Ben Roethlisberger (1 Viewer)

[CrossEyed]

Player Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck RateBen Roethlisberger 150 207 72.5 34.5 1,887 9.1 314.5 10 6 90 43.5 52T 26 6 16 104.5
Ben is now putting up numbers that compare with any QB in the NFL. He's not a game manager, he's not a guy that only wins because he's got a great defense. The guy is a top tier QB. Period.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The guy has been a top 5 NFL QB (not FF) for years now. Just about everyone who watches football and knows the game knows this.

 

[Bojang0301]

The guy has been a top 5 NFL QB (not FF) for years now. Just about everyone who watches football and knows the game knows this.

Not according to a lot of the personalities around these parts.Edit to add: While I would still like to see more balance I'm kind of glad that they have spread it out and let Ben do his work. There is truely no argument now. I would say him, P. Manning, Brady, Favre, and Brees are the top 5 active right now.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Player			Comp	Att	  Pct	Att/G	  Yds	  Avg	Yds/G	TD	Int	1st	1st%	Lng	20+	40+	Sck	RateBen Roethlisberger 150	 207	 72.5	 34.5	 1,887   9.1	 314.5	 10	 6	 90	 43.5	 52T	 26	 6	 16	 104.5

Ben is now putting up numbers that compare with any QB in the NFL. He's not a game manager, he's not a guy that only wins because he's got a great defense. The guy is a top tier QB. Period.

No need to defend him CE. Steelers fans know how good he is and pretty soon the entire league will.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The guy has been a top 5 NFL QB (not FF) for years now. Just about everyone who watches football and knows the game knows this.

Not according to a lot of the personalities around these parts.

That's because a lot of people in life, especially on the internet, simply don't like admitting when they are wrong, and after suggesting that BR was never that good, only to see him become one of the top 5 QBs in the NFL, has got to be galling for those peeps. You would have to be an idiot to have watched what he did at the end of last year's Super Bowl and still think he is not a great QB. Sometimes, you have to look past the statistics.

Steelers fans know how good he is and pretty soon the entire league will.

I am pretty sure the whole league knows already how good BR is.

 

[sts911911]

The guy has been a top 5 NFL QB (not FF) for years now. Just about everyone who watches football and knows the game knows this.

Not according to a lot of the personalities around these parts.Edit to add: While I would still like to see more balance I'm kind of glad that they have spread it out and let Ben do his work. There is truely no argument now. I would say him, P. Manning, Brady, Favre, and Brees are the top 5 active right now.

He's a great QB, but I don't see him being in the same class as Manning, Brees and a healthy Brady... to say that no argument can be made for Ben not being in same class as these guys seems foolish to me.

 

[Bojang0301]

The guy has been a top 5 NFL QB (not FF) for years now. Just about everyone who watches football and knows the game knows this.

Not according to a lot of the personalities around these parts.Edit to add: While I would still like to see more balance I'm kind of glad that they have spread it out and let Ben do his work. There is truely no argument now. I would say him, P. Manning, Brady, Favre, and Brees are the top 5 active right now.

He's a great QB, but I don't see him being in the same class as Manning, Brees and a healthy Brady... to say that no argument can be made for Ben not being in same class as these guys seems foolish to me.

:shrugs:

 

[thekidd2009]

The guy has been a top 5 NFL QB (not FF) for years now. Just about everyone who watches football and knows the game knows this.

Not according to a lot of the personalities around these parts.Edit to add: While I would still like to see more balance I'm kind of glad that they have spread it out and let Ben do his work. There is truely no argument now. I would say him, P. Manning, Brady, Favre, and Brees are the top 5 active right now.

never really heard alot of arguing over big ben being in the top 5 of qbs in the league....in fantasy sure everyone would argue about that.

 

[Tau837]

Player			Comp	Att	  Pct	Att/G	  Yds	  Avg	Yds/G	TD	Int	1st	1st%	Lng	20+	40+	Sck	RateBen Roethlisberger 150	 207	 72.5	 34.5	 1,887   9.1	 314.5	 10	 6	 90	 43.5	 52T	 26	 6	 16	 104.5

Ben is now putting up numbers that compare with any QB in the NFL. He's not a game manager, he's not a guy that only wins because he's got a great defense. The guy is a top tier QB. Period.

The premise of your post seems to be that his performance this season should finally convince people who have not previously felt Roethlisberger was in the top tier of NFL QBs that he deserves to be in that group. Based on that premise:1. As someone in the group you are addressing with this post, I can assure you it will take more than 5 games. If he plays this well all season, it will elevate my opinion of where he fits among current QBs.2. #1 is especially true (for me) given that those 5 games have been against teams that currently rank as follows in passing yards allowed: 30, 32, 23, 28, 22. And as follows in passing TDs allowed: 30, 12, 7, 26, 32. No doubt these numbers are influenced by the fact that they faced Roethlisberger within a small sample of games so far, but the fact remains that as of now this looks like a pretty weak set of opponents.3. As well as he is playing, no way would I say he is in the top tier of QBs today, which I would say includes only Peyton Manning, Brady, and Brees. That said, I have always felt Roethlisberger is a better NFL QB than fantasy QB. No doubt he's in the second tier of NFL QBs. For me, the jury is out for him as a fantasy QB, though he is certainly poised to move up if he keeps up this performance.I know there are plenty who disagree with my views... even some non Steeler fans... and I'm fine with that.

 

[Knobs]

I've thought he was an elite real life qb for some time now. Not so much fantasy one.

 

[kaa]

I've never doubted his talent, even when he was a rookie. I just see him as injury-prone. Ben has a history of concussions, and studies show once you have a medical history of concussions, you can expect more in the future. I think he will have a short NFL career. I expect him to miss more and more games every year going forward. He might be 2-3 more concussions away from hanging them up.

 

[SSOG]

3. As well as he is playing, no way would I say he is in the top tier of QBs today, which I would say includes only Peyton Manning, Brady, and Brees. That said, I have always felt Roethlisberger is a better NFL QB than fantasy QB. No doubt he's in the second tier of NFL QBs. For me, the jury is out for him as a fantasy QB, though he is certainly poised to move up if he keeps up this performance.I know there are plenty who disagree with my views... even some non Steeler fans... and I'm fine with that.

I agree that Ben Roethlisberger doesn't have an argument for the title of best QB in the NFL... but I'd say he's definitely the best YOUNG QB in the NFL. There isn't another QB under the age of 30 I'd rather have leading my team. If every player in the league was put into a player pool and we had a Madden-style fantasy draft, I'd take Roethlisberger #1 overall.By the way, CrossEyed, you should come hang out with us in the Dynasty SuperThread. EBF, F&L, and I have been pimping Roethlisberger relentlessly for years now- both as an NFL QB *AND* as a fantasy QB.

 

[timschochet]

I'm a Steeler fan; love Big Ben. I have to say I'm also very very very impressed with Joe Flacco. I think this may be a great rivalry for years to come.

 

[Steelfan7]

I've never doubted his talent, even when he was a rookie. I just see him as injury-prone. Ben has a history of concussions, and studies show once you have a medical history of concussions, you can expect more in the future. I think he will have a short NFL career. I expect him to miss more and more games every year going forward. He might be 2-3 more concussions away from hanging them up.

If you mean short as in George Blanda standards then yes I agree.

 

[Godsbrother]

As an NFL QB, he is among the best in the game and certainly deserves to be mentioned along with the Mannings and Brady. With his 2 Super Bowl victories and 8-2 playoff record I place him ahead of Brees and Rivers.

As far as fantasy goes he was great in 2007 but had a down year last year. Been lighting it up this season and with the way the Arians is calling the games I think that trend will continue. Tough matchup this week though...

 

[FUBAR]

I'm a Steeler fan; love Big Ben. I have to say I'm also very very very impressed with Joe Flacco. I think this may be a great rivalry for years to come.

It's funny you mention Flacco, as when he was drafted I thought he reminded me a lot of Ben. The teams are similar too. I agree, Ben, Flacco, Ryan, Cutler and Rodgers are the "next" generation of great QBs after Peyton, Brady and Brees.

 

[Native]

Havent been his biggest fan over the years, but I have to give him his props. Hes playing lights out and has put the team on his back this year.

One less Big Ben doubter on the board...

 

[Dought Man]

With the Steelers defense being a bit more human, and the lack of a running game, Ben has had to carry the load on his back most weeks. He is top 3 in real life and probably top 8 in fantasy from here on out. I think you can expect about 265 and 2 td's as 'average' for him going forward.

 

[Adebisi]

I have him fourth behind (in no order) Brady, Manning, and Brees. Not sure if 4th best equates to "elite," but why argue over semantics?

 

[parasaurolophus]

I have him fourth behind (in no order) Brady, Manning, and Brees. Not sure if 4th best equates to "elite," but why argue over semantics?

i would say 4th best QB on the planet can equal elite, but thats just me.

 

[LuckyOne]

studies show once you have a medical history of concussions, you can expect more in the future.

I would like to see these studies that past concussions predict future concussions.It's widely accepted that repeated concussions result in cumulative brain tissue injury resulting in greater and longer lasting concussion symptoms and a greater risk of trauma from future concussions. Although it may be possible that concussions are more easily sustained in those with prior concussions/brain injury, I'm not sure there is any data that reliable connects past concussions with the ease in which a person will suffer future concussions.Do you have the data/tests/study results to support your hypothesis?

 

[gianmarco]

Player			Comp	Att	  Pct	Att/G	  Yds	  Avg	Yds/G	TD	Int	1st	1st%	Lng	20+	40+	Sck	RateBen Roethlisberger 150	 207	 72.5	 34.5	 1,887   9.1	 314.5	 10	 6	 90	 43.5	 52T	 26	 6	 16	 104.5

Ben is now putting up numbers that compare with any QB in the NFL. He's not a game manager, he's not a guy that only wins because he's got a great defense. The guy is a top tier QB. Period.

The premise of your post seems to be that his performance this season should finally convince people who have not previously felt Roethlisberger was in the top tier of NFL QBs that he deserves to be in that group. Based on that premise:1. As someone in the group you are addressing with this post, I can assure you it will take more than 5 games. If he plays this well all season, it will elevate my opinion of where he fits among current QBs.2. #1 is especially true (for me) given that those 5 games have been against teams that currently rank as follows in passing yards allowed: 30, 32, 23, 28, 22. And as follows in passing TDs allowed: 30, 12, 7, 26, 32. No doubt these numbers are influenced by the fact that they faced Roethlisberger within a small sample of games so far, but the fact remains that as of now this looks like a pretty weak set of opponents.3. As well as he is playing, no way would I say he is in the top tier of QBs today, which I would say includes only Peyton Manning, Brady, and Brees. That said, I have always felt Roethlisberger is a better NFL QB than fantasy QB. No doubt he's in the second tier of NFL QBs. For me, the jury is out for him as a fantasy QB, though he is certainly poised to move up if he keeps up this performance.I know there are plenty who disagree with my views... even some non Steeler fans... and I'm fine with that.

Couldn't have said it any better myself. And he's definitely playing lights out right now. I've never been a fan of his for fantasy but this year he's giving his owners more than their money's worth.

 

[p00h]

The guy has been a top 5 NFL QB (not FF) for years now. Just about everyone who watches football and knows the game knows this.

Not according to a lot of the personalities around these parts.Edit to add: While I would still like to see more balance I'm kind of glad that they have spread it out and let Ben do his work. There is truely no argument now. I would say him, P. Manning, Brady, Favre, and Brees are the top 5 active right now.

Dude has 2 rings. End of story. Also, there is a difference between accepting someone as an elite qb in plain football terms, and doing so in Fantasy football terms. I, a jets fan, have had the utmost respect for Big ben pretty much since he got into the league, mainly because of how he plays the game. That respect has grown based on his success. I believe he is now an elite fantasy qb too...

 

[Adebisi]

I have him fourth behind (in no order) Brady, Manning, and Brees. Not sure if 4th best equates to "elite," but why argue over semantics?

i would say 4th best QB on the planet can equal elite, but thats just me.

Let's keep things in context. The 40th best QB on the planet could also be called "elite," but I don't see anyone lining up to use that term to describe JeMarcus Russell.

 

[Hedgehog]

Impressed so far but his schedule has been pretty easy...if he keeps this up for a few more games when it toughens up I will be more impressed.

 

[MikeApf]

Player			Comp	Att	  Pct	Att/G	  Yds	  Avg	Yds/G	TD	Int	1st	1st%	Lng	20+	40+	Sck	RateBen Roethlisberger 150	 207	 72.5	 34.5	 1,887   9.1	 314.5	 10	 6	 90	 43.5	 52T	 26	 6	 16	 104.5

Ben is now putting up numbers that compare with any QB in the NFL. He's not a game manager, he's not a guy that only wins because he's got a great defense. The guy is a top tier QB. Period.

Stats aside, Big Ben has won 2 Super Bowls...that fact alone makes him elite in my book. The thing is, he never had to be a stat monster before. And so, he only slinged it when he had to. But with that said, he's always been clutch. Last year in the Super Bowl, he was clutch when he had to be. As has been pointed out, this year he's had to throw it more and he's coming through. Now he's elite in Fantasy as well.But being elite does not mean you just put up big numbers. Vinny Testeverde put up big numbers, yardage wise and TD wise and was a good Fantasy QB. You can't define elite QB in the "real world" in "fantasy terms" though. Ben has always done what he needed to let his team win. That's the object of the game, not putting up gawdy numbers.M

 

[FUBAR]

I have him fourth behind (in no order) Brady, Manning, and Brees. Not sure if 4th best equates to "elite," but why argue over semantics?

i would say 4th best QB on the planet can equal elite, but thats just me.

Let's keep things in context. The 40th best QB on the planet could also be called "elite," but I don't see anyone lining up to use that term to describe JeMarcus Russell.

let's put it this way. If we were to draft our own NFL teams, there's a good chance Ben would be the first player chosen. He's certainly a top 10 pick. That's elite.

 

[Adebisi]

I have him fourth behind (in no order) Brady, Manning, and Brees. Not sure if 4th best equates to "elite," but why argue over semantics?

i would say 4th best QB on the planet can equal elite, but thats just me.

Let's keep things in context. The 40th best QB on the planet could also be called "elite," but I don't see anyone lining up to use that term to describe JeMarcus Russell.

let's put it this way. If we were to draft our own NFL teams, there's a good chance Ben would be the first player chosen. He's certainly a top 10 pick. That's elite.

Are we drafting for 2009, or are we drafting dynasties? If we're drafting for 2009, there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that he gets picked first overall. And if we're drafting for dynasties, then you're basing at least some of his value on his age, which shouldn't really be part of the equation when we're talking about who the elite QBs are right now.

 

[kaa]

studies show once you have a medical history of concussions, you can expect more in the future.

I would like to see these studies that past concussions predict future concussions.It's widely accepted that repeated concussions result in cumulative brain tissue injury resulting in greater and longer lasting concussion symptoms and a greater risk of trauma from future concussions. Although it may be possible that concussions are more easily sustained in those with prior concussions/brain injury, I'm not sure there is any data that reliable connects past concussions with the ease in which a person will suffer future concussions.

Do you have the data/tests/study results to support your hypothesis?

http://www.neurosurgerytoday.org/what/pati.../concussion.aspA study conducted by McGill University in Montreal found that 60 percent of college soccer players reported symptoms of a concussion at least once during the season. The study also revealed that concussion rates in soccer players were comparable to those in football. According to this study, athletes who suffered a concussion were four to six times more likely to suffer a second concussion.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...ons-cover_N.htm

A 2003 study of college players (Guskiewicz was lead author) found those with previous concussions more likely to have future ones than those with no history and were slower to recover.

 

[Road Warriors]

Player Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck RateBen Roethlisberger 150 207 72.5 34.5 1,887 9.1 314.5 10 6 90 43.5 52T 26 6 16 104.5Ben is now putting up numbers that compare with any QB in the NFL. He's not a game manager, he's not a guy that only wins because he's got a great defense. The guy is a top tier QB. Period.

Stats aside, Big Ben has won 2 Super Bowls...that fact alone makes him elite in my book. The thing is, he never had to be a stat monster before. And so, he only slinged it when he had to. But with that said, he's always been clutch. Last year in the Super Bowl, he was clutch when he had to be. As has been pointed out, this year he's had to throw it more and he's coming through. Now he's elite in Fantasy as well.

But being elite does not mean you just put up big numbers. Vinny Testeverde put up big numbers, yardage wise and TD wise and was a good Fantasy QB. You can't define elite QB in the "real world" in "fantasy terms" though. Ben has always done what he needed to let his team win. That's the object of the game, not putting up gawdy numbers.

M

You could have posted the bolded above in 2007 under any thread titled Brady. I see a lot of similarities in the Fantasy world's perception of Ben now and of Brady pre-2007. As a fan of an opposing team, Big Ben drives me nuts with his ability to keep plays alive and make things happen on the field. He is a top flight QB and should be for years, and the only thing that will hold him back in Fantasy is opportunity. If the Steelers continue to throw the ball as frequently as they have to this point, he will be a top Fantasy QB to match his already elite real-world QB resume.

 

[FUBAR]

I have him fourth behind (in no order) Brady, Manning, and Brees. Not sure if 4th best equates to "elite," but why argue over semantics?

i would say 4th best QB on the planet can equal elite, but thats just me.

Let's keep things in context. The 40th best QB on the planet could also be called "elite," but I don't see anyone lining up to use that term to describe JeMarcus Russell.

let's put it this way. If we were to draft our own NFL teams, there's a good chance Ben would be the first player chosen. He's certainly a top 10 pick. That's elite.

Are we drafting for 2009, or are we drafting dynasties? If we're drafting for 2009, there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that he gets picked first overall. And if we're drafting for dynasties, then you're basing at least some of his value on his age, which shouldn't really be part of the equation when we're talking about who the elite QBs are right now.

franchise, dynasty. and yes, age is a factor IMO

 

[Tom Servo]

Impressed so far but his schedule has been pretty easy...if he keeps this up for a few more games when it toughens up I will be more impressed.

I'll wait....

 

[switz]

Player			Comp	Att	  Pct	Att/G	  Yds	  Avg	Yds/G	TD	Int	1st	1st%	Lng	20+	40+	Sck	RateBen Roethlisberger 150	 207	 72.5	 34.5	 1,887   9.1	 314.5	 10	 6	 90	 43.5	 52T	 26	 6	 16	 104.5

Ben is now putting up numbers that compare with any QB in the NFL. He's not a game manager, he's not a guy that only wins because he's got a great defense. The guy is a top tier QB. Period.

Funny thing is, the other day myself and two friends were talking about the elite QBs in the NFL. I have long been a Big Ben naysayer, but I threw him out there as one of the top-5 QBs in the game, and both of my friends told me I was an idiot for thinking Ben was remotely good. One was a Giants fan BTW, the other a Pats fan. I tend to think Ben's not elite either. He's a good QB, but not elite.

 

[switz]

I agree that Ben Roethlisberger doesn't have an argument for the title of best QB in the NFL... but I'd say he's definitely the best YOUNG QB in the NFL. There isn't another QB under the age of 30 I'd rather have leading my team. If every player in the league was put into a player pool and we had a Madden-style fantasy draft, I'd take Roethlisberger #1 overall.

I would easily take Matt Ryan over him... easily

 

[Ghost Rider]

Funny thing is, the other day myself and two friends were talking about the elite QBs in the NFL. I have long been a Big Ben naysayer, but I threw him out there as one of the top-5 QBs in the game, and both of my friends told me I was an idiot for thinking Ben was remotely good. One was a Giants fan BTW, the other a Pats fan.

Birds of a feather...

 

[joffer]

you ever get the feeling that he's sometimes daring defenders to try and tackle him when he holds the ball in the pocket?

great QB and fun to watch

 

[Copeman]

If there are any naysayers left, they either:

Do not or have not seen Ben play enough, especially the past couple years.

Tend to think fantasy football=reality.

Are Steeler haters.

Are horrible fishermen.

Do not fully know or understand the game of football.

Have a QB on the team they follow who is also elite, thereby thinking that by saying Ben is elite somehow diminishes their QB's "eliteness".

 

[treat88]

I don't think it's even rational to argue he's not an elite NFL QB. It's not even defensible to say otherwise.

In FF terms sure, I'd put him a step below the usual names.

 

[LittlePhatty]

I owned him last year and got tired of all the sacks.

Put him on my "do not draft" list this year.

REALLY wrong on that one, especially since I took Garrard instead.

 

[Two Deep]

Whats not to like: Tough blue collar QB who just win's who can deny that. By the way Chad Henne is the next Ben Roethlisberger.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Player			Comp	Att	  Pct	Att/G	  Yds	  Avg	Yds/G	TD	Int	1st	1st%	Lng	20+	40+	Sck	RateBen Roethlisberger 150	 207	 72.5	 34.5	 1,887   9.1	 314.5	 10	 6	 90	 43.5	 52T	 26	 6	 16	 104.5

Ben is now putting up numbers that compare with any QB in the NFL. He's not a game manager, he's not a guy that only wins because he's got a great defense. The guy is a top tier QB. Period.

Funny thing is, the other day myself and two friends were talking about the elite QBs in the NFL. I have long been a Big Ben naysayer, but I threw him out there as one of the top-5 QBs in the game, and both of my friends told me I was an idiot for thinking Ben was remotely good. One was a Giants fan BTW, the other a Pats fan. I tend to think Ben's not elite either. He's a good QB, but not elite.

Your friends are the true idiots for actually believing that he's not even "remotely good". There's nothing wrong with considering him "good but not elite". Hell, I can even understand people thinking he's an average talent. There is no justification for believing that he's "not remotely good" given all of his accomplishments to date.

 

[cstu]

72% completion percentage and 9.1 Y/A signal elite to me.

The odd thing about Ben is that for as accurate as he is he does throw a relatively large number of interceptions.

 

[switz]

Player			Comp	Att	  Pct	Att/G	  Yds	  Avg	Yds/G	TD	Int	1st	1st%	Lng	20+	40+	Sck	RateBen Roethlisberger 150	 207	 72.5	 34.5	 1,887   9.1	 314.5	 10	 6	 90	 43.5	 52T	 26	 6	 16	 104.5

Ben is now putting up numbers that compare with any QB in the NFL. He's not a game manager, he's not a guy that only wins because he's got a great defense. The guy is a top tier QB. Period.

Funny thing is, the other day myself and two friends were talking about the elite QBs in the NFL. I have long been a Big Ben naysayer, but I threw him out there as one of the top-5 QBs in the game, and both of my friends told me I was an idiot for thinking Ben was remotely good. One was a Giants fan BTW, the other a Pats fan. I tend to think Ben's not elite either. He's a good QB, but not elite.

Your friends are the true idiots for actually believing that he's not even "remotely good". There's nothing wrong with considering him "good but not elite". Hell, I can even understand people thinking he's an average talent. There is no justification for believing that he's "not remotely good" given all of his accomplishments to date.

Which was my point in posting my experience. I agree that Ben is a good QB, but was surprised that there are others out there who don't think he ... While I wouldn't lump him in with Brady, Favre, Brees, or Manning (peyton), I think he is in the next tier, and though I would take Ryan, Eli, and maybe Rivers over him, there's no way anyone could legitimately say he's not a good QB. I can see an argument for top-5, but there's no argument that he's not top-10 in today's NFL.

 

[Sweet Love]

Ben is also a bit of a slave to the system they choose to run from year-to-year depending on personnel at the time. What I mean by this is that Pitt will always run first if they can; if they can't (i.e. Parker injury a couple of years back, or waiting for Mendenhall to develop this year), Ben is as capable as almost any other QB in the league to take his team on his shoulders.

I think when all is said and done, the class of Roth, Eli and Rivers will be the closest thing we get to the vaunted class of '83. Already, they own more rings and while they will never approach the number of SB appearances as the class of '83, I think we can say that (1), each QB in that class is as important to his team as the class of '83 QBs were to theirs and (2) while the class of '83 may be entrenched for years to come in the top 10 in all-time passing, it would not surprise me if Ben's class all ended up in the top 20.

Sorry if I went off on a tangent there; I think with the way Eli and Rivers air it out, we assumed Ben was a game manager. I think the truth is that he only "game manages" when he is asked to. In fact, the level of control he has is amazing. All QBs want to throw it (and few can do it like Ben), so imagine the self-restraint he shows when he is asked to hand it off 30 times to Mendenhall.

 

[Adebisi]

If there are any naysayers left, they eithero not or have not seen Ben play enough, especially the past couple years.Tend to think fantasy football=reality.Are Steeler haters.Are horrible fishermen.Do not fully know or understand the game of football.Have a QB on the team they follow who is also elite, thereby thinking that by saying Ben is elite somehow diminishes their QB's "eliteness".

@ posts like this."If you disagree with me, that just means you either don't understand football or you just hate my team."

 

[treat88]

If there are any naysayers left, they eithero not or have not seen Ben play enough, especially the past couple years.Tend to think fantasy football=reality.Are Steeler haters.Are horrible fishermen.Do not fully know or understand the game of football.Have a QB on the team they follow who is also elite, thereby thinking that by saying Ben is elite somehow diminishes their QB's "eliteness".

@ posts like this."If you disagree with me, that just means you either don't understand football or you just hate my team."

Agreed.But it does remind me of a lot of recent Tom Brady threads as well. Think you accused me of wearing black and gold shades cause we had differing opinions.Some fans are going to stick up for their guy regardless.

 

[Bankerguy]

#1 scoring QB in our league.

 

[Copeman]

If there are any naysayers left, they eithero not or have not seen Ben play enough, especially the past couple years.Tend to think fantasy football=reality.Are Steeler haters.Are horrible fishermen.Do not fully know or understand the game of football.Have a QB on the team they follow who is also elite, thereby thinking that by saying Ben is elite somehow diminishes their QB's "eliteness".

@ posts like this."If you disagree with me, that just means you either don't understand football or you just hate my team."

So which one are you? I'll take a guess and say you are a #3 and a #6. Probably a #5 as well.

 

[pollardsvision]

Trying to "rank" Roethlisberger among NFL QBs is a very difficult thing to do.

The term "elite" is also hard to define. 2 titles in 4 seasons, almost by definition, pretty much makes you elite.

He's clearly not a game manager. No matter how good the defense was last year, he did something that's nearly impossible to do: win a SB with an atrocious running game. Roethlisberger is a playmaker and has been for a while now.

By "elite" though, I assume you mean, "in the same class as Peyton and Brady".

That's a tough call. I think we are in a golden age of QBs right now. As great as Roethlisberger is, I could make the case that the following QBs are as good or better: Peyton, Brady, Brees, Favre, Rivers, Eli, Cutler, McNabb, and Warner. Then there's a chunk of players that aren't far behind Roethisberger at all: Ryan, Flacco, Palmer, Rodgers and Schaub.

I think ranking these guys is pretty much impossible. Personally, I'd put Roethlisberger pretty much tied with Eli, both a touch behind Peyton/Brady/Brees.

I couldn't really argue against anyone that wanted to say Roethlisberger was on par with Peyton/Brady/Brees though. He's an amazing QB.

 

[KellysHeroes]

NFL QBs, haven't many arguments thats hes not one of the top 5 NFL QBs in the league...Guy has 2 SBs and hes only in mid to later 20s.

FF QBs, I'm shocked by the #s he keeps putting up.... expect it to slow down some has the weather changes.