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Best team in the NFL after week 12 (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter BassNBrew
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ChiefD
Footballguy
I would have laugh emoji'd your poll.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
You spelled “Philadelphia Eagles” wrong.
ChiefD
Footballguy
laugh emoji for you too.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
I have a doctor’s note.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
--signed Epstein's motherI have a doctor’s note.
rockaction
Footballguy
I have a doctor’s note.
B.B. King and the New York Dolls have some
for that.Little pills for my legs
but that didn’t ache
tried a pill for my heart
but a little too late
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
They're the last team I saw playing well so I'm voting for them.
For all the accolades the Lions are getting, we should probably remember they just played the four AFC South teams in a five week span. Shut out all of them in the second half.
Upcoming:
- Bears, always a tough out
- Packers - TNF after Thanksgiving, third game in 11 days
- Bills - best team in the AFC
- at Bears - cold weather game
- at 49ers - who knows where they'll be at in 5 weeks; whatever you predict, it's probably wrong, things change fast
- Vikings - they ain't going away on their own; could be the flex SNF game for the Division Title/#1 seed
Injuries are piling up, especially on defense, over half their starters are banged up.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
What is this "foot-ball" ye speaketh of?
rockaction
Footballguy
I actually voted Lions. I’m convinced. Nobody is beating them in that dome on proper rest (see what I did there?).
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Didn't the Jets once start 10-1 and lose their last 5?
NFL seasons are really long.
rockaction
Footballguy
All very fair points. I’ll just say that every time I watch them (and the games are such blowouts I have to force myself to look at that part of the quad box on my television if it even makes the quad box) they’re moving at a different speed than the other team and with a ferocity I haven’t seen in a while.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
I got to see B.B. in concert at an outdoor venue in Mountain View. It was sad watching him hobble out and assiste into a chair on stage. But, man, what an entertainer!I have a doctor’s note.
B.B. King and the New York Dolls have some
Little pills for my legs
but that didn’t ache
tried a pill for my heart
but a little too late
His eyes shined when he talked about pulling out Lucille and he played like a virtuoso on a Stradivarius. I’ve only ever experienced being moved by music like that a handful of times. Legend!
rockaction
Footballguy
Think it was 8-1 or 9-1 and they stumbled into the playoffs and lost. Yes, tons can happen. See my reasoning above for voting Lions.
I can’t vote KC after the way they’ve been playing and with their still glaring weaknesses on offense. The Bills are suspect in their run defense. Philly needs a third receiver and a better passing game.
Lions are just the best right now. But things can change.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
That run game will translate well in the playoffs.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
They're on a bit of a revenge tour, for sure. Last night's locker room was different. Listening to r&b slow jams, no whopping or hollering, just TCB and let's get out of here.
They do a good job of not looking past anything. Been through enough pain to know what it's like to be the team with a losing record trying your hardest to turn a season around.
Hope they get pushed a few more times like the Vikings did. Overcoming adversity - and it's coming - is the real test, not the relentless pursuit of perfection when you're scoring every drive.
rockaction
Footballguy
It sure will. I just think they’re by far the most complete team going. I’ve never been down too harshly on Jared Goff (I don’t think I’ve devoted a whole lot of time to assessing him, something I think is a futile task anyway—what the heck am I going to tell NFL evaluators about a QB?), but he seems the weakest link in the chain of strength that is Detroit. And he’s playing lights out, so . . .
Love the fact there are people who still doubt the Lions. It's awesome.
Everyone has an opinion my friend
That's mine
Not doubting The Lions
Just think right now
On a neutral field
Eagles beat them
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Which team has beaten the Lions?
That would be a good choice for best team in the NFL because you know they beat the best
That would be a good choice for best team in the NFL because you know they beat the best
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
IDK - it's pretty close
PFF grades (
Overall - Det 1st, Phi 2nd
Offense - Det 2nd, Phi
Defense - Phi 1st, Det 2nd
Special Teams - Det 2nd, Phi
Passing - Det 13th, Phi 23rd
PassBlk - Det 16th, PHI
Receiving - Det 1st, Phi
Rushing - Det
RunBlk - Det 2nd, Phi
RunDef - Det
Tackling - Det 6th, Phi 10th
PassRush - Det 4th, PHI 2nd (Lions w/out Hutch, Eagles w/out Graham)
Coverage - Det 3rd, Phi 1st
DVOA, Detroit is ahead of everyone, but after yesterday's lackluster game, it will be closer than after Week 11.
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TampaMike19
Footballguy
Think the Eagles beat the Lions on a neutral field. So every game is paramount for both these teams to achieve #1 seed. Barkley is the x-factor and the Eagles defense, especially DB's, are young enough to cause problems.
Lions get #1 seed, Lions win.
Lions get #1 seed, Lions win.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
if they keep playing the way they are and barring some terrible injury, nobody is beating the Birds with any consistency. I'd be wary of playing in Detroit and they'd probably lose but if they could get homefield the Eagles will be in the SB.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
Lifelong Philadelphia Eagles fan here, almost 60 years old.
Voted: Detroit Lions
I have a medical condition I don't feel like explaining.
Nevertheless, it is very clear to me that the Lions are the more complete team right now. The Eagles are close but, as @rockaction mentioned they could use a reliable WR3. In addition, as much as I like Jalen Hurts my biggest criticism is that he abandons the pocket too soon, too often. This either leads to unnecessary sacks or wasted plays more often than successful completions or scrambles.
Voted: Detroit Lions
I have a medical condition I don't feel like explaining.
Nevertheless, it is very clear to me that the Lions are the more complete team right now. The Eagles are close but, as @rockaction mentioned they could use a reliable WR3. In addition, as much as I like Jalen Hurts my biggest criticism is that he abandons the pocket too soon, too often. This either leads to unnecessary sacks or wasted plays more often than successful completions or scrambles.
Ardbeg4ever
Footballguy
I think the Lions play the Vikings at home but to your point they wouldn't have to play horribly to lose 3 games.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The 1986 Jets started 10-1, lost their final 5 games by an average of 24 points. They beat the Chiefs in the Wild Card round and then lost to the Browns in OT.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Thanks, knew it happened in my lifetime....I was deployed overseas that season, we watched whatever games mom recorded each week.
Runkle
Footballguy
No doubt Eagles are looking good but their schedule got really soft. Against the other playoff teams, it won't be as easy.
edit to add: the clock mismanagement at the end of the half yesterday is a concern... I could see the coaching and play calling being a weakness and potential deciding factor against stronger opponents when the postseason starts.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Lions > bills > eagles > chiefs > Steelers = ravens
Like many years, I find myself thinking that the Ravens will be in the Super Bowl.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Lets just say that Lions and Eagles sweep their division, Lions have a tough opponent in the Buffalo but the Eagles have the Ravens and Steelers. So that neutral field thing doesn't seem likely.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The Giants let Saquon leave.
The Titans let King Henry leave.
The Raiders let Josh Jacobs leave.
Those 3 teams are a combined 7-26.
Those 3 RBs’ teams are a combined 24-9.
The Titans let King Henry leave.
The Raiders let Josh Jacobs leave.
Those 3 teams are a combined 7-26.
Those 3 RBs’ teams are a combined 24-9.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Yes, but how good would those teams be if they had stayed?
Correlation <> causation and all that.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
In real life, just as in fantasy, don't give up your bona-fide stud for nothing. Better yet, don't give him up, at all.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
Better than they currently are.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Also beat the packers in Wisconsin.
Goedert is better than most 3rd options. But not better than the lions.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Having a good running back isn't going to hurt your chances of getting to SB but it hardly seems necessary.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
As much as I like all 3, I’m not sure they’d have more wins. At least not enough to make a difference.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
NYG, TEN, and LVR have QB issues. They averaged 6.7 wins last year and are trending toward 4.6 this season.
PHI, BAL, and GBP were all solid teams last year, averaging out to 11-6. This year those teams are trending to win 12.4 games.
Bottom line, their old teams weren’t great and still aren’t great without them. And their new teams were good last year and are still good this year.
-OZ-
Footballguy
this makes logical sense imo. All 3 can take good teams and make them great, or horrible teams and make them slightly less horrible.I love the idea of Saquon or Henry as MVP, but they probably won’t get votes. PROBABLY for OPOY.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
If we want real answers, someone needs to ask Kirk Heirbstreit who he thinks aren't serious contenders in the NFC.
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unckeyherb
Footballguy
Is it? Nick Sirriani is 44-22 (.667) since taking the HC job, Dan Campbell is 41-35-1 (.539) so three more wins in eleven less games. He has made the playoffs every year he's been HC. The team he took over was a 4-11-1 disaster and the next year they were a playoff team.
Offensively, They are damn near the same. Lions total yards is 4,337 and the birds are 4,280. Lions have 500 more yards passing, Eagles have 500 yards more rushing. Lions have scored 360 points and the Birds have scored 296, so slight edge there.
Defensively, I don't think there is a question the Eagles are as good or better-especially since the bye week in week 4. They're allowing a league-low 274 ypg, compared to Detroit at 322, they allow 50 ypg less on the ground and almost exactly the same through the air. The Lions have allowed 183 total point compared to the Eagles having allowed 199-so 16 total point difference.
You may be right that the coaching is better, but I don't see an argument that its miles ahead of Philly. At all.
Stats show that the lions are better than the eagles in most statistical categories, the lions have the better record will have HFA in the playoffs if that holds. I think it’s fair to say that the running game is the engine for both teams (the addition of Barkley has been THE difference in Philly this year, IMO) & the Lions are better equipped to deal with an injury there. If either QB goes down, his team is screwed, so that’s a push. Philly could lose a stud WR and be. Enter off than if the lions lose ARSB (although I’d argue the lions could better withstand losing Williamson more than the eagles without Smith; but that’s pretty close, IMO). Detroit has already lost 2 defensive keys and they’re still winning. Not sure the same can be said if the eagles lose 1-2 stud defenders.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
I don’t know. What I can tell you is that this defense was maybe the worst defense in the league last year and now it’s number one across the number of categories.Stats show that the lions are better than the eagles in most statistical categories, the lions have the better record will have HFA in the playoffs if that holds. I think it’s fair to say that the running game is the engine for both teams (the addition of Barkley has been THE difference in Philly this year, IMO) & the Lions are better equipped to deal with an injury there. If either QB goes down, his team is screwed, so that’s a push. Philly could lose a stud WR and be. Enter off than if the lions lose ARSB (although I’d argue the lions could better withstand losing Williamson more than the eagles without Smith; but that’s pretty close, IMO). Detroit has already lost 2 defensive keys and they’re still winning. Not sure the same can be said if the eagles lose 1-2 stud defenders.
My only point is that I think it’s crazy to say the coaching is miles ahead.
I get that people don’t like Sirriani but he is an exceptional coach that the players all love. Very similar to MCDC.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Technically true (the best kind of being right) but lacks context.
- 5-7 with Miami 13 years ago
- 4-19-1 (0-11-1 on the road) through Y2 Week 8 of a complete rebuild
- 32-9 since Halloween 2022; 16-4 at home, 16-5 on the road
