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Bob Magaw

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quietly had a near two TD game (somewhat controversial reversal in 1st half)... also 4 receptions & 87 yards (albeit many on the TD)...

there is the quesion of will he keep the job... i thought he looked better than DHB, but if walker returns, you have to think the high 1st rounder would get the nod over the far more unheralded murphy...

and his fate is linked to russell, who looked brutal for most of the game, just wildly inaccurate... oddly, he did seem to have a lot of time (don't recall a lot of sacks?)... not sure if he can get more accurate, but he may be better on deep throws (return to daryl-lamonica-like mad bomber days?) than on short & intermediate (he did connect often with TE miller, so maybe it was a partly timing issue... but that fails to account for throwing it 20 feet over the WRs head & out of bounds :thumbup: ), which dovetails with murphy's skill set (& DHBs, of course... but murphy could have better hands... he was also plagued with drops in the pre-season, but arguably also made more positive plays)... maybe they are best served starting the rookie WRs...

on MNF they said it was the first team to start two rookie WRs since the bengals in 2002...

he does have some sleeper qualities... in many scouting guides, he was ranked near the top 10 among WRs in class of '09... presumably, in many drafts he fell through the cracks and even in dynasty, went in the mid-rounds... falling 3-4 rounds lower that some WRs ranked just slightly higher...

great measurables (especially raider/al davis-friendly triangle numbers)... outstanding size/speed combo...

as to intangibles, i think in coyle's guide (maybe elsewhere?), he quoted former florida HC urban meyer that he improves as much or more than any player he had coached (possibly he qualified it with an... at florida?)...

so the question to the SP...

is murphy a flash in the pan or a keeper...

 
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He's not keeping the starting job, don't treat a breakout rookie like he can walk on air or something. He's not even the big name rook on his own team - although Murphy you can get for free.

However, it's not Walker who will be taking the spot. Who could it be? It's going to be Chaz Schillens, that's who.

I guess thare's a slight chance he could keep the job, but that's really a wing and a prayer.

 
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I think he's the best wr on the team right now...but when Chaz comes back I don't know how this will shake out or if there is enough to go around.

Murphy did have 9 targets yesterday, more than anyone else for Oakland. And unlike DHB, he didn't let the ball clank off his hands repeatedly.

 
He's not keeping the starting job, don't treat a breakout rookie like he can walk on air or something. He's not even the big name rook on his own team - although Murphy you can get for free.However, it's not Walker who will be taking the spot. Who could it be? It's going to be Chaz Schillens, that's who.I guess thare's a slight chance he could keep the job, but that's really a wing and a prayer.
as i noted in the OP, his ability to start going forward is very much in question, so i don't think anybody is alluding to him walking on air... yet (merely asking a question, not pre-announcing his superstardom is immanent & assured)...thanx for reminding me of schillens, of course he was supposed to be the raiders top target initially...if murphy continues to make plays, though, it does give me pause, & at least suggests the possibility that he could play more this season than many (myself included) assumed... and possibly have a bigger role in the future?though schillens is also young, i think (2nd year?)...this should really be two questions...can he be viable as depth & a spot starter as soon as this season?& is he looking more valuable for dynasty purposes?* like knobs, i'm starting to wonder if murphy might be the most talented WR on the roster... he was a 4th or 5th rounder (but colston was just a few picks removed from being mr. irrelevant)...i don't think davis (i'm not even paying lip service to the possibility that the HC cable actually decides who plays :excited: ) would sit DHB when schillens returns... that might be tantamount to conceding he made a mistake... & if schillens is best possession WR, he is probably best suited to play opposite one of the speedsters...but again, if the kid keeps making plays, he may make himself difficult to keep off the field...incidentally, i completely agree it is a long shot that he retains the starting gig over both DHB AND schillens... also that he is clearly a better dynasty than redraft play...
 
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If it's a very large league or you have large rosters, I'd say he's worth a spot in redrafts.

In dynasty leagues, he is definitely someone worth rostering. He's shown flashes of talent in the preseason and he looked good in his first game in the NFL.

 
In dynasty he has upside (although he is no sure thing). In redraft, I don't like him. He is a rookie. He plays on a team with Russell as his QB; I know they connected on a deep pass but how often is that going to happen? He will lose his starting job when Schillens returns.

 
The Raiders WR are weird. All are young, and only Heyward-Bey was a high pick. I like Murphy, I just like Schillens more, and I think that Schillens, being a late pick last year got to show some things last year & enough in pre-season to be the #1 here. If he doesn't have the foot injury, I think he's got Murphy's stat line plus some.

Heyward-Bey looks to have trouble catching a cold.

And I wasn't saying you thought he was "walking on air" - once you put that thread title up there, I couldn't help myself.

I think I'd rank them:

Schillens

Heyward-Bey (only due to Davis)

Murphy

Higgins (needs to go elsewhere)

 
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Before the NFL draft i didn't even bother scouting him, but he really impressed me yesterday. He attacks the ball with his hands every time, even on screens. Add that to his excellent measurables, and i think he's for real.

I'd much rather have Murphy than Heyward-Bey. Once the Oakland WRs come back from injuries, DHB will prob get the opportunities before Murphy, so DHB may be the better guy to have for this year. But in the long run i'd much rather have Murphy as I believe he's a more talented WR than DHB is.

 
Believe it.

I agree he's not going to be much use in redraft because he'll probably be caught in a numbers game, but he was a legit player in college (Urban Meyer has suggested that Murphy might be harder to replace than Harvin), he looked good before the season started, and he was clearly the best WR on the field yesterday. Definitely a buy in Dynasty.

 
Meh. You're supposed to look good when the DBs blow their assignments. I'd like to see him make some real plays before I get excited about him. Right now he's starting by default because the rest of the WRs on the roster are so horrible.

Basically, he's Demetrius Williams with more opportunity. Schilens should supplant him as the team's top WR when he returns.

 
Meh. You're supposed to look good when the DBs blow their assignments. I'd like to see him make some real plays before I get excited about him. Right now he's starting by default because the rest of the WRs on the roster are so horrible. Basically, he's Demetrius Williams with more opportunity. Schilens should supplant him as the team's top WR when he returns.
Not really true. The only WR who might have had a better camp than Murphy was Shilens. Even that is debateable. He's starting because he earned it. On the other hand DHB is starting by default... only because they are paying him starter's money.
 
Meh. You're supposed to look good when the DBs blow their assignments. I'd like to see him make some real plays before I get excited about him. Right now he's starting by default because the rest of the WRs on the roster are so horrible. Basically, he's Demetrius Williams with more opportunity. Schilens should supplant him as the team's top WR when he returns.
Not really true. The only WR who might have had a better camp than Murphy was Shilens. Even that is debateable. He's starting because he earned it. On the other hand DHB is starting by default... only because they are paying him starter's money.
:lmao:EBF you seem to be focusing too much on the one long TD he had. Take that away and he still showed a lot of promise last night. Made a catch in traffic for a TD but it was questionably called back.
 
Meh. You're supposed to look good when the DBs blow their assignments. I'd like to see him make some real plays before I get excited about him. Right now he's starting by default because the rest of the WRs on the roster are so horrible. Basically, he's Demetrius Williams with more opportunity. Schilens should supplant him as the team's top WR when he returns.
Not really true. The only WR who might have had a better camp than Murphy was Shilens. Even that is debateable. He's starting because he earned it. On the other hand DHB is starting by default... only because they are paying him starter's money.
question is, when all 3 are healthy, who goes to the bench?edit: Coach Tom Cable indicated that he would likely eat into Louis Murphy's workload as opposed to Darrius Heyward-Bey's when he does return. "Schilens plays the other side (from Heyward-Bey)," Cable said. "You’ve got the ability to get three guys on the field at the same time and maybe have some fun with that."Source: Jerry McDonald on Twitter
 
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great topic - Murphy has to be the biggest possible gem out there on most deep league waiver wires. Like many others, i have a high priority (#1) and am intrigued with Murphy's potential. Can he be another Boldin?

In the past I've overvalued a high early season waiver selection only to see the "flyers" i pass up go on to become significant contributors. I'm tempted to roll the dice on Murphy and hope another big game cements his role in Oakland in '09.

 
(somewhat controversial reversal in 1st half)
He dropped it. And don't think that this was something rare, he dropped a plethora of passes in the preseason, and even the ones he caught he bobbled around.He just has very, very shaky hands, and I'm a Gator homer that wants nothing but success for the guy...
 
As long as Jamarcus Russell is the QB you should avoid all Oakland receivers. Zach Miller is the only option to own in the passing game in Oakland. There are equally talented receivers with significantly better QB situations to gamble on in the NFL.

Avoid Oakland receivers at all costs.

 
As long as Jamarcus Russell is the QB you should avoid all Oakland receivers. Zach Miller is the only option to own in the passing game in Oakland. There are equally talented receivers with significantly better QB situations to gamble on in the NFL. Avoid Oakland receivers at all costs.
I don't agree with this. Chaz is very talented. Russell will hit him by mistake 4 or 5 times a game when he's aiming for Miller.
 
As long as Jamarcus Russell is the QB you should avoid all Oakland receivers. Zach Miller is the only option to own in the passing game in Oakland. There are equally talented receivers with significantly better QB situations to gamble on in the NFL.Avoid Oakland receivers at all costs.
I would agree with this and consider Schilens the only possible exception, if he shows something upon his return.That team is going to run a lot, and when they throw either the ball's going to McFadden or Miller, or will be about 75% likely to be incomplete if it's intended for a WR (judging by last night).
 
great topic - Murphy has to be the biggest possible gem out there on most deep league waiver wires. Like many others, i have a high priority (#1) and am intrigued with Murphy's potential. Can he be another Boldin?In the past I've overvalued a high early season waiver selection only to see the "flyers" i pass up go on to become significant contributors. I'm tempted to roll the dice on Murphy and hope another big game cements his role in Oakland in '09.
I've got the #1 waiver priority in a very deep dynasty league (300 players rostered, and no PKs), and I'm burning it on Murphy. To give some context, other names on the wire are Robert Royal, Johnnie Knox, Andrew Caldwell, Shawn Nelson, and Mike Wallace.
 
As long as Jamarcus Russell is the QB you should avoid all Oakland receivers. Zach Miller is the only option to own in the passing game in Oakland. There are equally talented receivers with significantly better QB situations to gamble on in the NFL. Avoid Oakland receivers at all costs.
I don't agree with this. Chaz is very talented. Russell will hit him by mistake 4 or 5 times a game when he's aiming for Miller.
If I am going to hope for an occasional home run ball (because you aren't going to see any 12 catch 150 yard 2 TD games from Oakland WRs with that joker under center) I will take a chance on guys like Henderson, Manningham or either of the Claytons (as well as a host of other players) before I will hitch my fantasy teams prospects to any player that relies on Jamarcus Russell for his production.
 
Louis Murphy = Frisman Jackson = Sylvester Morris = We won't remember his name in November.
I disagree with this. Murphy seems to have real talent but unless and until Jamarcus gets caught running an interstate dog fighting ring we will never know.
 
Louis Murphy = Frisman Jackson = Sylvester Morris = We won't remember his name in November.
Frisman Jackson was an undrafted 4th year 3rd string QB/4th string WR from Western Illinois with 200 career receiving yards and 0 career TDs when he went off in week 1 of 2005. Sylvester Morris was a highly-regarded rookie WR who put up 700 receiving yards as a rookie before his career was ended by injuries. Louis Murphy is a rookie 4th rounder from the University of Florida. Not really seeing the comparison.
 
I think I'm the authority for the thread, based on my handle. :confused:

I'm voting no. Schilens and Zach Miller are the guys you want in this passing attack.

 
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I think I'm the authority for the thread, based on my handle. ;)I'm voting no. Schilens and Zach Miller are the guys you want in this passing attack.
i defer to the authoritative voice of the talented mr. ripley's beieve it or not...i still think it is imprtant to make the distinction between redraft (admittedly likely a marginal play) & dynasty (more promising long term)...
 
Can he be another Boldin?
Noooooooo.
who DOES he remind the board of?my go to scout, frank coyle, uses chad jackson as a comp player, and also likens him to robert meachem in terms of size, speed, AA & LOD...ranked by him #10 among class of '09 WRs (between iglesias & tate)...former prep state sprint champ from FL (like CA & TX, more impressive than from, say, RI :shrug: )... but i don't think his speed is really in question going to the raiders...one thing i have tried to emphasize in the past, in the midst of threads about key WR traits & attributes that can portend success at the next level... there is a distinction between running fast & running fast under control... he looks like a very smooth runner & like he plays under control (albeit may be a long strider, not as sure based on the austere highlight package, but i would say he probably doesn't have the kind of cut-on-a-dime cutting ability & nasty stop-start suddenness of his more high profile teammate harvin... but than harvin cost a lot more in dynasty drafts)...coyle does think he is a bit unrefined, but made impressive progress & developmental strides late in his collegiate career... also that he could be a key contributor in 3-4 WR sets right away, & with coaching up, the potential to start in a few years (disclaimer - coyle is right a lot, imo, like when he was very high on carlson last year ((as was mayock)), & likened him to witten, unlike some of my FBG compadres... i do think sometimes frank is a bit liberal with the future starter designations, handing them out like a kindergarten teach gives out gold stars for attendance... at least among top 10 prospects by position... beyond that, i think he is pretty spot on a lot)...
 
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i grabbed him as the #4 wr...why the hell not?

2 or 3 more weeks like this and he's a great find, if not, then ill grab someone else.

risk reward. risk is low, reward is high.

 
Can he be another Boldin?
Noooooooo.
who DOES he remind the board of?my go to scout, frank coyle, uses chad jackson as a comp player, and also likens him to robert meachem in terms of size, speed, AA & LOD...ranked by him #10 among class of '09 WRs (between iglesias & tate)...former prep state sprint champ from FL (like CA & TX, more impressive than from, say, RI :thumbup: )... but i don't think his speed is really in question going to the raiders...one thing i have tried to emphasize in the past, in the midst of threads about key WR traits & attributes that can portend success at the next level... there is a distinction between running fast & running fast under control... he looks like a very smooth runner & like he plays under control (albeit may be a long strider, not as sure based on the austere highlight package, but i would say he probably doesn't have the kind of cut-on-a-dime cutting ability & nasty stop-start suddenness of his more high profile teammate harvin... but than harvin cost a lot more in dynasty drafts)...coyle does think he is a bit unrefined, but made impressive progress & developmental strides late in his collegiate career... also that he could be a key contributor in 3-4 WR sets right away, & with coaching up, the potential to start in a few years (disclaimer - coyle is right a lot, imo, like when he was very high on carlson last year ((as was mayock)), & likened him to witten, unlike some of my FBG compadres... i do think sometimes frank is a bit liberal with the future starter designations, handing them out like a kindergarten teach gives out gold stars for attendance... at least among top 10 prospects by position... beyond that, i think he is pretty spot on a lot)...
I don't think Demetrius Williams is a terrible comparison. They have a similar playing style and pedigree. Both are one-dimensional deep threat WRs. Murphy is a bit thicker. I think he's a mediocre talent thrust into a starting role for lack of any better options. He wouldn't see the field for 2/3 of the teams in the league.
 
The Raiders are not at a point where they can turn away productio

Today he's a bye week filler.

I don't see him staying on the WW.

Next week(it is the raiders) maybe he won't play as much and you drop him. If he does well again, his value will sky rocket. He's certainly worth dropping some backup kicker or 3rd TE you'll never play for.

 
The Raiders are not at a point where they can turn away productioToday he's a bye week filler. I don't see him staying on the WW.Next week(it is the raiders) maybe he won't play as much and you drop him. If he does well again, his value will sky rocket. He's certainly worth dropping some backup kicker or 3rd TE you'll never play for.
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