for long stretches. So I checked.Youngstown St - Wells 13 carries. The game was 43-0. I don't care who pulled him out.Ohio - Wells 9 carries. This is the game he injured his ankle/foot.USC - Missed.Troy - Missed.Minnesota - Wells 14 carries. First game back. Didn't play in the 4th quarter but did he need to? The score was 34-6 at that point.Wisconsin - Wells 22 carries. Mo Wells, 1 carry. Not sure when he could have pulled himself here.Purdue - Wells 22 carries. 5 for Mo, scattered throughout the game. No long absence.Mich St - Wells 31 carries. Mo, 5 and Saine 4, last 2 drives. The game ended 45-7.Penn St - Wells 22 carries. None for any other RB.Northwestern - Wells 28 carries. 10 for others, most in last 2 drives. Wells played into the 4th until it was 38-10.Illinois - Wells 24 carries. Herron 12, 9 in the 4th (last 2 drives, score was 30-13).Michigan - 15 carries. Played until the 4th. Lots of carries for all in the blowout.Texas - 16 carries. Left with a concussion. Missed most of 2nd half.So, just where were those long absences again?

I know his spring practice habits where less than stellar and there a ton of weeks he was sitting out practices during the week and yet play in games.What's up with all the mystery injuries???

OK, did you happen to see the - I'll call it a ski boot - that he wore during the games this year? That might explain why he didn't practice much. What was a mystery about his injuries? Do you think he really wasn't injured that bad? Do you think he would jeopardize his draft standing by wearing that thing on his foot all year? Really? It doesn't seem like a guy who was all about himself would do that. As for the concussion, players don't get to make that call anymore. If he was as self centered as you suggest, don't you think he would have loved to put up a 200 yard game against Texas? Because that's what he was headed for when he left the game. Nothing would have helped him more.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

I had to do this in 2 posts because I went "over the allowable quotes for a post". I hope this isn't an improvement to the 'new' Shark Pool.

FF wise I hope to see him in a RBBC myself. I think this is the best option for him.

I agree he will start that way. I don't know whether he is good at coming out of the backfield or pass protecting because he was never really used that way in college. 3rd downs at OSU were usually QB rollouts with a pass/run option. We'll have to wait and see. But, there are a lot of backs who don't start out that way. Including AP.

 

[H8fulHuck]

From what I've seen and heard, he doesn't get caught from behind when it counts. The new 40 time just confirms what the teams were thinking about the kid. It will be interseting to see where he lands to help project the fantasy value.

 

[Liquid Tension]

40 yd dash = 4.39 first attempt4.38 second attemptBrian Hartline, Brian Robiskie, & Malcolm Jenkins were ALL in the 4.49 to 4.54 range.

I still don't understand why guys don't run with "standard" pads on? Some guys carry that weight much better. I would probably force them to run wit a ball in their hands as well. if I were working out players, that is what I would do.Anyway, I have seen people say things like beanie didn't prepare for his first run and this time he prepared. How the heck do you not prepare the first time? Doesn't that give you some reason for pause?

 

[identikit]

40 yd dash = 4.39 first attempt4.38 second attemptBrian Hartline, Brian Robiskie, & Malcolm Jenkins were ALL in the 4.49 to 4.54 range.

I still don't understand why guys don't run with "standard" pads on? Some guys carry that weight much better. I would probably force them to run wit a ball in their hands as well. if I were working out players, that is what I would do.Anyway, I have seen people say things like beanie didn't prepare for his first run and this time he prepared. How the heck do you not prepare the first time? Doesn't that give you some reason for pause?

The biggest interview (thus far) of his life and (IMO) he shows up less-than-prepared.My biggest worry with him is his mindset.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

40 yd dash = 4.39 first attempt

4.38 second attempt

Brian Hartline, Brian Robiskie, & Malcolm Jenkins were ALL in the 4.49 to 4.54 range.

I still don't understand why guys don't run with "standard" pads on? Some guys carry that weight much better. I would probably force them to run wit a ball in their hands as well. if I were working out players, that is what I would do.Anyway, I have seen people say things like beanie didn't prepare for his first run and this time he prepared. How the heck do you not prepare the first time? Doesn't that give you some reason for pause?

Again, the NFL Network said his time was 4.43, not 4.39 or 4.38. I agree with you about reason for pause for him not being prepared the first time.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

40 yd dash = 4.39 first attempt

4.38 second attempt

Brian Hartline, Brian Robiskie, & Malcolm Jenkins were ALL in the 4.49 to 4.54 range.

I still don't understand why guys don't run with "standard" pads on? Some guys carry that weight much better. I would probably force them to run wit a ball in their hands as well. if I were working out players, that is what I would do.Anyway, I have seen people say things like beanie didn't prepare for his first run and this time he prepared. How the heck do you not prepare the first time? Doesn't that give you some reason for pause?

The biggest interview (thus far) of his life and (IMO) he shows up less-than-prepared.

My biggest worry with him is his mindset. - Mine too

 

[zed2283]

Yep, you said that. Take a look at this and tell me he isn't a tough runner. He doesn't look thin to me in these videos.

McCoy has nice size, but it's his initial burst that makes him a big play RB.

"He displays good lateral mobility and toughness inside, and has the speed to explode into the second level. Still, he needs to become a bit more patient at the line of scrimmage. " - Michael Lombardi of National Football Post

Pittsburgh RB LeSean McCoy Sophmore Season Highlights

Don't know if it's because of the #25 he's wearing, but he looks a lot like Reggie Bush to me (body and play). What's Bush, 6'0" 205?

 

[az_prof]

So... the moral of the story is, "Don't listen to Chachi during this time of year. In fact, you're better off if you never listen to Chachi." Thank-you for your contributions to the board. Hope you spent at least some of the $10K on a membership.

I am going to see if there is an ignore function and put him on ignore. Why listen to someone who admittedly doesn't believe what they say and who is trying to manipulate how I view a player for their own personal agenda?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Does anyone have an official ProDay time for Beanie's 40 yet?

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

Yep, you said that. Take a look at this and tell me he isn't a tough runner. He doesn't look thin to me in these videos.

McCoy has nice size, but it's his initial burst that makes him a big play RB.

"He displays good lateral mobility and toughness inside, and has the speed to explode into the second level. Still, he needs to become a bit more patient at the line of scrimmage. " - Michael Lombardi of National Football Post

Pittsburgh RB LeSean McCoy Sophmore Season Highlights

Don't know if it's because of the #25 he's wearing, but he looks a lot like Reggie Bush to me (body and play). What's Bush, 6'0" 205?

Big difference is that McCoy isn't afraid to mix it up in the middle like Bush is. Plus, Bush's legs look a lot skinnier. It's looking like last year all over again with regards to this subject. Plus McCoy isn't quite as small as CJ, and has an inch and about 20 lbs on Slaton when he's at his normal weight, and has more skills than Slaton IMO. Yet some still want to go down this road with McCoy. You guys can play this BMI dance all you want, but I'm not biting when comes to someone who's body type is not only better than CJ and Slaton, but shouldn't even be mentioned. Better yet, with today's RBs it's even less important. So go ahead and let the BMI thingy keep you in your league basement.