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Bernard Scott - This week only (1 Viewer)

Any chance that IF Larry Johnson plays (and Benson is inactive), he steals meaningful carries and/or GL carries from Scott? I think the OP is right when he says he could be a fantastic one week play. Jamaal Charles looked like Eric Dickerson against the Raiders last week. Probably a lot of garbage time carries. I see 100yds and 1 TD.

 
I'll play him if benson and LJ are innactive. But if either of them are active I'd be scared to use him as anything other than a flex. Maybe 10 carries?

 
Just picked him up cause I have Turner, and missed on Foresett and Snelling... can't deny the juicy match-up against OAK.

I'm thinking (HOPING!?!) that the Bengals may chose to rest Benson (or at least limit him) this week so he can get healthy for the games that they will really need him. CIN should wipe up the field with OAK and I'm really hoping for some good garbage stats from Scott.

Even if Benson starts/plays, I see Scott getting the mop-up duty, and racking up some good yardage and hopefully a TD.

As far as LJ coming in, I don't know how similar the offensive schemes are between KC and CIN. I do think Marvin will stick to his guns, and his players who have been with him all year, in camps, OTAs, practices, games, as opposed to putting LJ on the field right away.

Man I hope I'm right....

 
Great thread: Let's talk about who we are benching in favor of Scott this week and help each other out. I'm leaning towards starting him over Stewart and Betts if Benson is inactive--anyone else making a gutsy call like this?

 
Great thread: Let's talk about who we are benching in favor of Scott this week and help each other out. I'm leaning towards starting him over Stewart and Betts if Benson is inactive--anyone else making a gutsy call like this?
I have DWill and JStew in my lineup currently and am considering Scott over Stewart. Sucks that Car plays Thurs night. I'm sure Cincy won't reveal Benson's status before that. I'm not worried about LJ impacting Scott too much though.
 
Yes, we got screwed with Stewy playing Thursday night, but as you probably already know, Stewart has been great one week and pretty ordinary the next--yes, if this pattern keeps up he won't do much this week. I think we should swing for the fences and go with Scott, since even if Benson plays he's going to get significant touches.

 
I have these 5 players in my RB or W/R slots:

L. McCoy

Tim Hightower

Jason Snelling

S. Smith (NYG)

Kevin Walter

It's a tossup as to who I should start Scott over. Most likely it would be Walter, but I can't decide until I know for sure if Scott is starting.

 
I'll play him if benson and LJ are innactive. But if either of them are active I'd be scared to use him as anything other than a flex. Maybe 10 carries?
LJ isn't going to steal meaningful carries from two players that have been on the team all season five days after signing with the team. I'm not benching Scott if LJ dresses.If Benson is out, as the Bengals have indicated is a real possibility, then Scott is a great play. This guy can run, catch, he's elusive in the open field, and he's handled the full load in college. I would expect at least 90 total yards and a TD against the Raiders.

I see Scott with around 20+ touches, Leonard with 8, and LJ with 5 in garbage time if the game is way out of hand. If it is fairly close I doubt LJ sees the field.

 
Great thread: Let's talk about who we are benching in favor of Scott this week and help each other out. I'm leaning towards starting him over Stewart and Betts if Benson is inactive--anyone else making a gutsy call like this?
as long as benson is inactive this week, which IMO he will be, i am starting b scott at my flex, over j charles, forsett and mcfadden. not really gutsy considering they all have terrible matchups (pitt, @minn, cincy). my gut though tells me b scott gets the vast majority of the work, leonard gets a few change of pace carries and some 3rd down work, and marvin activates LJ and trots him out there for a few carries here and there just to see what he has in the tank. possibly even some GL work. always a risk that LJ rips off a big run and marvin goes with the hot hand, but i'd count on b scott getting 15-20 touches (again, as long as benson is inactive) and think he should have a big day against the hapless raiders run defense. i'd guess he would have similar stats as j charles did last week, somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 total yds and 1 TD.
 
I'm starting Scott regardless of if Benson is active or not. With Ronnie Brown out, my next best option is Mike Bell or Buckhalter. I'll take my chances with Bernard vs. Oakland. GL all...

 
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Great thread: Let's talk about who we are benching in favor of Scott this week and help each other out. I'm leaning towards starting him over Stewart and Betts if Benson is inactive--anyone else making a gutsy call like this?
Leaning to starting him over Kevin Smith (even against Cleveland)
 
I could start him over Moreno, but I think I am going to hold off and play the Chargers matchup instead. Tough choice with Turner out.

 
Marvin Lewis has not ruled out Larry Johnson playing in this game...I'm surprised many of you seem to be so dismissive of the guy.

 
Marvin Lewis has not ruled out Larry Johnson playing in this game...I'm surprised many of you seem to be so dismissive of the guy.
I agree that he could possibly play. However, I can't see LJ having a significant role when he just signed w/ the team and doesn't know the playbook. I think the reason he may see carries if it's a blowout and there's a wide margin for error. Marvin Lewis said that he would come in as RB4, but also said he could play. I think it's unrealistic to think he'd immediately cutting into Scott's or Benson's carries. He could come in as RB4 and still play, so I don't think Lewis is being deceptive.
 
I WANT to play Bernard this week - I've been on his dynasty bandwagon from the beginning - but I can't with my roster in the only league I own him in. I can start up to 2 RBs and I have CJ3, Thomas Jones, Beanie Wells, Donald Brown and Bernard Scott. A good problem to have, I guess, but I'm more hoping he has a big game and starts to earn more PT going forward.

 
Debating between him, Reggie Bush and Snelling. I think I'll go Scott if Benson doesn't play, but Bush is playing Tampa Bay and had his best game of the season on Sunday. Thoughts?

 
I'm most likely starting him over Marshawn Lynch in a PPR
Same here, sitting Lynch, DMC and Donald Brown down for B. Scott in one .5ppr league to pair with Kevin SmithBut in another league where I lost Turner I have to choose 3 between:LT @ DENAddai @ BALJ. Stewart vs. Mia (going to the game)B. Scott @ OAKSnelling (if I land him in FA) @ NYGnot an easy call, but leaning toward LT, Stewart and Scott.
 
i lost ronnie brown. Hard decision this week but if he starts, I choose Scott over lynch, moreno, and either wells or mccoy. Hard to trust wells at this point after I started PT against STL last week. Lynch has been terrible and it's hard to figure out how mcdaniels wants to use moreno going forward, especially considering how terrible moreno was vs the chargers the first time around.

I think Oakland is bad enough that ANY running back who gets 15+ carries against them can dominate so I would definitely start Bernard Scott assuming he gets a full load and goal line carries which I think he should.

 
i lost ronnie brown. Hard decision this week but if he starts, I choose Scott over lynch, moreno, and either wells or mccoy. Hard to trust wells at this point after I started PT against STL last week. Lynch has been terrible and it's hard to figure out how mcdaniels wants to use moreno going forward, especially considering how terrible moreno was vs the chargers the first time around.I think Oakland is bad enough that ANY running back who gets 15+ carries against them can dominate so I would definitely start Bernard Scott assuming he gets a full load and goal line carries which I think he should.
It's definitely a nice matchup but I would probably have trouble sitting Wells for Scott at this point.
 
To all those dimissing LJ - this is not like a new QB or WR stepping into an offence.

Rooke RB's are usually succesful because they can step in and contribute right away - there is not a whole lot a RB has to learn to be able to contribute. Basically Palmer just has to tell LJ which hole to hit or if its a sweep left or right he has to be able to read his offensive line.

RB is probably one of the easiest positions to transition from one team to another in football.

 
Knobs said:
Marvin Lewis has not ruled out Larry Johnson playing in this game...I'm surprised many of you seem to be so dismissive of the guy.
Heck, he has not even ruled out Benson yet.
 
To all those dimissing LJ - this is not like a new QB or WR stepping into an offence.

Rooke RB's are usually succesful because they can step in and contribute right away - there is not a whole lot a RB has to learn to be able to contribute. Basically Palmer just has to tell LJ which hole to hit or if its a sweep left or right he has to be able to read his offensive line.



RB is probably one of the easiest positions to transition from one team to another in football.
Agreed 100%. He's got a handful of holes to run through. He's been playing as a pro for many years now. I think LJ could easily transition in to certain plays/formations as early as this week. Give him the rock 20 times and see what happens. I think what happens is 150 and 2.
 
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Knobs said:
Marvin Lewis has not ruled out Larry Johnson playing in this game...I'm surprised many of you seem to be so dismissive of the guy.
I agree that he could possibly play. However, I can't see LJ having a significant role when he just signed w/ the team and doesn't know the playbook. I think the reason he may see carries if it's a blowout and there's a wide margin for error. Marvin Lewis said that he would come in as RB4, but also said he could play. I think it's unrealistic to think he'd immediately cutting into Scott's or Benson's carries. He could come in as RB4 and still play, so I don't think Lewis is being deceptive.
I think a lot of people are making too much of the fact that LJ's changing offenses and assuming that it'll take him weeks to get up to speed. He's a RB and as we've seen from rookie RBs that's the one position that can make the quickest and easiest transition. No, he won't be able to know all the blitz pickups but Carson can assist and the OC can also assist by playing him on 1st and 2nd downs and giving vanilla play calls. He just has to know which holes to hit. It's not like he's a wr running timing plays or is a QB that needs to know the entire playbook. On the sidelines before each series they can reivew a few of the plays they are going to call and let him know where he needs to be. Everyone on the team knows that this would be his first game so they are certainly going to give him extra time and attention to get him up to speed as quickly as possible and to keep things as simple as possible. They certainly won't open the full playbook for him but he's absolutely capable of learning 25-30 plays in a week (and you can run a play more than once). Let's not pretend this is rocket science here.In Tuesday's press conference (after signing Monday night) Lewis hinted that LJ might play...how will he feel by Saturday?
 
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To all those dimissing LJ - this is not like a new QB or WR stepping into an offence. Rooke RB's are usually succesful because they can step in and contribute right away - there is not a whole lot a RB has to learn to be able to contribute. Basically Palmer just has to tell LJ which hole to hit or if its a sweep left or right he has to be able to read his offensive line.RB is probably one of the easiest positions to transition from one team to another in football.
lol...I didn't see this before posting... :bag:
 
Who would've thought so much would hang in the balance this week in Oakland? And the range of things that could happen is even more difficult to figure out. In each league I'm in, this situation has huge implications to a number of teams. I actually hedged my bets, meaning I took Scott in two leagues out of 4, grabbing someone else in the others.

I'll go somewhere in the middle for Scott, almost 100 yards and a TD. I do think LJ gets a TD though. Down low, they'll give it to him as a welcoming gift.

Nobody's talked about the shape LJ's in; not that I've heard anyway. Did he skip a beat during any of this?

 
To all those dimissing LJ - this is not like a new QB or WR stepping into an offence. Rooke RB's are usually succesful because they can step in and contribute right away - there is not a whole lot a RB has to learn to be able to contribute. Basically Palmer just has to tell LJ which hole to hit or if its a sweep left or right he has to be able to read his offensive line.RB is probably one of the easiest positions to transition from one team to another in football.
No. It's not that simple. It's also a matter of protections, picking up the Blitz, and not getting your QB killed. I think we saw what happened when a backup QB ran this Offense last year... yes Larry could hit the correct hole. But Leonard and Scott should offer better protection for Carson, especially since Larry has struggled with Proection anyway. Lastly, its the Raiders. (No offense, AL) Why would Marvin risk Palmer's health even in the slightest... when they're playing Oak. LJ doesnt play this week, I don't care what Marvin said in his second Presser.
 
To all those dimissing LJ - this is not like a new QB or WR stepping into an offence. Rooke RB's are usually succesful because they can step in and contribute right away - there is not a whole lot a RB has to learn to be able to contribute. Basically Palmer just has to tell LJ which hole to hit or if its a sweep left or right he has to be able to read his offensive line.RB is probably one of the easiest positions to transition from one team to another in football.
No. It's not that simple. It's also a matter of protections, picking up the Blitz, and not getting your QB killed. I think we saw what happened when a backup QB ran this Offense last year... yes Larry could hit the correct hole. But Leonard and Scott should offer better protection for Carson, especially since Larry has struggled with Proection anyway. Lastly, its the Raiders. (No offense, AL) Why would Marvin risk Palmer's health even in the slightest... when they're playing Oak. LJ doesnt play this week, I don't care what Marvin said in his second Presser.
How's he going to get him killed if they hand it off to him on 1st and 2nd down?
 
To all those dimissing LJ - this is not like a new QB or WR stepping into an offence. Rooke RB's are usually succesful because they can step in and contribute right away - there is not a whole lot a RB has to learn to be able to contribute. Basically Palmer just has to tell LJ which hole to hit or if its a sweep left or right he has to be able to read his offensive line.RB is probably one of the easiest positions to transition from one team to another in football.
No. It's not that simple. It's also a matter of protections, picking up the Blitz, and not getting your QB killed. I think we saw what happened when a backup QB ran this Offense last year... yes Larry could hit the correct hole. But Leonard and Scott should offer better protection for Carson, especially since Larry has struggled with Proection anyway. Lastly, its the Raiders. (No offense, AL) Why would Marvin risk Palmer's health even in the slightest... when they're playing Oak. LJ doesnt play this week, I don't care what Marvin said in his second Presser.
How's he going to get him killed if they hand it off to him on 1st and 2nd down?
It only takes one play.
 
To all those dimissing LJ - this is not like a new QB or WR stepping into an offence. Rooke RB's are usually succesful because they can step in and contribute right away - there is not a whole lot a RB has to learn to be able to contribute. Basically Palmer just has to tell LJ which hole to hit or if its a sweep left or right he has to be able to read his offensive line.RB is probably one of the easiest positions to transition from one team to another in football.
No. It's not that simple. It's also a matter of protections, picking up the Blitz, and not getting your QB killed. I think we saw what happened when a backup QB ran this Offense last year... yes Larry could hit the correct hole. But Leonard and Scott should offer better protection for Carson, especially since Larry has struggled with Proection anyway. Lastly, its the Raiders. (No offense, AL) Why would Marvin risk Palmer's health even in the slightest... when they're playing Oak. LJ doesnt play this week, I don't care what Marvin said in his second Presser.
How's he going to get him killed if they hand it off to him on 1st and 2nd down?
It only takes one play.
cmon. The Bengals aren't stupid and LJ if he does play isn't going to be out there in obvious passing downs (and won't even if he knew the entire playbook). The Bengals are calling the plays and will know if it's a passing play or not....they control that. If he plays they'll use him on 1st and 2nd down running plays and possibly some play action but they aren't going to put him in a position where he'll need to make blitz pickups and reads. The Raiders are the perfect opponent to play against too because everyone in the stadium knows the opponent is going to run against that defense and they still can't stop it so it's not as if you need a lot of misdirection or tricky playcalling. Just go out there and pound it down their throats for 4 yards a clip.
 
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Umm let's be realistic I fully expect if LJ plays he probably won't be in on passing downs.

If he is in on a passing down the blitz pickup would probably be pretty vanilla.

Ie everyone is man up............no double teams etc

 
Umm let's be realistic I fully expect if LJ plays he probably won't be in on passing downs.If he is in on a passing down the blitz pickup would probably be pretty vanilla.Ie everyone is man up............no double teams etc
exactly. Everyone knows that he's new to the offense so they are going to put him in a position to succeed and minimize risk (if he plays - which I believe he will). I also believe Scott will play and get touches but I think they'll want to minimize those and keep him in the role he's been playing (although slightly increased if Benson is out). Should be interesting to see how this shakes out this week.
 
Great thread: Let's talk about who we are benching in favor of Scott this week and help each other out. I'm leaning towards starting him over Stewart and Betts if Benson is inactive--anyone else making a gutsy call like this?
I have DWill and JStew in my lineup currently and am considering Scott over Stewart. Sucks that Car plays Thurs night. I'm sure Cincy won't reveal Benson's status before that. I'm not worried about LJ impacting Scott too much though.
fwiw I have the same decision, and am playing b scott. now debating using j stew vs j charles (as he isnt playing the raiders)
 
Let's look at last year. Benson signed on 9/30, after he had been home cooling his jets after being released from the Bears on June 10th. That's more than 3 months off.

He played his first game on 10/5, carrying 10 times.

By his 3rd game (10/19) he was the starter (against Pittsburgh, no less) and had 15 touches.

Johnson comes in having played half a season of football already, not sitting home waiting for a call. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he gets significant carries this week.

 
Anyone concerned that Leonard will get GL carries? I'd like to start Scott w/ confidence in Benson's absence, but concerned that the TD's wont be there.

 
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I'll play him if benson and LJ are innactive. But if either of them are active I'd be scared to use him as anything other than a flex. Maybe 10 carries?
And return yardage. If you get that(I do in one league) he may be a better start.
 
Larry Johnson's Role Depends on Cedric Benson

This story speculates that LJ will dress if Benson is out, which I expect.

I guess I just don't see LJ getting many carries this week unless there is an injury to Scott or Leonard.

I think Scott will start and get the majority of the touches, Leonard will get some 3rd downs/short yardage, and LJ will get a few carries depending on game situation.

And yes, I understand that Benson came in and took over the starter's role with little time on the team last season, but the Bengals didn't have any other options in their backfield.

The Bengals loved Scott in training camp, and he was the player that received the majority of the touches against Pittsburgh when Benson left the game. I think he'll get a decent opportunity to show what he can do against Oakland, and he'll be successful.

It doesn't make sense for the Bengals to completely flip the depth chart upside down when LJ signed just five days before the game.

 
Anyone concerned that Leonard will get GL carries? I'd like to start Scott w/ confidence in Benson's absence, but concerned that the TD's wont be there.
Leonard will be in short yardage/goaline sets i would imagine. The only way Scott gets a TD is if he breaks one and that could definitely happen against that defense.
 
Anyone concerned that Leonard will get GL carries? I'd like to start Scott w/ confidence in Benson's absence, but concerned that the TD's wont be there.
Leonard will be in short yardage/goaline sets i would imagine. The only way Scott gets a TD is if he breaks one and that could definitely happen against that defense.
Are we looking at Leonard coming in the game only inside the 5 yd line? 10 yd line? When you say "break one" it seems as if you're indicating he may need to score from 30-40 yards out or he wont get a TD. What's considered a short yardage/GL package?
 
Larry Johnson's Role Depends on Cedric Benson

This story speculates that LJ will dress if Benson is out, which I expect.

I guess I just don't see LJ getting many carries this week unless there is an injury to Scott or Leonard.

I think Scott will start and get the majority of the touches, Leonard will get some 3rd downs/short yardage, and LJ will get a few carries depending on game situation.

And yes, I understand that Benson came in and took over the starter's role with little time on the team last season, but the Bengals didn't have any other options in their backfield.

The Bengals loved Scott in training camp, and he was the player that received the majority of the touches against Pittsburgh when Benson left the game. I think he'll get a decent opportunity to show what he can do against Oakland, and he'll be successful.

It doesn't make sense for the Bengals to completely flip the depth chart upside down when LJ signed just five days before the game.
It only makes sense if you think LJ gives you a better chance of winning the game. And that's not in the least bit crazy.
 
Anyone concerned that Leonard will get GL carries? I'd like to start Scott w/ confidence in Benson's absence, but concerned that the TD's wont be there.
Leonard will be in short yardage/goaline sets i would imagine. The only way Scott gets a TD is if he breaks one and that could definitely happen against that defense.
Are we looking at Leonard coming in the game only inside the 5 yd line? 10 yd line? When you say "break one" it seems as if you're indicating he may need to score from 30-40 yards out or he wont get a TD. What's considered a short yardage/GL package?
Leonard will probably get a lot of 3rd downs also.
 
As a Benson/Scott owner in both leagues, with few alternatives in both, I fully expect the bulk of the scoring to be split between LJ and Leonard. :confused:

But maybe I'll get to see Leonard score his first NFL TD, so there is that ;)

 

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