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Best Lions QB of the last 20 years (1 Viewer)
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DoctorDetroit
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No doubt about it.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Dang beat me to it.I'll say Stoney Case
How can anyone say Erik Kramer? Let's just look at the numbers:Erik Kramer with the Lions:| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD || 1991 det | 13 | 136 265 51.3 1635 6.2 11 8 | 35 26 1 || 1992 det | 7 | 58 106 54.7 771 7.3 4 8 | 12 34 0 || 1993 det | 5 | 87 138 63.0 1002 7.3 8 3 | 10 5 0 |Scott Mitchell with the Lions:| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD || 1994 det | 9 | 119 246 48.4 1456 5.9 10 11 | 15 24 1 || 1995 det | 16 | 346 583 59.3 4338 7.4 32 12 | 36 104 4 || 1996 det | 14 | 253 437 57.9 2917 6.7 17 17 | 37 83 4 || 1997 det | 16 | 293 509 57.6 3484 6.8 19 14 | 37 83 1 || 1998 det | 2 | 38 75 50.7 452 6.0 1 3 | 7 30 0 |Eric Hipple:| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD || 1980 det | 15 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 0 0 0 || 1981 det | 16 | 140 279 50.2 2358 8.5 14 15 | 41 168 7 || 1982 det | 9 | 36 86 41.9 411 4.8 2 4 | 10 57 0 || 1983 det | 16 | 204 387 52.7 2577 6.7 12 18 | 41 171 3 || 1984 det | 8 | 16 38 42.1 246 6.5 1 1 | 2 3 0 || 1985 det | 16 | 223 406 54.9 2952 7.3 17 18 | 32 89 2 || 1986 det | 16 | 192 305 63.0 1919 6.3 9 11 | 16 46 0 || 1988 det | 5 | 12 27 44.4 158 5.9 0 0 | 1 5 0 || 1989 det | 1 | 7 18 38.9 90 5.0 0 3 | 2 11 1 |Mitchell had 3 decent seasons, one of them outstanding.Like him or hate him ... It it is Mitchell in a landslide.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Kramer never stayed healthy enough to see what he could do over an extended period of time.Hipple, I just can't vote for Scott Mitchell.
azgroover
Footballguy
With the Lions, we're not exactly comparing Steve Young with Joe Montana. I think the poll shows alot of Lions fans have a soft spot for Kramer just due to the fact that he did what no one has done in the last 50 years. Mitchell had his chance on a couple of occasions, but he was just awful in the playoff games he played.
-OZ-
Footballguy
| Passing | Rushing |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1998 det | 12 | 173 303 57.1 2178 7.2 11 6 | 41 229 1 |
| 1999 det | 11 | 151 270 55.9 1957 7.2 13 7 | 28 87 2 |
| 2000 det | 15 | 221 412 53.6 2489 6.0 13 15 | 44 199 2 |
| 2001 det | 10 | 198 341 58.1 2392 7.0 12 12 | 12 45 0 |
Seasons among the league's top 10
Adjusted yards per pass: 1998-9, 1999-8
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BatcCh00.htm
Not quite what I would call terrible. Not great by any means, but not terrible.
He did have one year with Barry, but aside from him, those teams were horrendous.
-OZ-
Footballguy
True, but Perriman, Moore and Morton were a nice trio, along with Barry and two pro-bowl linemen - Glover and Brown. Glover left when Batch came in, while Brown left in 96.Also, 583 attemptsBut how can you compare those to Mitchell's?
| 1995 det | 16 | 346 583 59.3 4338 7.4 32 12 | 36 104 4 |
4338 Yards!
Mitchell had a nice year, so I won't disregard those voting for him, it's fair.
I just believe if Batch had the same caliber players, he would have done better.
Of course, he sucked in Pitt this year, so maybe not.
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Did they make Mitchell good or did Mitchell make them good?There was a lot of both. I'm almost 35 and Mitchell is the only weapon that the Lions have ever had at QB (that I've seen). Mitchell could win a game for you.True, but Perriman, Moore and Morton were a nice trio, along with Barry and two pro-bowl linemen - Glover and Brown. Glover left when Batch came in, while Brown left in 96.Also, 583 attemptsBut how can you compare those to Mitchell's?
| 1995 det | 16 | 346 583 59.3 4338 7.4 32 12 | 36 104 4 |
4338 Yards!
Mitchell had a nice year, so I won't disregard those voting for him, it's fair.
I just believe if Batch had the same caliber players, he would have done better.
Of course, he sucked in Pitt this year, so maybe not.
Mind you he could lose games for you too. But when he was on, like in 1995, he was awesome. Put Batch on that team, and there is NO WAY he comes close to those numbers.
Batch was the anti-Mitchell. He was not going to win games, he couldn't - but he wouldn't lose a game for you either. He took WAY too many sacks, and was basically a void at QB.
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-OZ-
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I'm going to assume you actually were a Lions fan back then, but we saw things differently. I won't say Batch would put up 4,000 yards - his arm just isn't as strong, but IMO with a better team, he would have won more than Mitchell would have.He did take too many sacks, but with the line being rebuilt, that wasn't all his fault.Did they make Mitchell good or did Mitchell make them good?There was a lot of both. I'm almost 35 and Mitchell is the only weapon that the Lions have ever had at QB (that I've seen). Mitchell could win a game for you.True, but Perriman, Moore and Morton were a nice trio, along with Barry and two pro-bowl linemen - Glover and Brown. Glover left when Batch came in, while Brown left in 96.Also, 583 attemptsBut how can you compare those to Mitchell's?
| 1995 det | 16 | 346 583 59.3 4338 7.4 32 12 | 36 104 4 |
4338 Yards!
Mitchell had a nice year, so I won't disregard those voting for him, it's fair.
I just believe if Batch had the same caliber players, he would have done better.
Of course, he sucked in Pitt this year, so maybe not.
Mind you he could lose games for you too. But when he was on, like in 1995, he was awesome. Put Batch on that team, and there is NO WAY he comes close to those numbers.
Batch was the anti-Mitchell. He was not going to win games, he couldn't - but he wouldn't lose a game for you either. He took WAY too many sacks, and was basically a void at QB.
For your first question -
Lomas Brown was a 7-time Pro Bowler: 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996
Mitchell most certainly did not make Brown good. He was already one of the best in the league.
Kevin Glover was a 3-time Pro Bowler: 1995, 1996, 1997, so maybe Mitchell helped him, but from what I saw, Brown helped him if anyone did.
The Hank
Footballguy
In PIT he was 2-0 -- granted, his play wasnt anything to shout about and vs. GREEN BAY and CLEVELAND, but it was a hell of a lot better than Tommy Maddox's 0-2 debacles vs. RAVENS and JACKSONVILLE!True, but Perriman, Moore and Morton were a nice trio, along with Barry and two pro-bowl linemen - Glover and Brown. Glover left when Batch came in, while Brown left in 96.Also, 583 attemptsBut how can you compare those to Mitchell's?
| 1995 det | 16 | 346 583 59.3 4338 7.4 32 12 | 36 104 4 |
4338 Yards!
Mitchell had a nice year, so I won't disregard those voting for him, it's fair.
I just believe if Batch had the same caliber players, he would have done better.
Of course, he sucked in Pitt this year, so maybe not.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Although he was only QB for one partial season, Dave Krieg easily.Krieg was light years ahead of Mitchell in that '94 season, and his 94 numbers were actually even better than Mitchell's 95 - higher completion %, better Y/A, lower INT%, better rating.Krieg's late-season rally to take the Lions to the playoffs showcased just how great the surrounding talent was. Many QBs could have matched Mitchell's 95 in that offense. Had the Lions signed Warren Moon like they were supposed to instead of going after Mitchell, they might have won a Super Bowl.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Yeah it is, it 's been unbelievable!I would have to say Eric Hipple. Someone who played just before him who might have been better and was a decent QB for Detroit was Gary Danielson. Those guys were about the same.what a pathetic list
Scott Mitchell no matter what is numbers were was pathetic. Haven't we learned yet that you can't just put up stat lines for a season and determine who was better.
Erik Kramer didn't play long enough even though he was the winning QB in the only playoff game ever for the Lions. In fact, he didn't even play that entire season as Rodney Peete was there.
I still feel like Joey Harrington has a shot to be at the top of this list, just for the fact that he doesn't have to do all that much to get there.
goldfinger
Footballguy
You could make an argument that Erik Kramer was the best Bears Qb of the last 20 years.
No kidding. The guy was great for a few years. Then he went right in the tank. I'm not a big Mitchell fan as most people aren't. Whether he was part of the system or not, he was the best QB Detroit has seen in the last 20 years.Amazing that people remember Mitchells game vs. Cincy and the horrid interceptions that he threw. And they remember Hipples Monday night game.
What they don't remember is all the good games that Mitchell had and the very mediocre QB Hipple was.
And Erik Kramer barely played for the Lions. He was a better Bear.
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DoctorDetroit
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People have been killed in Detroit for saying less than this. In fact a few yesterday!
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these results are whackscott mitchell should be winning this one in a boatrace
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