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Bench your Saints (1 Viewer)

Sebowski

Sebowski

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Fact: The Redskins have the highest rank pass D in the league

Fact: The Saints have yet to face a pass D ranked higher than #1

You've been warned

 
1 Sun, Sep 13 New York Giants @ NY Giants (0-0) L 17 - 23

2 Sun, Sep 20 St. Louis Rams vs St. Louis (0-1) W 9 - 7

3 Sun, Sep 27 Detroit Lions @ Detroit (0-2) L 14 - 19

4 Sun, Oct 4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs Tampa Bay (0-3) W 16 - 13

5 Sun, Oct 11 Carolina Panthers @ Carolina (0-3) L 17 - 20

6 Sun, Oct 18 Kansas City Chiefs vs Kansas City (0-5) L 6 - 14

7 Mon, Oct 26 Philadelphia Eagles vs Philadelphia (3-2) L 17 - 27

8 Bye

9 Sun, Nov 8 Atlanta Falcons @ Atlanta (4-3) L 17 - 31

10 Sun, Nov 15 Denver Broncos vs Denver (6-2) W 27 - 17

11 Sun, Nov 22 Dallas Cowboys @ Dallas (6-3) L 6 - 7

12 Sun, Nov 29 Philadelphia Eagles @ Philadelphia (6-4) L 24 - 27

Hide the children! The juggernaut Redskins have faced: Eli, Bulger, Stafford, Josh Johnson, Delhomme, McNabb (2x), Ryan, Orton, and Romo. Not exactly the murderer's row of QBs. Brees will be fine. Shocked if he doesn't put up 200 and 3.

Only Romo, Eli, and McNabb are ranked in the top 15 QBs. Barely 1/2 of those QBs are teams with winning records. Orton had 2 TDs in one half before going out with injury. Romo, Eli and McNabb are all division rivals, where games are often much more unpredictable.

 
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Washington ranks 8th in the league in yards per attempt allowed.

The Redskins have allowed 4 more TDs than INTs, so they're only 12th in ANY/A allowed.

Washington ranks 4th in the league in net yards per attempt allowed.

The top three defenses in net yards per pass allowed? The Jets, Eagles and Saints. Brees shredded the Eagles. He got shut down by the Jets. I'd be slightly worried about this matchup, but New England was the 9th best D in NY/A allowed heading into this past matchup. So I wouldn't worry enough to bench any of my Saints.

 
The colder weather, and a let down after a big game is the only concern I have. I don't think Brees goes off, but they will certainly do enough to win by 10.

 
Brees' worst yardage day of 2008? Yep, 216 yards at Washington. Only 1 TD and he threw 2 INTs. You've been doubly warned!

 
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dgreen said:
Brees' worst yardage day of 2008? Yep, 216 yards at Washington. Only 1 TD and he threw 2 INTs. You've been doubly warned!
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Past is not prologue without context.2008 stats dont really even matter at this point:* WAS game was in WK2* NO had no running game, Bush had 2.8 ypc on 10 totes, McAllister had 1 carry, Thomas had 2* NO had unreliable WRs/TE, Bush was leading recvr (Colston was out, Shockey was gimpy, Moore was unknown)Does this sound anything like the 2009 Saints. Didn't think so.Here are some interesting stats on the 2009 Redskins pass defense:* only 28 PaAt/g, lowest in league, lower than Raiders, Panthers, Bucs.* 29.5 RuAt/g, only lower than Raiders, Chiefs, Bills, Bucs and Rams.* 4.3 RuYd/C, 127 RuYd/GTo me, this smells like a mediocre run defense that allows teams to get up early and run out the clock. Pass defense is only good by dearth of opportunity. Combined with Redskins general ineptness on offense, they just don't face that many teams airing it out. Redskins have been leading at halftime only twice (CAR, DAL) this year.How many teams has NO faced this year that actually had good pass defense (top 10 FO)? PHI (300 YD, 3TD), BUF and NYJ (both destroyed by run game), CAR (330 YD, 1 TD), NYG (369 YD, 4 TD). We heard this dire prediction before each of these games. OMG, pass defense is gonna shut down Brees and Company! None of them managed to do so, unless they just gave up so many points on the ground the game was over before it could start.I ain't benchin nobody!
 
I sincerely hope you're right.

Not because I own any Saints. Nor does my opponent. But the Brees owner in my league needs a win this week to get into our playoffs. And keeping Brees out of the FF playoffs is a good thing for me.

 
Sebowski said:
Fact: The Redskins have the highest rank pass D in the leagueFact: The Saints have yet to face a pass D ranked higher than #1You've been warned
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Something to note here: the Skins inept offense is going to give the Saints so many chances to score that even a lower than normal rate of scoring will do.This may end up the highest scoring offense in history. Factor that in.
 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Something to note here: the Skins inept offense is going to give the Saints so many chances to score that even a lower than normal rate of scoring will do.
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My prediction: The Saints go up 21-0 thanks to three TDs by DARREN SHARPER and they are content to pound it out on the ground the rest of the way.OK, so not likely. But I am willing to bet the Saints D scores this week.
 
It is a consideration for me to bench Brees. That is only because I have Schaub as my backup. I like Schaub's matchup @ Jacksonville, but I don't know if i like it enough to bench Brees. I have a few days to make that decision. Either way I decide to go, it will have nothing to do with the Washington homer's original post.

 
FACT: Only one of the Saints' top four receivers (including Shockey, a former divisional foe) has scored a TD on the Redskins since the end of the 2005 season. That receiver was Robert Meachem, who caught one 19 yard pass for a TD in a 2008 game. That is the absolute best you can hope for from a Saints receiver in this game.

Folks, you've been warned. Bench ALL your Saints this weekend. In fact, I'd probably bench them in future Saints games that are played within 200 miles of FedEx Field, just to be safe.

 
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Washington ranks 8th in the league in yards per attempt allowed.The Redskins have allowed 4 more TDs than INTs, so they're only 12th in ANY/A allowed.Washington ranks 4th in the league in net yards per attempt allowed.The top three defenses in net yards per pass allowed? The Jets, Eagles and Saints. Brees shredded the Eagles. He got shut down by the Jets. I'd be slightly worried about this matchup, but New England was the 9th best D in NY/A allowed heading into this past matchup. So I wouldn't worry enough to bench any of my Saints.
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:shrug: ASYS ;)
 
dgreen said:
Brees' worst yardage day of 2008? Yep, 216 yards at Washington. Only 1 TD and he threw 2 INTs. You've been doubly warned!
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Man, you WAS homers with your STATS and FACTS...sheesh.I still wouldn't sit Brees.
 
I'm considering picking up Mark Brunell and starting him this week. He should be able to put up pretty good numbers playing the entire second half.

 
Actually the #1 D against the pass for FANTASY is Carolina (at least in my league). I saw that last week and I benched Cotchery because of it. That obviously worked out...

So bench your WRs and QBs playing Carolina! You've been warned!

 
Sebowski said:
Fact: The Redskins have the highest rank pass D in the leagueFact: The Saints have yet to face a pass D ranked higher than #1You've been warned
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How much of that ranking is because their run defense is so bad? I do think the Saints will run more and pass less than they normally do but there are good points in this thread about how WA has not faced a high powered Offense like NO, so those numbers are suspect. I think the concern about a let down after a big game is legitimate but Drew Brees is such a professional that I don't think it will be that big of a concern.There are not too many games where Brees doesn't at least throw for 200 yards and 1 TD, which probably is about 15 or 16th in fantasy points. More than likely he goes 2 TDs for 250-270 yards. I would think twice about starting some of the second tier passing targets like Henderson and Meachem but wouldn't think twice about starting Brees, Colston or Shockey.
 
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there will be a cold day in hades before Brees and and co. are ever benched. Steve Young put it correctly "No defense can stop a perfectly thrown ball" and Brees gets as close as anyone gets in the NFL. Brees is amazing and its about time credit is served when due.

 
Should be interesting to see how much the Saints run if Bell is hurt (didn't he limp off the field?). Anyway, Brees will produce regardless...we'll just pay hell trying to figure out which receivers will get the love.

 
I disagree with the assertion that the Redskins have the best pass D in the league. They may have given up the fewest yards, but they certainly aren't the most effective. They are actually 10th in QB rating against (about an 80). The Saints, Jets and Bills are far ahead of the pack in QB rating against. The Skins come in tied for 5th in yards/pass attempt. It also should be pointed out that Washington is 25th against the run; and considering their impotent offense this year and weak run D, why bother passing? But when teams need to throw against them, they are decent but far from lockdown. If you have Colston or Shockey, I wouldn't bench them.

IMO, the most overrated, deceptive stat of all is passing yardage.

 
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Should I bench Pierre Thomas too, just because they have the #1 pass defense in the league?

He's a Saint.

Or should I let the fact that they have the 25th rush defense affect my judgment?

 
How does this news effect them?

Redskins CB DeAngelo Hall (knee) admits that it would take a "miracle" for him to play in Week 13."I don't see it happening," he added. "I've never been in a situation like this." The Skins are No. 1 in pass defense but gave up 260 yards, one TD, and a two-point conversion to Donovan McNabb with Hall out of the lineup last week. Drew Brees shouldn't have any trouble lighting them up Sunday. Source: Washington Post
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Ozymandias said:
Should I bench Pierre Thomas too, just because they have the #1 pass defense in the league?He's a Saint.Or should I let the fact that they have the 25th rush defense affect my judgment?
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I wouldn't bench any of the Saints. They are in great form now and Washington is a veteran team in the throes of a disappointing season. They could easily go into give-up mode, and once that happens, look out (see Bears last week).
 
ATC1 said:
The colder weather, and a let down after a big game is the only concern I have. I don't think Brees goes off, but they will certainly do enough to win by 10.
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The upcoming game at Washington smells a lot like the September game @ Buffalo. Brees probably won't go nuts, but the Saints will get theirs, anyway. Probably be held to a score in the 20s.
 
Brees against the Skins

2005: 215 yards 0TDs 3INTs

2006: 207 yards 0TDs 1INT

2008: 216 yards 1TD 2INTs

Bress' average of games against the Redskins (in other words, this is what you should expect Sunday):

212 yards .3333333TD 2INTs

 
Chase Stuart said:
The top three defenses in net yards per pass allowed? The Jets, Eagles and Saints. Brees shredded the Eagles. He got shut down by the Jets. I'd be slightly worried about this matchup, but New England was the 9th best D in NY/A allowed heading into this past matchup. So I wouldn't worry enough to bench any of my Saints.
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So you're saying that if the Saints somehow played against the Saints defense in a mirror universe, you'd also be concerned?
 
Sebowski said:
Brees against the Skins2005: 215 yards 0TDs 3INTs2006: 207 yards 0TDs 1INT2008: 216 yards 1TD 2INTsBress' average of games against the Redskins (in other words, this is what you should expect Sunday): 212 yards .3333333TD 2INTs
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Or, this simply means he's bound to have a decent game. They can't contain him forever. Considering the dynamic nature of teams, some of the injuries Washington has sustained in their secondary and the sheer force which New Orleans' offense has been pummeling defenses, I think Brees will do a bit better than the predicted outcome above.
 
Sebowski said:
Brees against the Skins2005: 215 yards 0TDs 3INTs2006: 207 yards 0TDs 1INT2008: 216 yards 1TD 2INTsBress' average of games against the Redskins (in other words, this is what you should expect Sunday): 212 yards .3333333TD 2INTs
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Breesus has read your thread and is angry with you. Your team will suffer a 500 yard 7TD record setting performance by Breesus, Amen.
 
The ONLY thing that concerns me is that the game is outside. Did anyone see how open Desean Jackson was in the endzone last week against this vaunted D? I mean, the closest Redskin was 40 yards away...I think Brees can find that guy at least 4 times. Is Albert out again or limited due to fatness?

 
Sebowski said:
Brees against the Skins2005: 215 yards 0TDs 3INTs2006: 207 yards 0TDs 1INT2008: 216 yards 1TD 2INTsBress' average of games against the Redskins (in other words, this is what you should expect Sunday): 212 yards .3333333TD 2INTs
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Breesus is gonna rock yalls world.
 
Colston may not have a huge game; like others have pointed out, the Skins seem to let the fast guys get way behind them and wide open.

Of course, the last time I sat Colston against the No. 1 pass defense, he put up 8 for 166 with a TD against the Giants.

How are the Skins so bad against the run? Wasn't Haynesworth supposed to help that out?

 
Sebowski said:
Fact: The Redskins have the highest rank pass D in the league

Fact: The Saints have yet to face a pass D ranked higher than #1You've been warned
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:lol: were you drunk when you wrote that?

how can the Saints play a defense ranked higher than #1?!?! :lmao:

Saints offense puts a lot of pressure on opposing defenses.

 
editor47 said:
Colston may not have a huge game; like others have pointed out, the Skins seem to let the fast guys get way behind them and wide open.Of course, the last time I sat Colston against the No. 1 pass defense, he put up 8 for 166 with a TD against the Giants. How are the Skins so bad against the run? Wasn't Haynesworth supposed to help that out?
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You've got to forget this "# 1 pass defense" nonsense because it clearly does not apply to Washington. Passing yardage is the single most overrated stat in the NFL. Teams who usually lead the league in pass yardage against are losing teams with bad run defenses; in this case that fits. Washington's pass D isn't bad; its actually better than average; they are 10th in QB rating against and tied for 5th in yards per attempt. Those two criteria are much better gauges of a pass defense's effetiveness.
 
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