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It should be.Hmmmm, how this isn't Tom Brady and then Everyone Else is beyond me
3 time SB Winning QB >>>> Best ever (debatable) TE.
Sharpe is the only other player worthy of votes on this list, and agree that he deserves some measure of recognition. But to come away with a 3-time SB winning QB in the 6th round, particularly on a team that was perceived to have few if any other offensive stars, is the stuff of legend.
No, but I remember how Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary looked too. Not 2K yds, but pretty darn good.EDIT to add: I think the more interesting poll would be to take 7th or later... Holmes would certainly get a lot of love, but I discount him a lot for not benefitting the team that drafted him as much. (Not that personal loyalties play into this at all...)
And, much as TD was a stud...he had Shannon Sharpe (someone we've already talked about being one of the best, if not the best, at his position in league history) and John Elway alongside him.
Sharpe is VERY debateable as the greatest TE end. Never heard of Kellen Winslow? Ozzie Newsome? Did Shannon Sharpe ever block?Sharpe has all of the stats and records but I do not think he is a clear cut greatest of all time.
Any "greatest ever" is up for debate.Greatest QB? Montana would get the most votes, but it wouldn't be a majority
Without TD, neither Elway nor Sharpe has a single ring.
Sharpe won a ring without Davis, as a Raven
We've now had 10 different players with votes, so I guess it's not as open and shut as it first appeared . . .It should be.Hmmmm, how this isn't Tom Brady and then Everyone Else is beyond me
Anyone that's participated in the Babe Bracket knows that our forums have dissenters no matter how open and shut the discussion should beWe've now had 10 different players with votes, so I guess it's not as open and shut as it first appeared . . .It should be.Hmmmm, how this isn't Tom Brady and then Everyone Else is beyond me
Butkus belongs in this conversation, IMO.
We just had no idea so many people with inaccurate opinions would show up.We've now had 10 different players with votes, so I guess it's not as open and shut as it first appeared . . .It should be.Hmmmm, how this isn't Tom Brady and then Everyone Else is beyond me
Yep, Sharp won a ring with Dilfer/Q.Ismail/B.Stokely/Rookie RB (although they did have the Padre on the bench as well)Without TD, neither Elway nor Sharpe has a single ring.
Hey Mungo...bad use of emoticons on my part. I didn't mean to imply it as a question, but rather contest TheLaw's erroneous statement that Sharpe and Elway never won a single ring without TD.Yep, Sharp won a ring with Dilfer/Q.Ismail/B.Stokely/Rookie RB (although they did have the Padre on the bench as well)Without TD, neither Elway nor Sharpe has a single ring.
Shouldn't you at least be one of the five or six best players of your generation at your position to get a vote?I voted for Rod SmithWe've now had 10 different players with votes, so I guess it's not as open and shut as it first appeared . . .It should be.Hmmmm, how this isn't Tom Brady and then Everyone Else is beyond me
yepfrom 95 to 05 (his generation), Smith is 4th in receptions and 4th in receiving yardsShouldn't you at least be one of the five or six best players of your generation at your position to get a vote?I voted for Rod SmithWe've now had 10 different players with votes, so I guess it's not as open and shut as it first appeared . . .It should be.Hmmmm, how this isn't Tom Brady and then Everyone Else is beyond me
my bad. I was just thinking of Denver.Without TD, neither Elway nor Sharpe has a single ring.
That's a fair point.
The stats aren't even in Sharpe's favor.In 203 games, Sharpe averaged 4.01 catches, 49.6 yards, and 0.3 TDs per game.
Yet he only played in 109 games. Who's to say that if he played in 203 games that he would've kept those numbers up at the same pace he did for the 109 games he played...How many SB rings did KW have? How many Pro Bowls?
He is on pace to obliterate Sharpe's records but his numbers have been declining as of the last couple of years. BTW, Gates is on pace to obliterate Gonzo's numbers. But until they do it nothing changes. Part of what makes Sharpe great is that he did it for so long. Longevity is part of what makes a player great. In the case of a player like Ripken Junior, it's the only thing that made him great...
W.R. Don Hudson- far better T.D. to games played ratio and done in a time when the NFL still allowed defense.L.B. Butkis, Ham, Singletary, Nitschke, all have better claims in my mind. Yes Taylor could rush the passer and pursue from the back side. He was a force to reckoned with, but he did not absolutely terrorize other teams. There is a difference between scheme disruption and actual terror.
Dude, Please. Take that ? down from LT. There was, and will NEVER be a better LB than him. He changed the games he played in AND the game of football.Ask Bill Parcells AND Joe Gibbs.
This is very misguided. LT was a force to be reckoned with that teams had to game plan for. He changed the entire dynamic of a game by himself.
What on Earth has Priest Holmes done to warrant mention? Last time I checked, Larry Johnson stepped in for Priest and was actually more dominant in the same scheme. He has no rings, his cumulative stat totals are uninspiring b/c of his time as a backup. What am I missing here?But the main reason he shouldn't be on this list is because, his productive years came on the Chiefs, he was signed out of college by the Ravens. This is about the "Best NFL Draft Pick"...he was neither an NFL draft pick nor significantly productive for his first team.
You really should check before you make such outlandish statements. In 2004, Gonzalez had the most receptions and most yardage of his career, and in 2005 he had 78 receptions (#3 for his career) and 905 yards (#5). In the past two years he's averaged 5.6 receptions per game, 67.5 yards per game, and 0.3 TDs per game; if that's a decline, it's still better than anything Sharpe ever put up.Gates is also likely to challenge Sharpe's numbers over time, but he's quite a bit further away. Gates is ahead of Gonzo's pace, but not by nearly as much as he's ahead of Sharpe's pace.
this would render all undrafted players ineligible thenI think I voted for Gates but I didn't really put much thought into it and figured nearly everybody would vote for Brady. I just think it's impressive that Gates didn't even play college football and only played basketball at a mid-major, yet he's now such a force (and I'm obviously projecting him to have continued success going forward). Tom Brady was the QB at Michigan, who have a pretty solid record of producing NFL QBs over the past 10 years or so. He'll certainly go down as one of the best QBs ever and possibly the biggest draft steal. Still, Gates just completely came out of nowhere.
