Benson arrested for May 30th assault (1 Viewer)

[Carolina Hustler]

Also for reference...

"In 2008, Benson was arrested for two alcohol-related incidents, but a Travis County grand jury declined to indict him and charges were dropped."

BTW, Goodell does not really care of a case was dismissed or not.

You don't think Goodell doesn't care? I think he will care. The case was never even brought to trial. That's a might big factor to ignore. Arrests might be a determining factor to review a player's situation, but I bet whether or not an indictment is handed down is a mitigating factor. Still, there are sacrifices one should consider making with this career. Hanging out at bars is probably one of them - right or wrong.

I'll let the commissioner resolve this:

Goodell commenting on Roethlisberger

“The personal conduct policy makes clear that I may impose discipline ‘even where the conduct does not result in conviction of a crime’ as, for example, where the conduct ‘imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person’,” Goodell stated in his letter to Roethlisberger. “As the District Attorney concluded, the extensive investigatory record shows that you contributed to the irresponsible consumption of alcohol by purchasing (or facilitating the purchase of) alcoholic beverages for underage college students, at least some of whom were likely already intoxicated. There is no question that the excessive consumption of alcohol that evening put the students and yourself at risk. The personal-conduct policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that ‘undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.’ By any measure, your conduct satisfies that standard.”

Getting in a tangle at a bar with another consenting, and maybe instigating adult, and getting a college girl drunk for the purposes of taking advantage are 2 WAAAAY different things all together... For starters, one is premeditated and one isn't.. Then there is the consent thing... Ben has made a reputation for himself in doing that exact thing. Getting a bunch of young girls drunk in the VIP, treating them like hookers... being a drunkin scumbag... Then he walks out of a bathroom, leaving his last victim lying on the floor and goes back about his buisness.. LOL, this isn't apples to apples here, more like watermelons and cranberries...

Assult is completely new in Cedric's case and then the mitigating factors all look to be in his favor. He was struck first, he called the police, he stayed on the seen to be interviewed by the police, he hasn't tried to hide from it, and has cooperated the entire time.

Now in unrelated incidents he was drinking and driving, which is completely inexcusable, but not in any way related. More than 2 years prior and completely unrelated, and he was never convicted, which means it was never proven. And how many people out there haven't gotten behind the wheel after having to many? At least once? Still not excusing it, but certainly a lot more common then it is to have 2 drunkin rape accusations in 2 years, and a history of VIProom #####-bag antics... I'd categorize Pacman Jones closer to Ben then I would Benson...

##### in the VIProom = ##### in the Champagne room....

Raping a young drunkin college girl = shooting a stripper....

Getting in a fist fight with another man, in a bar? Please.. No contest...

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Also for reference...

"In 2008, Benson was arrested for two alcohol-related incidents, but a Travis County grand jury declined to indict him and charges were dropped."

BTW, Goodell does not really care of a case was dismissed or not.

You don't think Goodell doesn't care? I think he will care. The case was never even brought to trial. That's a might big factor to ignore. Arrests might be a determining factor to review a player's situation, but I bet whether or not an indictment is handed down is a mitigating factor. Still, there are sacrifices one should consider making with this career. Hanging out at bars is probably one of them - right or wrong.

I'll let the commissioner resolve this:

Goodell commenting on Roethlisberger

“The personal conduct policy makes clear that I may impose discipline ‘even where the conduct does not result in conviction of a crime’ as, for example, where the conduct ‘imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person’,” Goodell stated in his letter to Roethlisberger. “As the District Attorney concluded, the extensive investigatory record shows that you contributed to the irresponsible consumption of alcohol by purchasing (or facilitating the purchase of) alcoholic beverages for underage college students, at least some of whom were likely already intoxicated. There is no question that the excessive consumption of alcohol that evening put the students and yourself at risk. The personal-conduct policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that ‘undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.’ By any measure, your conduct satisfies that standard.”

Getting in a tangle at a bar with another consenting, and maybe instigating adult, and getting a college girl drunk for the purposes of taking advantage are 2 WAAAAY different things all together... For starters, one is premeditated and one isn't.. Then there is the consent thing... Ben has made a reputation for himself in doing that exact thing. Getting a bunch of young girls drunk in the VIP, treating them like hookers... being a drunkin scumbag... Then he walks out of a bathroom, leaving his last victim lying on the floor and goes back about his buisness.. LOL, this isn't apples to apples here, more like watermelons and cranberries...

Assult is completely new in Cedric's case and then the mitigating factors all look to be in his favor. He was struck first, he called the police, he stayed on the seen to be interviewed by the police, he hasn't tried to hide from it, and has cooperated the entire time.

Now in unrelated incidents he was drinking and driving, which is completely inexcusable, but not in any way related. More than 2 years prior and completely unrelated, and he was never convicted, which means it was never proven. And how many people out there haven't gotten behind the wheel after having to many? At least once? Still not excusing it, but certainly a lot more common then it is to have 2 drunkin rape accusations in 2 years, and a history of VIProom #####-bag antics... I'd categorize Pacman Jones closer to Ben then I would Benson...

##### in the VIProom = ##### in the Champagne room....

Raping a young drunkin college girl = shooting a stripper....

Getting in a fist fight with another man, in a bar? Please.. No contest...

It's not my intenet to take Goodell's statement and parse them to read another way, but the first and last sentence's ring true for every member of the NFL under this policy: ----------------------

“The personal conduct policy makes clear that I may impose discipline ‘even where the conduct does not result in conviction of a crime’ as, for example, where the conduct ‘imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person"

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The personal-conduct policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that ‘undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It's not my intenet to take Goodell's statement and parse them to read another way, but the first and last sentence's ring true for every member of the NFL under this policy:

----------------------

“The personal conduct policy makes clear that I may impose discipline ‘even where the conduct does not result in conviction of a crime’ as, for example, where the conduct ‘imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person"

---------------------

The personal-conduct policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that ‘undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.

Both of those lines would hold responsible every player in the NFL for a host of Issues. None of which suggests Benson should be severely punished for being accused of DUI one years and then getting in a fist fight nearly 3 years later...

Vince Young hit a guy on the football field 2 years ago, unprovoked, at least not physically provoked... Then attacks a guy in a bar who also never touched him... no suspension.... 2 aggravated, and similar issues... aggressive violence

Benson fights only after being hit first and everyone is willing to crucify him here.... WOW... Haters...

3 unrelated issues with no aggravating factors, and all of the mitigating factors fall in his favor...

The quoted sentences above, if used in the manner you suggest, would penalize 50% of the NFL. I think you might be taking it differently than it was intended... either that, or you fail to apply those same sentences to previous cases which have already been settled and for which we already know the outcome.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

It's not my intenet to take Goodell's statement and parse them to read another way, but the first and last sentence's ring true for every member of the NFL under this policy:

----------------------

“The personal conduct policy makes clear that I may impose discipline ‘even where the conduct does not result in conviction of a crime’ as, for example, where the conduct ‘imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person"

---------------------

The personal-conduct policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that ‘undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.

Both of those lines would hold responsible every player in the NFL for a host of Issues. None of which suggests Benson should be severely punished for being accused of DUI one years and then getting in a fist fight nearly 3 years later...

Vince Young hit a guy on the football field 2 years ago, unprovoked, at least not physically provoked... Then attacks a guy in a bar who also never touched him... no suspension.... 2 aggravated, and similar issues... aggressive violence

Benson fights only after being hit first and everyone is willing to crucify him here.... WOW... Haters...

3 unrelated issues with no aggravating factors, and all of the mitigating factors fall in his favor...

The quoted sentences above, if used in the manner you suggest, would penalize 50% of the NFL. I think you might be taking it differently than it was intended... either that, or you fail to apply those same sentences to previous cases which have already been settled and for which we already know the outcome.

Considering that there has been no league penalty for the bar fight that Benson was involved in, it's speculation at this point. I'm just trying to steer any NFL employee conduct back to Goodell's own words.

 

[TitansFan10]

It's not my intenet to take Goodell's statement and parse them to read another way, but the first and last sentence's ring true for every member of the NFL under this policy:

----------------------

“The personal conduct policy makes clear that I may impose discipline ‘even where the conduct does not result in conviction of a crime’ as, for example, where the conduct ‘imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person"

---------------------

The personal-conduct policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that ‘undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.

Both of those lines would hold responsible every player in the NFL for a host of Issues. None of which suggests Benson should be severely punished for being accused of DUI one years and then getting in a fist fight nearly 3 years later...

Vince Young hit a guy on the football field 2 years ago, unprovoked, at least not physically provoked... Then attacks a guy in a bar who also never touched him... no suspension.... 2 aggravated, and similar issues... aggressive violence

Benson fights only after being hit first and everyone is willing to crucify him here.... WOW... Haters...

3 unrelated issues with no aggravating factors, and all of the mitigating factors fall in his favor...

The quoted sentences above, if used in the manner you suggest, would penalize 50% of the NFL. I think you might be taking it differently than it was intended... either that, or you fail to apply those same sentences to previous cases which have already been settled and for which we already know the outcome.

You do realize that Cedric Benson was arrested right?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It's not my intenet to take Goodell's statement and parse them to read another way, but the first and last sentence's ring true for every member of the NFL under this policy:

----------------------

“The personal conduct policy makes clear that I may impose discipline ‘even where the conduct does not result in conviction of a crime’ as, for example, where the conduct ‘imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person"

---------------------

The personal-conduct policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that ‘undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.

Both of those lines would hold responsible every player in the NFL for a host of Issues. None of which suggests Benson should be severely punished for being accused of DUI one years and then getting in a fist fight nearly 3 years later...

Vince Young hit a guy on the football field 2 years ago, unprovoked, at least not physically provoked... Then attacks a guy in a bar who also never touched him... no suspension.... 2 aggravated, and similar issues... aggressive violence

Benson fights only after being hit first and everyone is willing to crucify him here.... WOW... Haters...

3 unrelated issues with no aggravating factors, and all of the mitigating factors fall in his favor...

The quoted sentences above, if used in the manner you suggest, would penalize 50% of the NFL. I think you might be taking it differently than it was intended... either that, or you fail to apply those same sentences to previous cases which have already been settled and for which we already know the outcome.

You do realize that Cedric Benson was arrested right?

Yes I do, there was a warrant for his arrest and he turned himself in. But I'm not sure why you'd think that may be a deciding factor. If this is nothing more than a frivolous lawsuit that will be settled out of court, then nothing will come of the arrest.

Do you realize that someone you don't even know could go down to the magistrates office and file charges against you, and have a warrant taken out for your arrest whether you hit them or not? You could be completely innocent. I'm not saying Benson is indeed without fault, but I'm saying the warrant and arrest could be completely bogus. You could go down town right now and do that to anyone you want. Problem being, if you're lieing, you'll be held in contempt of court and you'll be the one who eventually is charged.. If it can be proven...

 

[DoubleG]

You do realize that Cedric Benson was arrested right?

Yes I do, there was a warrant for his arrest and he turned himself in. But I'm not sure why you'd think that may be a deciding factor. If this is nothing more than a frivolous lawsuit that will be settled out of court, then nothing will come of the arrest.

Do you realize that someone you don't even know could go down to the magistrates office and file charges against you, and have a warrant taken out for your arrest whether you hit them or not? You could be completely innocent. I'm not saying Benson is indeed without fault, but I'm saying the warrant and arrest could be completely bogus. You could go down town right now and do that to anyone you want. Problem being, if you're lieing, you'll be held in contempt of court and you'll be the one who eventually is charged.. If it can be proven...

The fact that this took a month to come up is curious at best.

**SPECULATION** Somebody got into a scuffle - Benson was present - perhaps even tried to (or actually did land a punch)...or not. Maybe he was trying to play peace-maker, or just being a little too cocky or arrogant. Afterwards - dude's thinking "Hey, that was Ced Benson... $$$$$$$" Seeks the council of friends/relatives...boom - charges.

Maybe the guy hopes the fact are just fuzzy enough for him to not get in trouble.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You do realize that Cedric Benson was arrested right?

Yes I do, there was a warrant for his arrest and he turned himself in. But I'm not sure why you'd think that may be a deciding factor. If this is nothing more than a frivolous lawsuit that will be settled out of court, then nothing will come of the arrest.

Do you realize that someone you don't even know could go down to the magistrates office and file charges against you, and have a warrant taken out for your arrest whether you hit them or not? You could be completely innocent. I'm not saying Benson is indeed without fault, but I'm saying the warrant and arrest could be completely bogus. You could go down town right now and do that to anyone you want. Problem being, if you're lieing, you'll be held in contempt of court and you'll be the one who eventually is charged.. If it can be proven...

The fact that this took a month to come up is curious at best.

**SPECULATION** Somebody got into a scuffle - Benson was present - perhaps even tried to (or actually did land a punch)...or not. Maybe he was trying to play peace-maker, or just being a little too cocky or arrogant. Afterwards - dude's thinking "Hey, that was Ced Benson... $$$$$$$" Seeks the council of friends/relatives...boom - charges.

Maybe the guy hopes the fact are just fuzzy enough for him to not get in trouble.

These situations usually end with the accuser dropping all charges and refusing to testify in court, then the charges will be dropped for lack of evidence.. And there is a settlement out of court..

But good point on the timeline. If this was a real issue, it wouldn't have taken a month for the guy to press charges. He's most likely looking to get paid. Besides, if you got in a scuffle in a club, and only got hit once, and there were no damages, would you press charges? Unless you had an opportunity to get paid right?

 

[massraider]

Vince Young hit a guy on the football field 2 years ago, unprovoked, at least not physically provoked... Then attacks a guy in a bar who also never touched him... no suspension.... 2 aggravated, and similar issues... aggressive violenceBenson fights only after being hit first and everyone is willing to crucify him here.... WOW... Haters...3 unrelated issues with no aggravating factors, and all of the mitigating factors fall in his favor...

The Vince Young example is terrible. There is zero precedent for on-field scuffles being held against a player when off-field stuff happen. Complete reach.

 

[finito]

Vince Young hit a guy on the football field 2 years ago, unprovoked, at least not physically provoked... Then attacks a guy in a bar who also never touched him... no suspension.... 2 aggravated, and similar issues... aggressive violenceBenson fights only after being hit first and everyone is willing to crucify him here.... WOW... Haters...3 unrelated issues with no aggravating factors, and all of the mitigating factors fall in his favor...

The Vince Young example is terrible. There is zero precedent for on-field scuffles being held against a player when off-field stuff happen. Complete reach.

I don't think it's a complete reach.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Vince Young hit a guy on the football field 2 years ago, unprovoked, at least not physically provoked... Then attacks a guy in a bar who also never touched him... no suspension.... 2 aggravated, and similar issues... aggressive violenceBenson fights only after being hit first and everyone is willing to crucify him here.... WOW... Haters...3 unrelated issues with no aggravating factors, and all of the mitigating factors fall in his favor...

The Vince Young example is terrible. There is zero precedent for on-field scuffles being held against a player when off-field stuff happen. Complete reach.

Whatever. There is documentation of Young attacking someone TWICE.. And there is documentation of Benson, not attacking someone, but getting into a scuffle in a bar, where he was hit first....There is a reoccurring history with Young of violence and only a single case with Benson, and not him attacking, but defending himself. If you can't see how that would suggest Benson has less of an issue then Young, then I really can't have this discussion with you. It's not about where it happened, or whether the police were involved, it's about a players penchant to have reoccurring issues. This is the first we know of with Benson assaults, but at least the second with Young... That's a reoccurring pattern of behavior.. That doesn't seem to be the case with Benson.. Therefore, I'd conclude, that Benson's punishment should be less severe.Guy pummeling someone for giving a horns down signal is worse then a guy defending himself after being attacked.. And I can't see how anyone else could see it any other way. Then tie in previous issues with violence.. case closed..

 

[massraider]

Vince Young hit a guy on the football field 2 years ago, unprovoked, at least not physically provoked... Then attacks a guy in a bar who also never touched him... no suspension.... 2 aggravated, and similar issues... aggressive violence

Benson fights only after being hit first and everyone is willing to crucify him here.... WOW... Haters...

3 unrelated issues with no aggravating factors, and all of the mitigating factors fall in his favor...

The Vince Young example is terrible. There is zero precedent for on-field scuffles being held against a player when off-field stuff happen. Complete reach.

Whatever. There is documentation of Young attacking someone TWICE.. And there is documentation of Benson, not attacking someone, but getting into a scuffle in a bar, where he was hit first....

There is a reoccurring history with Young of violence and only a single case with Benson, and not him attacking, but defending himself. If you can't see how that would suggest Benson has less of an issue then Young, then I really can't have this discussion with you. It's not about where it happened, or whether the police were involved, it's about a players penchant to have reoccurring issues. This is the first we know of with Benson assaults, but at least the second with Young... That's a reoccurring pattern of behavior.. That doesn't seem to be the case with Benson.. Therefore, I'd conclude, that Benson's punishment should be less severe.

Guy pummeling someone for giving a horns down signal is worse then a guy defending himself after being attacked.. And I can't see how anyone else could see it any other way. Then tie in previous issues with violence.. case closed..

Well, you can re-say the same thing a different way if you like, counselor, but the fact remains that no on-field violence (even if there's documentation) has even been mentioned as a precedent when a player is suspended. And until it happens, anything Young has done on the field is pretty much irrelevant. Until I hear a statement from someone reputable that an on-field incident is considered part of a pattern, I'm gonna agree that it's case closed, but not the way you mean.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Vince Young hit a guy on the football field 2 years ago, unprovoked, at least not physically provoked... Then attacks a guy in a bar who also never touched him... no suspension.... 2 aggravated, and similar issues... aggressive violence

Benson fights only after being hit first and everyone is willing to crucify him here.... WOW... Haters...

3 unrelated issues with no aggravating factors, and all of the mitigating factors fall in his favor...

The Vince Young example is terrible. There is zero precedent for on-field scuffles being held against a player when off-field stuff happen. Complete reach.

Whatever. There is documentation of Young attacking someone TWICE.. And there is documentation of Benson, not attacking someone, but getting into a scuffle in a bar, where he was hit first....

There is a reoccurring history with Young of violence and only a single case with Benson, and not him attacking, but defending himself. If you can't see how that would suggest Benson has less of an issue then Young, then I really can't have this discussion with you. It's not about where it happened, or whether the police were involved, it's about a players penchant to have reoccurring issues. This is the first we know of with Benson assaults, but at least the second with Young... That's a reoccurring pattern of behavior.. That doesn't seem to be the case with Benson.. Therefore, I'd conclude, that Benson's punishment should be less severe.

Guy pummeling someone for giving a horns down signal is worse then a guy defending himself after being attacked.. And I can't see how anyone else could see it any other way. Then tie in previous issues with violence.. case closed..

Well, you can re-say the same thing a different way if you like, counselor, but the fact remains that no on-field violence (even if there's documentation) has even been mentioned as a precedent when a player is suspended. And until it happens, anything Young has done on the field is pretty much irrelevant. Until I hear a statement from someone reputable that an on-field incident is considered part of a pattern, I'm gonna agree that it's case closed, but not the way you mean.

If I remember correctly, Steve Smith was suspended 2 games in '08' for hitting Ken Lucas during a practice... And even if that doesn't play into the equation there is still the fact that Young attacked a guy for a simple hand gesture, and Benson was defending himself, or at least was attacked first. Annnd, There are no assault priors for Benson, throwing out the pattern of behavior argument. There is no evidence to suggest that Benson has a penchant for committing violent acts. He reacted, 1 time to someone hitting him first. Young who doesn't look to be receiving suspension, initiated the assault on his own.

 

[massraider]

Vince Young hit a guy on the football field 2 years ago, unprovoked, at least not physically provoked... Then attacks a guy in a bar who also never touched him... no suspension.... 2 aggravated, and similar issues... aggressive violence

Benson fights only after being hit first and everyone is willing to crucify him here.... WOW... Haters...

3 unrelated issues with no aggravating factors, and all of the mitigating factors fall in his favor...

The Vince Young example is terrible. There is zero precedent for on-field scuffles being held against a player when off-field stuff happen. Complete reach.

Whatever. There is documentation of Young attacking someone TWICE.. And there is documentation of Benson, not attacking someone, but getting into a scuffle in a bar, where he was hit first....

There is a reoccurring history with Young of violence and only a single case with Benson, and not him attacking, but defending himself. If you can't see how that would suggest Benson has less of an issue then Young, then I really can't have this discussion with you. It's not about where it happened, or whether the police were involved, it's about a players penchant to have reoccurring issues. This is the first we know of with Benson assaults, but at least the second with Young... That's a reoccurring pattern of behavior.. That doesn't seem to be the case with Benson.. Therefore, I'd conclude, that Benson's punishment should be less severe.

Guy pummeling someone for giving a horns down signal is worse then a guy defending himself after being attacked.. And I can't see how anyone else could see it any other way. Then tie in previous issues with violence.. case closed..

Well, you can re-say the same thing a different way if you like, counselor, but the fact remains that no on-field violence (even if there's documentation) has even been mentioned as a precedent when a player is suspended. And until it happens, anything Young has done on the field is pretty much irrelevant. Until I hear a statement from someone reputable that an on-field incident is considered part of a pattern, I'm gonna agree that it's case closed, but not the way you mean.

If I remember correctly, Steve Smith was suspended 2 games in '08' for hitting Ken Lucas during a practice... And even if that doesn't play into the equation there is still the fact that Young attacked a guy for a simple hand gesture, and Benson was defending himself, or at least was attacked first. Annnd, There are no assault priors for Benson, throwing out the pattern of behavior argument. There is no evidence to suggest that Benson has a penchant for committing violent acts. He reacted, 1 time to someone hitting him first. Young who doesn't look to be receiving suspension, initiated the assault on his own.

Who cares? I wasn't saying that Benson was going to get suspended. I was just saying your above argument re: Vince's history was invalid.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

If I remember correctly, Steve Smith was suspended 2 games in '08' for hitting Ken Lucas during a practice... And even if that doesn't play into the equation there is still the fact that Young attacked a guy for a simple hand gesture, and Benson was defending himself, or at least was attacked first. Annnd, There are no assault priors for Benson, throwing out the pattern of behavior argument. There is no evidence to suggest that Benson has a penchant for committing violent acts. He reacted, 1 time to someone hitting him first. Young who doesn't look to be receiving suspension, initiated the assault on his own.

Who cares? I wasn't saying that Benson was going to get suspended. I was just saying your above argument re: Vince's history was invalid.

Based on what? ^ Steve Smith was suspended for on field assault.. And if you're not participating in the basis for the conversation then maybe you're trolling? Silly that I should ask that question since I've seen enough of your posts to know the answer..

 

[massraider]

If I remember correctly, Steve Smith was suspended 2 games in '08' for hitting Ken Lucas during a practice... And even if that doesn't play into the equation there is still the fact that Young attacked a guy for a simple hand gesture, and Benson was defending himself, or at least was attacked first. Annnd, There are no assault priors for Benson, throwing out the pattern of behavior argument. There is no evidence to suggest that Benson has a penchant for committing violent acts. He reacted, 1 time to someone hitting him first. Young who doesn't look to be receiving suspension, initiated the assault on his own.

Who cares? I wasn't saying that Benson was going to get suspended. I was just saying your above argument re: Vince's history was invalid.

Based on what? ^ Steve Smith was suspended for on field assault.. And if you're not participating in the basis for the conversation then maybe you're trolling? Silly that I should ask that question since I've seen enough of your posts to know the answer..

Nah, not trolling, just pointing out faulty logic. I didn't mean to let truth and precedence get in the way of your pontificating.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

If I remember correctly, Steve Smith was suspended 2 games in '08' for hitting Ken Lucas during a practice... And even if that doesn't play into the equation there is still the fact that Young attacked a guy for a simple hand gesture, and Benson was defending himself, or at least was attacked first. Annnd, There are no assault priors for Benson, throwing out the pattern of behavior argument. There is no evidence to suggest that Benson has a penchant for committing violent acts. He reacted, 1 time to someone hitting him first. Young who doesn't look to be receiving suspension, initiated the assault on his own.

Who cares? I wasn't saying that Benson was going to get suspended. I was just saying your above argument re: Vince's history was invalid.

Based on what? ^ Steve Smith was suspended for on field assault.. And if you're not participating in the basis for the conversation then maybe you're trolling? Silly that I should ask that question since I've seen enough of your posts to know the answer..

Nah, not trolling, just pointing out faulty logic. I didn't mean to let truth and precedence get in the way of your pontificating.

You suggest that on field assaults are not taken into consideration when players are suspended, yet I show you a player suspended for an on field assault and you ignore it... Why continue to post?

 

[massraider]

If I remember correctly, Steve Smith was suspended 2 games in '08' for hitting Ken Lucas during a practice... And even if that doesn't play into the equation there is still the fact that Young attacked a guy for a simple hand gesture, and Benson was defending himself, or at least was attacked first. Annnd, There are no assault priors for Benson, throwing out the pattern of behavior argument. There is no evidence to suggest that Benson has a penchant for committing violent acts. He reacted, 1 time to someone hitting him first. Young who doesn't look to be receiving suspension, initiated the assault on his own.

Who cares? I wasn't saying that Benson was going to get suspended. I was just saying your above argument re: Vince's history was invalid.

Based on what? ^ Steve Smith was suspended for on field assault.. And if you're not participating in the basis for the conversation then maybe you're trolling? Silly that I should ask that question since I've seen enough of your posts to know the answer..

Nah, not trolling, just pointing out faulty logic. I didn't mean to let truth and precedence get in the way of your pontificating.

You suggest that on field assaults are not taken into consideration when players are suspended, yet I show you a player suspended for an on field assault and you ignore it... Why continue to post?

Because the comparison doesn't hold up. If he wasn't suspended when the fight occurred, like Smitty, it doesn't seem to apply here. Tell you what, tho, if the commish suspends VY, and mention the on-field thing, I will come in here and declare you correct. Hold your breath!

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Because the comparison doesn't hold up. If he wasn't suspended when the fight occurred, like Smitty, it doesn't seem to apply here. Tell you what, tho, if the commish suspends VY, and mention the on-field thing, I will come in here and declare you correct. Hold your breath!

Best part of that post was where you were explaining how you intend to get involved in the topic instead of looking for some narrow ledge to stand on... Show me where there is a precedent for a player receiving a particular punishment after having attacked someone for sporting a horns down symbol.. Should we delve into the colors they were wearing and what time of day it is as well... maybe what they had eaten that week.... along with there location...And we could argue over the shade of blue in the sky...Simple question for you sport, Will Benson be suspended? I mean we could use that as a side convo to the main topic here... Maybe you won't answer because that assures you will either be right or wrong on something... Why chance being wrong though right? Much easier to formulated arguments for why other people are wrong.. and sometimes you can't even be right in that lol

 

[massraider]

Because the comparison doesn't hold up. If he wasn't suspended when the fight occurred, like Smitty, it doesn't seem to apply here. Tell you what, tho, if the commish suspends VY, and mention the on-field thing, I will come in here and declare you correct. Hold your breath!

Best part of that post was where you were explaining how you intend to get involved in the topic instead of looking for some narrow ledge to stand on... Show me where there is a precedent for a player receiving a particular punishment after having attacked someone for sporting a horns down symbol.. Should we delve into the colors they were wearing and what time of day it is as well... maybe what they had eaten that week.... along with there location...And we could argue over the shade of blue in the sky...Simple question for you sport, Will Benson be suspended? I mean we could use that as a side convo to the main topic here... Maybe you won't answer because that assures you will either be right or wrong on something... Why chance being wrong though right? Much easier to formulated arguments for why other people are wrong.. and sometimes you can't even be right in that lol

Whether I think Benson will be suspended or not is irrelevant, because I wasn't making any proclamations about that. I was just saying your argument lacked precedence. You can 'sport' and 'lol' all you like, doesn't make your argument any better. But I've hijacked enough, you can declare victory here if you like.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Because the comparison doesn't hold up. If he wasn't suspended when the fight occurred, like Smitty, it doesn't seem to apply here. Tell you what, tho, if the commish suspends VY, and mention the on-field thing, I will come in here and declare you correct. Hold your breath!

Best part of that post was where you were explaining how you intend to get involved in the topic instead of looking for some narrow ledge to stand on... Show me where there is a precedent for a player receiving a particular punishment after having attacked someone for sporting a horns down symbol.. Should we delve into the colors they were wearing and what time of day it is as well... maybe what they had eaten that week.... along with there location...

And we could argue over the shade of blue in the sky...

Simple question for you sport, Will Benson be suspended? I mean we could use that as a side convo to the main topic here...

Maybe you won't answer because that assures you will either be right or wrong on something... Why chance being wrong though right? Much easier to formulated arguments for why other people are wrong.. and sometimes you can't even be right in that lol

Whether I think Benson will be suspended or not is irrelevant, because I wasn't making any proclamations about that. I was just saying your argument lacked precedence. You can 'sport' and 'lol' all you like, doesn't make your argument any better. But I've hijacked enough, you can declare victory here if you like.

YAY!!

 

[TitansFan10]

Because the comparison doesn't hold up. If he wasn't suspended when the fight occurred, like Smitty, it doesn't seem to apply here. Tell you what, tho, if the commish suspends VY, and mention the on-field thing, I will come in here and declare you correct. Hold your breath!

Best part of that post was where you were explaining how you intend to get involved in the topic instead of looking for some narrow ledge to stand on... Show me where there is a precedent for a player receiving a particular punishment after having attacked someone for sporting a horns down symbol.. Should we delve into the colors they were wearing and what time of day it is as well... maybe what they had eaten that week.... along with there location...

And we could argue over the shade of blue in the sky...

Simple question for you sport, Will Benson be suspended? I mean we could use that as a side convo to the main topic here...

Maybe you won't answer because that assures you will either be right or wrong on something... Why chance being wrong though right? Much easier to formulated arguments for why other people are wrong.. and sometimes you can't even be right in that lol

Whether I think Benson will be suspended or not is irrelevant, because I wasn't making any proclamations about that. I was just saying your argument lacked precedence. You can 'sport' and 'lol' all you like, doesn't make your argument any better. But I've hijacked enough, you can declare victory here if you like.

YAY!!

Tool factor in here is real strong.

 

[Bojang0301]

So what I'm gathering from all this is: ESPN has way to much sway on Robert Goodell's decision and Big Ben was clearly used as a scapegoat for the implied racism the NFL would be accused of if he wasn't suspended. Apparently, when there is clear cut proof an assault happens no suspensions will occur for players that arn't marquee.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So what I'm gathering from all this is: ESPN has way to much sway on Robert Goodell's decision and Big Ben was clearly used as a scapegoat for the implied racism the NFL would be accused of if he wasn't suspended. Apparently, when there is clear cut proof an assault happens no suspensions will occur for players that arn't marquee.

So your stance is that Ben is innocent of any wrong doing? lolThe guy is a complete toolbag and I wouldn't want any young women in my family around him...I understand what he does for your team, and it's a shame for Steelers fans.. But even a Steelers fan should be able to admit, despite his abilities on a football field, he's a scumbag off the field...

 

[Tackling Dummies]

The interesting side note is that Benson is/was in some stage of a contract extension and kept his 2:00 am bar fight to himself.

The Personal Conduct Policy contains clear language regarding the obligations of a player who potentially commits a violation: "The League must be advised promptly of any incident that may be a violation of this policy, and particularly when any conduct results in an arrest or other criminal charge. Players and club employees must report any such incident to the club, which must then report it to NFL Security at (800) NFL-XXXX. Failure to report an incident will constitute conduct detrimental and will be taken into consideration in making disciplinary determination under this policy. Clubs are also required to report incidents that come to their attention."

 

[treat88]

All I ask out of Goodell is consistent application of the standard his personal precedent has set.

The personal-conduct policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that ‘undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.

Since innocence or guilt is not the sole standard players are held to, but rather the public perceptions generated by their actions, every incident that generates scrutiny should merit similar discipline.His case by case handling of player discipline comes across as a lack of impartiality and that is simply reinforced by disparate penalties for similar behaviors.Personally, I hope the new CBA clearly spells out a policy to which there is no ambiguity and limits the commish's role in imposing his personal whim.

 

[Bojang0301]

So what I'm gathering from all this is: ESPN has way to much sway on Robert Goodell's decision and Big Ben was clearly used as a scapegoat for the implied racism the NFL would be accused of if he wasn't suspended. Apparently, when there is clear cut proof an assault happens no suspensions will occur for players that arn't marquee.

So your stance is that Ben is innocent of any wrong doing? lolThe guy is a complete toolbag and I wouldn't want any young women in my family around him...I understand what he does for your team, and it's a shame for Steelers fans.. But even a Steelers fan should be able to admit, despite his abilities on a football field, he's a scumbag off the field...

So because a guy is a tool he should be suspended for 6 games while others whose crimes are documented on film or possibly have eye witnesses should get a slap on the wrist. Goodell better have great balance in his determination of punishments because the self inflicted tight rope he is walking is getting very thin from both the players and fans perspective.I have also been on record for a long time before this as stating that I believe Ben is not a classy guy off the field. Way before the bathroom incident, way before Vegas... not really before the motorcycle though I know guys who have went to high school with him, I had heard stories out of Findley and his reputation was well documented before his public ##### baggery. I also still understand what he means to the team at this point in time.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The interesting side note is that Benson is/was in some stage of a contract extension and kept his 2:00 am bar fight to himself.

The Personal Conduct Policy contains clear language regarding the obligations of a player who potentially commits a violation: "The League must be advised promptly of any incident that may be a violation of this policy, and particularly when any conduct results in an arrest or other criminal charge. Players and club employees must report any such incident to the club, which must then report it to NFL Security at (800) NFL-XXXX. Failure to report an incident will constitute conduct detrimental and will be taken into consideration in making disciplinary determination under this policy. Clubs are also required to report incidents that come to their attention."

And from what I understand, once he understood there was a warrant, and that he was to be arrested, he immediately turned himself in and informed the team/league the next day...Are you saying that before he knew there were charges, that he should have informed the team/league that he had been assaulted and defended himself? If so, I think you're kinda arguing a gray area there.

And if someone would please, if indeed he was defending himself, how and why should that be considered "detrimental to the league"?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So what I'm gathering from all this is: ESPN has way to much sway on Robert Goodell's decision and Big Ben was clearly used as a scapegoat for the implied racism the NFL would be accused of if he wasn't suspended. Apparently, when there is clear cut proof an assault happens no suspensions will occur for players that arn't marquee.

So your stance is that Ben is innocent of any wrong doing? lolThe guy is a complete toolbag and I wouldn't want any young women in my family around him...I understand what he does for your team, and it's a shame for Steelers fans.. But even a Steelers fan should be able to admit, despite his abilities on a football field, he's a scumbag off the field...

So because a guy is a tool he should be suspended for 6 games while others whose crimes are documented on film or possibly have eye witnesses should get a slap on the wrist. Goodell better have great balance in his determination of punishments because the self inflicted tight rope he is walking is getting very thin from both the players and fans perspective.I have also been on record for a long time before this as stating that I believe Ben is not a classy guy off the field. Way before the bathroom incident, way before Vegas... not really before the motorcycle though I know guys who have went to high school with him, I had heard stories out of Findley and his reputation was well documented before his public ##### baggery. I also still understand what he means to the team at this point in time.

Getting a young girl drunk and then sexually assaulting, or maybe even raping.. then leaving lay on a bathroom floor so you can go back to acting like a tool in the vip room is without question worse than a simple assault.... I don't know anyone that would disagree..And he already got away with a similar incident without suspension. I think we can all admit, with his track record, it was time for some league action.And I think you probably know it won't be more than 4 games

 

[fatness]

Apparently, when there is clear cut proof an assault happens no suspensions will occur for players that arn't marquee.

It doesn't seem so clear cut yet that Benson was involved in an assault.

 

[treat88]

Apparently, when there is clear cut proof an assault happens no suspensions will occur for players that arn't marquee.

It doesn't seem so clear cut yet that Benson was involved in an assault.

Does this really matter? It is the negative spotlight Benson's simple involvement in the incident shines on the NFL that matters as has been quoted above.His actual guilt or innocence, nor the facts of the case, apparently have any bearing on the consequences. The negative PR itself is enough to merit discipline.I think that is a complete load of BS myself, but that is exactly what Goodell's comments in prior cases leave us with.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Apparently, when there is clear cut proof an assault happens no suspensions will occur for players that arn't marquee.

It doesn't seem so clear cut yet that Benson was involved in an assault.

Does this really matter? It is the negative spotlight Benson's simple involvement in the incident shines on the NFL that matters as has been quoted above.His actual guilt or innocence, nor the facts of the case, apparently have any bearing on the consequences. The negative PR itself is enough to merit discipline.I think that is a complete load of BS myself, but that is exactly what Goodell's comments in prior cases leave us with.

I'm sorry, but if you're speaking of the BenRoth situation, it doesn't matter if he was convicted or not. We all know how that charade goes down. Everyone knows he needed suspension and there had been a prior.. This isn't the legal system where "you know I did it, I plead the fifth, you can't prove it, so ha, I get off" This is a breath of fresh air.. True accountability..In Bensons case, it wasn't him being a constant D-Bag and repeatedly getting himself in trouble for it. It was 1 unrelated issue, that he truly, may not be at fault for..

 

[treat88]

Apparently, when there is clear cut proof an assault happens no suspensions will occur for players that arn't marquee.

It doesn't seem so clear cut yet that Benson was involved in an assault.

Does this really matter? It is the negative spotlight Benson's simple involvement in the incident shines on the NFL that matters as has been quoted above.His actual guilt or innocence, nor the facts of the case, apparently have any bearing on the consequences. The negative PR itself is enough to merit discipline.I think that is a complete load of BS myself, but that is exactly what Goodell's comments in prior cases leave us with.

I'm sorry, but if you're speaking of the BenRoth situation, it doesn't matter if he was convicted or not. We all know how that charade goes down. Everyone knows he needed suspension and there had been a prior.. This isn't the legal system where "you know I did it, I plead the fifth, you can't prove it, so ha, I get off" This is a breath of fresh air.. True accountability..In Bensons case, it wasn't him being a constant D-Bag and repeatedly getting himself in trouble for it. It was 1 unrelated issue, that he truly, may not be at fault for..

You seem a little obsessed with Roethlisberger.But what what you said, is essentially what I said. Regardless of legal standing, regardless of the facts in the matter, regardless of fault.... the simple fact a player generates negative PR for the league is a suspendable offense.I disagree with that stance 100%, but it is the precedent Goodell has set. I don't think the commish should have the latitude to suspend a player who is not found guilty of an accusation, whether their name is Eric Foster, Ben Roethlisberger, Donte Stallworth, nor Cedric Benson.They should all be held to the same standard and it should be clearly defined.To answer the question at hand, I don't believe Benson should be suspended until he is found guilty of what he is accused of as determined by the legal system.However, given the current environment Goodell has created I believe he has to be suspended as a prior conduct policy offender that has again attached the name of the NFL to a negative PR story.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Getting a young girl drunk and then sexually assaulting, or maybe even raping.. then leaving lay on a bathroom floor so you can go back to acting like a tool in the vip room is without question worse than a simple assault.... I don't know anyone that would disagree..

And you know this how? You're convicting based on your own belief. Did you watch the videos that were released or not? There was a reason, beyond the alleged victim's desire not to move forward, that this wasn't prosecuted. There isn't good evidence that anything other than two drunk people made bad decisions. Can you hold Ben culpable for endangering the young, underage woman by plying her with drinks? Yes. But to personally indict him for sexual assault and 'maybe rape' goes far beyond what the evidence suggests and well beyond what the law states. Like it or not, Goodell has applied his powers inconsistently. He has stone cold proof WITH arrests and priors with both Young and Benson. Young got a slap on the wrist. Benson is yet to be determined. Ben was an unprecedented ######## with not one single criminal charge having been filed against him...and he gets six games. FTR, the only problem I've ever had with Ben's suspension was the 'pandora's box' of problems that Goodell opened when he set it down. I said back then that he was creating for himself a difficult precedent to follow. It seems his chickens are coming home to roost.

 

[TitansFan10]

Getting a young girl drunk and then sexually assaulting, or maybe even raping.. then leaving lay on a bathroom floor so you can go back to acting like a tool in the vip room is without question worse than a simple assault.... I don't know anyone that would disagree..

And you know this how? You're convicting based on your own belief. Did you watch the videos that were released or not? There was a reason, beyond the alleged victim's desire not to move forward, that this wasn't prosecuted. There isn't good evidence that anything other than two drunk people made bad decisions. Can you hold Ben culpable for endangering the young, underage woman by plying her with drinks? Yes. But to personally indict him for sexual assault and 'maybe rape' goes far beyond what the evidence suggests and well beyond what the law states. Like it or not, Goodell has applied his powers inconsistently. He has stone cold proof WITH arrests and priors with both Young and Benson. Young got a slap on the wrist. Benson is yet to be determined. Ben was an unprecedented ######## with not one single criminal charge having been filed against him...and he gets six games. FTR, the only problem I've ever had with Ben's suspension was the 'pandora's box' of problems that Goodell opened when he set it down. I said back then that he was creating for himself a difficult precedent to follow. It seems his chickens are coming home to roost.

This Cedric Benson lover/apologist guy doesn't seem to get that he was already involved in 2 big violations involving drinking, and now got arrested after a bar fight. Goodell doesn't care one bit if you REALLY did it or if you TRULY are to blame. He will flat out suspend you for making the NFL look bad regardless of the innocence or guilt.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Getting a young girl drunk and then sexually assaulting, or maybe even raping.. then leaving lay on a bathroom floor so you can go back to acting like a tool in the vip room is without question worse than a simple assault.... I don't know anyone that would disagree..

And you know this how? You're convicting based on your own belief. Did you watch the videos that were released or not? There was a reason, beyond the alleged victim's desire not to move forward, that this wasn't prosecuted. There isn't good evidence that anything other than two drunk people made bad decisions. Can you hold Ben culpable for endangering the young, underage woman by plying her with drinks? Yes. But to personally indict him for sexual assault and 'maybe rape' goes far beyond what the evidence suggests and well beyond what the law states. Like it or not, Goodell has applied his powers inconsistently. He has stone cold proof WITH arrests and priors with both Young and Benson. Young got a slap on the wrist. Benson is yet to be determined. Ben was an unprecedented ######## with not one single criminal charge having been filed against him...and he gets six games. FTR, the only problem I've ever had with Ben's suspension was the 'pandora's box' of problems that Goodell opened when he set it down. I said back then that he was creating for himself a difficult precedent to follow. It seems his chickens are coming home to roost.

See, this is what I'm talking about. Everyone knows that the criminal/justice system doesn't work correctly. And Everyone knows that Ben is a scum-bag who preys on young women after getting them drunk. If it was your sister, daughter, cousin.. or any other family member that he treated this way, you'd have a serious problem with the man. Don't be blinded by your team affiliation and don't hide behind technical law.. The guy deserved to be suspended. It was and has been an ongoing issue with him, that wasn't a first offense (second public accusation) and there have been many reports and witness accounts of the d-bag acting this way since back in his highschool days up to just a few months ago. What motivation does he have to stop if he can get out of any legal entanglement with money? That's where the league stepped in, and I applaud Goodall for it.Benson on the other hand doesn't have a long history of assaulting people in night clubs, so at this point, this is a stand alone incident. He should get a warning. Young, could have deserved a stiffer penalty maybe, but really, it's not like he's really a threat to continue on that path. He does have prior incident but he is receiving a penalty of sorts and certainly a warning which if he doesn't heed, will certainly be followed by stiffer punishment.I see people trying to draw parallels between players, there issues, and the penalties, when you couldn't possibly teat the situations equally.Line all those guys up, Ben is obviously the grimiest of the bunch and with a longer and more constant history of related behavior. He certainly could use a wake up call. And it's obvious Goodall is just the man to give it to him. Nice to see when the offended falls victim to the greed for money, and the justice system fails, that there is still some power out there that will stand up against this behavior.

 

[TitansFan10]

Getting a young girl drunk and then sexually assaulting, or maybe even raping.. then leaving lay on a bathroom floor so you can go back to acting like a tool in the vip room is without question worse than a simple assault.... I don't know anyone that would disagree..

And you know this how? You're convicting based on your own belief. Did you watch the videos that were released or not? There was a reason, beyond the alleged victim's desire not to move forward, that this wasn't prosecuted. There isn't good evidence that anything other than two drunk people made bad decisions. Can you hold Ben culpable for endangering the young, underage woman by plying her with drinks? Yes. But to personally indict him for sexual assault and 'maybe rape' goes far beyond what the evidence suggests and well beyond what the law states. Like it or not, Goodell has applied his powers inconsistently. He has stone cold proof WITH arrests and priors with both Young and Benson. Young got a slap on the wrist. Benson is yet to be determined. Ben was an unprecedented ######## with not one single criminal charge having been filed against him...and he gets six games. FTR, the only problem I've ever had with Ben's suspension was the 'pandora's box' of problems that Goodell opened when he set it down. I said back then that he was creating for himself a difficult precedent to follow. It seems his chickens are coming home to roost.

See, this is what I'm talking about. Everyone knows that the criminal/justice system doesn't work correctly. And Everyone knows that Ben is a scum-bag who preys on young women after getting them drunk. If it was your sister, daughter, cousin.. or any other family member that he treated this way, you'd have a serious problem with the man. Don't be blinded by your team affiliation and don't hide behind technical law.. The guy deserved to be suspended. It was and has been an ongoing issue with him, that wasn't a first offense (second public accusation) and there have been many reports and witness accounts of the d-bag acting this way since back in his highschool days up to just a few months ago. What motivation does he have to stop if he can get out of any legal entanglement with money? That's where the league stepped in, and I applaud Goodall for it.Benson on the other hand doesn't have a long history of assaulting people in night clubs, so at this point, this is a stand alone incident. He should get a warning. Young, could have deserved a stiffer penalty maybe, but really, it's not like he's really a threat to continue on that path. He does have prior incident but he is receiving a penalty of sorts and certainly a warning which if he doesn't heed, will certainly be followed by stiffer punishment.I see people trying to draw parallels between players, there issues, and the penalties, when you couldn't possibly teat the situations equally.Line all those guys up, Ben is obviously the grimiest of the bunch and with a longer and more constant history of related behavior. He certainly could use a wake up call. And it's obvious Goodall is just the man to give it to him. Nice to see when the offended falls victim to the greed for money, and the justice system fails, that there is still some power out there that will stand up against this behavior.

You are ridiculous. In fact I think you may be Cedric Benson posting on here under an alias.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Getting a young girl drunk and then sexually assaulting, or maybe even raping.. then leaving lay on a bathroom floor so you can go back to acting like a tool in the vip room is without question worse than a simple assault.... I don't know anyone that would disagree..

And you know this how? You're convicting based on your own belief. Did you watch the videos that were released or not? There was a reason, beyond the alleged victim's desire not to move forward, that this wasn't prosecuted. There isn't good evidence that anything other than two drunk people made bad decisions. Can you hold Ben culpable for endangering the young, underage woman by plying her with drinks? Yes. But to personally indict him for sexual assault and 'maybe rape' goes far beyond what the evidence suggests and well beyond what the law states. Like it or not, Goodell has applied his powers inconsistently. He has stone cold proof WITH arrests and priors with both Young and Benson. Young got a slap on the wrist. Benson is yet to be determined. Ben was an unprecedented ######## with not one single criminal charge having been filed against him...and he gets six games. FTR, the only problem I've ever had with Ben's suspension was the 'pandora's box' of problems that Goodell opened when he set it down. I said back then that he was creating for himself a difficult precedent to follow. It seems his chickens are coming home to roost.

This Cedric Benson lover/apologist guy doesn't seem to get that he was already involved in 2 big violations involving drinking, and now got arrested after a bar fight. Goodell doesn't care one bit if you REALLY did it or if you TRULY are to blame. He will flat out suspend you for making the NFL look bad regardless of the innocence or guilt.

Unrelated offenses... completely..And I'm not a Benson Apologist, I can just see clearer them a majority of the herd here evidently, that if a guy is defending himself in a bar fight, he doesn't have many other choices besides stand there and get his rear end kicked... Who would do that? And on the other hand, there are guys who are premeditated and habitual offenders, and guys who have video footage against them who certainly have less ground to stand in when defending their action.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Getting a young girl drunk and then sexually assaulting, or maybe even raping.. then leaving lay on a bathroom floor so you can go back to acting like a tool in the vip room is without question worse than a simple assault.... I don't know anyone that would disagree..

And you know this how? You're convicting based on your own belief. Did you watch the videos that were released or not? There was a reason, beyond the alleged victim's desire not to move forward, that this wasn't prosecuted. There isn't good evidence that anything other than two drunk people made bad decisions. Can you hold Ben culpable for endangering the young, underage woman by plying her with drinks? Yes. But to personally indict him for sexual assault and 'maybe rape' goes far beyond what the evidence suggests and well beyond what the law states. Like it or not, Goodell has applied his powers inconsistently. He has stone cold proof WITH arrests and priors with both Young and Benson. Young got a slap on the wrist. Benson is yet to be determined. Ben was an unprecedented ######## with not one single criminal charge having been filed against him...and he gets six games. FTR, the only problem I've ever had with Ben's suspension was the 'pandora's box' of problems that Goodell opened when he set it down. I said back then that he was creating for himself a difficult precedent to follow. It seems his chickens are coming home to roost.

See, this is what I'm talking about. Everyone knows that the criminal/justice system doesn't work correctly. And Everyone knows that Ben is a scum-bag who preys on young women after getting them drunk. If it was your sister, daughter, cousin.. or any other family member that he treated this way, you'd have a serious problem with the man. Don't be blinded by your team affiliation and don't hide behind technical law.. The guy deserved to be suspended. It was and has been an ongoing issue with him, that wasn't a first offense (second public accusation) and there have been many reports and witness accounts of the d-bag acting this way since back in his highschool days up to just a few months ago. What motivation does he have to stop if he can get out of any legal entanglement with money? That's where the league stepped in, and I applaud Goodall for it.Benson on the other hand doesn't have a long history of assaulting people in night clubs, so at this point, this is a stand alone incident. He should get a warning. Young, could have deserved a stiffer penalty maybe, but really, it's not like he's really a threat to continue on that path. He does have prior incident but he is receiving a penalty of sorts and certainly a warning which if he doesn't heed, will certainly be followed by stiffer punishment.I see people trying to draw parallels between players, there issues, and the penalties, when you couldn't possibly teat the situations equally.Line all those guys up, Ben is obviously the grimiest of the bunch and with a longer and more constant history of related behavior. He certainly could use a wake up call. And it's obvious Goodall is just the man to give it to him. Nice to see when the offended falls victim to the greed for money, and the justice system fails, that there is still some power out there that will stand up against this behavior.

You are ridiculous. In fact I think you may be Cedric Benson posting on here under an alias.

And you offer no insight to the conversation other then spouting your opinion with no justifiable argument behind it

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Apparently, when there is clear cut proof an assault happens no suspensions will occur for players that arn't marquee.

It doesn't seem so clear cut yet that Benson was involved in an assault.

Does this really matter? It is the negative spotlight Benson's simple involvement in the incident shines on the NFL that matters as has been quoted above.His actual guilt or innocence, nor the facts of the case, apparently have any bearing on the consequences. The negative PR itself is enough to merit discipline.I think that is a complete load of BS myself, but that is exactly what Goodell's comments in prior cases leave us with.

I'm sorry, but if you're speaking of the BenRoth situation, it doesn't matter if he was convicted or not. We all know how that charade goes down. Everyone knows he needed suspension and there had been a prior.. This isn't the legal system where "you know I did it, I plead the fifth, you can't prove it, so ha, I get off" This is a breath of fresh air.. True accountability..In Bensons case, it wasn't him being a constant D-Bag and repeatedly getting himself in trouble for it. It was 1 unrelated issue, that he truly, may not be at fault for..

You seem a little obsessed with Roethlisberger.But what what you said, is essentially what I said. Regardless of legal standing, regardless of the facts in the matter, regardless of fault.... the simple fact a player generates negative PR for the league is a suspendable offense.I disagree with that stance 100%, but it is the precedent Goodell has set. I don't think the commish should have the latitude to suspend a player who is not found guilty of an accusation, whether their name is Eric Foster, Ben Roethlisberger, Donte Stallworth, nor Cedric Benson.They should all be held to the same standard and it should be clearly defined.To answer the question at hand, I don't believe Benson should be suspended until he is found guilty of what he is accused of as determined by the legal system.However, given the current environment Goodell has created I believe he has to be suspended as a prior conduct policy offender that has again attached the name of the NFL to a negative PR story.

2 men who comit the very same crime can come to that conclusion threw a completely different set of circumstances. That is why judges and juries always have the latitude to adjust the punishment based on the mitigating circumstances. This situation is no different.And in this situation the crimes vary dramatically... There is no reasonable way to chart a list of rules and penalties that would cover the gambit of every possible offense, the grades of the offenses, and all the mitigating factors. So what you are hoping for will likely never happen. As screwed up as our justice system is, at least they still know that for each crime there are an untold number of circumstances, that can not be classified under 1 fixed penalty. They have a gradient that will be judged based on circumstances.

 

[TitansFan10]

Ok Cedric, I have to tell you... Only fantasy geeks read this stuff. Your case isn't being read by Goodell.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Ok Cedric, I have to tell you... Only fantasy geeks read this stuff. Your case isn't being read by Goodell.

Is that the best retort you could come up with? And not even your own witty comment. Just regurgitating a tired old line that has lost its punch years ago... Like an over used "Your Moma" joke...sad...

 

[TitansFan10]

Ok Cedric, I have to tell you... Only fantasy geeks read this stuff. Your case isn't being read by Goodell.

Is that the best retort you could come up with? And not even your own witty comment. Just regurgitating a tired old line that has lost its punch years ago... Like an over used "Your Moma" joke...sad...

I've got to go to bed now Ced. You can go ahead and post after this one and get the last word. I'll be sleeping, then at the lake for a long weekend. Drinking on my boat. (wink wink) I hope you think twice before going to random bars and snapping pics of hot chicks in front of their boyfriends. Hope you have a good year. Bye now.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Ok Cedric, I have to tell you... Only fantasy geeks read this stuff. Your case isn't being read by Goodell.

Is that the best retort you could come up with? And not even your own witty comment. Just regurgitating a tired old line that has lost its punch years ago... Like an over used "Your Moma" joke...sad...

I've got to go to bed now Ced. You can go ahead and post after this one and get the last word. I'll be sleeping, then at the lake for a long weekend. Drinking on my boat. (wink wink) I hope you think twice before going to random bars and snapping pics of hot chicks in front of their boyfriends. Hope you have a good year. Bye now.

 

[Bojang0301]

CH,

I fail to see how you can suggest that VY and Benson both get off with warnings. Did Pac Man Jones, Tank Johnson or Michael Vick get off with warnings. It goes far beyond Big Ben.... but what Goodell did with Big Ben was to not just imply but tell the league that if you are involved in bad publicity you will be suspended. Despite whatever your personal opinion on Big Ben is (and yes you implying rape and assault is an opinion and not fact) that is the precedent set. I do not have a problem with your opinion on Big Ben, he put himself in that position and he is paying the price for it. I fail to remember anyone tossing him or the Steelers sympathy over the suspension nor do I expect any. What I do expect is for Goodell to treat other players in the same respect and not just because ESPN comes crying over a player.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

The interesting side note is that Benson is/was in some stage of a contract extension and kept his 2:00 am bar fight to himself.

The Personal Conduct Policy contains clear language regarding the obligations of a player who potentially commits a violation: "The League must be advised promptly of any incident that may be a violation of this policy, and particularly when any conduct results in an arrest or other criminal charge. Players and club employees must report any such incident to the club, which must then report it to NFL Security at (800) NFL-XXXX. Failure to report an incident will constitute conduct detrimental and will be taken into consideration in making disciplinary determination under this policy. Clubs are also required to report incidents that come to their attention."

And from what I understand, once he understood there was a warrant, and that he was to be arrested, he immediately turned himself in and informed the team/league the next day...Are you saying that before he knew there were charges, that he should have informed the team/league that he had been assaulted and defended himself? If so, I think you're kinda arguing a gray area there.

And if someone would please, if indeed he was defending himself, how and why should that be considered "detrimental to the league"?

If I was advising Benson, I sure as shoot would impose my will to ensure that the information about the bar fight was brought to the Bengals attention, in light of the first sentence "...incident that may be a violation of this policy". Better safe than sorry is the best policy here, especially with previous personal conduct issues. Let his employer know and then wait for it to be resolved with the league offices and the local judicial system. I am not arguing a gray area, it's not me that your disagreement is with. Clear the air with the team officials, period, right or wrong, but tell them.

 

[comet909]

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[DoubleG]

CH,

I fail to see how you can suggest that VY and Benson both get off with warnings. Did Pac Man Jones, Tank Johnson or Michael Vick get off with warnings. It goes far beyond Big Ben.... but what Goodell did with Big Ben was to not just imply but tell the league that if you are involved in bad publicity you will be suspended. Despite whatever your personal opinion on Big Ben is (and yes you implying rape and assault is an opinion and not fact) that is the precedent set. I do not have a problem with your opinion on Big Ben, he put himself in that position and he is paying the price for it. I fail to remember anyone tossing him or the Steelers sympathy over the suspension nor do I expect any. What I do expect is for Goodell to treat other players in the same respect and not just because ESPN comes crying over a player.

Hold the CH crucifixion for a second. First off, go back and read post 46 - it will explain the bolded. There has already been a precedent set by the league in minor assault cases (again, read post 46 for examples).Comparing this case to Ben or Vick is ludicrous from a discipline standpoint. Both Ben and Vick were charged with (or going to be charged with) felonies. Benson is going to be charged with (assuming the accuser continues to press the issue) a misdemeanor. Not all bad PR is equal. A misdemenaor vs. a felony is a big difference - legally and in the eyes of the public. What Ben was alleged to have done and what Vick was proven to have done are far worse than what Benson was alleged to have done, both legally and by most people's views, ethically.

IMHO, anyone touting a multi-game suspension for Benson given what we know at this point is either ignoring the facts of the situation or hoping to drive Benson's value down to trade for him.

 

[Multiple Scores]

CH,

I fail to see how you can suggest that VY and Benson both get off with warnings. Did Pac Man Jones, Tank Johnson or Michael Vick get off with warnings. It goes far beyond Big Ben.... but what Goodell did with Big Ben was to not just imply but tell the league that if you are involved in bad publicity you will be suspended. Despite whatever your personal opinion on Big Ben is (and yes you implying rape and assault is an opinion and not fact) that is the precedent set. I do not have a problem with your opinion on Big Ben, he put himself in that position and he is paying the price for it. I fail to remember anyone tossing him or the Steelers sympathy over the suspension nor do I expect any. What I do expect is for Goodell to treat other players in the same respect and not just because ESPN comes crying over a player.

Hold the CH crucifixion for a second. First off, go back and read post 46 - it will explain the bolded. There has already been a precedent set by the league in minor assault cases (again, read post 46 for examples).Comparing this case to Ben or Vick is ludicrous from a discipline standpoint. Both Ben and Vick were charged with (or going to be charged with) felonies. Benson is going to be charged with (assuming the accuser continues to press the issue) a misdemeanor. Not all bad PR is equal. A misdemenaor vs. a felony is a big difference - legally and in the eyes of the public. What Ben was alleged to have done and what Vick was proven to have done are far worse than what Benson was alleged to have done, both legally and by most people's views, ethically.

IMHO, anyone touting a multi-game suspension for Benson given what we know at this point is either ignoring the facts of the situation or hoping to drive Benson's value down to trade for him.

I'm just a simple guy. I have done the things Cedric is accused of, however I have not done the things that Ben or Vick are accused of. The majority of my friends have punched a person, the majority of my friends have not been accused of rape or running dog fighting rings. Ethically I am in full agreement with your post.

On another note this thread is just another example of how bad the shark pool has become, the tool factor is real high in this thread and I have counted 3 posters who have different views on Benson as displaying high concentration of tool factor. The sick part about it is that you can find 5 threads on the front page where the tool factor is just as bad as this thread. I would say "Can't wait for the season to start" but then the boards will be littered with even more garbage and a bunch of WDIS, bragging, whining posts. My favorite time is when the rookie talk is peaking, I can put up with the guys who think they are experts from watching a couple of youtube highlights, it is easily my favorite time of year.

 

[Avery]

CH,

I fail to see how you can suggest that VY and Benson both get off with warnings. Did Pac Man Jones, Tank Johnson or Michael Vick get off with warnings. It goes far beyond Big Ben.... but what Goodell did with Big Ben was to not just imply but tell the league that if you are involved in bad publicity you will be suspended. Despite whatever your personal opinion on Big Ben is (and yes you implying rape and assault is an opinion and not fact) that is the precedent set. I do not have a problem with your opinion on Big Ben, he put himself in that position and he is paying the price for it. I fail to remember anyone tossing him or the Steelers sympathy over the suspension nor do I expect any. What I do expect is for Goodell to treat other players in the same respect and not just because ESPN comes crying over a player.

Hold the CH crucifixion for a second. First off, go back and read post 46 - it will explain the bolded. There has already been a precedent set by the league in minor assault cases (again, read post 46 for examples).Comparing this case to Ben or Vick is ludicrous from a discipline standpoint. Both Ben and Vick were charged with (or going to be charged with) felonies. Benson is going to be charged with (assuming the accuser continues to press the issue) a misdemeanor. Not all bad PR is equal. A misdemenaor vs. a felony is a big difference - legally and in the eyes of the public. What Ben was alleged to have done and what Vick was proven to have done are far worse than what Benson was alleged to have done, both legally and by most people's views, ethically.

IMHO, anyone touting a multi-game suspension for Benson given what we know at this point is either ignoring the facts of the situation or hoping to drive Benson's value down to trade for him.

I'm just a simple guy. I have done the things Cedric is accused of, however I have not done the things that Ben or Vick are accused of. The majority of my friends have punched a person, the majority of my friends have not been accused of rape or running dog fighting rings. Ethically I am in full agreement with your post.

You might want to diversify the friends you keep...