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Bengals could cut Carson Palmer after the season (1 Viewer)
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BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Palmer has been awful for a while now.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Palmer's arm is now mediocre at best. Truth be told, it's probably below-average. There's very clearly an issue compared to earlier in his career. The injury very likely took its toll. He now has to throw on the sidelines at times during the game just to stay loose.
If you watch him, he can longer zip throws into tight windows. His accuracy seems to be affected, as well. In the game before last, it's no exaggeration he could've had 7 or 8 INTs if the DBs could've hung onto the ball.
They've got to go get a QB next year.
If you watch him, he can longer zip throws into tight windows. His accuracy seems to be affected, as well. In the game before last, it's no exaggeration he could've had 7 or 8 INTs if the DBs could've hung onto the ball.
They've got to go get a QB next year.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Peter King's personal speculation is now being passed off as news?
Dawg Pound 69
Footballguy
It would be more believable if they had a decent backup in place. But replacing him with his younger brother ? Awkward.
Max Power
Footballguy
He does bring up an interesting point that this uncapped year might lead to more big name overpayed players getting released.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Yeah, there is no cap to take a hit on, but Palmer still gets all his guaranteed $$$ off Cincy, then he goes and signs as a starter for one of the 5 to 8 teams who need a better QB and gets a decent guaranteed figure from them too just like Delhomme did.
shader
Footballguy
There's no way they just up and cut Carson Palmer unless they first sign a backup or have a top 1st rounder to draft a rookie QB.
See Arizona for what happens when you lose a solid QB.
And yeah, Palmer's arm isn't what it once was, but he's still on pace for 4k yards. Don't think younger Palmer would do quite so well.
See Arizona for what happens when you lose a solid QB.
And yeah, Palmer's arm isn't what it once was, but he's still on pace for 4k yards. Don't think younger Palmer would do quite so well.
notdarkyet
Footballguy
Mike Brown will ride his dying arm right into the ground. He isn't going to cut him. Just not gonna happen.
jafo
Out of Mind
I've watched every Bengals game for the past forever and I'm a huge fan. Palmer definitely hasn't been the same since his injury. Every once in awhile you'll see flashes of his former self but the consistency just isn't there week to week. I'm amazed at how many awful throws he's made this year. It's not just physical either. He's making worse mental decisions which is contributing to the erratic throws.
Steel Dillo
Footballguy
With the Bengals excelling in suckatude again this year, I really think Palmer might get cut or traded.
Palmer has had some really sketchy games this year, but I can definitely see some teams willing to give him another chance. Places he could go and be an immeadiate upgrade IMO are Arizona, San Francisco, Oakland, Minnesota, Carolina, & Miami. Other teams with question marks at QB like Tennessee, Buffalo & Washington would also probably give him a good look.
The Bengals draft spot should be high enough to land them one of the top QBs in the draft and they could briing in a journeyman to man the spot until the rook is ready to go.
Maybe Peter King wasn't as crazy as you first thought.
Palmer has had some really sketchy games this year, but I can definitely see some teams willing to give him another chance. Places he could go and be an immeadiate upgrade IMO are Arizona, San Francisco, Oakland, Minnesota, Carolina, & Miami. Other teams with question marks at QB like Tennessee, Buffalo & Washington would also probably give him a good look.
The Bengals draft spot should be high enough to land them one of the top QBs in the draft and they could briing in a journeyman to man the spot until the rook is ready to go.
Maybe Peter King wasn't as crazy as you first thought.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
Didn't really think it was crazy at all when he wrote it back then. (Palmer's been the equiv. of someone like Shaun Hill for a couple years now)As putrid as Ryan Fitzpatrick looked as the Bengal starter a couple years ago (when Palmer missed most the year), he's as good of QB (if not better) now.I think Palmer will still be starting in 2011 (perhaps Bengal restructure). Best thing that could happen is if somehow they got Luck in the draft. Needless to say, there's got to be a major overhaul in the offseason with that offense. (Aging vet players on one of the league's worst teams)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Miami would sign him instantly even though his arm is shot. He can make short throws to our WRs and would ahve a better defense backing him up than Cinci. Maybe a trade...can't see it though because the Cinci fan base would be up in arms unless they draft a rookie and roll with him.
There are at least 4-5 QB prospects IMO that could be drafted as potential franchise QBs.
There are at least 4-5 QB prospects IMO that could be drafted as potential franchise QBs.
higgins
Footballguy
Has Henne been that bad, to where he'd be cut or be the backup? Is there anything positive to look for Henne dynasty-wise?/hijack
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Nope...although I also think the Miami coaching staff has mishandled him to a larger degree. Some would argue that by putting the clamps on him it gives us the best chance to win a football game. I see him in a few years popping up again as a back up on another team because he will have game experience.
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
Yeah it's sad. He was known for his accuracy and not for throwing picks late in games. Hope he sees a sports psychologist or something to fix his mental block...
Jason Wood
Zoo York
No, it was passed off as speculation.
Steel Dillo
Footballguy
A move back to the West Coast would probably do wonders for his psyche.
Then again... just getting away from the Bengals organization would be a huge benefit.
Then again... just getting away from the Bengals organization would be a huge benefit.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Carson Palmer On The Trading Block?
There has been plenty of speculation in recent weeks that the Cincinnati Bengals could make the decision to move from Carson Palmer and trade him to any one of a number of teams that are in need of quarterback help.
Peter King of Sports Illustrated chimed in on the situation by suggesting that the San Francisco 49ers and the Seattle Seahawks could both be interested in acquiring Palmer during the offseason. King mentions that a second or third-round pick could be enough for the Bengals to part with their No. 1 quarterback which isn’t that high of an asking price if you feel that Palmer’s recent struggles were not related to his diminishing skills.
Other teams that are in need of quarterback help include: the Buffalo Bills, Arizona Cardinals, Minnesota Vikings, Miami Dolphins, Oakland Raiders, and possible even the Washington Redskins depending on how they handle Donovan McNabb.
http://nfltraderumors.co/2010/12/15/nfl-ru...-trading-block/
There has been plenty of speculation in recent weeks that the Cincinnati Bengals could make the decision to move from Carson Palmer and trade him to any one of a number of teams that are in need of quarterback help.
Peter King of Sports Illustrated chimed in on the situation by suggesting that the San Francisco 49ers and the Seattle Seahawks could both be interested in acquiring Palmer during the offseason. King mentions that a second or third-round pick could be enough for the Bengals to part with their No. 1 quarterback which isn’t that high of an asking price if you feel that Palmer’s recent struggles were not related to his diminishing skills.
Other teams that are in need of quarterback help include: the Buffalo Bills, Arizona Cardinals, Minnesota Vikings, Miami Dolphins, Oakland Raiders, and possible even the Washington Redskins depending on how they handle Donovan McNabb.
http://nfltraderumors.co/2010/12/15/nfl-ru...-trading-block/
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Depending on how this labor situation unfolds, there are going to be a lot of QBs in flux.
*** Palmer -- could he be reunited with USC brethren in Seattle? Will Cincy make a clean break?
*** Hasselbeck -- hard to imagine the Seahawks keep him around, likely lands as backup on playoff hopeful
*** McNabb -- he's clearly done in D.C., will probably be #1 option for a team that feels it's a vet away from contention
*** Alex Smith -- will SF totally revamp next year? If so, Smith will find a suitor as a QB2 pretty easily
*** Kevin Kolb -- I'm sure a lot of teams will be trying to pry Kolb away. Nothing will surprise me at this point although I say odds are he stays around as we only own him a few million next year, he's young, played reasonably well, and Vick plays aggressively so we need a solid backup
*** Palmer -- could he be reunited with USC brethren in Seattle? Will Cincy make a clean break?
*** Hasselbeck -- hard to imagine the Seahawks keep him around, likely lands as backup on playoff hopeful
*** McNabb -- he's clearly done in D.C., will probably be #1 option for a team that feels it's a vet away from contention
*** Alex Smith -- will SF totally revamp next year? If so, Smith will find a suitor as a QB2 pretty easily
*** Kevin Kolb -- I'm sure a lot of teams will be trying to pry Kolb away. Nothing will surprise me at this point although I say odds are he stays around as we only own him a few million next year, he's young, played reasonably well, and Vick plays aggressively so we need a solid backup
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I haven't looked at Palmer's contract, but if Peter King is right and there's no cap hit, I would say it's better than 50/50 odds he's released. Now if Mike Brown had to actually eat money to cut him? Then he would be safe. 
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Never said I thought Peter King was crazy. He just really, really, really hates the Bengals so I am very dubious of anything at all that he says about my team. I mean really hates the Bengals.I think there are number of places that would be interested in him if he got cut as listed above. You have to think that there's a number of OCs out there who think they could get more out of him than the mighty Bob Bratkowski. As bad as he's looked at times, he's looked great on a number of other drives as well. Very jekyl and hyde kind of year and I think there's folks who will see that as correctable (and personally I think they are right). I also think a restructure is quite possible - whether or not they they draft a QB in round 1 (now would Palmer really be willing to take that Jon Kitna-type role? That's another question). The question is what kind of contract can he expect to get on the open market? He actually will be toward the head of any FA class regardless of what the message board opinion seems to be. I can see a 2 year/$8m type deal being realistic. Would the Bengals offer more than that in a restructure for the face of the franchise? Quite possibly. I cannot imagine a trade. Mainly because it would have to be following a renegotiated salary. Carson would (and should) be better off just telling them to cut him outright if that's what they planned to do. QB certainly is the one area we don't have ready/apparent replacements. We have young guys at WR, TE, and RB that we can start off with and supplement. I'm worried, though, that we need to get the interior line straightened out and throwing a rookie QB into that mix isn't necessarily a good thing.Of course stop-gap wise in Cincy maybe you look to the one good QB from the infamous Akili draft.But back to Palmer - I definitely think he's a starter somewhere next year. Whether he can redeem himself remains to be seen.-QG
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Detroit would be a nice place for Palmer to land. At least he would be assured of 12-14 starts when Stafford goes down again.
footballnerd
Footballguy
ARI seems like a good fit.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Did ARZ lose 10 straight? Time for a reality check... Palmer's been riding his 2005 season for a while now... his arm now looks average (at best).
On pace for 4000 yards? Maybe, but not unheard of for a team that is struggling to run the ball and playing from behind on a weekly basis. He's also on pace for 20+ INT's.
I'm sorry, but I don't find it shocking that a team might cut bait with a QB that appears to be worth about 10% of his projected salary. It is still a business, and if you're already at the bottom of the barrel WITH a $50 MM QB, seems like that money could be spent elsewhere.
Peter King used to be a beat writer here in Cincy for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Not sure where the bad blood lies,
I think King is an idiot, but it's pretty obvious this year with Carson
And this is a culmination this year:
-Palmer's arm strength is just zapped? No strong sideline outs. No zip
-Underthrowing wide open TO against the Saints
-Poor decisions as mentioned above(He has thrown into double, and triple coverage numerous times this year, and the underneath stuff to Shipley and Gresham is wide open
Palmer used to be able to mask the poor play calling, because he was a legit top 5 arm in the NFL.
Now, you combine awful playcalling, with damaged goods, and this is what you have.
Bratkowski can scheme just fine-look at the success they have had on their first drives, including opening drive vs Pittsburgh, but his inability to make in game adjustments leads to a train wreck.
Just not a good football family, Mike Brown, and Keith Blackburn
I think King is an idiot, but it's pretty obvious this year with Carson
And this is a culmination this year:
-Palmer's arm strength is just zapped? No strong sideline outs. No zip
-Underthrowing wide open TO against the Saints
-Poor decisions as mentioned above(He has thrown into double, and triple coverage numerous times this year, and the underneath stuff to Shipley and Gresham is wide open
Palmer used to be able to mask the poor play calling, because he was a legit top 5 arm in the NFL.
Now, you combine awful playcalling, with damaged goods, and this is what you have.
Bratkowski can scheme just fine-look at the success they have had on their first drives, including opening drive vs Pittsburgh, but his inability to make in game adjustments leads to a train wreck.
Just not a good football family, Mike Brown, and Keith Blackburn
ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
I can't believe Peter King wrote something without including Tom Brady
D'OHtis
Footballguy
Carson present day isn't any better than Alex Smith. Lateral move at best for the 49ers IMO. Bigger name, same type results. It's not like he lacks weapons in Cincy there. He's got plenty of them at his disposal. I think Shipley's going to be a good one, probably as soon as Owens and/or Chad Johnson is gone. Not to mention Gresham.A couple years younger is really the only difference between Hass and Carson (skill wise, no difference at all).
Carson's been playing like a late career or backup QB the last 2 years. To think he's going to have much success at this point in his career, having to acquaint himself with new receivers, in a modified or new offense is a huge stretch. He is what he is at this point. A weak armed QB with questionable decision making and leadership skills.
Donovan is donezo in Washington. If Whisenhunt wants him, I see him QB'ing in Arizona. I don't think that's a given (even think Marc Bulger would be the preferred choice -- thinking of possibilities off the top of my head)
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Palmer is the lest of the Bengals problems.
Inspiration
Footballguy
Palmer wouldn't get $11.5 million on the open market if he were released. I'm not sure why a team would give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick for the "privilege" to pay him that amount next year.
daveR
Footballguy
No cap = no cap hit. They'd still have to pay him the guaranteed money, though.I haven't looked at Palmer's contract, but if Peter King is right and there's no cap hit, I would say it's better than 50/50 odds he's released. Now if Mike Brown had to actually eat money to cut him? Then he would be safe.
fantasizing
Footballguy
What would really be nice if someone could post some videos of Palmer when he was "great" back in 2005 and
some videos of him now making similar kinds of throws.
A side by side comparision that shows what exactly has changed.
some videos of him now making similar kinds of throws.
A side by side comparision that shows what exactly has changed.
az_prof
Footballguy
I think it would be crazy if they didn't draft a young QB, whoever that might be. Palmer is not the answer; he is at best a backup QB at this point.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Ever since his big injury, he just isn't the same. I could certainly see the Bengals parting ways with Palmer. As poorly as they have played, I could see
them jettisoning a number of players. And because of next year and beyond, I agree that I could see a larger-than-normal number of overpaid players
being dumped.
them jettisoning a number of players. And because of next year and beyond, I agree that I could see a larger-than-normal number of overpaid players
being dumped.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Stick a fork in him, this guy is shot
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Palmer is the biggest problem Cincy has. He has put the defense (which was very good last year) in bad position all year. They lose by 16 to Pitt and he throws 2 pick 6's. Who do you think carries most of the blame for that loss?pantherclub said:
Insein
Footballguy
Seriously. No team is giving a draft pick for a player that will likely be cut. I doubt someone gives a 6th or a 7th just because they would have to pay that contract. They'll let him be cut or let cincy keep eating his contract.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
He might not be the Bengals problem much longer...pantherclub said:
And w/o question he's been one of the biggest weaknesses of the Bengals the past 2 years. While I think he'll find a starting job somewhere (whether in Seattle, in Arizona, in Miami, in SF, in Washington) in the offseason, I don't see his results being much different than McNabb in Washington. Someone will think a change of scenery will revitalize his career. In each of the aforementioned possible scenarios, I view it as more of a lateral move than anything that'll improve a team.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
D'OHtis
Footballguy
You really don't believe that the defense and Cedric Benson had more to do with than Carson? Really? If you want to give Carson credit for leading them to the division in a Trent Dilfer sort of way, go ahead. Really Trent may not be a good comparison as I don't think Carson's really a particularly good game manager either. Cedric and that defense were the reason they got to the playoffs. And then Carson got exposed in the playoffs when he was asked to win the game -- showing absolutely zero zip on the ball.Carson's skills have fallen off a cliff. He's a replaceable talent now. I'd question whether at this point he's better than the guy he replaced in Cincy in Kitna. (Whether that be the then early 30's Kitna or the now 38 year old Kitna)
Carson's decline IMO is one of the worst kept secrets in the NFL IMHO. He's played like a late career QB that past 2 seasons.
Led by defense and a running game. When the Jets shut down the running game and the Bengals had to rely on Palmer, he was HORRIBLE. He probably wont be a Bengal but he will be a starter in the league. He has looked nowhere near as bad as Jake Delhomme and he still was brought into Cleveland to start. Palmer's best days are long behind him, but he is still one of the top 25 qb's in the league.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I think Palmer has been quite bad, but who do the Bengals think that they're going to get that will be better? I guess they'll be looking at Mallet/Locker/Newton in the draft?
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