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[BigJim®]

A story from PFT

ANOTHER TURD FOR THE BENGALS?

Undeterred (or is it undeturd?) by the arrests of eight players this year, the Cincinnati Bengals worked out on Wednesday former Iowa State defensive end Jason Berryman.

Berryman was not selected in the 2006 supplemental draft. He missed the entire 2004 season while serving 258 days in jail for theft and assault convictions.

Though Berryman has not yet been signed, why would the Bengals even sniff around someone with a history of incarceration, given the stream of embarrassments that the franchise has faced this season?

Clearly, coach Marvin Lewis has decided that talent trumps turdishness, and it looks like he'll continue to risk further tarnish to the team's reputation if, in the end, his troubled players might help to deliver a shining silver trophy.

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In all seriousness, Marvin Lewis needs his head examined because this comes off as a cry for help. I have very little regard for Lewis as a leader of men at this point. Is there anyone out there who thinks the overall character of this team will allow it to reach its potential? Not I.

 

[WampusCat43]

Interesting story here

 

[Family Matters]

Wonder if this guy worked out for any other teams? Wonder why it's only mentioned when the Bengals look at guys like this?

 

[stevegamer]

Because the Bengals mus be targetting guys like this; and in a way, they tolerance of the activity makes guys liek this interested int eh Bengals - who are just a short trip from being the Bungles again.

 

[redman]

Wonder if this guy worked out for any other teams? Wonder why it's only mentioned when the Bengals look at guys like this?

I think it's newsworthy that any team with 8 arrests in the calendar year is working out a guy who spent 2/3 of a year in prison. You show me those other teams with those attributes and by God we'll give them equal time in this conversation!

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

In all seriousness, Marvin Lewis needs his head examined because this comes off as a cry for help. I have very little regard for Lewis as a leader of men at this point. Is there anyone out there who thinks the overall character of this team will allow it to reach its potential? Not I.

Not condoning the apparent sense of lawlessness players on the Bengals seem to share. That is absolutely out of the norm and a situation that needs to be better handled by the entire organization, from the brass through the coaching staff down to the water boy.But last time I looked, Marv Lewis is a coach in the NFL, whose job is ensuring that his team wins. I am sure he'd rather give a thug a shot than to have a choirboy sit on the bench all year.

 

[redman]

In all seriousness, Marvin Lewis needs his head examined because this comes off as a cry for help. I have very little regard for Lewis as a leader of men at this point. Is there anyone out there who thinks the overall character of this team will allow it to reach its potential? Not I.

Not condoning the apparent sense of lawlessness players on the Bengals seem to share. That is absolutely out of the norm and a situation that needs to be better handled by the entire organization, from the brass through the coaching staff down to the water boy.But last time I looked, Marv Lewis is a coach in the NFL, whose job is ensuring that his team wins. I am sure he'd rather give a thug a shot than to have a choirboy sit on the bench all year.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Guys who can't stay focused or disciplined enough to stay out of jail are likely not in the long run going to stay focused or disciplined enough to perform well in a very tough, competitive environment. I think this is a lesson that Marvin is learning the hard way.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

In all seriousness, Marvin Lewis needs his head examined because this comes off as a cry for help. I have very little regard for Lewis as a leader of men at this point. Is there anyone out there who thinks the overall character of this team will allow it to reach its potential? Not I.

Not condoning the apparent sense of lawlessness players on the Bengals seem to share. That is absolutely out of the norm and a situation that needs to be better handled by the entire organization, from the brass through the coaching staff down to the water boy.But last time I looked, Marv Lewis is a coach in the NFL, whose job is ensuring that his team wins. I am sure he'd rather give a thug a shot than to have a choirboy sit on the bench all year.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Guys who can't stay focused or disciplined enough to stay out of jail are likely not in the long run going to stay focused or disciplined enough to perform well in a very tough, competitive environment. I think this is a lesson that Marvin is learning the hard way.

True about not being mutually exclusive, but I would argue that in this day and age of free agency, "long run" concerns are not as salient as who can help a team win in the here and now. Would Marvin Lewis trade off missing a guy in-season for a few games thanks to NFL suspension and court dates, if that same guy can put the team over the top into the playoffs? I believe he would, as might any coach.Not saying it's right, but no one gets paid in the NFL based on the overall moral terpitude of their team.

 

[redman]

In all seriousness, Marvin Lewis needs his head examined because this comes off as a cry for help. I have very little regard for Lewis as a leader of men at this point. Is there anyone out there who thinks the overall character of this team will allow it to reach its potential? Not I.

Not condoning the apparent sense of lawlessness players on the Bengals seem to share. That is absolutely out of the norm and a situation that needs to be better handled by the entire organization, from the brass through the coaching staff down to the water boy.But last time I looked, Marv Lewis is a coach in the NFL, whose job is ensuring that his team wins. I am sure he'd rather give a thug a shot than to have a choirboy sit on the bench all year.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Guys who can't stay focused or disciplined enough to stay out of jail are likely not in the long run going to stay focused or disciplined enough to perform well in a very tough, competitive environment. I think this is a lesson that Marvin is learning the hard way.

True about not being mutually exclusive, but I would argue that in this day and age of free agency, "long run" concerns are not as salient as who can help a team win in the here and now. Would Marvin Lewis trade off missing a guy in-season for a few games thanks to NFL suspension and court dates, if that same guy can put the team over the top into the playoffs? I believe he would, as might any coach.Not saying it's right, but no one gets paid in the NFL based on the overall moral terpitude of their team.

Maybe. The problem is that his team is so far over the edge that I think, on the margin, it's more valuable for him to take a hard stand against this boneheadedness than it is to add talent. His team lacks for discipline far more than it lacks for talent.

 

[Family Matters]

Wonder if this guy worked out for any other teams? Wonder why it's only mentioned when the Bengals look at guys like this?

I think it's newsworthy that any team with 8 arrests in the calendar year is working out a guy who spent 2/3 of a year in prison. You show me those other teams with those attributes and by God we'll give them equal time in this conversation!

Not sure where to begin on this so I'll try to cover it all.First, it was a workout, not an offer as far as I know. Besides, are you suggesting it's fine for any team besides the Bengals to work him out? Just because a few players made bad decisions the Bengals should be penalized for working guys out? That seems misguided if that's waht you're saying.Secondly, I think if you try you'll find a few other teams out there that have nearly the same amount of issues but PFT likes to single out the Bengals. They started doing this after they got burned on their Chad Johnson story from last year's playoff game. The Bengals refused to play along and looked follish for insisting a story existed even though they had no evidemce of it. They've been all over the Bengals since. So you have to wonder how objective they are with this stuff.BTW-have you noticed the problems the Bears have had with their players? Manning's transgressions make what some of the Bengals players have done (as Bengals) seem amateurish. Then add the whole Tank Johnson thing and you realize what's serious and what's irresponsible behavior. I think these two alone far surpass what the Bengals have doen as players.Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning what some Bengals players have done. In fact I wish more harsh action had been taken with some of these guys. But the Bengals and Lewis are only allowed to do what's within the CBA. They can't just do whatever they want.Lewis has had to deal with some serious issues and he has taken a hard line with these guys at times. Henry has missed 3 games (I think) because Lewis suspended him. But he's also accountable to putting a winning team on the field. He won't be fired for guys who can't control their off field actions but he would be fired for not winning. So let's keep him in perspective.Lastly, when you consider all that Lewis has had to deal with, you have to take your hat off for the job he's done. Despite all the idiots and their stupid behavior, plus he's had some of the worse injury issues of any team in the NFL and yet they are still in the playoff hunt. How many teams can lose 3-4 O-line starters and still be competitive? Also, they have been hurt even moreso on the defensive side of the ball. So with all things considered I think Bengals have done as well as can be expected under the circumstances. Lewis has done one of the best coaching jobs I've seen. Apparently you are only interested in the negative things. Feel free to look around and you'll find other teams with similar problems as the Bengals.

 

[alg]

At first glance it looks like Marvin is giving a few guys a chance, and enough rope for them to hang themselves. With this latest action I am beginning to believe that Lewis, and not his players, is the real problem.

Those who point out that lawless talent is better then 'choir boys' miss the point. Put a bunch of con mentalities together, and the team is more likely to have a prison riot then a post-Super Bowl celebration.

IMHO, Lewis has put his ownership on notice that he is not the leader needed to go to the next level, and may have destroyed any margin of error he still had. Least anyone is confused on the matter, the NFL and its ownership are as big on image as they are on winning.

 

[BigJim®]

Wonder if this guy worked out for any other teams? Wonder why it's only mentioned when the Bengals look at guys like this?

I think it's newsworthy that any team with 8 arrests in the calendar year is working out a guy who spent 2/3 of a year in prison. You show me those other teams with those attributes and by God we'll give them equal time in this conversation!

Not sure where to begin on this so I'll try to cover it all.First, it was a workout, not an offer as far as I know.

Signed to a 2-year contract. Cincinnati Bengals: Signed tight ends Tim Day, Ronnie Ghent and Sean Mulcahy, offensive linemen Nate Livings and Alan Reuber, fullback Chris Manderino, defensive end Eric Henderson, defensive tackle Jimmy Verdon, linebacker Jason Berryman and cornerback Brandon Williams to two-year contracts.

Way to keep showing your stripes Bengals.

 

[Godsbrother]

I can understand giving a guy a second chance but not for a team that is having trouble keeping their players in line and out of jail. Seems like a bad idea...

 

[WampusCat43]

Wonder if this guy worked out for any other teams? Wonder why it's only mentioned when the Bengals look at guys like this?

I think it's newsworthy that any team with 8 arrests in the calendar year is working out a guy who spent 2/3 of a year in prison. You show me those other teams with those attributes and by God we'll give them equal time in this conversation!

Not sure where to begin on this so I'll try to cover it all.First, it was a workout, not an offer as far as I know.

Signed to a 2-year contract. Cincinnati Bengals: Signed tight ends Tim Day, Ronnie Ghent and Sean Mulcahy, offensive linemen Nate Livings and Alan Reuber, fullback Chris Manderino, defensive end Eric Henderson, defensive tackle Jimmy Verdon, linebacker Jason Berryman and cornerback Brandon Williams to two-year contracts.

Way to keep showing your stripes Bengals.

They're sending him to Europe.

 

[BigJim®]

Wonder if this guy worked out for any other teams? Wonder why it's only mentioned when the Bengals look at guys like this?

I think it's newsworthy that any team with 8 arrests in the calendar year is working out a guy who spent 2/3 of a year in prison. You show me those other teams with those attributes and by God we'll give them equal time in this conversation!

Not sure where to begin on this so I'll try to cover it all.First, it was a workout, not an offer as far as I know.

Signed to a 2-year contract. Cincinnati Bengals: Signed tight ends Tim Day, Ronnie Ghent and Sean Mulcahy, offensive linemen Nate Livings and Alan Reuber, fullback Chris Manderino, defensive end Eric Henderson, defensive tackle Jimmy Verdon, linebacker Jason Berryman and cornerback Brandon Williams to two-year contracts.

Way to keep showing your stripes Bengals.

They're sending him to Europe.

Nice. Better there than here. Also I couldn't help but notice something missing from the Cincy Post description of this guy:"Included in the players is linebacker Jason Berryman, who did not play football last season after being kicked off the Iowa State team and going unselected in the NFL's supplemental draft last July. Berryman will be subject to the NFL Europe draft because he was not on an NFL team last season."

What is more newsworthy, the fact that a guy was kicked off an NCCA program, that he went undrafted in the Supplemental draft, or that he'd spent 258 days in jail for assault and robbery? Looks to me like the Cincy Press is either asleep or helping to brush embarrassing signings under the rug.

 

[Banger]

Wonder if this guy worked out for any other teams? Wonder why it's only mentioned when the Bengals look at guys like this?

I think it's newsworthy that any team with 8 arrests in the calendar year is working out a guy who spent 2/3 of a year in prison. You show me those other teams with those attributes and by God we'll give them equal time in this conversation!

Not sure where to begin on this so I'll try to cover it all.First, it was a workout, not an offer as far as I know.

Signed to a 2-year contract. Cincinnati Bengals: Signed tight ends Tim Day, Ronnie Ghent and Sean Mulcahy, offensive linemen Nate Livings and Alan Reuber, fullback Chris Manderino, defensive end Eric Henderson, defensive tackle Jimmy Verdon, linebacker Jason Berryman and cornerback Brandon Williams to two-year contracts.

Way to keep showing your stripes Bengals.

They're sending him to Europe.

Nonetheless they still signed him into their organization and he could be on the team in a year or two. I don't think it would really be an issue if they Bengals hadn't already had about a dozen arrests this year alone by current players. They continue to play with fire.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I can't believe that there are people actually defending the Bengals/Lewis here. If this were the Bills I'd be embarassed and extremely angry.

For every Cris Carter there's going to be a dozen Ricky Williams. It's just not worth getting involved with these guys and yet the Bengals keep bringing more and more of them in. Just knowing that Lewis hasn't learned anything, I bet that the Bengals will have a losing record next season and Lewis will get fired.

The biggest question will be whether or not Carson Palmer is going to choose to stick around such a pathetic franchise when his contract runs out. Something tells me that he's going to be sick of guys like Chris Henry, Odell Thurman and even the crybaby antics of Chad Johnson (even though I find him entertaining, I think he's a lockerroom cancer with his ego).

 

[BigJim®]

I can't believe that there are people actually defending the Bengals/Lewis here. If this were the Bills I'd be embarassed and extremely angry. For every Cris Carter there's going to be a dozen Ricky Williams. It's just not worth getting involved with these guys and yet the Bengals keep bringing more and more of them in. Just knowing that Lewis hasn't learned anything, I bet that the Bengals will have a losing record next season and Lewis will get fired. The biggest question will be whether or not Carson Palmer is going to choose to stick around such a pathetic franchise when his contract runs out. Something tells me that he's going to be sick of guys like Chris Henry, Odell Thurman and even the crybaby antics of Chad Johnson (even though I find him entertaining, I think he's a lockerroom cancer with his ego).

 

[alg]

I can't believe that there are people actually defending the Bengals/Lewis here. If this were the Bills I'd be embarassed and extremely angry. For every Cris Carter there's going to be a dozen Ricky Williams. It's just not worth getting involved with these guys and yet the Bengals keep bringing more and more of them in. Just knowing that Lewis hasn't learned anything, I bet that the Bengals will have a losing record next season and Lewis will get fired. The biggest question will be whether or not Carson Palmer is going to choose to stick around such a pathetic franchise when his contract runs out. Something tells me that he's going to be sick of guys like Chris Henry, Odell Thurman and even the crybaby antics of Chad Johnson (even though I find him entertaining, I think he's a lockerroom cancer with his ego).

We can add to this discusion the fact that individual players do not win Super Bowls. While Lewis may eventualy be able to keep these knuckheads out of jail, he will probably find it it impossible to mould them into a real TEAM.And as a Bills fan I agree 100% - I would hate it if that was my team.

 

[Hell Diablo]

It's too bad the Bengals can't work some kind of work release to get Rae Carruth.

Maybe the NFL should change their policy and when a player gets arrested or commits a crime they have to immediately be traded to the Bengals.

 

[Sea Bass]

Wonder if this guy worked out for any other teams? Wonder why it's only mentioned when the Bengals look at guys like this?

 

[Family Matters]

I can't believe that there are people actually defending the Bengals/Lewis here. If this were the Bills I'd be embarassed and extremely angry. For every Cris Carter there's going to be a dozen Ricky Williams. It's just not worth getting involved with these guys and yet the Bengals keep bringing more and more of them in. Just knowing that Lewis hasn't learned anything, I bet that the Bengals will have a losing record next season and Lewis will get fired. The biggest question will be whether or not Carson Palmer is going to choose to stick around such a pathetic franchise when his contract runs out. Something tells me that he's going to be sick of guys like Chris Henry, Odell Thurman and even the crybaby antics of Chad Johnson (even though I find him entertaining, I think he's a lockerroom cancer with his ego).

I find myself agreeing with you on some points and realizing you're off base on many others. What seems to be happening is that for every player that does something stupid, people question what Lewis is doing. I don't recall any other coach taking more heat for their player's actions than Lewis. This is the NFL, not the NCAA. Coaches are not responsible for gown men and their stupidity.Agree: As a Bengals fan, I am embarrassed what these players have doen. Disagree: I am not embarrassed for Lewis because he did nothing wrong. As a fan it is a sad situation but I do not blame Lewis for it.Agree: The Bengals organization needs to implement higher standards. In fact the NFL and players union need to agree to hold these guys accountable and raise the standards that the NFL accpets from it's employees. It's not Lewis fault he has no leverage against these players. He's accountable for wins and losses, not player conduct.Disagree: Lewis will be fired for having a losing season. Remember what they were before Lewis arrived? Some have a short memory. They were so bad that free agents didn't want to play there. Lewis had to take some risks in order to get some players in there so he could show them they could win. In fact this year was one of best coaching jobs I've seen in a long time. In the face of these contraversies and many injuries he was able to keep them in the playoff hunt. That's amazing when you serarate yourself from the hype of the off field issues. They were in it until the very last play. That's great coaching IMO. 13 players were IR's and 1 was put on PUP. Of those, 1 was the starting center. Add to that were 3 other linemen that were injured throughout the year. No other team could have survived that. Then add all the injuries on defense. Losing 2 starting linebackers and numerous other injuries would decimate any defense. And it yet they were still in the playoff hunt. Wonder how that happened?

 

[SoFresh&SoClean]

Yeah FM pretty much nailed it. I agree that something needs to be addressed, but whatever. I personally don't care about any of this crap. I just want the best team on the field that gives my team the best chance to win. These players aren't my role models, they are just more physically gifted people who have the same abilty to make mistakes as any mortal man does. They just so happen to play for the team I root for, and if making strict rules for the players is neccessary to get people off of their backs then I guess something should be done. I hope you crybabies are happy.

 

[SteelerMurf]

I can't believe that there are people actually defending the Bengals/Lewis here. If this were the Bills I'd be embarassed and extremely angry.

For every Cris Carter there's going to be a dozen Ricky Williams. It's just not worth getting involved with these guys and yet the Bengals keep bringing more and more of them in. Just knowing that Lewis hasn't learned anything, I bet that the Bengals will have a losing record next season and Lewis will get fired.

The biggest question will be whether or not Carson Palmer is going to choose to stick around such a pathetic franchise when his contract runs out. Something tells me that he's going to be sick of guys like Chris Henry, Odell Thurman and even the crybaby antics of Chad Johnson (even though I find him entertaining, I think he's a lockerroom cancer with his ego).

 

[BigJim®]

Agree: As a Bengals fan, I am embarrassed what these players have doen.

Of course you are, any fan would be. I'm not slinging mud at Bengal fans though. I don't think anyone is demanding fans to feel embarrassed.

Disagree: I am not embarrassed for Lewis because he did nothing wrong. As a fan it is a sad situation but I do not blame Lewis for it.

Not following this. You seem to be suggesting he's not responsible for signing guys who have done embarrassingly bad things, including assault, robbery, burglaries, drugs, spousal battery. I mean the Rae Carruth joke in this thread is not far off. I would have guessed he directed those signings and should be embarrassed for his own standards.

Agree: The Bengals organization needs to implement higher standards. In fact the NFL and players union need to agree to hold these guys accountable and raise the standards that the NFL accpets from it's employees. It's not Lewis fault he has no leverage against these players. He's accountable for wins and losses, not player conduct.

I disagree with everything but your first sentence. The rest of your points are the sort of BS positions that excuse a team for its own low standards. It's true that the NFL could and maybe should have some sort of policy for criminals. Like any business, most NFL teams figure out for themselves the ingredients for success and drawing a customer base. While Lewis has no leverage over conduct once a player is signed, that's completely beside the point. He does have the ability to keep proven turds off the team, and he also possesses the ability to immediately remove guys who no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. Also, you are suggesting these guys were choir boys who turned surprisingly criminal. The guys I'm talking aout are the established criminals that Lewis welcomed to the locker room when other teams shunned them.

Disagree: Lewis will be fired for having a losing season. Remember what they were before Lewis arrived? Some have a short memory. They were so bad that free agents didn't want to play there. Lewis had to take some risks in order to get some players in there so he could show them they could win. In fact this year was one of best coaching jobs I've seen in a long time. In the face of these contraversies and many injuries he was able to keep them in the playoff hunt. That's amazing when you serarate yourself from the hype of the off field issues. They were in it until the very last play. That's great coaching IMO. 13 players were IR's and 1 was put on PUP. Of those, 1 was the starting center. Add to that were 3 other linemen that were injured throughout the year. No other team could have survived that. Then add all the injuries on defense. Losing 2 starting linebackers and numerous other injuries would decimate any defense.

Totally disagree with this also. Judging the coaching of the past Bengals teams vs. the coaching of a team consisting of this talent is a joke. A guy who is somehow missing the playoffs with Carson Palmer, Chad Johnson, TJ Hous and Rudi Johnson should be scrutinized heavily. I realize they've had bad luck on the OL, and every NFL team has injuries. But not every NFL team has the core that should overcome setbacks like the Bengals. These guys underachieved horribly and there's simply no disputing they regressed from last season.

And it yet they were still in the playoff hunt. Wonder how that happened?

That was an accomplishment from your perspective? IMHO being in the playoff hunt is a laughably low expectation for the talent on that team. When you "wonder" why they were in the hunt, my answer is because their collective character makes it unlikely for them to be the 3rd+ seed shoe in they really should be.

 

[Family Matters]

Agree: As a Bengals fan, I am embarrassed what these players have doen.

Of course you are, any fan would be. I'm not slinging mud at Bengal fans though. I don't think anyone is demanding fans to feel embarrassed.

Disagree: I am not embarrassed for Lewis because he did nothing wrong. As a fan it is a sad situation but I do not blame Lewis for it.

Not following this. You seem to be suggesting he's not responsible for signing guys who have done embarrassingly bad things, including assault, robbery, burglaries, drugs, spousal battery. I mean the Rae Carruth joke in this thread is not far off. I would have guessed he directed those signings and should be embarrassed for his own standards.

Agree: The Bengals organization needs to implement higher standards. In fact the NFL and players union need to agree to hold these guys accountable and raise the standards that the NFL accpets from it's employees. It's not Lewis fault he has no leverage against these players. He's accountable for wins and losses, not player conduct.

I disagree with everything but your first sentence. The rest of your points are the sort of BS positions that excuse a team for its own low standards. It's true that the NFL could and maybe should have some sort of policy for criminals. Like any business, most NFL teams figure out for themselves the ingredients for success and drawing a customer base. While Lewis has no leverage over conduct once a player is signed, that's completely beside the point. He does have the ability to keep proven turds off the team, and he also possesses the ability to immediately remove guys who no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. Also, you are suggesting these guys were choir boys who turned surprisingly criminal. The guys I'm talking aout are the established criminals that Lewis welcomed to the locker room when other teams shunned them.

Disagree: Lewis will be fired for having a losing season. Remember what they were before Lewis arrived? Some have a short memory. They were so bad that free agents didn't want to play there. Lewis had to take some risks in order to get some players in there so he could show them they could win. In fact this year was one of best coaching jobs I've seen in a long time. In the face of these contraversies and many injuries he was able to keep them in the playoff hunt. That's amazing when you serarate yourself from the hype of the off field issues. They were in it until the very last play. That's great coaching IMO. 13 players were IR's and 1 was put on PUP. Of those, 1 was the starting center. Add to that were 3 other linemen that were injured throughout the year. No other team could have survived that. Then add all the injuries on defense. Losing 2 starting linebackers and numerous other injuries would decimate any defense.

Totally disagree with this also. Judging the coaching of the past Bengals teams vs. the coaching of a team consisting of this talent is a joke. A guy who is somehow missing the playoffs with Carson Palmer, Chad Johnson, TJ Hous and Rudi Johnson should be scrutinized heavily. I realize they've had bad luck on the OL, and every NFL team has injuries. But not every NFL team has the core that should overcome setbacks like the Bengals. These guys underachieved horribly and there's simply no disputing they regressed from last season.

And it yet they were still in the playoff hunt. Wonder how that happened?

That was an accomplishment from your perspective? IMHO being in the playoff hunt is a laughably low expectation for the talent on that team. When you "wonder" why they were in the hunt, my answer is because their collective character makes it unlikely for them to be the 3rd+ seed shoe in they really should be.

It seems clear to me that you want to make an example of the Bengals and put it all on Lewis. So be it. Not much point debating this with you because you've made up your mind. But where you are making your point weak and lose some credibility is when you suggest they should be in the playoffs and further suggest it's a joke that they aren't based on their talent. Clearly you missed all the injuries. Or is it your opinion that any team with talent should make the playoffs regardless of injuries? It's one thing to suggest they should do more with troubled players. You're not going to get a big argument over that. But to suggest that injuries don't matter and that they should overcome them regardless is not leaving your opinions in a manner that can be taken seriously. One would hope you're just saying that trying for this So we agree that more needs done about problem players. But I cannot agree with your other assessments.

 

[Bojang0301]

Bengals should be in the playoffs, period! They fell apart at the end of the season and if they weren't the "Bengals" Marvin would be getting a lot more heat right now... but I guess after 14 years of suckage I would probably accept mediocrity too.

 

[Family Matters]

Seeing that some ffel the Bengals are the only team with player problems, I decided to look at rest of the league as well. Here's what I found:

San Diego:

December 19, 2006, 23:11

Chargers

Chargers Players Being Investigated For Fraud

Jay Paris, North County Times - [Full Article]

It was learned on Tuesday that several players on the San Diego Chargers roster are being investigated for possible fraud, according to a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement official. It is rumored that players have been engaging in shoe fraud, with a great deal of money going from players to Chinese organizations.

November 27, 2006, 23:16

Chargers :: DB

Chargers CB C. Gordon Arrested, Suspicion Of Drunk Driving

Associated Press, via ESPN.com - [Full Article]

San Diego Chargers cornerback Cletis Gordon was arrested early Monday morning on suspicion of drunk driving. "I think we need to wait until all the facts are brought out," head coach Marty Schottenheimer said. "He was brought in. My understanding is he did the test and it was below the number. I don't know. We'll have to wait and see."

October 22, 2006, 21:59

Chargers :: LB

Chargers LB Merriman Suspended Four Games For Steroids

NFL.com - [Full Article]

San Diego Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman has been notified he will be suspended for four games for violating the NFL's steroids and related substances policy, according to ESPN's Chris Mortensen. According to the source of the story, the suspension is directly related to steroid use.

October 11, 2006, 20:06

Chargers :: LB

Chargers LB Foley Charged With Two Counts Of DUI

Associated Press, via ESPN.com - [Full Article]

San Diego Chargers linebacker Steve Foley was charged with two counts of misdemeanor DUI stemming on Wednesday, as the result of an incident on September 3 in which Foley was ultimately shot three times by an off-duty police officer.

October 9, 2006, 23:42

Chargers :: DB

Chargers Release CB Curry After Arrest

NFL.com - [Full Article]

San Diego Chargers practice squad cornerback Markus Curry was released on Sunday, hours after being arrested by the San Diego Police Department and charged with one count of inflicting bodily injury to a spousal cohabitant. He was held in jail in lieu of posting $25,000 bail.

October 3, 2006, 23:50

Chargers :: DB

Chargers S Kiel Pleads Not Guilty To Drug Charges

NFL.com - [Full Article]

San Diego Chargers safety Terrence Kiel pleaded not guilty on Tuesday to charges that he shipped bottles of codeine-based cough syrup to Texas. Kiel faces a maximum of seven years and four months in state prison if convicted on all five felony drug counts against him.

September 14, 2006, 20:05

Chargers :: LB

Prosecutors Suspect Steroid Use From Charger LB Foley?

NFL.com - [Full Article]

San Diego County prosecutors recently requested a sample of blood from San Diego Chargers linebacker Steve Foley, suspecting that Foley potentially had steroids in his system in addition to alcohol during an incident with an off-duty police officer on September 3. "His history of aggressive and even violent contact with law enforcement indicates the possibility of more than mere alcohol involvement," wrote criminal investigator Dan Nordell in an affidavit for a search warrant. "(Steroids) can cause erratic behavior in those that use them. This has been given names like 'roid rage for the uncontrollable outbursts and violence experienced by some users."

September 14, 2006, 01:09

Chargers :: LB

Chargers LB Foley To Face DUI Charges?

Associated Press, via ESPN.com - [Full Article]

The San Diego County District Attorney's office confirmed on Wednesday that authorities plan to pursue misdemeanor driving under the influence (DUI) charges against San Diego Chargers linebacker Steve Foley, stemming from an incident in which Foley was subsequently shot on September 3.

August 29, 2006, 10:35

Chargers :: LB

LB Foley Won't Face Charges

Kevin Acee, San Diego Union-Tribune - [Full Article]

The San Diego County District Attorney's office said yesterday it would not pursue charges against Chargers LB Steve Foley for an incident in April. Foley was jailed April 21 on suspicion of resisting arrest, battery on a police officer and being drunk in public

Chicago Bears:

January 3, 2007, 16:40

Bears :: DL

Ammunition Seized From DE T. Johnson's House

Associated Press, Yahoo - [Full Article]

According to new court documents, approximately 550 rounds of ammunition was seized from Chicago Bears DE Tank Johnson's house during last month's raid. Police officers also found six guns, marijuana, and unlabeled pills believe to be hydrocodone. Johnson is scheduled to appear in court for the pending case next Tuesday.

December 22, 2006, 12:28

Bears :: DL

DT Ta. Johnson Under House Arrest

Carlos Sadovi, Chicago Tribune - [Full Article]

Bears DT Tank Johnson was ordered to 24-hour home confinement at a hearing this morning. Johnson was charged with six misdemeanor counts of unlawful possession of a weapon. Police also found 2 1/4 ounces of marijuana belonging to Johnson's friend and bodyguard Willie B. Posey, who was killed early the next morning in Johnson's presence at a bar on Chicago's North Side. As a result of the gun charges and Posey's death, the Bears suspended Johnson for Sunday's game against Detroit.

December 21, 2006, 01:11

Bears :: DL

Bears DT T. Johnson Violated Probation Terms

Associated Press, via ESPN.com - [Full Article]

Cook County (Illinois) officials said on Wednesday that the recent arrest of Chicago Bears defensive tackle Tank Johnson also resulted in the violation of probation terms on a 2005 gun charge. Johnson has a court hearing on Friday, and the judge presiding over the hearing will have the option to extend Johnson's probation, add on more community service time to his prior sentence, or sending Johnson to jail.

December 14, 2006, 19:34

Bears :: DL

DT Tank Johnson Faces Charges After Police Find Guns In Home

Associated Press, ESPN.com - [Full Article]

Chicago Bears DT Tank Johnson was charged Thursday with not having a gun owner identification card after six firearms were found at his Gurnee home. The misdemeanor charge carries a penalty of up to a year in jail upon conviction. Johnson didn't practice Thursday and was driven away from Halas Hall by a Bears security official. Johnson turned himself in to Gurnee police, posted bond and was released Thursday night.

October 18, 2006, 08:37

Bears :: DB

Bears Prepared For CB R. Manning Suspension

David Haugh, Chicago Tribune - [Full Article]

Backup S Todd Johnson filled in nicely after CB Ricky Manning Jr. left Monday's game with a sore hamstring. That enabled the Bears to feel more prepared for Manning's potential suspension that could come after he meets with league officials this week.

October 10, 2006, 07:12

Bears :: DB

CB Manning Still Waiting For Sentence

Gene Chamberlain, Daily Southtown - [Full Article]

The Bears still await word on a possible suspension, fine or other such penalty from the NFL for CB Ricky Manning Jr. He made his third interception of the season in Sunday's 40-7 win over Buffalo. The issue is not a paramount problem, but the Bears would like to put it in the past. The next guy in line at nickel would be veteran backup S Todd Johnson

October 2, 2006, 09:24

Bears :: DB

Suspension Looming For CB R. Manning?

John Mullin, Chicago Tribune - [Full Article]

CB Ricky Manning Jr. went through a difficult week with his no-contest plea to felony assault and the ensuing blaze of attention that followed. The NFL is expected to issue a suspension at some point, but grabbing two interceptions Sunday was a good way to forget some of the stress. New NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who was on hand for Sunday night's game, addressed in general terms his expectation that NFL players set good examples off the field. "When players get themselves on the wrong side of the law, we're going to deal with them harshly. We have programs and policies, and we'll continue to enforce those very aggressively," Goodell said.

September 27, 2006, 23:24

Bears :: DB

Bears CB Manning Denies Beating Man In April

NFL.com - [Full Article]

Chicago Bears cornerback Ricky Manning denied beating a man on April 23, an incident which ultimately lead Manning to plead no contest earlier this week to resulting charges. He acknowledged exchanging words and pushing the head of the man who filed charges against him, but said that he did not beat and kick the man as he alleged in his complaint with police. "It wasn't a plea where I'm saying, 'Yeah, I did it. I was wrong.' If I don't plea to this, I have to go through trial," said Manning. "I just can't risk that. I would rather put it all in my hands, be on probation, keeping my nose clean and not get in any trouble."

Miami Dolphins:

December 15, 2006, 01:24

Dolphins :: WR

WR Ma. Vick Named In Sexual Battery Lawsuit

Associated Press, via CNN/Sports Illustrated - [Full Article]

Miami Dolphins wide receiver Marcus Vick had a lawsuit filed against him on Wednesday, in which a 17-year old girl accused him of sexual battery, fraud and other charges. The girl claims to have had a sexual relationship with Vick since she was 15 years old.

Pittsburgh Steelers:

December 13, 2006, 16:23

Steelers, Browns :: TE, LB

LB J. Porter Apologizes For Comments

ESPN.com - [Full Article]

Pittsburgh Steelers LB Joey Porter apologized for his comments last Thursday after practice Tuesday. "I didn't mean to offend anybody but Kellen Winslow," Porter told reporters. "I would just like to say it was a poor choice of words in the comment I made toward Winslow. If I offended anybody, I apologize for that." The NFL is currently reviewing Porter's comments. Cleveland Browns TE Kellen Winslow declined to comment.

November 7, 2006, 14:00

Steelers :: LB

LB Porter Fined $15,000 For Remarks Toward Officials

Associated Press - [Full Article]

Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker Joey Porter was fined $15,000 for remarks made to a member of the officiating crew of referee Tony Corrente's during a 20-13 loss at Oakland on October 29th. Porter was fined for unsportmanslike conduct on the play, two plays after linebacker Larry Foote drew the same penalty. The two penalties led to a field goal by Oakland during the Raiders' upset victory, one of six Steelers losses in seven games.

September 21, 2006, 22:35

Steelers :: LB

Steelers LB Porter Cited After His Dogs Kill Horse

NFL.com - [Full Article]

Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker Joey Porter was cited by police on September 19 for harboring dangerous dogs, failure to confine the dogs, and failure to have the dogs licensed after two of his dogs killed a neighbor's miniature horse. "It was an accident and I am not sure how the dogs escaped," Porter said. "I have reached out to the owners of the horse and will do whatever I can to help them get through this very unfortunate situation."

September 21, 2006, 01:29

Steelers :: OL

Steelers OT Brooks Cleared Of Fleeing Police Charge

KDKA.com - [Full Article]

Pittsburgh Steelers offensive lineman Barrett Brooks was cleared of charges of eluding police on Wednesday. Brooks was, however, found guilty of two more minor traffic violations, including the failure to stop at a stop sign. “We’re pleased with that. I think it’s a just result,” Brooks' attorney Bobby Del Greco said. “We’re going to pay the fines and move on.”

August 30, 2006, 05:51

Steelers :: WR

WR S. Holmes Goes To Court Today

Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - [Full Article]

Steelers' No. 1 pick WR Santonio Holmes, will miss practice today because he will be in Columbus, Ohio, for a jury-trial hearing on charges of domestic violence and abuse against the mother of his third child. Holmes will attend a 10 a.m. hearing before Judge Michael Brandt in Franklin County Municipal Court. Regardless of the developments, he is expected to return for the final preseason game tomorrow night.

August 9, 2006, 14:31

Steelers :: WR

WR Holmes Trying To Put Off Field Troubles Behind

Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - [Full Article]

Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Santonio Holmes has made some mistakes in his first off season. Now, Holmes has a chance to make a different kind of noise, the kind for which the Steelers traded up seven spots to make him the 25th overall selection in the NFL draft. Holmes gets a shot to help ease some of his off-field problems when he plays in the Steelers' first preseason game Saturday in Arizona. "I'm very excited about it," Holmes said. "I'm looking forward to it."

August 7, 2006, 17:40

Steelers :: OL

OT Brooks Apologizes For Arrest

AP, ESPN.com - [Full Article]

OT Barrett Brooks apologized to the Pittsburgh Steelers for his weekend arrest on charges he fled from police on his motorcycle, but said the chase resulted from miscommunication and not any wrongdoing.

August 6, 2006, 11:00

Steelers :: OL

OT Brooks Arrested

Associated Press, Lowell Sun Online - [Full Article]

Pittsburgh Steelers OT, 34-year old Barrett Brooks was arrested early Sunday after police said he fled from them on motorcycle. He was charged with fleeing and eluding, reckless driving, driving at an unsafe speed and other traffic violations. He was taken to Allegheny County Jail, police Sgt. Dennis Washington said

August 4, 2006, 20:03

Steelers :: WR

WR Holmes Has One Charge Against Him Dropped

Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - [Full Article]

WR Santonio Holmes, the Steelers' No. 1 draft choice, had a charge of disorderly conduct in Miami Beach, Fla., dropped in exchange for a $250 donation to the Police Officers Assistance Trust Fund. Holmes had pleaded not guilty to charges he blocked traffic and refused to obey a police order at 3:30 a.m. May 27 in the South Beach section of Miami Beach.

August 3, 2006, 18:23

Steelers :: WR

Charges Dropped Against WR Holmes

Associated Press, CNNSI.com - [Full Article]

Prosecutors dismissed a charge of disorderly conduct against WR Santonio Holmes, but he was ordered to donate $250 to the police officers assistance trust fund

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July 12, 2006, 16:39

Steelers :: WR

WR Holmes Pleads Not Guilty

Associated Press - [Full Article]

Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Santonio Holmes entered a written plea of not guilty Wednesday to disorderly conduct charges. Neither Holmes nor his attorney were present at a brief hearing before Miami-Dade County Judge Darrin P. Gayles. A court date wasn't immediately set. Holmes, who was the Steelers' first-round pick in the April NFL draft out of Ohio State, was arrested as part of a police crackdown on revelers who annually converge on Miami Beach during the Memorial Day weekend.

July 7, 2006, 09:29

Steelers :: WR

Steelers' WR S.Holmes In Court

WPXI.com - [Full Article]

Steelers’ No. 1 draft pick WR Santonio Holmes is scheduled to go to court today. The former Ohio State receiver faces domestic violence, assault and speeding charges. If convicted, he could face up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine. Holmes has pleaded not guilty on all three charges

Oakland Raiders:

Why bother.

I could go on and on but what's the point. Every team has it's share of problems and I think this illustrates the point. Many have chosen to single out the Bengals. Perhaps it's because they view the Bengals as threats to their teams. Perhaps they are so competitive that they look for any reason to bash, who knows? But the facts speak for themselves:

The NFL is getting alot like the NBA and they need to address the problem and hold players accountable. All teams and all players.

 

[Kip Dynamite]

I heard that the Bengals may hire O.J. to coach the running backs.

Just a rumor though

 

[Family Matters]

I heard that the Bengals may hire O.J. to coach the running backs.Just a rumor though

He's going to the Oakland Raiders. They feel he'd be best at "slashing" their payroll.

 

[dapace2]

What is more newsworthy, the fact that a guy was kicked off an NCCA program, that he went undrafted in the Supplemental draft, or that he'd spent 258 days in jail for assault and robbery? Looks to me like the Cincy Press is either asleep or helping to brush embarrassing signings under the rug.

I followed this guy's college career and wanted to share a little background. I'll preface this by saying I live close to Iowa State but am not a fan at all, trust me.

As a freshman, he was a stud linebacker and gained a starting position immediately. He was defensive newcomer of the year for the Big 12. (I'm doing this from memory, so correct me if I'm wrong.

After his freshmen season, he was arrested for assault and battery for pulling a knife on a guy and stealing his cell phone and $2.00. I don't know the whole stiuation, but he was stinking drunk at the time. He stood up and took blame for what he did. From what I saw, he was sincerely sorry for his actions. I think these two things separate him from a lot of professional athletes: he took responsibility for his actions and was truly sorry (unlike Kobe). He did his time in jail.

Once out of jail, he applied for reinstatement to the Iowa State program and McCarney accepted him with the condition that anything else pops up, he's off the team.

So he gets busted for being in a bar one week before his 21st birthday. Not drinking, just being in the bar. Off the team he goes.

I don't know the guy and like I said, I don't like Iowa State, but I was truly impressed that McCarney gave this guy another chance, and I was impressed that this young guy accepted blame for his actions; I commend his parents.

In conclusion, I think this guy is worthy of another chance. I know the Bengals have a lot of well-publicized off-field problems, but don't group Berryman in with them so quickly.

 

[Family Matters]

What is more newsworthy, the fact that a guy was kicked off an NCCA program, that he went undrafted in the Supplemental draft, or that he'd spent 258 days in jail for assault and robbery? Looks to me like the Cincy Press is either asleep or helping to brush embarrassing signings under the rug.

I followed this guy's college career and wanted to share a little background. I'll preface this by saying I live close to Iowa State but am not a fan at all, trust me.

As a freshman, he was a stud linebacker and gained a starting position immediately. He was defensive newcomer of the year for the Big 12. (I'm doing this from memory, so correct me if I'm wrong.

After his freshmen season, he was arrested for assault and battery for pulling a knife on a guy and stealing his cell phone and $2.00. I don't know the whole stiuation, but he was stinking drunk at the time. He stood up and took blame for what he did. From what I saw, he was sincerely sorry for his actions. I think these two things separate him from a lot of professional athletes: he took responsibility for his actions and was truly sorry (unlike Kobe). He did his time in jail.

Once out of jail, he applied for reinstatement to the Iowa State program and McCarney accepted him with the condition that anything else pops up, he's off the team.

So he gets busted for being in a bar one week before his 21st birthday. Not drinking, just being in the bar. Off the team he goes.

I don't know the guy and like I said, I don't like Iowa State, but I was truly impressed that McCarney gave this guy another chance, and I was impressed that this young guy accepted blame for his actions; I commend his parents.

In conclusion, I think this guy is worthy of another chance. I know the Bengals have a lot of well-publicized off-field problems, but don't group Berryman in with them so quickly.

But these guys don't want to hear about this. They are not able to see it for what it really is, just that at 1 time he had a problem and now he's on the Bengals. You make their posts appear silly with what you've shared with us so they won't like it much. In the future, try not to bother us with silly facts like this. it makes it diffuclt for the bahsers to make their point.

Of course I say that toung in cheek but you get my drift. It's quite popular to jump on the bandwagon. In doing so you don't actually have to do any research. You can just pile on along with everyone else. But your post is appreciated. And for the record, I believe people desrve additional chances for young adults that learning their way around. This is a good example of a situation that appears to be going in the right direction.

 

[Family Matters]

Don't look now but the Chargers have another law breaker:

January 7, 2007, 10:06

Chargers :: TE

Chargers TE Krause Arrested For DUI

Kevin Acee, San Diego Union-Tribune - [Full Article]

TE Ryan Krause was arrested early yesterday on suspicion of driving under the influence, San Diego police said. Krause, 25, was booked into County Jail after he was arrested about 2 a.m. He was released at 9 a.m. on bail, according to the Sheriff's Department.

 

[redman]

Wonder if this guy worked out for any other teams? Wonder why it's only mentioned when the Bengals look at guys like this?

If you have to wonder, then you're the problem here. This is like Nick Saban wondering why people are calling him a mercenary because he just started his new job. It would appear that the river by the stadium in Cincy is De Nile.

 

[redman]

Don't look now but the Chargers have another law breaker:January 7, 2007, 10:06 Chargers :: TEChargers TE Krause Arrested For DUIKevin Acee, San Diego Union-Tribune - [Full Article]TE Ryan Krause was arrested early yesterday on suspicion of driving under the influence, San Diego police said. Krause, 25, was booked into County Jail after he was arrested about 2 a.m. He was released at 9 a.m. on bail, according to the Sheriff's Department.

The Chargers have several. They're still about 5 behind the Bengals, and they aren't working out more to sign them. It's 10:00, Mr. Brown, do you know where your LB is?

 

[Family Matters]

Wonder if this guy worked out for any other teams? Wonder why it's only mentioned when the Bengals look at guys like this?

If you have to wonder, then you're the problem here. This is like Nick Saban wondering why people are calling him a mercenary because he just started his new job. It would appear that the river by the stadium in Cincy is De Nile.

Your post makes absolutely no sense. Good work redman.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Could somebody list the arrests/problems the Bengals have had this year? Not the players, but the offenses. TIA.

 

[redman]

Wonder if this guy worked out for any other teams? Wonder why it's only mentioned when the Bengals look at guys like this?

:(

If you have to wonder, then you're the problem here. This is like Nick Saban wondering why people are calling him a mercenary because he just started his new job. It would appear that the river by the stadium in Cincy is De Nile.

Your post makes absolutely no sense. Good work redman.

Eh, swing and a miss with the analogy. Of course, I can admit when I'm wrong, guy. Can you?