What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.

Ben Roethlisberger owners (1 Viewer)

grouse

Footballguy
We're two weeks into the season and Big Ben is already pretty banged up. He's posted two pedestrian FF point totals to start the season off and he's got Philadelphia, Baltimore and Jacksonville the next three weeks before he gets a bye-week breather. I'm currently flying without a safety net ie, no backup QB behind Ben and I'm definitely starting to sweat it.

I'm curious to know what other Ben owners are thinking and doing?

Will he miss starts this year?

Will he get his groove on and start posting the kind of numbers we all expected from him coming into 2008?

Do you have a backup plan?

 
not at all. If you watched the game he looked fine. The weather was atrocious. Next week Philly will provide a better test and the game will be closer, so the Steelers will actually have to pass.

 
I thought it was funny when he dodged questions about his shoulder in the post game interview last night.

 
Mike Tomlin denies that Roethlisberger has a seperated shoulder and implied NBC made up the story because it made for good TV. Ben may have a sore shoulder but he threw the ball pretty well last night.

I think his fantasy production isn't what you would like because the Steelers didn't need to throw much in Week 1 and didn't want to throw much last night due to the weather. He should have to throw more next week.

His real stat line looks pretty good though. 3 TDs and a passer rating of 136.3

 
I've already benched him for Warner. Part of that was weather related but I will not start him again until he puts up some good FF numbers.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Well, they destroyed the Texans and didn't pass much at all in the 2nd half. His numbers could've been huge in week 1 if the Texans could have done anything.

And the weather last night killed any chance of a big game, but he had a lot of zip on his passes and still managed a TD with almost 200 yards passing. And he still hasn't thrown an INT.

Given their schedule, I don't see the Steelers winning too many blowouts this year, and in close games, Ben's going to be money as long as he's healthy.

Worrying about his health or his willingness to take hits is a completely different issue.

 
Ben Looks great... not worried at all about him physically.

Hes going to have a similar yr like last 07... about 3300 yds w/ 25 TDs.

 
Worrying about his health or his willingness to take hits is a completely different issue.
Please elaborate; you don't think he's willing to stand in there to deliver the ball? Or something else?
No. Actually, the exact opposite.He might be TOO willing to take hits. He takes extra hits every game because he doesn't let plays die. Granted, he makes a lot of plays that way too and it's part of what makes him a great quarterback. But it also increases the risk of him getting injured or banged up.

 
Was nervous before the game last night. Between the weather, and the shoulder, I was expecting an ugly performance, but he looked great last night.

Throws had alot of zip.

 
Worrying about his health or his willingness to take hits is a completely different issue.
Please elaborate; you don't think he's willing to stand in there to deliver the ball? Or something else?
No. Actually, the exact opposite.He might be TOO willing to take hits. He takes extra hits every game because he doesn't let plays die. Granted, he makes a lot of plays that way too and it's part of what makes him a great quarterback. But it also increases the risk of him getting injured or banged up.
Ah, sure... totally misread that the first time somehow.
 
Was nervous before the game last night. Between the weather, and the shoulder, I was expecting an ugly performance, but he looked great last night.Throws had alot of zip.
I agree. I thought his throws had a lot of velocity - especially into the wind. He made several big throws into the wind last night. I would've liked better numbers from him but all things considered I thought he looked good given the conditions.From a fantasy perspective, though, it does stink that two sweet matchups have gone and gone with only 3 TDs to show for it.
 
I am not upset or worried about Roth. I think he will be just fine. Give him this week to rest again and I think he will be ready for Philly next week - a game that will sure have some points scored in it.

 
I came out of the draft with only BB at the QB spot (no backup). I started to worry about his shoulder a bit last week and picked up Rivers, and actually played Rivers yesterday with the wind advisory on in CLE. Ben looked like he tweaked his right shoulder a few times last night and there were clues here and there that it was bothering him (for example he consistently undid the right side of his chinstrap with his left hand/arm), but I was amazed that he showed so much zip on the ball - especially the TD to Ward as well as a deep out to Ward toward the end of the game from around his own goalline. I think Bed will be fine (he's a warrior) but I do think the Steelers will rely more on the run game in the red zone this season. As much as I like BB, I'm sitting him for Rivers until Rivers either cools off or PIT starts throwing more. Both are likely to happen in the not too distant future. His two favorite TD targets from last season - Santonio and Miller - haven't even scored yet, so there are lots of fireworks still to come. It's just a matter of when, IMO.

 
It doesn't sound like anyone shares my nervousness (which is good). I was debating about whether I needed to consider trading for a quality backup, but I think I'll wait and see how he performs against Philly. They won't be able to run on Philly with same degree of effectiveness as they've had against HOU and CLE.

 
I've already benched him for Warner. Part of that was weather related but I will not start him again until he puts up some good FF numbers.
This is a good move not because of any problem with Ben. Warner is a very good qb on a pass first team with 2 stud wrs. He should be ahead of Ben pretty much all year.
 
Mike Tomlin denies that Roethlisberger has a seperated shoulder and implied NBC made up the story because it made for good TV. Ben may have a sore shoulder but he threw the ball pretty well last night.I think his fantasy production isn't what you would like because the Steelers didn't need to throw much in Week 1 and didn't want to throw much last night due to the weather. He should have to throw more next week.His real stat line looks pretty good though. 3 TDs and a passer rating of 136.3
Yep coaches never lie :lmao:
 
I think if there hadnt been 50 mi. an hour gusts that Ben would have had better stats. I was nervous before the game though with the news/rumours I had been hearing about his shoulder. After watching Ben's velocity and range of motion I highly doubt his shoulder is separated. I never saw him wince or grab his shoulder after he threw his longest passes. If it was separated than the guy has a tolerance for pain like no other human being.

 
Mike Tomlin denies that Roethlisberger has a seperated shoulder and implied NBC made up the story because it made for good TV. Ben may have a sore shoulder but he threw the ball pretty well last night.I think his fantasy production isn't what you would like because the Steelers didn't need to throw much in Week 1 and didn't want to throw much last night due to the weather. He should have to throw more next week.His real stat line looks pretty good though. 3 TDs and a passer rating of 136.3
Yep coaches never lie :confused:
I hear ya -- just telling you what he said. If Tomlin is lying you've got to admit Roeth sure threw well last night (plenty of zip) for a guy with a seperated shoulder.
 
Considering he's already injured, their schedule doesn't get any easier and the O-line wont get any better... I'd sell him while you can.

 
Mike Tomlin denies that Roethlisberger has a seperated shoulder and implied NBC made up the story because it made for good TV. Ben may have a sore shoulder but he threw the ball pretty well last night.I think his fantasy production isn't what you would like because the Steelers didn't need to throw much in Week 1 and didn't want to throw much last night due to the weather. He should have to throw more next week.His real stat line looks pretty good though. 3 TDs and a passer rating of 136.3
Yep coaches never lie :goodposting:
I hear ya -- just telling you what he said. If Tomlin is lying you've got to admit Roeth sure threw well last night (plenty of zip) for a guy with a seperated shoulder.
He threw just fine but why would he clearly complete avoid answering three direct questions in a row about his shoulder if there wasn't a problem?Considering that I'd expect him to get hit again this season, I'd be a bit worried relying on him as my QB.
 
Big Ben is not a fantasy type of qb. He doesn't throw enough and gets sacked too much. I have 2 qbs, Rodgers and Favre on my bench for this reason, because I'm not sold on him as a fantasy qb at all. He's a great qb and I wish fantasy leagues would adjust the scoring accordingly but it's not happening.

 
Mike Tomlin denies that Roethlisberger has a seperated shoulder and implied NBC made up the story because it made for good TV. Ben may have a sore shoulder but he threw the ball pretty well last night.I think his fantasy production isn't what you would like because the Steelers didn't need to throw much in Week 1 and didn't want to throw much last night due to the weather. He should have to throw more next week.His real stat line looks pretty good though. 3 TDs and a passer rating of 136.3
Yep coaches never lie ;)
I hear ya -- just telling you what he said. If Tomlin is lying you've got to admit Roeth sure threw well last night (plenty of zip) for a guy with a seperated shoulder.
He threw just fine but why would he clearly complete avoid answering three direct questions in a row about his shoulder if there wasn't a problem?Considering that I'd expect him to get hit again this season, I'd be a bit worried relying on him as my QB.
I find it hard to believe anyone could throw a football let alone throw bullets in that wind with a separated shoulder.
 
Mike Tomlin denies that Roethlisberger has a seperated shoulder and implied NBC made up the story because it made for good TV. Ben may have a sore shoulder but he threw the ball pretty well last night.I think his fantasy production isn't what you would like because the Steelers didn't need to throw much in Week 1 and didn't want to throw much last night due to the weather. He should have to throw more next week.His real stat line looks pretty good though. 3 TDs and a passer rating of 136.3
Yep coaches never lie :rolleyes:
I hear ya -- just telling you what he said. If Tomlin is lying you've got to admit Roeth sure threw well last night (plenty of zip) for a guy with a seperated shoulder.
He threw just fine but why would he clearly complete avoid answering three direct questions in a row about his shoulder if there wasn't a problem?Considering that I'd expect him to get hit again this season, I'd be a bit worried relying on him as my QB.
I find it hard to believe anyone could throw a football let alone throw bullets in that wind with a separated shoulder.
I agree. I'm not a doctor but it's hard for me to believe he could throw that well if he had a separated shoulder.
 
Mike Tomlin denies that Roethlisberger has a seperated shoulder and implied NBC made up the story because it made for good TV. Ben may have a sore shoulder but he threw the ball pretty well last night.I think his fantasy production isn't what you would like because the Steelers didn't need to throw much in Week 1 and didn't want to throw much last night due to the weather. He should have to throw more next week.His real stat line looks pretty good though. 3 TDs and a passer rating of 136.3
Yep coaches never lie :confused:
I hear ya -- just telling you what he said. If Tomlin is lying you've got to admit Roeth sure threw well last night (plenty of zip) for a guy with a seperated shoulder.
He threw just fine but why would he clearly complete avoid answering three direct questions in a row about his shoulder if there wasn't a problem?Considering that I'd expect him to get hit again this season, I'd be a bit worried relying on him as my QB.
I find it hard to believe anyone could throw a football let alone throw bullets in that wind with a separated shoulder.
I agree. I'm not a doctor but it's hard for me to believe he could throw that well if he had a separated shoulder.
I tend to agree but still found it odd that he wouldn't answer a direct question three times in a row if there wasn't an issue there.I know when many people think of shoulder separation they think of the arm being popped out of the joint and just hanging there. That's a serious 3rd degree separation.It could be just a mild 1st degree speration where a few ligaments in the AC (shoulder) joint are stretched. If this is the case it would just cause some minor discomfort and stiffness which could be addressed through stretching and anti-inflammatories.The concern in this case would be that during the healing process the shoulder is more susceptible to another, and possibly more serious, separation.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Wow, that was interesting. I missed that last night. My take: Either he was ticked off at NBC for saying he had a seperated shoulder when it's less severe; OR, he does have a significant shoulder injury and didn't want to talk about it.

His arm looked good last night though.
He was pissed at Kremer, you could tell.
 
Wow, that was interesting. I missed that last night. My take: Either he was ticked off at NBC for saying he had a seperated shoulder when it's less severe; OR, he does have a significant shoulder injury and didn't want to talk about it.

His arm looked good last night though.
He was pissed at Kremer, you could tell.
 
Wow, that was interesting. I missed that last night. My take: Either he was ticked off at NBC for saying he had a seperated shoulder when it's less severe; OR, he does have a significant shoulder injury and didn't want to talk about it.

His arm looked good last night though.
He was pissed at Kremer, you could tell.
Seemed to me like he was pissed at the report - guys dont like that info being disclosed - sure defense was looking to exploit it. As for Ben as a fantasy QB - I'll take him any day! Top 5 QB - 1st game was a blowout and 2nd in a hurricane. He has a good defense, ver good RB and great WRS - he will have 25+ TDs this year....again.

 
I heard Al Michaels say on a few occasions Ben told him he has a separated AC joint. I'm not a doctor some I'm not sure what an AC joint is. Michaels never said "separated shoulder." He did have good tempo on his release. I think he favored his shoulder on a few occasions. The biggest thing a saw was a few occasions when Ben would walk to the sidelines and unsnap his helmet on both sides using only his left hand. That was not normal. What is means I have no clue but it wasn't normal.

 
I heard Al Michaels say on a few occasions Ben told him he has a separated AC joint. I'm not a doctor some I'm not sure what an AC joint is. Michaels never said "separated shoulder." He did have good tempo on his release. I think he favored his shoulder on a few occasions. The biggest thing a saw was a few occasions when Ben would walk to the sidelines and unsnap his helmet on both sides using only his left hand. That was not normal. What is means I have no clue but it wasn't normal.
separated AC joint = separated shoulder.I think he's hurt, and it's significant. His eyes showed pain several times. I think he was hurting during that interview. An "almost" late hit by Rogers right on the shoulder looked like it made things considerably worse, but Ben is going to fight through this. He won't be the first player or QB to battle through and AC separation for an entire year, but it does lower my expectations for him.
 
We're two weeks into the season and Big Ben is already pretty banged up. He's posted two pedestrian FF point totals to start the season off and he's got Philadelphia, Baltimore and Jacksonville the next three weeks before he gets a bye-week breather. I'm currently flying without a safety net ie, no backup QB behind Ben and I'm definitely starting to sweat it.I'm curious to know what other Ben owners are thinking and doing?Will he miss starts this year?Will he get his groove on and start posting the kind of numbers we all expected from him coming into 2008?Do you have a backup plan?
I'm not worried I also have Aaron Rodgers as my other QB, man I hope I didn't just jinx myself, knock on wood.
 
I can not imagine having a qb backup. Especially with the value at QB later in drafts while teams are drafting backup te's and K and D's. I ussually grab a couple late after I have 4 wr's and 4 rb's I like and starters at the other positions as long as they are players I like and are of value. This year I have Warner and E Manning backing up Ben in case of injury or lack of production.

With Ben and LT performing like thay have weeks 1 and 2 I feel fortunate to be 1-1.

 
I heard Al Michaels say on a few occasions Ben told him he has a separated AC joint. I'm not a doctor some I'm not sure what an AC joint is. Michaels never said "separated shoulder." He did have good tempo on his release. I think he favored his shoulder on a few occasions. The biggest thing a saw was a few occasions when Ben would walk to the sidelines and unsnap his helmet on both sides using only his left hand. That was not normal. What is means I have no clue but it wasn't normal.
separated AC joint = separated shoulder.I think he's hurt, and it's significant. His eyes showed pain several times. I think he was hurting during that interview. An "almost" late hit by Rogers right on the shoulder looked like it made things considerably worse, but Ben is going to fight through this. He won't be the first player or QB to battle through and AC separation for an entire year, but it does lower my expectations for him.
ALMOST LATE ??????? :unsure:
 
He took a monster hit on his shoulder from Shaun Rogers and it looked like it hurt him, but unless it falls off his shoulder I dont see him sitting down.

 
He took a monster hit on his shoulder from Shaun Rogers and it looked like it hurt him, but unless it falls off his shoulder I dont see him sitting down.
We're fantasy players here so I think we all can concede that Ben is tough and will grit out any injury he has, if possible.The question is how bad is he hurt (if he is) and how will it effect his stats, not whether or no he'll "sit down".Personally, I think he has some pain in his shoulder. Maybe a mild AC sprain. He throws looked like they had zip, but I'd be more worried about the cumulative effect of the pounding an NFL QB takes when he is already hurting after two weeks. I don't own him, but was about to make an offer to the guy who does. I'm now reconsidering.
 
NBC-TV reported Sunday night that Roethlisberger has a separated shoulder, described merely as "sore" by coach Mike Tomlin last Tuesday. Indeed, the quarterback has a low-grade separation but it did not prevent him from throwing 19 times, including one pass of at least 60 yards and another of 50 in a swirling wind in Cleveland. He completed 14 of his tosses, one for an 11-yard touchdown to Hines Ward, and finished with a 113.0 passer rating.

Roethlisberger's shoulder injury likely will cause him some discomfort for several weeks. Pittsburgh
Yes, it's encouraging that he can play with pain and chuck the rock 60-yards on a bad shoulder. But we are only 2 weeks into the season and it's pretty difficult to heal a bad shoulder in-season with 280-pound defensive ends pounding you weekly. Best case scenario sees his line protect him better over the next 3 games so he can get some R&R over the bye week.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Big Ben is not a fantasy type of qb. He doesn't throw enough and gets sacked too much. I have 2 qbs, Rodgers and Favre on my bench for this reason, because I'm not sold on him as a fantasy qb at all. He's a great qb and I wish fantasy leagues would adjust the scoring accordingly but it's not happening.
This is true.Year/Attempts/Rank

2007/404/16th

2006/469/11th

2005/268/30th

2004/295/28th

He's a solid, very good QB. Not a fantasy superstar though.

 
Wow, that was interesting. I missed that last night. My take: Either he was ticked off at NBC for saying he had a seperated shoulder when it's less severe; OR, he does have a significant shoulder injury and didn't want to talk about it.

His arm looked good last night though.
He was pissed at Kremer, you could tell.
LOL, he was probably thinking "Where the hell is Melissa Stark? She rocks!"Kremer is annoying.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Mike Tomlin said in his presser today that Ben's shoulder is not separated - "I have no idea where that came from". Tomlin confirmed it was a mild A/C joint sprain. Ben will be limited in practice again this week, but said..."Roethlisberger told him earlier today that his shoulder feels better than it did a week ago."

Also of note, was that Santonio Holmes suffered a knee bruise and would be limited in practice as well.

Audio Link

Overall, this seems like pretty good news for Big Ben.

 
Mike Tomlin said in his presser today that Ben's shoulder is not separated - "I have no idea where that came from". Tomlin confirmed it was a mild A/C joint sprain. Ben will be limited in practice again this week, but said..."Roethlisberger told him earlier today that his shoulder feels better than it did a week ago."

Also of note, was that Santonio Holmes suffered a knee bruise and would be limited in practice as well.

Audio Link

Overall, this seems like pretty good news for Big Ben.
Someone should tell Tomlin that a mild AC joint sprain is a shoulder separation. A mild grade 1 separation, but a separation nonetheless. The bone doesn't have to pop out for it to be a separation.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I so-so worried. I have Delhomme on the bench and I just got Hasselbeck because some one in our league dropped him for Campell; idiot.

Considering starting Hasselbeck against St. Louis, because it is St. Louis, but I am betting I will start Big Ben because I couldn't stomach it if he threw three TD's and Hasselbeck did ok but nothing great with no real WR's.

God I love this #####.

 
I know when many people think of shoulder separation they think of the arm being popped out of the joint and just hanging there. That's a serious 3rd degree separation.

It could be just a mild 1st degree speration where a few ligaments in the AC (shoulder) joint are stretched. If this is the case it would just cause some minor discomfort and stiffness which could be addressed through stretching and anti-inflammatories.

The concern in this case would be that during the healing process the shoulder is more susceptible to another, and possibly more serious, separation.
That's not a separation. That's a dislocation. A shoulder separation has nothing to do with the glenohumeral joint. A shoulder separation has to do with the clavicle and scapula
 
Someone should tell Tomlin that a mild AC joint sprain is a shoulder separation. A mild grade 1 separation, but a separation nonetheless. The bone doesn't have to pop out for it to be a separation.
That's because when the humerus pops out of the socket, it's called a dislocation.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top