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Bears to return back to Rex Grossman? (1 Viewer)
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
I'm surprised they'd go back to Grossman (because he's not their future QB, not to say Griese is -- but I believe the latter is signed for 2008). I guess if the Bills can go back to Losman, the Bears can go back to Grossman.
Just goes to show how bad Griese's been. And how much an alcohol-loving, 3rd stringer Kyle Orton is.
Just goes to show how bad Griese's been. And how much an alcohol-loving, 3rd stringer Kyle Orton is.
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Phlash
Footballguy
smcindoe
Footballguy
A "strike" is when a bunch of people who are supposed to be working stand on the sidelines instead and do nothing, right?I'd say Rex is the master of the quick-strike offence. Sometimes it only takes him one play.
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
Well the Falcons and the Bills both ahd to go back to their benched QBs due to injury, not underperformance. But pulling Griese is a lot like flipping a coin for your QB.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
As a Bears fan, this makes me want to vomit. If anything, get Orton some time so that you can see what you have in him. We KNOW what we have in Grossman, and the only way I could think this makes any sense whatsoever is to improve his perceived stock/showcase him for a trade. Not that I think that would work... although there are teams that - amazingly - could probably use Grossman, such as the Jags (behind Garrard), Carolina (instead of Carr), and a handful of others...
Just crazy.
Just crazy.
I always figured that once Grossman was pulled, they werent going back to him - with all the issues about his confidence, why would you put him back in? Could Orton possibly be worse?Grossman will be a backup for someone next year, with an outside chance to compete for a starting job... Ive heard whispers that the Vikes may want GROSS-man... sorry Vikes fans.
Warpig
Footballguy
I always figured that once Grossman was pulled, they werent going back to him - with all the issues about his confidence, why would you put him back in? Could Orton possibly be worse?Grossman will be a backup for someone next year, with an outside chance to compete for a starting job... Ive heard whispers that the Vikes may want GROSS-man... sorry Vikes fans.
I was just thinking that. I figure the Vikes to make a play since he is/was a division rival and knows their (the Bears) system. And let's be honest...Grossman WOULD be an upgrade over anything the Vikes currently have on their roster.
3nOut
Footballguy
The only reason they would go back to grossman instead of Orton is exactly because they know what they have. They don't know what they have in Orton and the Bears still believe they have a shot at the playoffs. Once the Bears are out of it, I wouldn'tbe surprised to see them give Orton a shot.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Amazing how quickly everyone forgets that Kyle Orton started 15 games for the Bears in '05
flapgreen
Footballguy
I don't see how they couldn't. How can people calling for Orton not remember how bad he was in 05? The Bears don't know what they have in Orton? Right.
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Oh we remember.As Bears fans (which I am sure you must be as well) we remember begging for Grossman to come back for the playoffs. Orton did just enough to not lose all those games. He never won a single game for us though.
flapgreen
Footballguy
But that ATL game where Grossman came back in the 2nd half was awesome. Too bad it didn't stay that way.
You are a Packer fan, eh?Even in 05 Grossman stunk. He just stunk less than Orton. The O-line and defense were certainly better that year (and last), however.But that ATL game where Grossman came back in the 2nd half was awesome. Too bad it didn't stay that way.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
flap's 100% Bear, my friend.You are a Packer fan, eh?Even in 05 Grossman stunk. He just stunk less than Orton. The O-line and defense were certainly better that year (and last), however.But that ATL game where Grossman came back in the 2nd half was awesome. Too bad it didn't stay that way.
Duly noted. And I truly apologize. Easy to be defensive as a Bears fan these days. We are bad. Really bad. Last year seems like eons ago.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Yes, absolutely he could.
Grossman will be a backup for someone next year, with an outside chance to compete for a starting job... Ive heard whispers that the Vikes may want GROSS-man... sorry Vikes fans.
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Footballguy
There's always Chad Hutchinson and Craig Krenzel.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I wasn't saying he lit the world on fire that night, but I'll never forget how excited everyone was after that game. The team was energized and it appeared things would only get better from there, which they did the following season. For a short time, I honestly believed Grossman was the star at qb we'd been looking for all these years. :(You are a Packer fan, eh?Even in 05 Grossman stunk. He just stunk less than Orton. The O-line and defense were certainly better that year (and last), however.But that ATL game where Grossman came back in the 2nd half was awesome. Too bad it didn't stay that way.
flapgreen
Footballguy
fixedYes, absolutely he could is.
Grossman will be a backup for someone next year, with an outside chance to compete for a starting job... Ive heard whispers that the Vikes may want GROSS-man... sorry Vikes fans.
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They should know what they have in him since he has been on the roster for 3 years or so. I don't know how you can say he is bad based on his rookie year when they used pretty much the most conservative play calling possible. I wouldn't be against Grossman having one more shot. The dude has some talent, he's just mentally weak. Chicago fans piled all of the Bears' problems on him. I couldn't imagine the pressure he was under. His confidence had to be completely shot. That said, if he does get another shot and he blows it then that's it. I would say let Orton have a shot since Griese is nothing more than a stopgap right now.I don't see how they couldn't. How can people calling for Orton not remember how bad he was in 05? The Bears don't know what they have in Orton? Right.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
He actually threw a INT inside the 5 yard line, but the defender fumbled the ball back to the Bears.I wasn't saying he lit the world on fire that night, but I'll never forget how excited everyone was after that game. The team was energized and it appeared things would only get better from there, which they did the following season. For a short time, I honestly believed Grossman was the star at qb we'd been looking for all these years. :(You are a Packer fan, eh?Even in 05 Grossman stunk. He just stunk less than Orton. The O-line and defense were certainly better that year (and last), however.But that ATL game where Grossman came back in the 2nd half was awesome. Too bad it didn't stay that way.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I think the play calling was conservative for a reason. He looked awful and had no arm. He's been 3rd string since then for a reason. However, at this point, I don't see how giving him another chance could make things any worse. Might as well.They should know what they have in him since he has been on the roster for 3 years or so. I don't know how you can say he is bad based on his rookie year when they used pretty much the most conservative play calling possible. I wouldn't be against Grossman having one more shot. The dude has some talent, he's just mentally weak. Chicago fans piled all of the Bears' problems on him. I couldn't imagine the pressure he was under. His confidence had to be completely shot. That said, if he does get another shot and he blows it then that's it. I would say let Orton have a shot since Griese is nothing more than a stopgap right now.I don't see how they couldn't. How can people calling for Orton not remember how bad he was in 05? The Bears don't know what they have in Orton? Right.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I remember the game vividly. He brought an energy to the team. It was the 1st few games of last season when I thought we had a future star.He actually threw a INT inside the 5 yard line, but the defender fumbled the ball back to the Bears.I wasn't saying he lit the world on fire that night, but I'll never forget how excited everyone was after that game. The team was energized and it appeared things would only get better from there, which they did the following season. For a short time, I honestly believed Grossman was the star at qb we'd been looking for all these years.You are a Packer fan, eh?Even in 05 Grossman stunk. He just stunk less than Orton. The O-line and defense were certainly better that year (and last), however.But that ATL game where Grossman came back in the 2nd half was awesome. Too bad it didn't stay that way.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Even those 1st few games though Rex was throwing off his back foot, into double- and triple-coverage. It just happened that Berrian was pulling down long bombs. I kept waiting for him to make better decisions - or for genius coordinator Ron Turner to actually do some coaching - but it never happened. Even with Griese in the game, I often wonder if the problem is really the QB play or the stupidity of Ron Turner. How many times has the QB (whether Griese or Grossman) randomly lofted the ball down the sidelines into double coverage? Every game there are 3 or 4 plays where you just have toI remember the game vividly. He brought an energy to the team. It was the 1st few games of last season when I thought we had a future star.He actually threw a INT inside the 5 yard line, but the defender fumbled the ball back to the Bears.I wasn't saying he lit the world on fire that night, but I'll never forget how excited everyone was after that game. The team was energized and it appeared things would only get better from there, which they did the following season. For a short time, I honestly believed Grossman was the star at qb we'd been looking for all these years. :(You are a Packer fan, eh?Even in 05 Grossman stunk. He just stunk less than Orton. The O-line and defense were certainly better that year (and last), however.But that ATL game where Grossman came back in the 2nd half was awesome. Too bad it didn't stay that way.
I *get* that teams need to take a shot downfield, but it's almost like Turner is reinforcing this mentality of "you must throw deep on this play or else!"Anyway, I'm a Packer fan, so I hope Lovie keeps Ron Turner around indefinitely. Ditto for Griese and Grossman.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
If the Bears are serious about fixing the QB problem Grossman can't go back in. There is no way he is the future, and for that matter I don't even see him as a capable backup. Griese is not the future but at least he gives you a 50/50 shot at winning. If you think the Bears are close (they're not) then ride out Griese and see if he can get you that all important one and done in the playoffs to make management look a little less stupid. However if the brass had any testicular fortitude they would realize that:
A - The QB situation sucks
B - The RB situation sucks
B - The D is so injured this year that any shot of them carrying the O to the playoffs is gone
C - This year is wasted
D - The only way to salvage this season is to use it to evaluate for draft needs
They need to play Orton and see what they have (not much). Then in the draft go after a RB, QB, and O lineman. Ignoring the defense for a year is not a great choice, but ignoring the O another year is mutinous. Write '08 off as a learning year and start to make waves in '09. I have no problems as a fan watching a skilled but young team go 4 - 12 while making rookie mistakes against a steep learning curve. What I do have a problem with is watching a mediocre 3rd, 4th, or 5th year player making the same rookie mistakes week in and week out. I can handle crap seasons due to inexperience. I can't handle them because of front office ineptitude.
What's sad is that the Bear's solution at starting QB, backup QB and starting RB is not currently on the roster. How many years will it take before they realize that in the immortal words my dad used to say; "you can't polish a turd"? Cut bait and move on. A mistake is a mistake. Ignoring it and continuing to live with it is downright stupid.
A - The QB situation sucks
B - The RB situation sucks
B - The D is so injured this year that any shot of them carrying the O to the playoffs is gone
C - This year is wasted
D - The only way to salvage this season is to use it to evaluate for draft needs
They need to play Orton and see what they have (not much). Then in the draft go after a RB, QB, and O lineman. Ignoring the defense for a year is not a great choice, but ignoring the O another year is mutinous. Write '08 off as a learning year and start to make waves in '09. I have no problems as a fan watching a skilled but young team go 4 - 12 while making rookie mistakes against a steep learning curve. What I do have a problem with is watching a mediocre 3rd, 4th, or 5th year player making the same rookie mistakes week in and week out. I can handle crap seasons due to inexperience. I can't handle them because of front office ineptitude.
What's sad is that the Bear's solution at starting QB, backup QB and starting RB is not currently on the roster. How many years will it take before they realize that in the immortal words my dad used to say; "you can't polish a turd"? Cut bait and move on. A mistake is a mistake. Ignoring it and continuing to live with it is downright stupid.
Blue Barbarian
Footballguy
The conservative play calling in Orton's rookie year was nothing more than the ably demonstrated poor coaching decisions. There were no downfield calls. Anyone thinking Orton has no arm was led to that thinking by plays called by the Bears coaching. Thsy relied on the defense to win games. Ask Joe Tiller about Orton's arm.
Paddy O'Seanessy
Footballguy
...and you imagine someone would offer something in trade to the Bears for any of their quarterbacks? If Grossman isn't your starter you're going to cut him. Now if the Bears are smart enough to admit that they must start full-blown rebuilding maybe they do keep them as the starter while they start collecting Olinemen and search for their next real QB.
I completely agree with this. And actually if I am not mistaken the following week or so he did pretty well against the Packers to boot. And then in the Carolina game in the playoffs (where Steve Smith made us his bi###) Grossman almost brought us back to win. I thought for sure he was who we had been waiting for that year. But I was blinded at that point. Looking back at it, it is clear that the defense and the running game were what kept us in games. Grossman gave us the "quick strike" (as the OP says) that we needed to have a chance to come back at the end of games or make a big play mid game...and at that point we were hoping he had not met his potential. It just appears we were wrong.I remember the game vividly. He brought an energy to the team. It was the 1st few games of last season when I thought we had a future star.He actually threw a INT inside the 5 yard line, but the defender fumbled the ball back to the Bears.I wasn't saying he lit the world on fire that night, but I'll never forget how excited everyone was after that game. The team was energized and it appeared things would only get better from there, which they did the following season. For a short time, I honestly believed Grossman was the star at qb we'd been looking for all these years. :(You are a Packer fan, eh?Even in 05 Grossman stunk. He just stunk less than Orton. The O-line and defense were certainly better that year (and last), however.But that ATL game where Grossman came back in the 2nd half was awesome. Too bad it didn't stay that way.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I'd like to think it depends on the Griese injury.
jpeace121
Footballguy
So Griese is the starter as long as he's healthy?
Just a gut feeling, but I bet Grossman will be the starter next week.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Berrian owners rejoice if Grossman is back
I would kill to have McNabb as QB.Would Bears fans be interested in McNabb starting next year? I'd think you could do worse than McNabb.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
No interest at all here. Bears fans have had enough of bringing in past their prime QB's. Why sign McNabb when the best you could hope for is 2, maybe 3 years of quality production? If the running game and D were in A+ shape he might be able to get a SB title, but the Bears are not that close right now. Find and develop youth, that is what the Bears should be doing. Just because they failed with Grossman doesn't mean signing a blue chip QB is the wrong thing to do. It just proves their player evaluation system is pretty bad.Would Bears fans be interested in McNabb starting next year? I'd think you could do worse than McNabb.
Their player evaluation particularly at the QB position for young players is just pitiful and that is exactly why I would love for them to sign McNabb and get 2-3 good years out of him.No interest at all here. Bears fans have had enough of bringing in past their prime QB's. Why sign McNabb when the best you could hope for is 2, maybe 3 years of quality production? If the running game and D were in A+ shape he might be able to get a SB title, but the Bears are not that close right now. Find and develop youth, that is what the Bears should be doing. Just because they failed with Grossman doesn't mean signing a blue chip QB is the wrong thing to do. It just proves their player evaluation system is pretty bad.Would Bears fans be interested in McNabb starting next year? I'd think you could do worse than McNabb.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Good post here. I was going to say that as an outsider McNabb might be a steal for a few years. And hes really not THAT old. Once his knee is 100 percent, who knows? THis way they could draft a QB, let him sit behind DM and learn from a very good NFL QB.Their player evaluation particularly at the QB position for young players is just pitiful and that is exactly why I would love for them to sign McNabb and get 2-3 good years out of him.No interest at all here. Bears fans have had enough of bringing in past their prime QB's. Why sign McNabb when the best you could hope for is 2, maybe 3 years of quality production? If the running game and D were in A+ shape he might be able to get a SB title, but the Bears are not that close right now. Find and develop youth, that is what the Bears should be doing. Just because they failed with Grossman doesn't mean signing a blue chip QB is the wrong thing to do. It just proves their player evaluation system is pretty bad.Would Bears fans be interested in McNabb starting next year? I'd think you could do worse than McNabb.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Grossman ruined the Bears draft position for his replacement today.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Where ya been?Grossman ruined the Bears draft position for his replacement today.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Much like the 2007 Chicago Bears, I've been in hibernation.Where ya been?Grossman ruined the Bears draft position for his replacement today.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Much like the 2007 Chicago Bears, I've been in hibernation.Where ya been?Grossman ruined the Bears draft position for his replacement today.
Paddy O'Seanessy
Footballguy
except the Bear doesn't have Westbrook. McNabb can't connect downfield in other than 7-on-7 drills. Can you imagine Benson on the end of a shuttle pass?Like Elway's rings, McNabb's career is entirely owed to a running back.Good post here. I was going to say that as an outsider McNabb might be a steal for a few years. And hes really not THAT old. Once his knee is 100 percent, who knows? THis way they could draft a QB, let him sit behind DM and learn from a very good NFL QB.Their player evaluation particularly at the QB position for young players is just pitiful and that is exactly why I would love for them to sign McNabb and get 2-3 good years out of him.No interest at all here. Bears fans have had enough of bringing in past their prime QB's. Why sign McNabb when the best you could hope for is 2, maybe 3 years of quality production? If the running game and D were in A+ shape he might be able to get a SB title, but the Bears are not that close right now. Find and develop youth, that is what the Bears should be doing. Just because they failed with Grossman doesn't mean signing a blue chip QB is the wrong thing to do. It just proves their player evaluation system is pretty bad.Would Bears fans be interested in McNabb starting next year? I'd think you could do worse than McNabb.
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Kai's Hero
Footballguy
After reviewing your roster ..... your team is very, very weak.Just sayin.I was just thinking that. I figure the Vikes to make a play since he is/was a division rival and knows their (the Bears) system. And let's be honest...Grossman WOULD be an upgrade over anything the Vikes currently have on their roster.
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