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Bengals release Coles (1 Viewer)
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Jene Bramel
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Beat writers reporting that the Bengals may try to get Kevin Walter back.
CentralPA
Footballguy
PPR draft position going
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
they should trade Palmer, sign TO and Vick and Pacman, and just officially become the NFL's bad boys already.
Fiddles
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u forgot marshall
Ron_Mexico
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Joe Reedy told me:
Caldwell has a chance to step into the No. 2 role. He can fit in that TJ role as a possession-type guy
Caldwell has a chance to step into the No. 2 role. He can fit in that TJ role as a possession-type guy
GreatLakesMike
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It really doesn't matter who the Bengals sign/draft at WR if Palmer is still the QB. His arm is shot.
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Sabertooth
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I'd love to see it. I've had him stashed for a long time now.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
To be more than a solid slot option, Caldwell will have to find a way to separate much more consistently. I don't think he's got the strength or speed to stretch the field or separate on shorter routes. TJ ran the possession routes, but almost always had someone on the outside to stretch the field for him in his best years. TJ was much stronger in tight spaces and found ways to create separation and his hands were (usually) better. It would be great if Caldwell follows the same career path.
doowain
Footballguy
I get that, and at times last year he did a pretty good TJ impersonation (1st Steeler game), but why is it that the Bengals waste his deep speed? Am I missing something? The kid has plenty of speed (4.37 40). I remember an interview his rookie year where he said he routinely beat Percy Harvin in foot races while at Florida.
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Hard to be fast when you're always banged up, and he had some serious injuries in college that might have sapped his top-end jets. That speed never translated that I could see.
doowain
Footballguy
The injuries in college didn't seem to slow him down at the combine. That's where that 4.37 40 time came from.But I agree on the banged up part. He does have a bit of moxy like TJ did, so I'd really love to see him in that role. Palmer seemed to look for him first on 3rd downs a lot and he became a goalline target for him when they got into passing situations.I don't see the issues that Jene sees though with getting separation. I thought he did fairly well at getting open underneath on the checkdown routes....at least as well as to be expected for a 1st year starter
EBF
Footballguy
I wouldn't pigeonhole Caldwell as a slot guy just yet. He's 6' 204 pounds with 4.3 speed. Plenty big and fast to play on the outside. His numbers improved dramatically from his first season to his second. He's the most intriguing WR2 candidate on the roster, but Matt Jones could be a factor and I've read some blurbs that the Bengals are seriously contemplating drafting two WRs this year.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I don't see the issues that Jene sees though with getting separation. I thought he did fairly well at getting open underneath on the checkdown routes....at least as well as to be expected for a 1st year starter
I don't mean to pigeonhole Caldwell. I think he's absolutely the most interesting WR2 on the roster right now. I'm actually a big fan and think he can grow into a successful and larger role as Houshmandzadeh did. When used as a slot guy early in the season, he showed a knack for finding the open spots in the underneath zones and good toughness and hands in small spaces. As the season progressed, he was less consistent in those areas, but he's got the talent to handle the possession role.When Caldwell was moved outside later in the season, I thought it was a good move. Unfortunately, he consistently struggled on timing routes, was covered more often than not on deep outs against marginal competition and I can't recall a play in which he got separation deep. He was doing other subtle things like driving back to the ball well, though, and I think he'll be more consistent outside if given the opportunity.My concerns are twofold, I guess. I'd really like to see that 4.37 speed translated into an ability to stretch the field, as there's more to getting open deep than straight-line speed and I haven't seen Caldwell beat jams off the line or run past corners with any consistency in his short time outside. I'd also like to see some of the strength he showed in tight spaces from the slot translated into the routes he'll run outside.
BoltBacker
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Bramel = $Hope to hear you on the podcasts soon Jene.I don't see the issues that Jene sees though with getting separation. I thought he did fairly well at getting open underneath on the checkdown routes....at least as well as to be expected for a 1st year starterI don't mean to pigeonhole Caldwell. I think he's absolutely the most interesting WR2 on the roster right now. I'm actually a big fan and think he can grow into a successful and larger role as Houshmandzadeh did. When used as a slot guy early in the season, he showed a knack for finding the open spots in the underneath zones and good toughness and hands in small spaces. As the season progressed, he was less consistent in those areas, but he's got the talent to handle the possession role.When Caldwell was moved outside later in the season, I thought it was a good move. Unfortunately, he consistently struggled on timing routes, was covered more often than not on deep outs against marginal competition and I can't recall a play in which he got separation deep. He was doing other subtle things like driving back to the ball well, though, and I think he'll be more consistent outside if given the opportunity.My concerns are twofold, I guess. I'd really like to see that 4.37 speed translated into an ability to stretch the field, as there's more to getting open deep than straight-line speed and I haven't seen Caldwell beat jams off the line or run past corners with any consistency in his short time outside. I'd also like to see some of the strength he showed in tight spaces from the slot translated into the routes he'll run outside.
I've been trying to shop at The Dollar Store most of the Winter...acquiring Caldwell in as many dynasty leagues as I could BEFORE the Coles release became final. I'm not saying Caldwell has "it" or will become the next Housh for the Bengals either. His game has holes/flaws...that if left unresolved will have him hitting the scrap heap of FFL WRs in a couple of seasons. However, for how cheaply he can (could) be acquired across a great-many leagues out there, he seems to easily be worth a mid-round flyer in the 2010 rookie draft (trading a pick for him after the top 30-35 are off the board).
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Ditkaless Wonders
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This was Chris Henry's slot and the shot so many of us had hoped for who held him for so long.
ChargersOH
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Caldwell didn't shine last year.I'd pick up Jones over Caldwell. He was thriving in a Woody Hayes environment in Jacksonville, and if he's matured will be the more likely #2.Given the Bengals needs on D, the fact they have some developing WRs, and their cheap budget, I wouldn't expect much in FA or any diva draft WRs.T.O. would not be a good fit. He has playmaking abilities, but they just dropped an aging playmaker with unreliable hands. Why would they get another?I'm still wondering in the back of my mind if Palmer has lost it. If he has, it won't matter what WRs they have.
QuizGuy66
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I much more see Caldwell as the replacement for Housh, not the Henry role. Regardless of his speed figure, he seemed to be much more natural in that Housh-like get the first down role. That was supposed to be the shot Coles would take but didn't. I think they are likely to acquire a burner one way or the other. The only way I see Caldwell getting shifted to that role would be if they got Walter.
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FantasyMan
Footballguy
The 26 year old Matt Jones is looking like a very good pickup right now.
Just sayin'
Just sayin'
FUBAR
Footballguy
I have both him and Caldwell on my roster but I'm just not sure I see big things from either. if you told me today that one would be in the WR20-30 range, I'd be betting on Caldwell.
FUBAR
Footballguy
At that price you'd be crazy not to get him.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
Caldwell didn't overly impress last year, but I think with a weak armed Palmer, he could be a 65-76 catch guy next year. i think there's a great shot he's the #2 next year. I think there's a better shot Jones is released than breaking the starting lineup.
The Coles move was a no brainer. I don't know how much of a market there is for a drop prone possession guy. I can see him going somewhere as a WR3.
The Coles move was a no brainer. I don't know how much of a market there is for a drop prone possession guy. I can see him going somewhere as a WR3.
Invictus~Bronte
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D'OHtis
Footballguy
No argument there. [i don't think he's one of the top 20 QB's in the league right now] But the front office in Cincy doesn't seem to realize it & he should be there for the forseeable future.
Ron_Mexico
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Jets | Have talked with Coles
Mon, 08 Mar 2010
Updating a previous report, Dennis Waszak Jr., of The Associated Press, reports New York Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum said he has talked unrestricted free-agent WR Laveranues Coles and his agent but nothing is imminent.
Mon, 08 Mar 2010
Updating a previous report, Dennis Waszak Jr., of The Associated Press, reports New York Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum said he has talked unrestricted free-agent WR Laveranues Coles and his agent but nothing is imminent.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
I don't think he'll be given that shot with them being linked to Bryant/Owens [one of which they'll sign IMO...Bryant ought to be the pick - not that he will be it]. I think Caldwell's a #3 WR, which he's proven to be adequate as through his career to date.I really think now is the time to sell him to someone that does see him in that Housh role. #1 Palmer isn't what he was [and not close to it]. #2 They've become a run first team. #3 Caldwell hasn't turned any heads through his first couple years in the league.
