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Best Lions QB of the last 20 years (1 Viewer)

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  • Joey Harrington

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charlie Batch

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  • Gus Frerotte

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  • Scott Mitchell

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dave Krieg

    Votes: 1 100.0%
  • Rodney Peete

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Erik Kramer

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Bob Gagliano

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Chuck Long

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  • Rusty Hilger

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azgroover

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I like Kramer just because he did the unthinkable and actually won a playoff game. However, the team was rolling along with Peete that year until he got hurt. Mitchell put up some great numbers...once.

 
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You didn't include the correct answer:  Eric Hipple.
That was one fabulous Monday night game.Too bad it was only one fabulous Monday night game.

 
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How can anyone say Erik Kramer? Let's just look at the numbers:Erik Kramer with the Lions:| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD || 1991 det | 13 | 136 265 51.3 1635 6.2 11 8 | 35 26 1 || 1992 det | 7 | 58 106 54.7 771 7.3 4 8 | 12 34 0 || 1993 det | 5 | 87 138 63.0 1002 7.3 8 3 | 10 5 0 |Scott Mitchell with the Lions:| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD || 1994 det | 9 | 119 246 48.4 1456 5.9 10 11 | 15 24 1 || 1995 det | 16 | 346 583 59.3 4338 7.4 32 12 | 36 104 4 || 1996 det | 14 | 253 437 57.9 2917 6.7 17 17 | 37 83 4 || 1997 det | 16 | 293 509 57.6 3484 6.8 19 14 | 37 83 1 || 1998 det | 2 | 38 75 50.7 452 6.0 1 3 | 7 30 0 |Eric Hipple:| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD || 1980 det | 15 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 0 0 0 || 1981 det | 16 | 140 279 50.2 2358 8.5 14 15 | 41 168 7 || 1982 det | 9 | 36 86 41.9 411 4.8 2 4 | 10 57 0 || 1983 det | 16 | 204 387 52.7 2577 6.7 12 18 | 41 171 3 || 1984 det | 8 | 16 38 42.1 246 6.5 1 1 | 2 3 0 || 1985 det | 16 | 223 406 54.9 2952 7.3 17 18 | 32 89 2 || 1986 det | 16 | 192 305 63.0 1919 6.3 9 11 | 16 46 0 || 1988 det | 5 | 12 27 44.4 158 5.9 0 0 | 1 5 0 || 1989 det | 1 | 7 18 38.9 90 5.0 0 3 | 2 11 1 |Mitchell had 3 decent seasons, one of them outstanding.Like him or hate him ... It it is Mitchell in a landslide.

 
Kramer never stayed healthy enough to see what he could do over an extended period of time.Hipple, I just can't vote for Scott Mitchell.

 
How can anyone say Erik Kramer? Let's just look at the numbers:

Erik Kramer with the Lions:

| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |

| 1991 det | 13 | 136 265 51.3 1635 6.2 11 8 | 35 26 1 |

| 1992 det | 7 | 58 106 54.7 771 7.3 4 8 | 12 34 0 |

| 1993 det | 5 | 87 138 63.0 1002 7.3 8 3 | 10 5 0 |

Scott Mitchell with the Lions:

| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |

| 1994 det | 9 | 119 246 48.4 1456 5.9 10 11 | 15 24 1 |

| 1995 det | 16 | 346 583 59.3 4338 7.4 32 12 | 36 104 4 |

| 1996 det | 14 | 253 437 57.9 2917 6.7 17 17 | 37 83 4 |

| 1997 det | 16 | 293 509 57.6 3484 6.8 19 14 | 37 83 1 |

| 1998 det | 2 | 38 75 50.7 452 6.0 1 3 | 7 30 0 |

Eric Hipple:

| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |

| 1980 det | 15 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 0 0 0 |

| 1981 det | 16 | 140 279 50.2 2358 8.5 14 15 | 41 168 7 |

| 1982 det | 9 | 36 86 41.9 411 4.8 2 4 | 10 57 0 |

| 1983 det | 16 | 204 387 52.7 2577 6.7 12 18 | 41 171 3 |

| 1984 det | 8 | 16 38 42.1 246 6.5 1 1 | 2 3 0 |

| 1985 det | 16 | 223 406 54.9 2952 7.3 17 18 | 32 89 2 |

| 1986 det | 16 | 192 305 63.0 1919 6.3 9 11 | 16 46 0 |

| 1988 det | 5 | 12 27 44.4 158 5.9 0 0 | 1 5 0 |

| 1989 det | 1 | 7 18 38.9 90 5.0 0 3 | 2 11 1 |

Mitchell had 3 decent seasons, one of them outstanding.

Like him or hate him ... It it is Mitchell in a landslide.
With the Lions, we're not exactly comparing Steve Young with Joe Montana. I think the poll shows alot of Lions fans have a soft spot for Kramer just due to the fact that he did what no one has done in the last 50 years. Mitchell had his chance on a couple of occasions, but he was just awful in the playoff games he played.
 
Kramer never stayed healthy enough to see what he could do over an extended period of time.

Hipple, I just can't vote for Scott Mitchell.
Only Hipples last 3 years count in this "last 20 years". Combined in those 3 years, 9 TDs, 14 INTs.Mitchell has 32 TDs in 1995.

 
How can anyone say Erik Kramer?  Let's
With the Lions, we're not exactly comparing Steve Young with Joe Montana. I think the poll shows alot of Lions fans have a soft spot for Kramer just due to the fact that he did what no one has done in the last 50 years. Mitchell had his chance on a couple of occasions, but he was just awful in the playoff games he played.
But look at Kramers numbers ... they arent good.
 
Kramer won amidst the Wayne Fontes madness. azgroover said it. He QBd the Lions only playoff win in.. oh... 50+ years against Dallas. He was on fire, too... 29 for 38, 341 yds, 3 TD, 0 INT.

 
Kramer won amidst the Wayne Fontes madness.

azgroover said it. He QBd the Lions only playoff win in.. oh... 50+ years against Dallas. He was on fire, too... 29 for 38, 341 yds, 3 TD, 0 INT.
Solid argument. But I'll give it to a guy that had an awesome season as compared to a guy that had an awesome game.Dilfer has won playoffs games.

 
Batch. The team around him was horrible.
No Batch was terrible.
| Passing | Rushing |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| 1998 det | 12 | 173 303 57.1 2178 7.2 11 6 | 41 229 1 |

| 1999 det | 11 | 151 270 55.9 1957 7.2 13 7 | 28 87 2 |

| 2000 det | 15 | 221 412 53.6 2489 6.0 13 15 | 44 199 2 |

| 2001 det | 10 | 198 341 58.1 2392 7.0 12 12 | 12 45 0 |

Seasons among the league's top 10

Adjusted yards per pass: 1998-9, 1999-8

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BatcCh00.htm

Not quite what I would call terrible. Not great by any means, but not terrible.

He did have one year with Barry, but aside from him, those teams were horrendous.

 
Batch. The team around him was horrible.
No Batch was terrible.
| Passing | Rushing |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| 1998 det | 12 | 173 303 57.1 2178 7.2 11 6 | 41 229 1 |

| 1999 det | 11 | 151 270 55.9 1957 7.2 13 7 | 28 87 2 |

| 2000 det | 15 | 221 412 53.6 2489 6.0 13 15 | 44 199 2 |

| 2001 det | 10 | 198 341 58.1 2392 7.0 12 12 | 12 45 0 |

Seasons among the league's top 10

Adjusted yards per pass: 1998-9, 1999-8

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BatcCh00.htm

Not quite what I would call terrible. Not great by any means, but not terrible.

He did have one year with Barry, but aside from him, those teams were horrendous.
But how can you compare those to Mitchell's?| 1995 det | 16 | 346 583 59.3 4338 7.4 32 12 | 36 104 4 |

4338 Yards! :eek:

 
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But how can you compare those to Mitchell's?

| 1995 det | 16 | 346 583 59.3 4338 7.4 32 12 | 36 104 4 |

4338 Yards! :eek:
True, but Perriman, Moore and Morton were a nice trio, along with Barry and two pro-bowl linemen - Glover and Brown. Glover left when Batch came in, while Brown left in 96.Also, 583 attempts :eek:

Mitchell had a nice year, so I won't disregard those voting for him, it's fair.

I just believe if Batch had the same caliber players, he would have done better.

Of course, he sucked in Pitt this year, so maybe not. :shrug:

 
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But how can you compare those to Mitchell's?

| 1995 det |  16 |  346  583  59.3  4338  7.4  32  12 |    36  104  4 |

4338 Yards! :eek:
True, but Perriman, Moore and Morton were a nice trio, along with Barry and two pro-bowl linemen - Glover and Brown. Glover left when Batch came in, while Brown left in 96.Also, 583 attempts :eek:

Mitchell had a nice year, so I won't disregard those voting for him, it's fair.

I just believe if Batch had the same caliber players, he would have done better.

Of course, he sucked in Pitt this year, so maybe not. :shrug:
Did they make Mitchell good or did Mitchell make them good?There was a lot of both. I'm almost 35 and Mitchell is the only weapon that the Lions have ever had at QB (that I've seen). Mitchell could win a game for you.

Mind you he could lose games for you too. But when he was on, like in 1995, he was awesome. Put Batch on that team, and there is NO WAY he comes close to those numbers.

Batch was the anti-Mitchell. He was not going to win games, he couldn't - but he wouldn't lose a game for you either. He took WAY too many sacks, and was basically a void at QB.

 
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But how can you compare those to Mitchell's?

| 1995 det | 16 | 346 583 59.3 4338 7.4 32 12 | 36 104 4 |

4338 Yards! :eek:
True, but Perriman, Moore and Morton were a nice trio, along with Barry and two pro-bowl linemen - Glover and Brown. Glover left when Batch came in, while Brown left in 96.Also, 583 attempts :eek:

Mitchell had a nice year, so I won't disregard those voting for him, it's fair.

I just believe if Batch had the same caliber players, he would have done better.

Of course, he sucked in Pitt this year, so maybe not. :shrug:
Did they make Mitchell good or did Mitchell make them good?There was a lot of both. I'm almost 35 and Mitchell is the only weapon that the Lions have ever had at QB (that I've seen). Mitchell could win a game for you.

Mind you he could lose games for you too. But when he was on, like in 1995, he was awesome. Put Batch on that team, and there is NO WAY he comes close to those numbers.

Batch was the anti-Mitchell. He was not going to win games, he couldn't - but he wouldn't lose a game for you either. He took WAY too many sacks, and was basically a void at QB.
I'm going to assume you actually were a Lions fan back then, but we saw things differently. I won't say Batch would put up 4,000 yards - his arm just isn't as strong, but IMO with a better team, he would have won more than Mitchell would have.He did take too many sacks, but with the line being rebuilt, that wasn't all his fault.

For your first question -

Lomas Brown was a 7-time Pro Bowler: 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996

Mitchell most certainly did not make Brown good. He was already one of the best in the league.

Kevin Glover was a 3-time Pro Bowler: 1995, 1996, 1997, so maybe Mitchell helped him, but from what I saw, Brown helped him if anyone did.

 
But how can you compare those to Mitchell's?

| 1995 det | 16 | 346 583 59.3 4338 7.4 32 12 | 36 104 4 |

4338 Yards! :eek:
True, but Perriman, Moore and Morton were a nice trio, along with Barry and two pro-bowl linemen - Glover and Brown. Glover left when Batch came in, while Brown left in 96.Also, 583 attempts :eek:

Mitchell had a nice year, so I won't disregard those voting for him, it's fair.

I just believe if Batch had the same caliber players, he would have done better.

Of course, he sucked in Pitt this year, so maybe not. :shrug:
In PIT he was 2-0 -- granted, his play wasnt anything to shout about and vs. GREEN BAY and CLEVELAND, but it was a hell of a lot better than Tommy Maddox's 0-2 debacles vs. RAVENS and JACKSONVILLE! :bag:
 
Although he was only QB for one partial season, Dave Krieg easily.Krieg was light years ahead of Mitchell in that '94 season, and his 94 numbers were actually even better than Mitchell's 95 - higher completion %, better Y/A, lower INT%, better rating.Krieg's late-season rally to take the Lions to the playoffs showcased just how great the surrounding talent was. Many QBs could have matched Mitchell's 95 in that offense. Had the Lions signed Warren Moon like they were supposed to instead of going after Mitchell, they might have won a Super Bowl.

 
:lmao: what a pathetic list
Yeah it is, it 's been unbelievable!I would have to say Eric Hipple. Someone who played just before him who might have been better and was a decent QB for Detroit was Gary Danielson. Those guys were about the same.

Scott Mitchell no matter what is numbers were was pathetic. Haven't we learned yet that you can't just put up stat lines for a season and determine who was better.

Erik Kramer didn't play long enough even though he was the winning QB in the only playoff game ever for the Lions. In fact, he didn't even play that entire season as Rodney Peete was there.

I still feel like Joey Harrington has a shot to be at the top of this list, just for the fact that he doesn't have to do all that much to get there.

 
Mitchell's reputation is worse than his play was - the guy had some good seasons.
No kidding. The guy was great for a few years. Then he went right in the tank. I'm not a big Mitchell fan as most people aren't. Whether he was part of the system or not, he was the best QB Detroit has seen in the last 20 years.Amazing that people remember Mitchells game vs. Cincy and the horrid interceptions that he threw. And they remember Hipples Monday night game.

What they don't remember is all the good games that Mitchell had and the very mediocre QB Hipple was.

And Erik Kramer barely played for the Lions. He was a better Bear.

 
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these results are whackscott mitchell should be winning this one in a boatrace

 

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