Bertrand Berry - OLB (1 Viewer)

[No. 16]

I was wondering if Berry who is slated to play OLD with Chike, are they slated to keep their DL eligibility or will they go LB?

 

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[Jene Bramel]

The Cardinals are going to be hard to read until the preseason.

It initially appeared that the 3-4 would be a changeup front. However, beat writer Kent Somers implied that the Cardinals may be a predominantly 3-4 team already. We'll see what happens in their preseason games.

If there's anything to the new NFL policy requiring teams to release accurate depth charts and the Cardinals do intend on morphing into a 3-4 defense, both Berry and Chike Okeafor may end up being listed as LBs yet. Still, I'd guess that those two and Brett Keisel have the greatest likelihood of getting a bunch of snaps at LB despite a DL designation.

 

[No. 16]

The Cardinals are going to be hard to read until the preseason.It initially appeared that the 3-4 would be a changeup front. However, beat writer Kent Somers implied that the Cardinals may be a predominantly 3-4 team already. We'll see what happens in their preseason games.If there's anything to the new NFL policy requiring teams to release accurate depth charts and the Cardinals do intend on morphing into a 3-4 defense, both Berry and Chike Okeafor may end up being listed as LBs yet. Still, I'd guess that those two and Brett Keisel have the greatest likelihood of getting a bunch of snaps at LB despite a DL designation.

thanks.

 

[Bob Magaw]

like jene said,

the ARI defense is hard to get a read on right now, and may have the most uncertainty of any NFL defense leading into the season...

earlier there was more talk of a mix of looks, lately most of the information seems to presuppose a predominantly 3-4 alignment...

DC pendergast is known as a creative guy, who likes to throw different looks at offenses...

with the success of NE at using different fronts, it is surprising that more teams down't switch it up more often... but that probably speaks to the difficulty in a mostly 4-3 league in getting front seven defenders versatile enough to morph in & out of different schemes... 4-3 & 3-4 DE & DT can have different skill sets & responsibilities... MLB & ILB similar in two schemes, but not necessarily OLBs... 4-3 SLB sometimes close to 3-4 OLB, but WLB doesn't mesh well... most similar to 3-4 OLB probably 4-3 DE, but can have more coverage responsibility in former case...

i think they will mix it up, but am starting to think they want to shift more in 3-4 direction sooner than later, & the process will start right away...

in PIT, guys like joey porter weren't running downfield in coverage 50 yards too often, & were basically converted college DEs who got to play going forward most of the time... berry & okeafor can do that... if they are asked to cover much, it could get ugly...

berry actually started as a LB in the NFL i think (quickly became a DE), so may have better movement skills than he is credited for... but playing LB & in space is just a lot different, & may take time to get reacclimated to... the play looks different, unfolds from a different perspective, pursuit angles are different, etc...

ARI was a bottom 5 defense last season, but were much better in '05...

 

[JaxBill]

Bizzump with the fbg email that went out this morning. Bert Berry at OLB AND Chike Okeafor at OLB. I don't know about that change. I think teams will be dumping swing passes in the flat on them all day long.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/...dsbreak-ON.html

 

[No. 16]

So who gets a value bump due to the Cards shift in defense?

To me it seems as if Dansby is the only one whose value jumps (shifting from SLB to ILB), Hayes stays the same, and everyone else drops.

 

[Tick]

So who gets a value bump due to the Cards shift in defense?To me it seems as if Dansby is the only one whose value jumps (shifting from SLB to ILB), Hayes stays the same, and everyone else drops.

Depending on how the league services classify Berry and Okeafor, which we won't know for a long time.I rode Adalius Thomas at DL three years ago and Bryan Thomas last year. I snagged Berry in a couple of leagues this offseason; we'll see how he's classified. Currently it's still DE, but that means nothing this early.

 

[steelcityman]

I dont think Keisel will get many snaps at OLB, last I read he is a DT(starting). The Steelers still have some LBs left after Porter, and they did draft 2 OLBs with their first 2 picks this year.

Berry is not much an OLB, he is a DE in a 4-3, but I think he is big enough to play a DT in a 3-4. Kind of like Aaron Smith with Pitts.

Berry, Chike and Kiwanuka will be guys worth keeping an eye on in camp. If Berry and or Chike move to OLB, I think it might hurt their value, sacks anyway. Kiwanuka could be a solid OLB, but NYG runs a 4-3 I thought? Still, worth watching their progress/situation.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

With the noise being generated about it... no.

He will get moved like Greg Ellis did.

 

[Tick]

I dont think Keisel will get many snaps at OLB, last I read he is a DT(starting). The Steelers still have some LBs left after Porter, and they did draft 2 OLBs with their first 2 picks this year.Berry is not much an OLB, he is a DE in a 4-3, but I think he is big enough to play a DT in a 3-4. Kind of like Aaron Smith with Pitts. Berry, Chike and Kiwanuka will be guys worth keeping an eye on in camp. If Berry and or Chike move to OLB, I think it might hurt their value, sacks anyway. Kiwanuka could be a solid OLB, but NYG runs a 4-3 I thought? Still, worth watching their progress/situation.

You're saying DT when you mean DE, right?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I dont think Keisel will get many snaps at OLB, last I read he is a DT(starting). The Steelers still have some LBs left after Porter, and they did draft 2 OLBs with their first 2 picks this year.

Berry is not much an OLB, he is a DE in a 4-3, but I think he is big enough to play a DT in a 3-4. Kind of like Aaron Smith with Pitts.

Berry, Chike and Kiwanuka will be guys worth keeping an eye on in camp. If Berry and or Chike move to OLB, I think it might hurt their value, sacks anyway. Kiwanuka could be a solid OLB, but NYG runs a 4-3 I thought? Still, worth watching their progress/situation.

You're saying DT when you mean DE, right?

He must. Because aint no way he moving Hampton out of the line up.

 

[Chadstroma]

Made an offer to get Erasmus James for Betrand Berry in my dynasty league. My view is that Arizona looks to be moving to the 3-4 and moving Berry to OLB. I am not convinced he can play that position and if he can it will likely take at least a year for him to adjust. I might as well look to get a younger guy whose value is low. James injury looks to be on the mend. He could have upside, if he does not pan out then I can drop him. It is a better gamble in my opinion than Berry and I would end up having to drop him anyways as well.

 

[lions327]

Made an offer to get Erasmus James for Betrand Berry in my dynasty league. My view is that Arizona looks to be moving to the 3-4 and moving Berry to OLB. I am not convinced he can play that position and if he can it will likely take at least a year for him to adjust. I might as well look to get a younger guy whose value is low. James injury looks to be on the mend. He could have upside, if he does not pan out then I can drop him. It is a better gamble in my opinion than Berry and I would end up having to drop him anyways as well.

Good trade for you in my opinion. Getting rid of a player you are likely to cut is always good. Small trades are underrated.

 

[lawrence phillips]

So is Berry basically playing the role of Joey Porter? If so, I think this helps Berry. Depending on the format.

 

[Chadstroma]

Made an offer to get Erasmus James for Betrand Berry in my dynasty league. My view is that Arizona looks to be moving to the 3-4 and moving Berry to OLB. I am not convinced he can play that position and if he can it will likely take at least a year for him to adjust. I might as well look to get a younger guy whose value is low. James injury looks to be on the mend. He could have upside, if he does not pan out then I can drop him. It is a better gamble in my opinion than Berry and I would end up having to drop him anyways as well.

Good trade for you in my opinion. Getting rid of a player you are likely to cut is always good. Small trades are underrated.

Thanks- we think alike! Have not heard back from the owner yet though but hopefully he takes it.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

i have same questions with jarret johnson, in my fanball league he has always been listed as a DL. i'm betting his position doesn't get switched. the ravens DE/OLB are so interchangeable its hard to make a distinction.

on the topic with Berry and Okeafor, i know okeafor is older- but hasn't he been the reliable one of the 2 for quite some time? I'd rather have okeafor

 

[Rozelle]

Word is Pace, who was active in pre-training-camp activities, could really push veteran Bertrand Berry, who has yet to strut his stuff this offseason, for one of the team’s OLB roles

Source PFW / TWWHI

 

[Tick]

Word is Pace, who was active in pre-training-camp activities, could really push veteran Bertrand Berry, who has yet to strut his stuff this offseason, for one of the team’s OLB roles

Source PFW / TWWHI

That makes sense. Pace has some experience from last season at SLB, so he'd be more of a natural conversion to 3-4 OLB this season than Berry, who hasn't played LB for a really long time.