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Bengals...what are they doing? (1 Viewer)

Black said:
I was wondering how you could go from very bad to worse, but this seems to be a good plan to get there:

Let go of CJohnson and Housh, franchise the kicker, and make re-signing Cedric Benson a priority? Man, this seems like a recipe for disaster.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2009021.../902180378/1066
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Nick Lachey was just saying the same things on NFL Sirius earlier today....wait, you're not him are you? If you are, good timing on the whole Jessica Simpson deal.
 
Asked my friend in Pittsburgh why he thinks the Steelers are so relevant seemingly every year for as long as we've both been watching football. His answer:

Strong ownership

Stable coaching

Commitment to team philosophy

Have the Browns and Bengals as divisional rivals

 
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Black said:
I was wondering how you could go from very bad to worse, but this seems to be a good plan to get there:

Let go of CJohnson and Housh, franchise the kicker, and make re-signing Cedric Benson a priority? Man, this seems like a recipe for disaster.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2009021.../902180378/1066
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I'm kind of confused. --> :goodposting: Where did you get "let go of CJohnson" from? If he leaves, its via trade, and no one seems to be suggesting thats a possibility right now.

Should the Bengals be paying Housh $9mil via the franchise tag to stay?

Shayne Graham is one of, if not the, best kickers in the NFL...why wouldnt they want to make sure they keep him if they don't want to franchise Housh?

I agree they shouldn't make locking up Benson LONG-TERM a priority...but shouldnt they be trying to get him to stay given how well he performed last year?

Seems like a lot of complaining over nothing...

 
How about signing the worst punter in the league to tag team with the next to worst they already own.... some thngs will never change in bungal land.

 
Housh is about as replaceable as a WR can get. Possession WRs like him are easy to come by the guy is going to be 32 years old, Caldwell or Henry will replace him fine. Let him go take the third, and use the money else where. We need a pass rusher, a center and an OT, Housh is neither of those positions. Im kinda glad they're letting him walk.

 
vandyt said:
Black said:
I was wondering how you could go from very bad to worse, but this seems to be a good plan to get there:

Let go of CJohnson and Housh, franchise the kicker, and make re-signing Cedric Benson a priority? Man, this seems like a recipe for disaster.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2009021.../902180378/1066
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I'm kind of confused. --> :confused: Where did you get "let go of CJohnson" from? If he leaves, its via trade, and no one seems to be suggesting thats a possibility right now.

Should the Bengals be paying Housh $9mil via the franchise tag to stay?

Shayne Graham is one of, if not the, best kickers in the NFL...why wouldnt they want to make sure they keep him if they don't want to franchise Housh?

I agree they shouldn't make locking up Benson LONG-TERM a priority...but shouldnt they be trying to get him to stay given how well he performed last year?

Seems like a lot of complaining over nothing...
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:shrug: this is a very good move by the Bengals. They don't have any FA position players worth a top 5 salary.

If they would have tagged Housh or Benson they would have made a horrid financial decision.

 
NorrisB said:
Housh is about as replaceable as a WR can get. Possession WRs like him are easy to come by the guy is going to be 32 years old, Caldwell or Henry will replace him fine. Let him go take the third, and use the money else where. We need a pass rusher, a center and an OT, Housh is neither of those positions. Im kinda glad they're letting him walk.
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His value is pretty high for other teams (possession receiver or not). It's kinda sad to see them not get anything for him.
 
vandyt said:
Black said:
I was wondering how you could go from very bad to worse, but this seems to be a good plan to get there:

Let go of CJohnson and Housh, franchise the kicker, and make re-signing Cedric Benson a priority? Man, this seems like a recipe for disaster.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2009021.../902180378/1066
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I'm kind of confused. --> :thumbup: Where did you get "let go of CJohnson" from? If he leaves, its via trade, and no one seems to be suggesting thats a possibility right now.

Should the Bengals be paying Housh $9mil via the franchise tag to stay?

Shayne Graham is one of, if not the, best kickers in the NFL...why wouldnt they want to make sure they keep him if they don't want to franchise Housh?

I agree they shouldn't make locking up Benson LONG-TERM a priority...but shouldnt they be trying to get him to stay given how well he performed last year?

Seems like a lot of complaining over nothing...
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I am guessing it came from the title of this thread. If you read the content, the you would think it less likely that 85 will be traded, but the title and the original post make you think...maybe.
 
Sproles is worth top 5 back money, Scott Mitchell is worth it whoops sorry that is Matt Cassel but Housh isn't worth it. I don't get it.

 
Black said:
I was wondering how you could go from very bad to worse, but this seems to be a good plan to get there:

Let go of CJohnson and Housh, franchise the kicker, and make re-signing Cedric Benson a priority? Man, this seems like a recipe for disaster.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2009021.../902180378/1066
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Cedric actually ran pretty well for them last year. Have no idea what they are doing franchising a kicker. Im in a 4 man keeper league, should one of my keepers be my kicker? The benglas would say yes i bet. :confused:
 
I don't see the big deal..housh is not worth the money he is going to ask for...CJ is under contract, so if they do get rid of him it will be in a trade...

As for benson, Down the stretch he appeared to get better, and had some very nice games. I'd venture to say that he even helped a couple of guys to fantasy titles thanks to the week 15,16,17 performances he had. He JUSt turned 26 years old, and despite all of the uproar about his legal issues I don't think he was ever even formally charged and on trial for either of his supposed DUI's. He was immature the first couple of years, but where have you seen this before...guy goes to a new place and has a decent career, happens all the time...

 
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NorrisB said:
Housh is about as replaceable as a WR can get. Possession WRs like him are easy to come by the guy is going to be 32 years old, Caldwell or Henry will replace him fine. Let him go take the third, and use the money else where. We need a pass rusher, a center and an OT, Housh is neither of those positions. Im kinda glad they're letting him walk.
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Wow. Just... wow.
 
Scotch Rocks said:
Asked my friend in Pittsburgh why he thinks the Steelers are so relevant seemingly every year for as long as we've both been watching football. His answer:Have the Browns and Bengals as divisional rivals
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Actually, this one is enough to practically guarantee a division title every couple of years or so.
 
eefflrat said:
I don't see the big deal..housh is not worth the money he is going to ask for...CJ is under contract, so if they do get rid of him it will be in a trade...
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Exactly.If they're lucky Crabtree will fall; if not, they saved a lot of $ that can best be used elsewhere.
 
Chicago Hooligan said:
Benson isn't worth $6.6 mil for one year (tag price).
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no he isn't, but he is worth some sort of a deal though..he was pretty solid last season, all things considered ( no Palmer, banged up O-line, etc)...he's still young and you never know what you'll get from any rookie RB you draft..:yucky:I'd lock him up with a multi-year contract.. :confused:
 
I'm sure Benson will get an offer and he will probably stay with the Bengals. They did (maybe) help him turn his career around. Make it an incentive-heavy contract.

 
Benson is going to be a good performer for the Bengals this year. He is a young 26, doesn't have a lot of carries on him. I think Cincy will try to run a lot and Benson will get the vast majority of those carries. 1100 yards and 10-12 TD's is about what I expect out of him. However, as an owner who will most likely NEED those kind of numbers from him I may be a bit biased, hopeful and looking at the half full portion of the glass.

 
eefflrat said:
As for benson, Down the stretch he appeared to get better, and had some very nice games. I'd venture to say that he even helped a couple of guys to fantasy titles thanks to the week 15,16,17 performances he had. He JUSt turned 26 years old, and despite all of the uproar about his legal issues I don't think he was ever even formally charged and on trial for either of his supposed DUI's. He was immature the first couple of years, but where have you seen this before...guy goes to a new place and has a decent career, happens all the time...
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He was acquitted on all charges.Though you won't find many fantasy players that will acknowledge that bit of info. Much easier to dogpile on him.

 
the branded hand said:
NorrisB said:
Housh is about as replaceable as a WR can get. Possession WRs like him are easy to come by the guy is going to be 32 years old, Caldwell or Henry will replace him fine. Let him go take the third, and use the money else where. We need a pass rusher, a center and an OT, Housh is neither of those positions. Im kinda glad they're letting him walk.
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His value is pretty high for other teams (possession receiver or not). It's kinda sad to see them not get anything for him.
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this isn't true, they'll get a compensatory pick depending on how much money he signs for and how well he produces (nobody actually knows the formula)good teams let aging vets like TJ walk all the time. part of the business. The Bengals are rebuilding and a 30+ WR isn't gonna be around once they right the ship. They drafted 2 guys last year and now is the best time to get them on the field. Looks like they may be financially committed to Ocho since they can't really get fair value since they didn't have a back-up QB to get their WR's the ball last year.

 
Stillers Jr. said:
Adebisi said:
Wow. Just... wow.
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I'd love to outlaw this phrase...this and "pwn3d"
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I'm guilty of the "wow" phrase, but at least it's not part of the 3rd grade online gaming mentality of "pwn3d" and "FAIL", among many others.Back on topic, I'm thinking (hoping, I own Palmer) Chad is a Bengal in 2009 - if he & Carson are back to 100% then I see good things happening for both, especially if an OT is taken with their 1st pick.
 
loose circuits said:
the branded hand said:
NorrisB said:
Housh is about as replaceable as a WR can get. Possession WRs like him are easy to come by the guy is going to be 32 years old, Caldwell or Henry will replace him fine. Let him go take the third, and use the money else where. We need a pass rusher, a center and an OT, Housh is neither of those positions. Im kinda glad they're letting him walk.
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His value is pretty high for other teams (possession receiver or not). It's kinda sad to see them not get anything for him.
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this isn't true, they'll get a compensatory pick depending on how much money he signs for and how well he produces (nobody actually knows the formula)good teams let aging vets like TJ walk all the time. part of the business. The Bengals are rebuilding and a 30+ WR isn't gonna be around once they right the ship. They drafted 2 guys last year and now is the best time to get them on the field. Looks like they may be financially committed to Ocho since they can't really get fair value since they didn't have a back-up QB to get their WR's the ball last year.
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keep an eye out here during the offseason---there is a guy from another board who does amazingly well at nailing the compensation for FA's departed(net)...IIRC they award compensatory pix after the net gain/loss thru FA is figured outthe problem w/losing Housh is that pick will come in '10, after the starts/time played is computed (that is the mitigating factor in the compensation according to the poster)

and Benson shouldn't cost them a ton of money---that cat couldn't haul water for anyone last year, let alone tote the rock....if he has any scence left in that thick head, he takes a couple $MMM bonus, sign a 3yr deal and be happy he has a job...there is, and always will be, available RB's

 
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ravnzfan said:
loose circuits said:
the branded hand said:
NorrisB said:
Housh is about as replaceable as a WR can get. Possession WRs like him are easy to come by the guy is going to be 32 years old, Caldwell or Henry will replace him fine. Let him go take the third, and use the money else where. We need a pass rusher, a center and an OT, Housh is neither of those positions. Im kinda glad they're letting him walk.
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His value is pretty high for other teams (possession receiver or not). It's kinda sad to see them not get anything for him.
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this isn't true, they'll get a compensatory pick depending on how much money he signs for and how well he produces (nobody actually knows the formula)good teams let aging vets like TJ walk all the time. part of the business. The Bengals are rebuilding and a 30+ WR isn't gonna be around once they right the ship. They drafted 2 guys last year and now is the best time to get them on the field. Looks like they may be financially committed to Ocho since they can't really get fair value since they didn't have a back-up QB to get their WR's the ball last year.
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keep an eye out here during the offseason---there is a guy from another board who does amazingly well at nailing the compensation for FA's departed(net)...IIRC they award compensatory pix after the net gain/loss thru FA is figured outthe problem w/losing Housh is that pick will come in '10, after the starts/time played is computed (that is the mitigating factor in the compensation according to the poster)

and Benson shouldn't cost them a ton of money---that cat couldn't haul water for anyone last year, let alone tote the rock....if he has any scence left in that thick head, he takes a couple $MMM bonus, sign a 3yr deal and be happy he has a job...there is, and always will be, available RB's
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He is known as "adamjt13" and he has it figured out for sure.another person who has it figured out is Paraag Marathe Vice President of Football Operations for the 49ers... (he is more of a math guy than a football guy)

Cheers!

BAM

 
loose circuits said:
the branded hand said:
NorrisB said:
Housh is about as replaceable as a WR can get. Possession WRs like him are easy to come by the guy is going to be 32 years old, Caldwell or Henry will replace him fine. Let him go take the third, and use the money else where. We need a pass rusher, a center and an OT, Housh is neither of those positions. Im kinda glad they're letting him walk.
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His value is pretty high for other teams (possession receiver or not). It's kinda sad to see them not get anything for him.
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this isn't true, they'll get a compensatory pick depending on how much money he signs for and how well he produces (nobody actually knows the formula)good teams let aging vets like TJ walk all the time. part of the business. The Bengals are rebuilding and a 30+ WR isn't gonna be around once they right the ship. They drafted 2 guys last year and now is the best time to get them on the field. Looks like they may be financially committed to Ocho since they can't really get fair value since they didn't have a back-up QB to get their WR's the ball last year.
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Thanks for the details...
 
NorrisB said:
Housh is about as replaceable as a WR can get. Possession WRs like him are easy to come by the guy is going to be 32 years old, Caldwell or Henry will replace him fine. Let him go take the third, and use the money else where. We need a pass rusher, a center and an OT, Housh is neither of those positions. Im kinda glad they're letting him walk.
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a guy that has caught 11 passes in his carreer and a guy that just got out of prison and could go back at any time.....yeah, they will replace House just fine. stick to FF.
 
Housh was great on the Bengals. Product of a good system and great rapport with a star QB. However, someone is going to throw too much cash his way and realize they just bought a post-Dallas Alvin Harper.

I can't fault the Bengals for paying him WR1 money when there are much more pressing needs.

 
Maybe I'm biased as a Jerome Simpson owner, but it sure seems like Marvin Lewis speaks more of Simpson than he does of Caldwell. Maybe Lovie is trying to justify "reaching" for Simpson in last year's draft, or maybe he sincerely thinks Simpson is the better long-term replacement (over Caldwell) for Housh's soon-to-be vacant position. With Simpson being drafted from a small-time program (Coastal Carolina) and Caldwell coming from Florida, one would have assumed that Caldwell would have been more prepared in the first season.

Feb 21, 2009:

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=7513

"I told our quarterback that; don't get frustrated by (Simpson)," Lewis said. "You've got to find a way to take him by the facemask and find a way to develop a relationship with him because here's a guy with pure athletic talent and we've got to figure out a way to get him to learn and be productive as far as the mental part of the game and the adjustments he needs to do as a wide receiver."

Jan 28, 2009:

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=7481

"With Jerome hurt, we're down two there. Unfortunately whenever Jerome was getting ready to be a part of things, he got hurt. He's a key person for us. When you put a second-round draft pick on a player, you expect that player to contribute at some point in his rookie year and be a major contributor in his second season.



"We knew he was raw," Lewis said. "But obviously we have to do double time now to reap the rewards of him. His athleticism, his speed, his ability to catchThat's coaching. That's my responsibility and my job is to get more out of Jerome Simpson."

 
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Weiner Dog said:
Maybe Lovie :goodposting:
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My sense is that Simpson is boom/bust while Caldwell will end up dependable but not outstanding. Simpson has gifts (look for a few of his catches in college on youtube). I do think this year is likely make or break for him, but it took a few years for Housh to blossom so anything's possible.-QG

 
I wish they would take a look at Lance Moore of the Saints.....2nd round tender...woulda been better than Caldwell or Simpson.

 
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