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Best 6th Round or Later NFL Draft Pick (1 Viewer)

Who was the Best Pickup?

  • Terrell Davis (6th)

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  • Jamal Anderson (7th)

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  • Terry Allen (9th)

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  • Priest Holmes (Undrafted)

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  • Earnest Byner (12th)

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  • Tom Brady (6th)

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  • Matt Hasselbeck (6th)

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  • Trent Green (8th)

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  • Kurt Warner (Undrafted)

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  • Jake Delhomme (Undrafted)

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  • Mark Clayton (8th)

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  • Keenan McCardell (12th)

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  • Rod Smith (Undrafted)

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  • Jay Novacek (6th)

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  • Shannon Sharpe (7th)

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  • Antonio Gates (Undrafted)

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David Yudkin

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Honorable mention to Mike Anderson (6th), TJ Houshmandzadeh (7th), Donald Driver (7th), and Eric Martin (7th). I'm sure I missed some others and probably some undrafted players. Feel free to bring up anyone else I missed . . .

 
I went with Shannon Sharpe. He became the greatest TE the game has ever seen. Tom Brady is one of the greatest QB's of all time and when it's all said and done he may become the greatest QB the game has ever seen. But considering that he will have to play a few more years to be the best at his position and Sharpe is the best now, I'm going with Sharpe....Ask me the question in 7-10 years and I may change my answer....

 
I went with Shannon Sharpe. He became the greatest TE the game has ever seen. Tom Brady is one of the greatest QB's of all time and when it's all said and done he may become the greatest QB the game has ever seen. But considering that he will have to play a few more years to be the best at his position and Sharpe is the best now, I'm going with Sharpe....Ask me the question in 7-10 years and I may change my answer....
3 time SB Winning QB >>>> Best ever (debatable) TE.
 
I went with Shannon Sharpe. He became the greatest TE the game has ever seen. Tom Brady is one of the greatest QB's of all time and when it's all said and done he may become the greatest QB the game has ever seen. But considering that he will have to play a few more years to be the best at his position and Sharpe is the best now, I'm going with Sharpe....Ask me the question in 7-10 years and I may change my answer....
Sharpe is the only other player worthy of votes on this list, and agree that he deserves some measure of recognition. But to come away with a 3-time SB winning QB in the 6th round, particularly on a team that was perceived to have few if any other offensive stars, is the stuff of legend.
 
People forgetting how dominant TD was in Denver's back-to-back super bowl run??
No, but I remember how Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary looked too. Not 2K yds, but pretty darn good.EDIT to add: I think the more interesting poll would be to take 7th or later... Holmes would certainly get a lot of love, but I discount him a lot for not benefitting the team that drafted him as much. (Not that personal loyalties play into this at all...)

 
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People forgetting how dominant TD was in Denver's back-to-back super bowl run??
No, but I remember how Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary looked too. Not 2K yds, but pretty darn good.
:yes: And, much as TD was a stud...he had Shannon Sharpe (someone we've already talked about being one of the best, if not the best, at his position in league history) and John Elway alongside him.

 
I went with Shannon Sharpe.  He became the greatest TE the game has ever seen.  Tom Brady is one of the greatest QB's of all time and when it's all said and done he may become the greatest QB the game has ever seen.  But considering that he will have to play a few more years to be the best at his position and Sharpe is the best now, I'm going with Sharpe....Ask me the question in 7-10 years and I may change my answer....
3 time SB Winning QB >>>> Best ever (debatable) TE.
Sharpe has a couple rings himself. Also has a string of probowls, all decade honors, and unprecedented trash talking skills.
 
I went with Shannon Sharpe. He became the greatest TE the game has ever seen. Tom Brady is one of the greatest QB's of all time and when it's all said and done he may become the greatest QB the game has ever seen. But considering that he will have to play a few more years to be the best at his position and Sharpe is the best now, I'm going with Sharpe....Ask me the question in 7-10 years and I may change my answer....
Sharpe is VERY debateable as the greatest TE end. Never heard of Kellen Winslow? Ozzie Newsome? Did Shannon Sharpe ever block?Sharpe has all of the stats and records but I do not think he is a clear cut greatest of all time.

 
People forgetting how dominant TD was in Denver's back-to-back super bowl run??
No, but I remember how Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary looked too. Not 2K yds, but pretty darn good.
:yes: And, much as TD was a stud...he had Shannon Sharpe (someone we've already talked about being one of the best, if not the best, at his position in league history) and John Elway alongside him.
Without TD, neither Elway nor Sharpe has a single ring.
 
I went with Shannon Sharpe.  He became the greatest TE the game has ever seen.  Tom Brady is one of the greatest QB's of all time and when it's all said and done he may become the greatest QB the game has ever seen.  But considering that he will have to play a few more years to be the best at his position and Sharpe is the best now, I'm going with Sharpe....Ask me the question in 7-10 years and I may change my answer....
3 time SB Winning QB >>>> 3 time SB winning Best ever (debatable) TE.
Sharpe has a couple rings himself. Also has a string of probowls, all decade honors, and unprecedented trash talking skills.
fixed. Why is a TE's SB rings worth less than a QB's rings? Please don't answer Elway/TD here, Sharpe won a SB with Dilfer/Lewis.That being said, I voted for Brady.

 
I went with Shannon Sharpe.  He became the greatest TE the game has ever seen.  Tom Brady is one of the greatest QB's of all time and when it's all said and done he may become the greatest QB the game has ever seen.  But considering that he will have to play a few more years to be the best at his position and Sharpe is the best now, I'm going with Sharpe....Ask me the question in 7-10 years and I may change my answer....
Sharpe is VERY debateable as the greatest TE end. Never heard of Kellen Winslow? Ozzie Newsome? Did Shannon Sharpe ever block?Sharpe has all of the stats and records but I do not think he is a clear cut greatest of all time.
Any "greatest ever" is up for debate.Greatest QB? Montana would get the most votes, but it wouldn't be a majority

Greatest DE? You would have pretty compelling arguments for Reggie White, Bruce Smith and Deacon Jones I'm betting

Greatest RB? A majority would likely say Jim Brown but it's by no means an open and shut case in many fans eyes

A better question would be how many NFL positions have a clear cut "best ever?"

WR -- Jerry Rice
LB -- Lawrence Taylor?
PK -- Jan Stenerud?
P -- Ray Guy
 
People forgetting how dominant TD was in Denver's back-to-back super bowl run??
No, but I remember how Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary looked too. Not 2K yds, but pretty darn good.
:yes: And, much as TD was a stud...he had Shannon Sharpe (someone we've already talked about being one of the best, if not the best, at his position in league history) and John Elway alongside him.
Without TD, neither Elway nor Sharpe has a single ring.
:confused: Sharpe won a ring without Davis, as a Raven :confused:
 
I was actually going to post the Jerry Rice comment. He is the only one that I think is HANDS DOWN the best at their position.

 
Hmmmm, how this isn't Tom Brady and then Everyone Else is beyond me :shrug:
It should be.
We've now had 10 different players with votes, so I guess it's not as open and shut as it first appeared . . .
Anyone that's participated in the Babe Bracket knows that our forums have dissenters no matter how open and shut the discussion should be :yes:
 
I think the draft position has something to do with "Best Pick". I see it as similar to the biggest steal in a fantasy draft. Getting a Drew Bledsoe in the 5th round last year was a good deal but nothing compared to getting Larry Johnson in the same round. I'm not saying that Brady is less valuable because he's a 6th than another 6th. I'm saying that the round drafted has an effect on the "Best Pick". I don't know if an undrafted Gates is a better pick than Brady but he's had a huge impact in SD and is looking like he could end up as one of the best TE's in history.

 
People forgetting how dominant TD was in Denver's back-to-back super bowl run??
No, but I remember how Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary looked too. Not 2K yds, but pretty darn good.
:yes: And, much as TD was a stud...he had Shannon Sharpe (someone we've already talked about being one of the best, if not the best, at his position in league history) and John Elway alongside him.
Without TD, neither Elway nor Sharpe has a single ring.
:confused: Sharpe won a ring without Davis, as a Raven :confused:
Yep, Sharp won a ring with Dilfer/Q.Ismail/B.Stokely/Rookie RB (although they did have the Padre on the bench as well)
 
Tom Brady is not in the all-time top 50 in any major category.

I think the answer is pretty clearly Brady, but I could see someone arguing for Sharpe.

Both Brady and Sharpe won three SB rings and both won in three out of four years. In general a player should get more credit for winning SBs with multiple teams rather than one.

Sharpe's eight pro bowls to Brady's three is another factor to consider.

Plus Sharpe finished in the top five at his position for 11 out of 12 years - and in 1993 was a top 10 overall fantasy player.

But barring a monumental collapse, Brady will be the clear answer to this in about five years.

 
People forgetting how dominant TD was in Denver's back-to-back super bowl run??
No, but I remember how Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary looked too. Not 2K yds, but pretty darn good.
:yes: And, much as TD was a stud...he had Shannon Sharpe (someone we've already talked about being one of the best, if not the best, at his position in league history) and John Elway alongside him.
Without TD, neither Elway nor Sharpe has a single ring.
:confused: Sharpe won a ring without Davis, as a Raven :confused:
Yep, Sharp won a ring with Dilfer/Q.Ismail/B.Stokely/Rookie RB (although they did have the Padre on the bench as well)
Hey Mungo...bad use of emoticons on my part. I didn't mean to imply it as a question, but rather contest TheLaw's erroneous statement that Sharpe and Elway never won a single ring without TD.
 
Hmmmm, how this isn't Tom Brady and then Everyone Else is beyond me :shrug:
It should be.
We've now had 10 different players with votes, so I guess it's not as open and shut as it first appeared . . .
I voted for Rod Smith
Shouldn't you at least be one of the five or six best players of your generation at your position to get a vote? ;)
yepfrom 95 to 05 (his generation), Smith is 4th in receptions and 4th in receiving yards

 
Yep, Sharp won a ring with Dilfer/Q.Ismail/B.Stokely/Rookie RB (although they did have the Padre on the bench as well)
Yeah, and he had one reception for five yards in that game. In three Super Bowls, Sharpe has a total of 8 receptions for 71 yards.

 
I think the more interesting question is who is the second best Bronco of the last 20 years? (That way to leave out people like Gradishar and Wright).

I think a pretty compelling case could be made for Davis, Sharpe or Smith.

Smith: 797-10877-65

Sharpe: 815-10060-62

Davis: 8887-65

Sharpe's got the most Pro Bowls, TD has the MVPs (SB and NFL), while Smith will wind up with the most yards, TDs and longest career.

If I was a Broncos fan, I'd probably say TD, Sharpe, Smith.

If I was an NFL historian, I'd rank them Sharpe, TD, Smith.

 
People forgetting how dominant TD was in Denver's back-to-back super bowl run??
No, but I remember how Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary looked too. Not 2K yds, but pretty darn good.
:yes: And, much as TD was a stud...he had Shannon Sharpe (someone we've already talked about being one of the best, if not the best, at his position in league history) and John Elway alongside him.
Without TD, neither Elway nor Sharpe has a single ring.
:confused: Sharpe won a ring without Davis, as a Raven :confused:
my bad. I was just thinking of Denver.
 
I think the more interesting question is who is the second best Bronco of the last 20 years? (That way to leave out people like Gradishar and Wright).

I think a pretty compelling case could be made for Davis, Sharpe or Smith.

Smith: 797-10877-65

Sharpe: 815-10060-62

Davis: 8887-65

Sharpe's got the most Pro Bowls, TD has the MVPs (SB and NFL), while Smith will wind up with the most yards, TDs and longest career.

If I was a Broncos fan, I'd probably say TD, Sharpe, Smith.

If I was an NFL historian, I'd rank them Sharpe, TD, Smith.
Karl Mecklenburg averaged almost 100 tackles per season and roughly 80 career sacks to go along with 6 Pro Bowl appearances...he was a pretty versatile defender as well, playing all front 7 positions for Denver. Mecklenburg was a 12th round pick back in '83. He deserves some consideration behind Elway as the second best Bronco in the last 20 years.Karl Mecklenburg Stats

12 years

141 Games

1145 Tackles

79.5 Sacks

5 Int

1 Safety

2 Defensive Touchdowns
That's a fair point.
 
I'd say the most underrated Bronco has been Tom Nalen. This is a guy having a fantastic career that no one ever taks about. He's a big reason why the Broncos have had so much succss with so many RBs.

 
I'd say the most underrated Bronco has been Tom Nalen. This is a guy having a fantastic career that no one ever taks about. He's a big reason why the Broncos have had so much succss with so many RBs.
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Sharpe is VERY debateable as the greatest TE end. Never heard of Kellen Winslow?

Sharpe has all of the stats and records but I do not think he is a clear cut greatest of all time.
The stats aren't even in Sharpe's favor.In 203 games, Sharpe averaged 4.01 catches, 49.6 yards, and 0.3 TDs per game.

In 109 games, Winslow Sr. averaged 5.0 catches, 61.8 yards, and 0.4 TDs per game.

Winslow also had to compete for balls with Wes Chandler, Charlie Joiner, and John Jefferson. And he had an injury to his knee halfway through his career that caused doctors to say he would never walk again.

 
Sharpe is VERY debateable as the greatest TE end. Never heard of Kellen Winslow?

Sharpe has all of the stats and records but I do not think he is a clear cut greatest of all time.
The stats aren't even in Sharpe's favor.In 203 games, Sharpe averaged 4.01 catches, 49.6 yards, and 0.3 TDs per game.

In 109 games, Winslow Sr. averaged 5.0 catches, 61.8 yards, and 0.4 TDs per game.

Winslow also had to compete for balls with Wes Chandler, Charlie Joiner, and John Jefferson. And he had an injury to his knee halfway through his career that caused doctors to say he would never walk again.
Gonzalez is also ahead of Sharpe in all these categories, and should pass him in all accumulated stats in 2-3 years.
 
Sharpe is VERY debateable as the greatest TE end. Never heard of Kellen Winslow?

Sharpe has all of the stats and records but I do not think he is a clear cut greatest of all time.
The stats aren't even in Sharpe's favor.In 203 games, Sharpe averaged 4.01 catches, 49.6 yards, and 0.3 TDs per game.

In 109 games, Winslow Sr. averaged 5.0 catches, 61.8 yards, and 0.4 TDs per game.

Winslow also had to compete for balls with Wes Chandler, Charlie Joiner, and John Jefferson. And he had an injury to his knee halfway through his career that caused doctors to say he would never walk again.
Yet he only played in 109 games. Who's to say that if he played in 203 games that he would've kept those numbers up at the same pace he did for the 109 games he played...How many SB rings did KW have? How many Pro Bowls?
 
Sharpe is VERY debateable as the greatest TE end. Never heard of Kellen Winslow?

Sharpe has all of the stats and records but I do not think he is a clear cut greatest of all time.
The stats aren't even in Sharpe's favor.In 203 games, Sharpe averaged 4.01 catches, 49.6 yards, and 0.3 TDs per game.

In 109 games, Winslow Sr. averaged 5.0 catches, 61.8 yards, and 0.4 TDs per game.

Winslow also had to compete for balls with Wes Chandler, Charlie Joiner, and John Jefferson. And he had an injury to his knee halfway through his career that caused doctors to say he would never walk again.
Gonzalez is also ahead of Sharpe in all these categories, and should pass him in all accumulated stats in 2-3 years.
He is on pace to obliterate Sharpe's records but his numbers have been declining as of the last couple of years. BTW, Gates is on pace to obliterate Gonzo's numbers. But until they do it nothing changes. Part of what makes Sharpe great is that he did it for so long. Longevity is part of what makes a player great. In the case of a player like Ripken Junior, it's the only thing that made him great...
 
I went with Shannon Sharpe.  He became the greatest TE the game has ever seen.  Tom Brady is one of the greatest QB's of all time and when it's all said and done he may become the greatest QB the game has ever seen.  But considering that he will have to play a few more years to be the best at his position and Sharpe is the best now, I'm going with Sharpe....Ask me the question in 7-10 years and I may change my answer....
Sharpe is VERY debateable as the greatest TE end. Never heard of Kellen Winslow? Ozzie Newsome? Did Shannon Sharpe ever block?Sharpe has all of the stats and records but I do not think he is a clear cut greatest of all time.
Any "greatest ever" is up for debate.Greatest QB? Montana would get the most votes, but it wouldn't be a majority

Greatest DE? You would have pretty compelling arguments for Reggie White, Bruce Smith and Deacon Jones I'm betting

Greatest RB? A majority would likely say Jim Brown but it's by no means an open and shut case in many fans eyes

A better question would be how many NFL positions have a clear cut "best ever?"

WR -- Jerry Rice
LB -- Lawrence Taylor?
PK -- Jan Stenerud?
P -- Ray Guy
W.R. Don Hudson- far better T.D. to games played ratio and done in a time when the NFL still allowed defense.L.B. Butkis, Ham, Singletary, Nitschke, all have better claims in my mind. Yes Taylor could rush the passer and pursue from the back side. He was a force to reckoned with, but he did not absolutely terrorize other teams. There is a difference between scheme disruption and actual terror.

Stenerud and Guy I can agree with, though modern surfaces and domes are allowing others to pass Jan's feats.

 
I went with Shannon Sharpe.  He became the greatest TE the game has ever seen.  Tom Brady is one of the greatest QB's of all time and when it's all said and done he may become the greatest QB the game has ever seen.  But considering that he will have to play a few more years to be the best at his position and Sharpe is the best now, I'm going with Sharpe....Ask me the question in 7-10 years and I may change my answer....
Sharpe is VERY debateable as the greatest TE end. Never heard of Kellen Winslow? Ozzie Newsome? Did Shannon Sharpe ever block?Sharpe has all of the stats and records but I do not think he is a clear cut greatest of all time.
Any "greatest ever" is up for debate.Greatest QB? Montana would get the most votes, but it wouldn't be a majority

Greatest DE? You would have pretty compelling arguments for Reggie White, Bruce Smith and Deacon Jones I'm betting

Greatest RB? A majority would likely say Jim Brown but it's by no means an open and shut case in many fans eyes

A better question would be how many NFL positions have a clear cut "best ever?"

WR -- Jerry Rice
LB -- Lawrence Taylor?
PK -- Jan Stenerud?
P -- Ray Guy
Dude, Please. Take that ? down from LT. There was, and will NEVER be a better LB than him. He changed the games he played in AND the game of football.Ask Bill Parcells AND Joe Gibbs.

LT is the greatest defensive player ever. And no, I'm not a Giants fan, but I did watch him play his entire career. And yes Reggie White was great. But LT changed the game.......

Much as Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, John Hannah, Bill Walsh et al changed their parts of the game.

 
my list of best ever by position would likely look like this:

QB - Montana

RB - Brown

WR - Rice

TE - Sharpe

OL - Munoz

DL - White

OLB - Taylor

ILB - Butkus

CB - Night Train

S - Lott

 
L.B. Butkis, Ham, Singletary, Nitschke, all have better claims in my mind. Yes Taylor could rush the passer and pursue from the back side. He was a force to reckoned with, but he did not absolutely terrorize other teams. There is a difference between scheme disruption and actual terror.
This is very misguided. LT was a force to be reckoned with that teams had to game plan for. He changed the entire dynamic of a game by himself.
 
As things stand now, Priest Holmes followed by Rod Smith.

In 5-10 years, I expect Tom Brady and Antonio Gates to have replaced them at the top.

 
As things stand now, Priest Holmes followed by Rod Smith.

In 5-10 years, I expect Tom Brady and Antonio Gates to have replaced them at the top.
What on Earth has Priest Holmes done to warrant mention? Last time I checked, Larry Johnson stepped in for Priest and was actually more dominant in the same scheme. He has no rings, his cumulative stat totals are uninspiring b/c of his time as a backup. What am I missing here?But the main reason he shouldn't be on this list is because, his productive years came on the Chiefs, he was signed out of college by the Ravens. This is about the "Best NFL Draft Pick"...he was neither an NFL draft pick nor significantly productive for his first team.

 
He is on pace to obliterate Sharpe's records but his numbers have been declining as of the last couple of years.
You really should check before you make such outlandish statements. In 2004, Gonzalez had the most receptions and most yardage of his career, and in 2005 he had 78 receptions (#3 for his career) and 905 yards (#5). In the past two years he's averaged 5.6 receptions per game, 67.5 yards per game, and 0.3 TDs per game; if that's a decline, it's still better than anything Sharpe ever put up.Gates is also likely to challenge Sharpe's numbers over time, but he's quite a bit further away. Gates is ahead of Gonzo's pace, but not by nearly as much as he's ahead of Sharpe's pace.

 
This is about the "Best NFL Draft Pick"...he was neither an NFL draft pick
this would render all undrafted players ineligible thenI think I voted for Gates but I didn't really put much thought into it and figured nearly everybody would vote for Brady. I just think it's impressive that Gates didn't even play college football and only played basketball at a mid-major, yet he's now such a force (and I'm obviously projecting him to have continued success going forward). Tom Brady was the QB at Michigan, who have a pretty solid record of producing NFL QBs over the past 10 years or so. He'll certainly go down as one of the best QBs ever and possibly the biggest draft steal. Still, Gates just completely came out of nowhere.
 

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