Beanie Wells = this year's Pierre Thomas? (1 Viewer)

[sjacksonfan]

Sweet schedule down the stretch. Looks like he's overtaken Hightower? Is this the guy who has that huge second half and puts your team over the top?

Week 11 @ St. Louis (1-8)

Week 12 @ Tennessee (3-6)

Week 13 vs Minnesota (8-1)

Week 14 @ San Francisco (4-5)

Week 15 @ Detroit (1-8)

Week 16 vs St. Louis (1-8)

Would it even matter if they clinched early? Probably would be out there either way, possibly even more reps?

 

[morris4903]

Tennessee, Minnesota, SF are good matchups?

 

[replacements]

Tennessee, Minnesota, SF are good matchups?

Maybe those are not great matchups, but Detroit and St louis are and that's money time.

 

[basher]

Tennessee, Minnesota, SF are good matchups?

Maybe those are not great matchups, but Detroit and St louis are and that's money time.

They might be money time but you also will probably need a lot of guts to play him in those games unless you have some really bad matchups.

 

[packersfan]

I thought the same thing after the Giants game and he put up a couple of clunkers in back-to-back games. I think he's very talented and he looked great today but I'm not sure he's going to be a consistent fantasy producer - even if the matchup is favorable.

 

[NatronIsMean]

I'm really hoping to rock Wells at the flex for weeks 15 and 16, but we really need him to put up another strong week next week to build on this. Wisenhut has to know that Wells gives him more than Hightower, but he's cozy with THT. If we can count on him for 2/3 of the action weeks 15 and 16, holding him all year may finally be worth it.

 

[Wrigley]

I really hope so.

Brown and Turner going down today is going to make things tough

 

[sjacksonfan]

Tennessee, Minnesota, SF are good matchups?

Tenn and SF aren't bad (Minni's stout) but even if those 3 were all tough gotta think the 2 St Louis games and the Detroit game more than make up for it. Especially having the the nice match-ups in weeks 15 & 16.

 

[gonzobill5]

I think Wells showed some toughness on the 2nd TD run that will guarantee him the majority of carries going forward.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Here is the problem the coach is facing. Wells is clearly the better runner by far. But Hightower does one thing light years ahead of Wells and that is pass protection, and with Warner Hightower is like a body guard. Slowly Wells will become a better blocker and erode Hightowers only advantage.

It will take time and maybe Wells will have a complete grasp of his assignments by the end of the year, effectively erasing the need to use Hightower as anything more than to give Wells a breather.

 

[basher]

Here is the problem the coach is facing. Wells is clearly the better runner by far. But Hightower does one thing light years ahead of Wells and that is pass protection, and with Warner Hightower is like a body guard. Slowly Wells will become a better blocker and erode Hightowers only advantage. It will take time and maybe Wells will have a complete grasp of his assignments by the end of the year, effectively erasing the need to use Hightower as anything more than to give Wells a breather.

Isn't hightower the better receiver as well? (I don't really watch many games but the few I have seen he does seem to get more targets and seems to have better hands)

 

[packersfan]

Here is the problem the coach is facing. Wells is clearly the better runner by far. But Hightower does one thing light years ahead of Wells and that is pass protection, and with Warner Hightower is like a body guard. Slowly Wells will become a better blocker and erode Hightowers only advantage. It will take time and maybe Wells will have a complete grasp of his assignments by the end of the year, effectively erasing the need to use Hightower as anything more than to give Wells a breather.

I agree (though Hightower is also the superior receiver). I think that's why, barring injury, we may not see Beanie realize his full potential until next season at the earliest. As good as Beanie has looked, I don't think Hightower is going away.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Here is the problem the coach is facing. Wells is clearly the better runner by far. But Hightower does one thing light years ahead of Wells and that is pass protection, and with Warner Hightower is like a body guard. Slowly Wells will become a better blocker and erode Hightowers only advantage. It will take time and maybe Wells will have a complete grasp of his assignments by the end of the year, effectively erasing the need to use Hightower as anything more than to give Wells a breather.

Isn't hightower the better receiver as well? (I don't really watch many games but the few I have seen he does seem to get more targets and seems to have better hands)

I have only seen 3 cards games asnd I can't tell if his receiving is because he is good or he is just always the safety valve because his pass pro skills get him on the field in all the passing situations

 

[Rushmore]

I don't think Wells has gotten many opportunities to catch passes this season, but he looked ok catching a few balls in the Giants game a few weeks ago. I think the Cards should run this horse.

 

[Inspiration]

Here is the problem the coach is facing. Wells is clearly the better runner by far. But Hightower does one thing light years ahead of Wells and that is pass protection, and with Warner Hightower is like a body guard. Slowly Wells will become a better blocker and erode Hightowers only advantage. It will take time and maybe Wells will have a complete grasp of his assignments by the end of the year, effectively erasing the need to use Hightower as anything more than to give Wells a breather.

Isn't hightower the better receiver as well? (I don't really watch many games but the few I have seen he does seem to get more targets and seems to have better hands)

Hightower's hands are nothing special (he went into this week tied for the league lead with 7 drops). That said, because Wells was never utilized in the passing game at Ohio State and hasn't had many opportunities in Arizona, I don't think anyone outside of the Cardinals' coaching staff knows if his hands are better or worse than Hightower's.

 

[Native]

Hes a good sleeper down the stretch.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Tennessee, SF are good matchups?

Both of those are.#18 and #22 at not allowing points to RBs. So in the better half of matchups in the league.Though Minnesota is #2!

Not sure where you're getting those numbers, 49ers are #4 against the run, so it is a BAD matchup. I agree with the thread though, Beanie has a great schedule.

 

[kearns]

Beanie looked unstoppable today.

I think Hightower may have lost his short yardage and goal line duties when he got stuffed on 4th and goal from the 1.... The next 4th and 1 they gave it to Beanie and he busted off a 10 yd TD.

Beanie also had a nice 23 yard reception late in the game.

If Beanie starts getting the majority of the carries he will be a fantasy stud!

 

[Bob Magaw]

wells going into beast mode just in time for the playoff run.

 

[tbglog]

I have watched every game and been to all the home games, Wells is in a different league than Hightower. We may not see his full potential this year, but after yesterdays game there has to be little doubt in the coaches mind who is the premier RB on that team. He will be a top 10 back next year barring any injuries in my opinion. Come week 15 and 16 with those match-ups he has to be considered a must start at a flex position at least if he continues to get the bulk of the carriers over the next month.

 

[Da Guru]

Tim Hightower..RIP Wells is so much more explosive.

 

[whitewizard]

start him every game from here on out. i traded him a few weeks ago and they are giving him the ball. it is time to show just how big of a moron i am, which is why wells will be the BEST back in all of football form here on out. said the bitter.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The problem with Wells is that the way the game is going really dictates how much usage he gets. When Arizona is down and has to pass, they keep Hightower in there. When they get a lead, they pound Wells. The problem is this team is so dang inconsistent you never know which you're going to get before the game starts.

Also, I'd like to comment on the pass protection thing. Everyone keeps saying Hightower is a much better pass blocker, and it would seem the coaches believe it too since they have him in there on passing situations, but it seems like every time Wells is in the game the announcers are commenting on how great of a job he just did picking up that blitz, or something to that effect. I remember one play a couple weeks ago where they blitz and Wells laid the blitzing LB out, freeing up Warner to complete a ~40 yard pass to Fitzgerald.

I dunno, it seems like for as much as people doubt Wells pass blocking ability, in all his time in there and whatnot I really can't remember him ever messing up a single block or assignment.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Here is the problem the coach is facing. Wells is clearly the better runner by far. But Hightower does one thing light years ahead of Wells and that is pass protection, and with Warner Hightower is like a body guard. Slowly Wells will become a better blocker and erode Hightowers only advantage. It will take time and maybe Wells will have a complete grasp of his assignments by the end of the year, effectively erasing the need to use Hightower as anything more than to give Wells a breather.

This was the talk earlier in the season, but it is happening now. Warner seemed to use Hightower as a security blanket in the passing game eariler this year, but his role has diminished.I own both guys and yesterday's game was my signal to bench Hightower, probably for the rest of the year (might have a good game or two, but he will be unreliable), and start Beanie when he has a good matchup (STL and DET).

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

I didn't see the game but I saw that Beanie drew a 15 yard penalty when the Cards were about to go in for a score. He eventually ran it in himself later in the drive so no real harm done, but what did he do to draw the penalty? Was it something stupid like unnecessary roughness or was it something like a chop block?

 

[NatronIsMean]

The problem with Wells is that the way the game is going really dictates how much usage he gets. When Arizona is down and has to pass, they keep Hightower in there. When they get a lead, they pound Wells. The problem is this team is so dang inconsistent you never know which you're going to get before the game starts.Also, I'd like to comment on the pass protection thing. Everyone keeps saying Hightower is a much better pass blocker, and it would seem the coaches believe it too since they have him in there on passing situations, but it seems like every time Wells is in the game the announcers are commenting on how great of a job he just did picking up that blitz, or something to that effect. I remember one play a couple weeks ago where they blitz and Wells laid the blitzing LB out, freeing up Warner to complete a ~40 yard pass to Fitzgerald.I dunno, it seems like for as much as people doubt Wells pass blocking ability, in all his time in there and whatnot I really can't remember him ever messing up a single block or assignment.

This applies in "toss up" games, but luckily this does NOT apply in weeks 11, 15 and 16. In fact, the meeting with STL next week comes at the perfect time to allow Wells to really solidify a larger role *if* you believe that more opportunities = good news for Wells. I do since I think he's the more talented back (I don't know anyone that doesn't). So, lets just hope that Wells explodes again and that Wisenhut starts to feel that Wells is that missing piece that could mean the difference in the playoffs against NO or Minnesota. He's going to need an upgraded running game against either of those teams if he hopes to return to the super bowl. He needs to make the transition ASAP in my mind.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Also, I'd like to comment on the pass protection thing. Everyone keeps saying Hightower is a much better pass blocker, and it would seem the coaches believe it too since they have him in there on passing situations, but it seems like every time Wells is in the game the announcers are commenting on how great of a job he just did picking up that blitz, or something to that effect. I remember one play a couple weeks ago where they blitz and Wells laid the blitzing LB out, freeing up Warner to complete a ~40 yard pass to Fitzgerald.

I'd say this was a recent development though, just over the past 3 - 4 weeks.The "talk" earlier in the season about his poor blocking was probably true, but Beanie has picked things up and improved.People will still repeat "talking points" that they heard or read earlier, even though it may not be true anymore.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The problem with Wells is that the way the game is going really dictates how much usage he gets. When Arizona is down and has to pass, they keep Hightower in there. When they get a lead, they pound Wells. The problem is this team is so dang inconsistent you never know which you're going to get before the game starts.Also, I'd like to comment on the pass protection thing. Everyone keeps saying Hightower is a much better pass blocker, and it would seem the coaches believe it too since they have him in there on passing situations, but it seems like every time Wells is in the game the announcers are commenting on how great of a job he just did picking up that blitz, or something to that effect. I remember one play a couple weeks ago where they blitz and Wells laid the blitzing LB out, freeing up Warner to complete a ~40 yard pass to Fitzgerald.I dunno, it seems like for as much as people doubt Wells pass blocking ability, in all his time in there and whatnot I really can't remember him ever messing up a single block or assignment.

This applies in "toss up" games, but luckily this does NOT apply in weeks 11, 15 and 16. In fact, the meeting with STL next week comes at the perfect time to allow Wells to really solidify a larger role *if* you believe that more opportunities = good news for Wells. I do since I think he's the more talented back (I don't know anyone that doesn't). So, lets just hope that Wells explodes again and that Wisenhut starts to feel that Wells is that missing piece that could mean the difference in the playoffs against NO or Minnesota. He's going to need an upgraded running game against either of those teams if he hopes to return to the super bowl. He needs to make the transition ASAP in my mind.

In a perfect world, yes. Problem is, this is the NFL. The Broncos were supposed to be spending the 4th quarter running out the clock this week against Washington. Instead they were down by 2 scores, airing it out.

 

[Hendo]

Beanie looks so much like a Jim Brown runner both in power and style. I love his burst and size he brings. He looks like a premier back just waiting to happen if given the attempts to run. Injury is the only thing that would slow him down and i'm hoping that isnt the case with him cause he has a perfect blend of power/speed and vision to really turn heads in the NFL.

I like Beanie a lot more then the RB's coming out this year including the ones in his draft class ala: Moreno

 

[malice]

I didn't see the game but I saw that Beanie drew a 15 yard penalty when the Cards were about to go in for a score. He eventually ran it in himself later in the drive so no real harm done, but what did he do to draw the penalty? Was it something stupid like unnecessary roughness or was it something like a chop block?

He got shoved by Trufant (?) and went and shoved back- the penalty was on his retaliation.

 

[packersfan]

Here is the problem the coach is facing. Wells is clearly the better runner by far. But Hightower does one thing light years ahead of Wells and that is pass protection, and with Warner Hightower is like a body guard. Slowly Wells will become a better blocker and erode Hightowers only advantage. It will take time and maybe Wells will have a complete grasp of his assignments by the end of the year, effectively erasing the need to use Hightower as anything more than to give Wells a breather.

This was the talk earlier in the season, but it is happening now. Warner seemed to use Hightower as a security blanket in the passing game eariler this year, but his role has diminished.

Hightower caught 5 passes yesterday. Two games ago, he caught 8. There's nothing I've seen to indicate his role in the passing game has diminished. When the Cardinals are behind, they tend to feature Hightower.

 

[DoubleG]

Here is the problem the coach is facing. Wells is clearly the better runner by far. But Hightower does one thing light years ahead of Wells and that is pass protection, and with Warner Hightower is like a body guard. Slowly Wells will become a better blocker and erode Hightowers only advantage.

It will take time and maybe Wells will have a complete grasp of his assignments by the end of the year, effectively erasing the need to use Hightower as anything more than to give Wells a breather.

Not in the game I saw. Now, I realize it seems that Bears LB's and lineman seem to look for people to run into when pass rushing or blitzing, but in the Bears game last week Wells did a nice job in picking up blitzes and helping out in protection - so much so that the announcers even commented on how well he did. One thing I think is interesting is that in the second half of this weeks game, Wells had 11 touches to THT's 6 (including almost all the red zone touches). When it came time to win the game/hold the lead, it was Wells touching the ball, not THT.

 

[Cenobite]

Sweet schedule down the stretch. Looks like he's overtaken Hightower? Is this the guy who has that huge second half and puts your team over the top?Week 11 @ St. Louis (1-8) Week 12 @ Tennessee (3-6) Week 13 vs Minnesota (8-1) Week 14 @ San Francisco (4-5)Week 15 @ Detroit (1-8) Week 16 vs St. Louis (1-8) Would it even matter if they clinched early? Probably would be out there either way, possibly even more reps?

PT owner last year, Wells owner this year. PT was involved in every aspect of the game last year. Wells has not been, and will not be. Although at times Wells has looked impressive, I just can't see how he compares to PT or the situation PT was in last year in N.O. Wells may get the numbers Edge got toward the end of last year and, if he does, that would be good. Much more than that and I think we are asking for too much. Hightower will not disappear this year especially since it looks like Ari. is a playoff team (again).

 

[kapp]

I just picked up Wells. How can you overlook the 5.3 yard per rush in the last 4 games? Looks to me like he's improving every week, including in pass protection and receiving yards. A consistent running game will benefit Warner more than Hightower's pass blocking, so I don't buy that argument now that we are into week 11.

 

[ATC1]

With Injuries to Benson and Brown. It looks like Wells will be in my starting lineup.

Question is, if Benson is a go, would you still play Wells over Benson for this week. Benson has OAK and LJ coming into town?

 

[Buzzbait]

With Injuries to Benson and Brown. It looks like Wells will be in my starting lineup. Question is, if Benson is a go, would you still play Wells over Benson for this week. Benson has OAK and LJ coming into town?

You have to go with Benson IMO. There isn't even an indication at this point is LJ will be on the 53-man roster. Even if he is though I'd play Benson @ Oak over Wells and wouldn't look back.As a Wells owner I'll be playing him this week since I also have Turner who will be out. I'm hoping for another big day from Beanie!

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I just picked up Wells. How can you overlook the 5.3 yard per rush in the last 4 games? Looks to me like he's improving every week, including in pass protection and receiving yards. A consistent running game will benefit Warner more than Hightower's pass blocking, so I don't buy that argument now that we are into week 11.

I was able to land him recently as well, and I can agree with some of your points(tough to overlook the YPC, etc.), but I absolutely think he's still going to lose time to Hightower just because of the blocking. Not saying it'll cost him 10 looks a game or anything, but it WILL cost him something. That said, if Wells continues to get 12-13 touches a game in a timeshare, given his schedule going forward, he's got a good shot to remain pretty productive. If he gets a few more looks per game than that, all the better. Totally worth gambling on, in my opinion. The Cards offense seems to be starting to fire on all cylinders since the ugly game by Warner vs. the Panthers. Having any part of something like that is never bad thing.

 

[sjacksonfan]

So who's rolling with him this week?

 

[andrew11]

So who's rolling with him this week?

I'm going to roll him out this week and hope for at least 75 total yards and a TD. If the Cardinals get up big early hopefully he can get 100+ and a TD or two.

 

[grtwhtsk]

Looks like I am rolling with him as well.

 

[kegtron]

I am starting him over Barber and Bush.

 

[towney]

Over Jacobs...

I actually think help be gold come FF playoffs in a few weeks.

 

[Follows Closely]

Looks like I am rolling with him as well.

Me too

 

[dgreen]

Against the Rams, why wouldn't you start him?

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

right now, rollin' w/ Beanie over LT2

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So who's rolling with him this week?

I'm flexing him over Calvin Johnson. Shame because I just have this feeling that Calvin is going to play well this week after the slow comeback from injury so far, but Beanie against the Rams is too good to pass up. They should be in full on run mode by the 3rd quarter.

 

[Darko M]

Are you guys starting him over Hightower in PPRs? Hightower's mediocre performances the last 2 weeks are a bit concerning.

 

[Wrigley]

I know this is the wrong place, but time is running out(50 minutes until the deadline expires)

We've been offered(non-ppr)

Wells and R Williams

for either

Megatron or Sims-Walker

rest of my team

RB: MJD, Moats, Scott, D Brown(play 2)

WR: V Jax, Sims-Walker, Megatron, Hester(play 3)

I'm really leaning towards dealing CJ, but need a little push in either direction

 

[Loan Sharks]

I know this is the wrong place, but time is running out(50 minutes until the deadline expires)We've been offered(non-ppr)Wells and R Williamsfor eitherMegatron or Sims-Walkerrest of my teamRB: MJD, Moats, Scott, D Brown(play 2)WR: V Jax, Sims-Walker, Megatron, Hester(play 3)I'm really leaning towards dealing CJ, but need a little push in either direction

Calvin Johnson sucks, I think the bump up from your trash #2 to Wells is worth any drop to Hester from Johnson or you could probably pick up someone decent at WR.I would turn around and trade Williams and Hester for a slightly better WR.

 

[Wrigley]

I know this is the wrong place, but time is running out(50 minutes until the deadline expires)We've been offered(non-ppr)Wells and R Williamsfor eitherMegatron or Sims-Walkerrest of my teamRB: MJD, Moats, Scott, D Brown(play 2)WR: V Jax, Sims-Walker, Megatron, Hester(play 3)I'm really leaning towards dealing CJ, but need a little push in either direction

Calvin Johnson sucks, I think the bump up from your trash #2 to Wells is worth any drop to Hester from Johnson or you could probably pick up someone decent at WR.I would turn around and trade Williams and Hester for a slightly better WR.

Deadline will not allow me to broker another deal.......But I think we'll be okay with a WR group of V Jax, Sims-Walker, Hester, Williams, and Gibson(sorry added him today)