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drdgreenlove
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doesnt make sense to me (from atlanta perspective)isnt he a rfa?if so, the falcons can give him the first round tender...why would they want a low 2nd round pick for him and then have to find a new backup for their fragile qb
Lord of the Rings
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Insurance just in case Kitna bolts and Palmer has a set back in his rehab...hmmm. Sounds like a good plan to me, if it's true. Schaub throwing to CJ, Housh, and Rudi? I don't think the Bengals would miss a beat with him in there.
It does make sense, in my opinion. I hate to say it, but the Falcons need to get what they can for Schaub. He's not the QB of the future for the Falcons, unfortunetly. Sure they could tender him with a first round pick, but who's going to pay that price? Then after next year, he leaves for no picks. Take the best offer this offseason.Doesn't make sense for ATL to get rid of the only QB on their roster.
Ditka is God
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I believe Schaub has one year left on his original contract. If they trade him, I'd be surprised if it wasn't for a 1st rounder.From the 1/7/06 AJC, FWIW:FALCONS FINISH 8-8: WHAT WENT WRONG?While they are home watching...Don't expect the signing of a top-dollar free agent, but Falcons will upgradeBy STEVE WYCHEPublished on: 01/08/06Since their season ended New Year's Day with a thud, Falcons coaches, scouts and members of the personnel staff have been evaluating players, coaches, prospective free-agents and salary-cap scenarios that would enable them to fortify a team that finished 8-8 and out of the playoffs.There will tinkering, president and general manager Rich McKay said, but no massive overhaul — except for at the safety position.The driving force behind nearly every decision this offseason will be the ratification/non-ratification of a collective bargaining agreement between the NFL and its players association. Free agency begins March 1, and if a deal is not struck by then it could be a quiet summer of player movement.If an accord is reached, the Falcons will have enough money to be a player in free agency. If not, their pursuit of veteran talent will be on a much smaller scale because they, along with at least 15 other teams, according to McKay, will be bumping against the salary cap."We've planned on having enough room where we could add a player or two, but our position overall is going to depend on the extension or non-extension of the collective bargaining agreement," McKay said."Based on certain needs, we might add a veteran or two or three. Does that mean we go after a high-priced player? No. We have a pretty good core of players we believe in. It makes the salary cap quite challenging if you keep adding at that high level."With that as a take-off point, here is an analysis of the Falcons for 2006 on a position-by-position basis:Offense•Quarterback: Michael Vick is going to have to be Michael Vick. He might have tried too hard to be the pocket passer so many people think he needs to be, and the results were mixed. Talented backup Matt Schaub won't get traded unless someone offers something Vince Young-like. Veteran Ty Detmer is likely gone and the Falcons could start grooming a young prospect.•Fullback: Justin Griffith is an unheralded workhorse. Warrick Dunn's career season in '05 came largely because of Griffith. Backup Fred McCrary's monster season on special teams could earn him another season with the Birds.•Tailback: Dunn keeps defying the odds, but for how much longer? He is still productive but the Falcons could use a mid-round draft pick on a potential successor. T.J. Duckett will be going into the final year of his contract, but he could emerge as trade bait.•Tight end: Status quo here. Alge Crumpler's The Man. Eric Beverly will back him up. The hope is that Dwayne Blakley keeps developing.•Left tackle: Kevin Shaffer could be the hottest player at his position on the free-agent market and too expensive for the Falcons. Atlanta wants him back, but a veteran free agent, draft pick or '05 rookie Frank Omiyale could assume the spot.•Left guard: Falcons would like an upgrade to Matt Lehr but might not have the resources to do so.•Center: Todd McClure is solid and smart.•Right guard: Kynan Forney is the best of the group.•Right tackle: Todd Weiner has the position locked down, but the Falcons will try to add depth.•Wide receiver: Roddy White and Michael Jenkins could be a tandem to reckon with for a while. The Falcons hope to re-sign veteran free agent Brian Finneran. Depth will probably be addressed with marginal free agents who can play on special teams.•Kicker: Todd Peterson was solid, but the Falcons are going to open the competition in training camp. Peterson wants to be back.Defense•Right end: Brady Smith could be back depending on how he recovers from the dislocated right toe that sidelined him for most of the season.However, the Falcons aren't leaving themselves unprotected again and could use one of their top two draft picks to fill this position or make their big free-agent signing here.•Right tackle: Chad Lavalais needs to get in better shape to withstand a full season. The Falcons plan to retain restricted free agent Antwan Lake.•Left tackle: Rod Coleman is one of the best in the business. With Jonathan Babineaux backing him up, the Falcons' interior could be much better.•Left end: Patrick Kerney was frustrated with his abundance of near misses and should be back with a vengeance. Chauncey Davis provides nice depth here.•Strongside linebacker: Michael Boley finished his rookie year nicely. A little more beef and this superb athlete could be a fixture for years. Demorrio Williams could return here, though he'll be used in a hybrid role at both OLB spots and a rover defensive back.•Middle linebacker: Ed Hartwell's return from an Achilles tendon injury is being counted on. Backup Jordan Beck, whose promising rookie season ended with a preseason foot injury, will be back. A potential ruthless tandem if they're at full strength.•Weakside linebacker: Keith Brooking will be the happiest guy on the team now that he's back at his natural position. Williams will back him up some, as will Ike Reese, who could be the odd man out in a big way.•Right cornerback: Jim Mora and secondary coach Brett Maxie love Jason Webster, but he could be replaced through the draft or free agency. The Falcons would like to have him play as the nickel back.•Strong safety: Atlanta got all it could out of cerebral Keion Carpenter, but his spot will be filled by someone else, most likely a savvy, veteran free agent. If New England releases him, don't be shocked to see the Falcons pursue veteran Rodney Harrison, who is coming off a season-ending knee injury.•Free safety: The Falcons want a sledgehammer in this fourth-linebacker spot and could use a first- or second-round pick to fulfill their desires.They don't necessarily want a great cover guy. An intimidator is the goal. Texas' Michael Huff is the top safety out there, but if this position is not filled in the first round, Georgia masher Greg Blue could be there in the second round.•Left cornerback: As good as DeAngelo Hall was last season, he could take things to another level. Omare Lowe probably will be back in a reserve role.•Backup corners: Allen Rossum and Chris Cash, whom the Falcons deftly signed to a two-year deal last season, will be back after cameo appearances because of injuries. Kevin Mathis' return from a major knee injury is a question mark.•Punt/kickoff returns: The Falcons are hoping Rossum returns to his 2004 form.•Punter: Michael Koenen is very much in the Falcons' plans for a long time after a strong rookie season.•Coaches: Secondary coach Brett Maxie and linebackers coach Chris Beake could be hot prospects with all the coaching changes around the NFL. Offensive line coach Jeff Jagodzinski could also want to step of out Alex Gibbs' shadow, which may have to be elsewhere since Gibbs could return as a consultant.Defensive coordinator Ed Donatell might be able to be more creative with more experienced players and potentially better safeties.Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is smart enough to know he has to incorporate some things to allow Vick to shine.Mora had his name in headlines for the wrong reasons as the season wore down. Owner Arthur Blank has great faith in Mora, but he's just as competitive as his coach and wants better results and an even-keeled public persona from the face of the team.
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toastedgnome
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Doesn't make sense for ATL to get rid of the only QB on their roster.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Why not make an offer to Houston for Ragone?
Texasmouth
Footballguy
What has Ragone done to impress anyone? There are lots of other young QB who haven't played out there. Mine as well draft a rookie if you are going with an unproven.What about Volek? he might be cheaper than Schaub?
Family Matters
Footballguy
Unless you intend to keep him you wouldn't do that because no one in their right mind would make that deal. He's not worth a first rounder. Of course it doesn't matter what they do because they can always negotiate whatever deal they want to.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I am not going to list all the times but Brett Farve and Matt Hasselback worked out OK.
CalBear
Footballguy
Neither of those situations is relevant. Favre had a grand total of five passes with no completions and two INTs for Atlanta. Hasselbeck was a sixth-round draft pick with a total of 29 garbage-time passes to his name (13 completions). Neither of them had ever started a game. Schaub has a 300-yard, 3-TD performance against the defending Super Bowl champions on his resume; the team knows he's a capable backup.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
You’re right. Neither of those situations is relevant, if you pay no attention to your original question.
CalBear
Footballguy
It makes no sense to me for a team with current playoff aspirations (Atlanta) to trade a capable backup (Schaub) when their starting QB (Vick) has never played 16 games in a season. Even if Schaub is going to leave or demand big money after this year. Same with Volek and Kitna. If it were the Niners, a team that would be willing to tank if their starter went down, it would be different, but if you want to make the playoffs in 2006 with Vick as your starter, you'd better have a good backup.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Rob Johnson is an excellent example. Aj Feeley is also. To a lesser extent, Favre, Brooks, Hasselbeck, Brunell all jump to mind also.
diesel7982
Footballguy
With good reason. I think any NFL GM would rather pay a 2nd for Schaub than pursue Kitna, Dilfer, McCown or Warner.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
It will take more than a mid-late 2nd rounder to get Schaub. Look at the QB situations around the league. Isn't Omar Jacobs likely to be a 1st rounder? Wasn't Jason Campbell last year?? Can you say w/o a shadow of a doubt that they'll be better than Schaub? Quite a # of squads have approached the Falcons about the availability of Schaub.....so they've obviously seen something they like.I don't see how relevant "he's proven nothing in the NFL as a QB" is. Neither had Harrington, Losman, Boller, Leaf, etc.... But that didn't stop those teams from taking them in the 1st round.It'll take a 1st rounder, or they could use him as a piece to move up come draft day in the 1st round (same way the Packers did with Matt Hasselback) in the future.
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knowledge dropper
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Thats more like it
BoulderBob
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It does make sense, in my opinion. I hate to say it, but the Falcons need to get what they can for Schaub. He's not the QB of the future for the Falcons, unfortunetly. Sure they could tender him with a first round pick, but who's going to pay that price? Then after next year, he leaves for no picks. Take the best offer this offseason.Doesn't make sense for ATL to get rid of the only QB on their roster.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Business degree down?
Class Dismissed
Footballguy
So Cincy would be willing to part with a 2nd Rd draft pick for a QB who wants to start, and is one year away from FA?So essentially they will be forfeiting an 2nd round draft pick for a back up player, who may never play, and in all liklihood, will leave for greener pastures at the end of the season.Sounds like a well thought out plan to me!There is a reason they're called the Bungles.......
Family Matters
Footballguy
I wouldn't confuse a radio rumor to an actual buss transaction. There's a reason they're called rumors. If the Bengals, or anyone else for that matter, gave a 2nd for a back up then they'd be crazy because he can be had for alot less than a 2nd. Regardless of whether they intend to start him or not, his value is what it is. Granted, a team that would plan to start him would see more value in him but then you could get that person in the draft most likely.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
I'd say this speaks volumes as to how worried they are about Palmer coming back and being effective next year. It seems every one in the league knows Schaub is a starting QB waiting to happen. Why would Cincy be interested in another starting QB if they have faith in Palmer being ready?
The answer is, they aren't. Here is a story from yesterday.
http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5036
As a Bengals fan, I am intrigued by the possibilities of Rattay or Fiedler as insurance for Palmer, if Kitna does leave. The article clearly states that the Bengals do not plan on drafting a QB in the first 3 rounds, so that means they aren't likely to trade one of those for Schaub.
http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5036
As a Bengals fan, I am intrigued by the possibilities of Rattay or Fiedler as insurance for Palmer, if Kitna does leave. The article clearly states that the Bengals do not plan on drafting a QB in the first 3 rounds, so that means they aren't likely to trade one of those for Schaub.
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