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I think with a QB as good as Cutler in the mix it is important to keep a close eye on what is taking place with the Bears WRing situation....

What we know as of today?

(FFChamps) Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler has been locked-in on tight end Greg Olsen early and often during Bears training camp. Cutler has developed an early rapport with Olsen over Devin Hester and Matt Forte, as he learns the Bears playbook and struggles with the inexperienced wideouts. “You don’t find it very often with a guy with that kind of motor and as big as he is, just the way he adjusts to balls,” Cutler said Wednesday. “A lot of guys that big are kind of stiff and they can’t really do some of the things he can. He’s a huge target and we have to use him the right way.”

(Rotoworld) Earl Bennett is practicing as the Bears' first-team flanker in two-receiver sets and moving to the slot in three-wideout formations.

(KFFL) Larry Mayer, of ChicagoBears.com, reports Chicago Bears WR Brandon Rideau worked as the No. 3 wide receiver with the first-team offense during practice Wednesday, Aug. 5. Rideau has performed well in training camp and has a chance to contribute in 2009.

Things that I have read or am hearing out of Chicago or quite frankly guessing on at this stage from news in the past....

Hester is going to start and is in line to be a big play guy but how many receptions can a guy like him have?

-Knox looked good in OTA's and was in line to get sometime in the slot perhaps, but I have not heard anything as of late.

-I have not heard a whole lot out of the Iglesias camp at all.

-R. Davis seems as though his days are numbered with the Bears and he appears to have very little fantasy value.

Anyone have anything else?

 
You basically stated everything I have been hearing in a nutshell. All the receivers are gushing about Cutler's arm, communication, and leadership. A Cutler to Olsen connection is the headliner on almost every day of practice. Nothing much on Bennett other than that he is the #2 wideout.

 
Hester, Bennet, Olsen, Forte...those are the only guys. Though that rookie is looking good...
add Desmond Clark. He has been consistent for 40+ receptions last 3 years. Last year his yardage and TD took a nose dive but he still managed 41 catches. I love Olsen too but Clark is still a talented TE with something to prove after being put behind Olsen. With Hester, Olsen, Bennet stretching the field Clark will eat up some of those over the middle 8 yard pass completions. Bears use the two TE set a bit so Clark will still see action.

I think hes a good spot start in leagues and if anything happens to Olsen Clark could improve those numbers from last year by quite a lot.

I still see his yardage and TD's improving over last year even with Olsen there.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4829/c...oCm_3D8BFD.uLYF

 
What about Earl Bennett? I hear he's impressing everybody plus doesn't he have some sort of rapport with Cutler already?

 
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Just want to add that the bears havent had a 1000 yard receiver in something like seven years
Yes but this is the Cutler bears now. Hence why I am intruiged with a depth chart of some sort. Obviously Oslen is going to be a gem, but others have to catch the balls too and If Cutler likes you he will lock onto you and zip balls in.
 
sholditch said:
Just want to add that the bears havent had a 1000 yard receiver in something like seven years
Yes but this is the Cutler bears now. Hence why I am intruiged with a depth chart of some sort. Obviously Oslen is going to be a gem, but others have to catch the balls too and If Cutler likes you he will lock onto you and zip balls in.
a lot of room for production. As I said in the Brandon Rideau thread where I have been documenting all the different beat writer's in Chicago's opinions, he seems to be playing very well. With the update today that he caught the 1st 4 balls Cutler threw to him when he was with the 1st team O today. Turner said that he needs to make plays when he has the opportunities and that's what he seems to be doing. Cutler also has mentioned him. I think he has just as good of a shot as Davis, Knox, or Iglesias. Lets remember that the Bears don't seem to have a lot of patience for rookie WR's. Rideau has been in the system for 3 years and is the closest thing to Marshall outside of Olsen. Somebody has to step up, so I took a flier on Rideau in a very deep league a while ago. He may end up making my roster after cut down day if I keep reading the same types of things. Reminds me of when Colston was emerging, the same type of buzz was being created. Starts out locally- playing well in OTA's. Then higher up the depth chart than anyone expected in camp and keep climbing. Then breakout season happens. 1/3 of the way there and it only gets tougher, but at the price he's certainly worth a shot. If anything else, the competition makes them all seem pretty close. Hester is a lock, Earl close to for the starting role, but how do they keep Rideau off the field if he keeps making plays?
 
IMO, Cutler will find all his weapons.Olsen ClarkForte JonesHesterBennettKnoxSpread like butta'
Sounds great for Cutler owners and Bears fans, but what kind of numbers does everyone expect the Bears receiving core to postHere are the stats last year 2008 Rec Yards TDHester 51 665 3Olsen 54 574 5Forte 63 477 4Clark 41 367 1Davis 35 445 4 My Projections 2009 Rec Yards TDHester 70 1009 6Olsen 65 920 8Forte 45 410 2Clark 37 410 3Bennet 48 668 4Davis,Iglesias,Knox ..30 4Total 295 completions 3417 yards 27 TD's, just my estimates
 
I posted this in the Cutler thread:

My prediction is that Earl Bennet will lead the Bears in receptions.

Bennet - 68

Olsen - 65

Hester - 62

Forte - 53

Clark - 25

Davis - 25

Other RB's and WR's - 40

540 attempts, 338 completions. 62.5% completion

 
If I were going to make an educated guess, mine would be that Bennett leads the team in receptions with Olsen coming in at a close second.

 
Here's an educated guess based on the first week or so of camp:

Olsen will lead the team in receptions, probably followed by Forte.

Hester will be the big play threat, Bennett and Rideau will be the possession receivers with Rideau getting more looks in the red zone b/c of his size.

 
Here's an educated guess based on the first week or so of camp:Olsen will lead the team in receptions, probably followed by Forte.Hester will be the big play threat, Bennett and Rideau will be the possession receivers with Rideau getting more looks in the red zone b/c of his size.
no real impact for the rooks igleasias and knox?
 
no real impact for the rooks igleasias and knox?
Both seem like raw speed guys to me. as rookie WRs, I'd expect them to be slow to adjust in the same way that Bennett was last year. They will probably show flashes and get some opportunities in 3 and 4-WR formations.Both obviously have some exciting dynasty league potential and will be counted on for more if Bennett or Rideau starts to struggle. It just seems too early to count on them and there has been quite a bit of positive buzz on Bennett and Rideau so far. Rashied Davis should still be in the mix as well as the potential WR3 so the rookies won't be handed a lot of snaps without earning them.
 
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Here's an educated guess based on the first week or so of camp:Olsen will lead the team in receptions, probably followed by Forte.Hester will be the big play threat, Bennett and Rideau will be the possession receivers with Rideau getting more looks in the red zone b/c of his size.
Thanks, I know different offense/system etc, but I don't want to miss an opportunity on the next E. Royal.
 
Here's an educated guess based on the first week or so of camp:Olsen will lead the team in receptions, probably followed by Forte.Hester will be the big play threat, Bennett and Rideau will be the possession receivers with Rideau getting more looks in the red zone b/c of his size.
Where do Desmond Clark and Rashied Davis fit in here?
 
My prediction is that Earl Bennet will lead the Bears in receptions.
after his lack of a production as a rook...why?
I guess the thought here is, what came first the chicken or the egg. Can Cutler make a great WR or do WR's make Cutler a prolific passer? Probably a lot of both, but if Cutler is a guy like McNabb that can make do no matter what schlubs spread out wide then he will make those schlubs at WR in chicago better than what they are. If he has that ability and can force it into Bennett then Bennett will be a stud.... That's a big if.
 
Here's an educated guess based on the first week or so of camp:Olsen will lead the team in receptions, probably followed by Forte.Hester will be the big play threat, Bennett and Rideau will be the possession receivers with Rideau getting more looks in the red zone b/c of his size.
Where do Desmond Clark and Rashied Davis fit in here?
I'm sure Clark will still see plenty of playing time in 2-TE sets and probably wind up with 25 to 30 receptions.Davis is tough to figure right now. I think he was expected to enter the season as the #3 WR but Rideau has been killing it while Davis has been doing very little.Based on what has happened so far, looks like Rideau is clearly ahead of Davis. Most of the Bears WRs are on the smallish side so Rideau at 6'3" adds a different dimension for them.Some early speculation out there suggests that Davis might be on the bubble, but I think he's pretty safe b/c he's proven and contributes on special teams.
 
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My prediction is that Earl Bennet will lead the Bears in receptions.
after his lack of a production as a rook...why?
I guess the thought here is, what came first the chicken or the egg. Can Cutler make a great WR or do WR's make Cutler a prolific passer? Probably a lot of both, but if Cutler is a guy like McNabb that can make do no matter what schlubs spread out wide then he will make those schlubs at WR in chicago better than what they are. If he has that ability and can force it into Bennett then Bennett will be a stud.... That's a big if.
I gurantee that Bennett will not be the #1 or #2 WR this year, barring injury. Hester, Olsen, Forte, ... is whats going to happen. I don't know how people all of a sudden expect Earl B to be #1. Is it because of Cutler coming here, is that why?. if Cutler wasn't on the Bears no one would have ever mentioned E.B And if EB is #1 receiver for the Bears i will buy his jersey, if there is one
 
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My prediction is that Earl Bennet will lead the Bears in receptions.
after his lack of a production as a rook...why?
I guess the thought here is, what came first the chicken or the egg. Can Cutler make a great WR or do WR's make Cutler a prolific passer? Probably a lot of both, but if Cutler is a guy like McNabb that can make do no matter what schlubs spread out wide then he will make those schlubs at WR in chicago better than what they are. If he has that ability and can force it into Bennett then Bennett will be a stud.... That's a big if.
In all fairness to Bennett, he wasn't expected to do anything last year. He didn't have one position to learn, he had three. He was trying to learn all 3 wr positions and Lovie admitted this year that it was a mistake for them to have him do that. (you can try and find the interview where he said that if you want). That is why he didn't do anything. A lot of prominant and very good receivers did next to nothing their rookie years.
 
Here's an educated guess based on the first week or so of camp:

Olsen will lead the team in receptions, probably followed by Forte.

Hester will be the big play threat, Bennett and Rideau will be the possession receivers with Rideau getting more looks in the red zone b/c of his size.
Where do Desmond Clark and Rashied Davis fit in here?
I'm sure Clark will still see plenty of playing time in 2-TE sets and probably wind up with 25 to 30 receptions.Davis is tough to figure right now. I think he was expected to enter the season as the #3 WR but Rideau has been killing it while Davis has been doing very little.

Based on what has happened so far, looks like Rideau is clearly ahead of Davis. Most of the Bears WRs are on the smallish side so Rideau at 6'3" adds a different dimension for them.

Some early speculation out there suggests that Davis might be on the bubble, but I think he's pretty safe b/c he's proven and contributes on special teams.
So can you give me back ground into this kid. I mean all I see is going to be 27 years old this year and went to school at Kansas. He was on the Brown's roster at one point back in 2005. He has been with the Bears 2006, 2007, and 2008. He has not caught one ball yet in his NFL career. Now all of a sudden the kid has put it together? I am really curious to know if he is just having a good camp and will fade. Or actually has a chance to be a guy Cutler will look to going forward. Obviously more geared towards dynasty.
 
So can you give me back ground into this kid. I mean all I see is going to be 27 years old this year and went to school at Kansas. He was on the Brown's roster at one point back in 2005. He has been with the Bears 2006, 2007, and 2008. He has not caught one ball yet in his NFL career. Now all of a sudden the kid has put it together? I am really curious to know if he is just having a good camp and will fade. Or actually has a chance to be a guy Cutler will look to going forward. Obviously more geared towards dynasty.
He led the NFL with 3 TD catches last preseason but then the team didn't use him in the regular season because they had guys like Brandon Lloyd and Marty Booker around.Rashied Davis came out of nowhere to become a significant piece of the offense. Seems that Rideau might get that opportunity this year if he can keep this up. It's still very early but it sounds like he worked hard this offseason and might be ready to take advantage of the situation.
 
My prediction is that Earl Bennet will lead the Bears in receptions.
after his lack of a production as a rook...why?
I guess the thought here is, what came first the chicken or the egg. Can Cutler make a great WR or do WR's make Cutler a prolific passer? Probably a lot of both, but if Cutler is a guy like McNabb that can make do no matter what schlubs spread out wide then he will make those schlubs at WR in chicago better than what they are. If he has that ability and can force it into Bennett then Bennett will be a stud.... That's a big if.
I gurantee that Bennett will not be the #1 or #2 WR this year, barring injury. Hester, Olsen, Forte, ... is whats going to happen. I don't know how people all of a sudden expect Earl B to be #1. Is it because of Cutler coming here, is that why?. if Cutler wasn't on the Bears no one would have ever mentioned E.B And if EB is #1 receiver for the Bears i will buy his jersey, if there is one
I don't expect the guy to be #1. But it is conceivable that he could be #2 (say Royal for example) or #3 behind Hester and Olsen. That is still a lot of value is Cutler remains as prolific or close to as prolific as he was in Denver.And all the people who are all riding Hester as the next Brandon Marshall, it comes down to the chicken and the egg thing again. Hester is not that great of a WR. Can Cutler make him into one? Maybe. But that is no sure thing.
 
nobody here wanted to get behind Rideau when I started a thread about him. Could end up being a sleeper that pays dividends for sure
let's put it in context here... Rideau is pretty far down on the pecking order as maybe the slot WR. He's got Olsen, Forte, Hester, and Bennett all likely to receive more targets and ultimately catches from Marshall. This is not the Saints or Cardinals offense.
 
nobody here wanted to get behind Rideau when I started a thread about him. Could end up being a sleeper that pays dividends for sure
let's put it in context here... Rideau is pretty far down on the pecking order as maybe the slot WR. He's got Olsen, Forte, Hester, and Bennett all likely to receive more targets and ultimately catches from Marshall. This is not the Saints or Cardinals offense.
was the Saints offense high powered before Brees & Colston?Rideau may be deep on pecking order, but he's far ahead of the rooks who many people love...how does that work?

I'm not saying drop anyone of value for him, but he's been climbing the charts & is now just behing guys like Bess & Schilens

 
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was the Saints offense high powered before Brees & Colston?
coaching change there in NO makes that point seem kind of irrelevant. ron turner and his system has been in place.
Rideau may be deep on pecking order, but he's far ahead of the rooks who many people love...how does that work?



I'm not saying drop anyone of value for him, but he's been climbing the charts & is now just behing guys like Bess & Schilens
coaches and GMs want players that they have drafted to succeed. they often go out of their way to facilitate this in fact. why? because sometimes they have made significant investments - time and money - in acquiring them. the bears want knox and igleasias to be a part of their future. this is not to say that the bears are myopic in that regard though. they have made changes in personnel on the offensive side to help give them the best chance of winning. these changes include converting hester to WR, starting orton before trading to get marshall, etc. rideau could fall into this pattern but that's asking a lot - perhaps too much - to break in his favor. rideau has the benefit of familiarity with the Turner system after three year while the rookies don't.it's great that you spotted him early and before most observers. congratulations. your point above that i have in bold pretty much sums it up then?

 
was the Saints offense high powered before Brees & Colston?
coaching change there in NO makes that point seem kind of irrelevant. ron turner and his system has been in place.
Rideau may be deep on pecking order, but he's far ahead of the rooks who many people love...how does that work?



I'm not saying drop anyone of value for him, but he's been climbing the charts & is now just behing guys like Bess & Schilens
coaches and GMs want players that they have drafted to succeed. they often go out of their way to facilitate this in fact. why? because sometimes they have made significant investments - time and money - in acquiring them. the bears want knox and igleasias to be a part of their future. this is not to say that the bears are myopic in that regard though. they have made changes in personnel on the offensive side to help give them the best chance of winning. these changes include converting hester to WR, starting orton before trading to get marshall, etc. rideau could fall into this pattern but that's asking a lot - perhaps too much - to break in his favor. rideau has the benefit of familiarity with the Turner system after three year while the rookies don't.it's great that you spotted him early and before most observers. congratulations. your point above that i have in bold pretty much sums it up then?
so you don't think the addition of Brees & emergence of Colston was part of the reason the Saints turned it around? While Payton helped, if he didn't have a QB to implement his offense, do you think they would have been as successful?seems to me that it is difficult to gauge how effective Turner would have been if he ever had a QB that could get it done. I'm sure, as a OC, he's always wanted to have a high powered offense. With Cutler at the helm, I believe there is plenty of room for it.

I also don't buy into the 'teams want their draft picks to get 1st shots" While it makes sense when things are equal, if Rideau is clearly outplaying the rooks & Cutler loves having that big target on the field, do you really think the organization would go elsewhere? Most good coaches pick the best player for the job regardless of draft status IMO.

while you can get him dirt cheap, now is the time to do it. I dropped my extra Defense for him on June 6th and wasn't sure if he'll make my roster cut down (from 35 to 30) on Labor Day, but I thought what the hell. Since then, the hype has increased dramatically and I've actually made trades to free up roster spots so I have a spot for him if he continues to play like he has

 
Maybe not so much in a redraft league, but in a dynasty league i'd definitely advise to pick up Johnny Knox. He's one of, if not the most, talented WR on the Bears roster right now. Only a matter of time before he gets an opportunity to show his skills, and once he does the Bears will be hard pressed to keep him off the field.

If any dynasty leaguers have an empty roster spot, or have player dead space on their roster i advise you to pick up Knox and reep the rewards later.

 
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My prediction is that Earl Bennet will lead the Bears in receptions.
after his lack of a production as a rook...why?
I guess the thought here is, what came first the chicken or the egg. Can Cutler make a great WR or do WR's make Cutler a prolific passer? Probably a lot of both, but if Cutler is a guy like McNabb that can make do no matter what schlubs spread out wide then he will make those schlubs at WR in chicago better than what they are. If he has that ability and can force it into Bennett then Bennett will be a stud.... That's a big if.
Interesting and apparently many agree with you.Gotta say I haven't been impressed with him and wonder why he was picked so high so I guess I just haven't seen him do well yet.I like Iglesias and he impressed me in college as a get it done type. I don't think he's going to be some big time #1 WR we all drool about, but I think the Bears could have their slot WR for the next so many years in Iglesias. Oklahoma WRs haven't done well but I think this kid has just enough expectations that he can meet them. Big time program played in big games, awesome QB throwing to him; his learning curve is smaller than others.
 
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My prediction is that Earl Bennet will lead the Bears in receptions.
after his lack of a production as a rook...why?
I guess the thought here is, what came first the chicken or the egg. Can Cutler make a great WR or do WR's make Cutler a prolific passer? Probably a lot of both, but if Cutler is a guy like McNabb that can make do no matter what schlubs spread out wide then he will make those schlubs at WR in chicago better than what they are. If he has that ability and can force it into Bennett then Bennett will be a stud.... That's a big if.
Interesting and apparently many agree with you.Gotta say I haven't been impressed with him and wonder why he was picked so high so I guess I just haven't seen him do well yet.I like Iglesias and he impressed me in college as a get it done type. I don't think he's going to be some big time #1 WR we all drool about, but I think the Bears could have their slot WR for the next so many years in Iglesias. Oklahoma WRs haven't done well but I think this kid has just enough expectations that he can meet them. Big time program played in big games, awesome QB throwing to him; his learning curve is smaller than others.
I'm not saying that that is what I am thinking, just stating what I think the theory is behind the Bennett hype. If Cutler is a guy that makes WR's what they are (and not the other way around) and he decides he's going to force feed Bennett then Bennett will have a great year and career with Cutler at the helm. Me, I grabbed Knox in a dynasty draft last April and hope he becomes the guy. But I just took a flyer on him. I don't know much about the kid other than the Rams really liked him and had hoped he slipped to them with their next pick.
 
Don't sleep on Devin Aromashodu either. He's another big WR with great speed who Cutler seems to be working well with.

BOURBONNAIS, Ill. — A couple of overlooked receivers are emerging as threats for the Bears and new quarterback Jay Cutler.

The Bears never pursued a veteran free agent for the position, instead hoping Cutler's passing ability would make existing receivers better. So far, it seems to have worked — Cutler has been regularly finding Devin Aromashodu and Brandon Rideau in practice.

"Both of those guys have great size and speed, and they're making plays each day," Bears coach Lovie Smith said. "Going into camp we were going to give some of our younger receivers an opportunity to prove what they can do."

Aromashodu has been waived three times and twice has been signed by teams off practice squads, while Rideau has been cut four times, including twice by the Bears. Both players say Cutler's arm strength has been an immense help.

"I feel like he'll find you if you get open, and he'll give you a chance if he believes in you," Rideau said. "So right now I guess he's feeling like I can make a couple plays so he wants to come at me."
http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_13041581
 
from the times I've seen Hester play I've never been impressed by his hands. maybe he has or will get better.

 
from the times I've seen Hester play I've never been impressed by his hands. maybe he has or will get better.
TO has bad hands. Guys can be hugely productive with bad hands but they need to be able to run precise routes, get separation and be open - a lot. I'm not sure Hester runs good routes. I'm wondering if Hester will eventually be relegated to just a deep threat by the end of the year.
 
No Bears fans here with info to add?
Here's how it is shaping out. Devin Hester is the #1 WR, but that doesn't mean he'll lead the team in catches. Greg Olson may do that from the TE Position, but Hester will have his share of deep catches. Remember, last season, Hester improved as the season wore on, and Kyle Orton was unable to hit Hester on a handful of deep throws that would have resulted in long TD's. Olson may be Cutler's most dependable target, and they will move him around to give him more favorable matchups. From there, it's still a toss-up - a lot can change here based upon the pre-season games, but, going in, Earl Bennett, whom by all accounts is having a very good camp, is currently the starter opposite Hester. Brandon Rideau, who has been here for 3 seasons, but unable to get much playing time has played himself into the #3 job, and then from there, it's a mix and match of guys from Rashied Davis, Justin Knox, Justin Iglesias and Devin Aromashodu.Iglesias and Knox will make the team. Knox has a ton of speed, and they are currently playing him at the 'X position right now to get him up to speed as quickly as possible. Iglesias gives Cutler a bigger target, but I'm not sure how much time he'll get. Rashied Davis is the only veteran in the group, and is coming off a season in which he dropped a lot of passes. The Bears feel they had him doing too much last season, and plan to play him from the slot more.So, as we stand today, it is:1) Hester2) Bennett3) Rideau4) Davis5/6) Iglesias/KnoxAromashodu has had a good camp, and there is an outside chance that he can earn a job on the team, but that would probably be at the expense of Rashied Davis or Bradon Rideau (but if he continues playing well in the pre-season games, he'll be on the team).A lot is unsettled, and there is a long way to go before the position is stabilized. Even then, I wouldn't be shocked if there is a lot interechangable/moving parts to this position all season long.
 
IMO, Cutler will find all his weapons.Olsen ClarkForte JonesHesterBennettKnoxSpread like butta'
This is probably the simplest way to put it. Hester, Olson and Forte will all be dependable targets, but the offense really needs one more WR (Bennett being the leading candidate) to complement the offense.
 
Bad news for those who thought Brandon Rideau was gonna make noise this year, Bears beat writer reporting he has been cut.

If for some reason you had him on your roster, drop him for Johnny Knox if possible.

 

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