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Ben Roethlisberger (1 Viewer)

JKL

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Over at the pro football reference blog, I have a post on Ben Roethlisberger. I figure some might be interested in this study for dynasty or fantasy purposes on this board. The post is below, minus the charts for formatting reasons, or the links so you can go check out the careers of guys like Bert Jones and Neil Lomax:

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In March, Chase did a study evaluating the most valuable quarterbacks looking forward. One of the more interesting results was Jamarcus Russell ending up one spot ahead of Ben Roethlisberger. I’m going to set aside that specific result, and focus on one specific issue affecting Roethlisberger’s value going forward–whether his career path may look different than we expect because of his propensity to take sacks. I was also reminded of this recently when Chase mentioned Ken O’Brien peaking early in last week’s podcast. Do quarterbacks who take alot of sacks early in their career have shorter primes and careers than those who avoid them, all other things being equal? The “all other things being equal” is a tricky one, as avoiding sacks is one component of what makes a QB good and keeps him getting a chance to start. This quick study is not meant as a definitive look at the topic, only a starting spot for further investigation. I pulled all quarterbacks debuting since 1970 who threw at least 1,000 passes by age 26, and had a career yards per pass attempt of 6.0 or higher through age 26, and then looked at their sack rates. Some of those quarterbacks are still active, so I excluded any that were age 36 or younger and still playing last year. That left a nice, even forty quarterbacks. The correlation coefficient between sack percentage through age 26, and the player’s age in their last season in the NFL, is -0.335. This negative correlation means that the quarterbacks who took a higher percentage of sacks at a young age did tend to retire at an earlier age. * * * * The low sack guys did pass for a slightly higher yards per attempt than the high sack guys, but it wasn’t a huge difference. The youngest low sack guy was Jay Schroeder, who retired after age 33. Over half of the above average and high sack guys, on the other hand, were out of football before age 33. Some of these high sack guys may not have been good enough to continue starting or making a roster well into their 30’s anyway. However, there are a few cautionary tales for Roethlisberger’s future. Neil Lomax, the aforementioned Ken O’Brien, and Bert Jones were all very good quarterbacks at age 26, all had a sack percentage of 8.9% or higher, and all were done starting full-time before they turned 32 years old. Jake Plummer had enough and retired before turning 33, as did the one-time phenom Don Majkowski. Randall Cunningham had the highest sack rate of any QB on the list. He did play until he was 38 and had the one magical season in 1998, but was not consistently starting into his 30’s. At the other end of the spectrum, you’ve certainly got Marino, Montana and Favre. You also have less likely cases like Steve DeBerg or last year’s part-time starter in Minnesota, Gus Frerotte.Among players still active, the evidence is similar. How much longer do we expect David Carr and his 212 sacks through age 26 to be in the league? People may forget that he put up decent passing numbers in 2004 before falling apart. Peyton Manning and Daunte Culpepper were two of the best young quarterbacks of all-time, but were on different ends of the sack percentage. Who do we suspect will play into his late 30’s?
 
When Big Ben's healthy, he's proven to be a large dynamic player. However alot of his games feature his clutch mobility in the pocket. My question being. With Ben's history of injury, and with his mobility likely to decrease as he ages.

Do you believe Ben's career will be shorter than the other QB's drafted in his class?

(I'd always wondered this about Vick, when his speed dwindled with age. Would he have the QB intangibles to make it? :thumbup: But alas, we know how that goes.)

 
I don't think any of us know the answer to your question but I think Jamarcus Russell playing for the Raiders is a bigger problem than Roethlisberger's sacks.

 
I think the absolute worst possible thing the careers of Jones and Lomax show, if you take them to be indicative of Big Ben's future, is that he's probably got at least a few good years left, and he should remain productive for them. Those guys were both pretty much 3000/20 guys until injuries forced them out of the game.

It may be true that the data shows you can't absolutely rely on Roethlisberger for another 10+ years of top flight performance. But, if you're relying on ANYBODY for 10+ years of top flight performance, you're following the wrong sport.

If even the most pessimistic data says sack mileage won't catch up to him for another 3-4 years (or more, if you want to factor Cunningham into any averages), then that's plenty of football left for him to have full dynasty value, as far as I'm concerned.

 
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