sihaokills
Footballguy
So I have been thinking which real NFL team's players are best for fantasy. The Eagles obviously come to mind with Desean, Maclin, McCoy, and Vick. I personally like the Texans and Eagles at this but what is your guys take?
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sihaokills
Footballguy
Chargers: Ryan Matthews, Rivers, VJax, Gates great teamPackers: Rodgers, Jennings, Finley no RBSaints: Brees, Ingram, Colston, Graham not bad These 3 are good but look at the TexansFoster, Schaub, Dre Johnson, Daniels stud teamEagles: Vick, McCoy, Desean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin
I didnt necessarily mean those teams were better, just deserved to be mentioned. I would take the Chargers over the Eagles though. Starks has a chance to make the Packers the best. Rodgers is the best QB of the bunuch. Finley likely the best TE, and Jennings is better than all the WR's other than AJ. A top 15 finish by Starks and the Packers are easily #1. The Texans probably are right now(if we are talking redraft) but they also have the worst TE//#2 WR and the worst QB of the bunch.Assuming we are talking non-ppr:QB's1.Rodgers2.Rivers3.Brees4.Vick5.SchaubRB's1.Foster2.Mathews2.Ingram2.Mccoy5.StarksWR's1.AJohnson2.Jennings3.Desean4.Vjax5.ColstonTE's/#2 WR1.Finley1.Gates3.Maclin4.Graham5.Daniels
sihaokills
Footballguy
So what's your rankings in terms of teams??
eakfootball
Footballguy
That Starks comment is crazy IMO. I think he has reached his ceiling as an NFL back. I prefer Alex Green to him.
What comment was so crazy, and is it any crazier than saying a guy who has played less than half of a season has reached his celing? Even if that was his ceiling, its likely higher than Alex Green will ever be. Want to bet who gets more touches this season? Starks or Green? PM me if interested.
identikit
Footballguy
They are all about even, really only few teams that I would consider above anyone else, also why would the saints even be considered, they have one player that who does consistently their QB everyone else is typically 2nd to 3rd tier, even the pats have better AVG players.
Falcons:
White, Turner, Gonzalez, Jones, Ryan
Packers:
Rodgers, Jennings, Finley, Driver, Grant
Eagles:
Vick, McCoy, Desean, Maclin, Celek
Chargers (assuming VJax stays):
Rivers, Gates, VJax, Tolbert, Mathews
Chiefs (surprisingly, im completely down on them. Full disclosure, I live in missouri):
Charles, Bowe, Jones, Cassel, Moeaki
Texans (barely):
Foster, Johnson, Daniels, Schaub
Falcons:
White, Turner, Gonzalez, Jones, Ryan
Packers:
Rodgers, Jennings, Finley, Driver, Grant
Eagles:
Vick, McCoy, Desean, Maclin, Celek
Chargers (assuming VJax stays):
Rivers, Gates, VJax, Tolbert, Mathews
Chiefs (surprisingly, im completely down on them. Full disclosure, I live in missouri):
Charles, Bowe, Jones, Cassel, Moeaki
Texans (barely):
Foster, Johnson, Daniels, Schaub
by_the_sea_wannabe
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Steelers with Ben, Mendenhall, Wallace and the defense should be mentioned.
Only issue with this is difference in the 1 to 5's. I see the WR as the least difference from top to bottom, followed by QB, TE and than RB is way behind. Plus in any league, McCoy is an easy #2 at RB. Some would have Vick as #1 QB.
Add in Heath who is servicable TE and Ward who is good $3 WR in fantasy terms
What does consistency have to do with anything? That would eliminate alot of players, like Foster, Mccoy, etc. Brees is a #1 QB. Ingram is a low end #1/high end #2 RB. I would likely take him over Mccoy in a non-ppr. Colston has consistently neem a top 20 WR with a couple WR1 finishes. Jimmy Graham is an easy #1 TE this year. Only 6-7 guys i would take over him.
I find it funny that Ingram doesnt qualify but you listed Thomas Jones. Plus, Moeaki over Graham?
I was typing too fast and for some reason left out "Consistently #1 numbers", that was the basis on which I posted my information, you could pick 5 fantasy relevent players on every team in the NFL I was just posting the ones with Consistent #1 numbers. Also, Fosters was consistent for the entirety of last year, thats consistent enough. Thomas Jones is an easy Qualifier Because he is in a 50/50 time share (which people will argue till the end of time) and still puts up better numbers than Pierre Thomas' best year in NO. Which makes me think Ingram will do better then PT but is yet to be seen. Also your right about Moeaki I only put him on there because he is a good young TE, so is Graham, but I dont think Graham will even finish top 10 in TEs in 2011 (nor will Moeaki, just couldnt think of a 5th KC player and he was closest comparably to the field). Just my personal opinion.
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eakfootball
Footballguy
Don't get me wrong Starks did have a very good end of the year, but you can't expect him to top that for a full season. He is a good back, but he does not change an offense. You said he has the ability to make them #1, if the packers are #1 it will not be because of James Starks. I don't see how anyone can expect more than 750 yards 4 TDs from him, and while that is solid it does not make a team the top fantasy producer, since the packer's team rushing stats would likely not be much different if Starks got all the carries or if Grant did.
Whats after the next step? Mediocrity?
gianmarco
Footballguy
Yeah, a guy with a career 5.3 ypc and is coming off a 50 catch season and almost 1300 total yards after only getting the starting job in week 10 is headed for mediocrity if he improves.
The ONLY thing missing is the TDs.Even without felix, Romo/Austin/Dez/Witten is a solid 4some. Easily rivals any of the above.
Starks wouldnt make them the #1, Rodgers, Jennings, and Finley would. Of the listed teams, they have the #1 QB, #2 WR, and #1 TE.. Starks only needs to put up decent/good numbers for the Pack to have the best 4 FF commodities. There is a chance that Starks splits the touches 50/50 with Grant. Asssumigng Starks sees anything over 60% of the RB touches in GB this season, the numbers you listed would likely be his floor. Obviously i am a fan of Starks, and have already spent too much time discussing him over the last year, and dont want to rehash it all in here. Starks wasnt even really supoose to play last year, and after considering what he did in the playoffs on the road through out, i would say it is safe to assume he hasnt peaked.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
3.9 yard average is that impressive?
Clifford
Footballguy
Instead of looking at teams with he most players we know of that are elite, it's probably more useful to look at what teams are most likely to finish the season in the top 10 in offense. Total yards and tds. Those teams are more likely to produce good backups that can be had cheap.
2010
San Diego Chargers
Philadelphia Eagles
Houston Texans
Indianapolis Colts
New York Giants
New Orleans Saints
Dallas Cowboys
New England Patriots
Green Bay
Oakland Raiders
2009
New Orleans Saints
Dallas Cowboys
New England Patriots
Houston
Minnesota Vikings
Green Bay Packers
Pittsburgh Steelers
New York Giants
Indianapolis Colts
San Diego Chargers
2008
New Orleans
Denver
Houston Texans
Arizona Cardinals
New England Patriots
Atlanta
New York Giants
Green Bay Packers
Philadelphia Eagles
Carolina Panthers
So basically saints, packers, patriots, giants, eagles, colts, texans, and cowboys and chargers look very safe to field several useful fantasy players. These teams have been top ten (with a few exceptions) in total yardage forthe past three years. There are some value players to be had on all, that will prObably outperform higher-priced longshots on less proficient teams.
Specifically
Meachem
Jimmy Graham
Ingram
Grant
Any gb receiver not named Finley or jennings
Edelman
Hernandez
Steve smith
Tolbert
Choice
Owen daniels
2010
San Diego Chargers
Philadelphia Eagles
Houston Texans
Indianapolis Colts
New York Giants
New Orleans Saints
Dallas Cowboys
New England Patriots
Green Bay
Oakland Raiders
2009
New Orleans Saints
Dallas Cowboys
New England Patriots
Houston
Minnesota Vikings
Green Bay Packers
Pittsburgh Steelers
New York Giants
Indianapolis Colts
San Diego Chargers
2008
New Orleans
Denver
Houston Texans
Arizona Cardinals
New England Patriots
Atlanta
New York Giants
Green Bay Packers
Philadelphia Eagles
Carolina Panthers
So basically saints, packers, patriots, giants, eagles, colts, texans, and cowboys and chargers look very safe to field several useful fantasy players. These teams have been top ten (with a few exceptions) in total yardage forthe past three years. There are some value players to be had on all, that will prObably outperform higher-priced longshots on less proficient teams.
Specifically
Meachem
Jimmy Graham
Ingram
Grant
Any gb receiver not named Finley or jennings
Edelman
Hernandez
Steve smith
Tolbert
Choice
Owen daniels
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captain_amazing
Footballguy
Does anyone have the ability to pull each nfl teams' total fantasy points for 2010 using the most standard league rules? I'm sure most of the teams discussed already would be top 10, but I'd like to see what the stats say.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Agreed...adds to the Packers too with their D.
sho nuff
Footballguy
So if the offense would not be much different if Starks got the carries or if Grant did...should we pencil Starks in for 1200 yards? Since that is what a healthy Grant has been putting up in that offense?That said, I think GB will be a full on RBBC. Grant is a very capable back in that offense and I don't think Starks will make him completely disappear.Green...meh this year. Better learn to block quick.
cr8f
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He reached his ceiling in five or six NFL games?
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
re: Starks
This would be higher if he didn't run 25 times to kill the clock in the ATL game.
adrenaline
Footballguy
I like the Giants in an IDP league. 
massraider
Footballguy
Bizarre statement.'Dr. Octopus said:
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
He had 9 rushing attempts while the Packers were tied or trailing early in this game, he gained 14 yards from them.9 carries for 14 yards= 1.55 YPC'Chicago Hooligan said:
It never ceases to amaze me how many people will jugde a RB by only their YPC, especially with only a handful of games. Starks 3.9 YPC on the road against the Eagles, Falcons and Bears and against the Steelers(home or away) is more than the 3.5 YPC those teams gave up during the 2010 season. That means he is .4 YPC better than the average NFL RB. Thats pretty impressive to me.'benson_will_lead_the_way said:
Its porbably not a good idea to use a players YPC alone to determine future success, Lagarette Blount averaged 5.0 YPC and Ray Rice only 4.0 last year.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
The more I look at it, he wasn't really good after the first playoff game.
But the part where they won the Super Bowl makes me not really care about this stuff at all.
But the part where they won the Super Bowl makes me not really care about this stuff at all.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I've watched every game Starks has played in the NFL(and I live in Wisconsin), so I'm judging him on much more than YPC.I'm judging him as a RB that had fresh legs vs defenses that had been worn down all year. Don't think that matters? See Joe McKnight in week 17, Jerome Harrison in 2009 or Shonn Greene in the playoffs, heck even Timmy Smith with the Redskins was great in the playoffs and then stunk.
You can believe Starks is something he isn't, but the Packers drafted a RB in the 3rd round of the draft...that seems to believe they don't think highly of Starks either.
...and i thought the YPC argument was bad.Lets just agree to disagree about Starks.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
That's not valid? The Packers had more needs than a RB, yet saw it as a need.I have yet you post anything of substance.
Lets just agree to disagree about Starks.
massraider
Footballguy
Isn't it possible a mid-round RB says more about Grant or Jackson? It's fine to not like Starks, I don't think he's got the #1 spot locked up, but I am more concerned about Grant than a 3rd round RB.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
It's the same thinking that had people claiming Grant would lose his job every offseason.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Or that they realize the guy they have been trotting out there on 3rd downs is likely gone and that Grant is almost 30 and coming off of a major injury.But...feel what you want I guess.
sho nuff
Footballguy
What great needs did they have?They have Jackson who is a free agent.Grant coming off of injury and almost 30 and on the last year of his contract.RB was a need coming into this draft when thinking into the future. Nearly everyone agreed with that.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I agree with you, but that was the smallest part of my argument.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Please scan up further, as the argument is about what starks "did" in the playoffs.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
RB is a need. The point is that if James Starks was starting material, why would they draft a RB in the 3rd round that doesn't offer a different skill set?Other needs:5 technique DE- I feel that Mike Neal was a reach and they don't have great talent at the position as Ryan Pickett only plays 15-20 snaps a game as he is getting old.CB- Sam Shields played out of his rear and i'm not sure they should expect that production to continue. Also Woodson is old and a 3rd CB either way is a need, as seen in the Super Bowl when he went down.OLB- Mathews has the one side....but they need more pressure opposite him.
The part on drafting green in the third......throw out the window. Ted Thompson ALWAYS drafts bpa.
He took jordy when they had driver, jones, jennings, and took cobb this year. Rodgers when they had favre. Not a believer in green. I think they pound grant into the ground in his last year, then let him go end of season........
He took jordy when they had driver, jones, jennings, and took cobb this year. Rodgers when they had favre. Not a believer in green. I think they pound grant into the ground in his last year, then let him go end of season........
Jersey35
Footballguy
Clifford
Footballguy
Probably safe to add Jacoby Jones to this list as well presuming he is still in Houston. I think Kevin Walter was overtaken at the end of last year.
If Steve Smith (NYG) recovers fully from his knee, he is going to be the steal of many drafts. I think he's a perfect compliment to Nicks whereas Manningham is a little too similar to how Nicks plays.
Garcon is going late as well because of Collie's emergence last year. Collie could be the WR2, we'll just have to wait and see what shakes out in camp if there is a camp.
If Steve Smith (NYG) recovers fully from his knee, he is going to be the steal of many drafts. I think he's a perfect compliment to Nicks whereas Manningham is a little too similar to how Nicks plays.
Garcon is going late as well because of Collie's emergence last year. Collie could be the WR2, we'll just have to wait and see what shakes out in camp if there is a camp.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
I came in to point out the Giants and it looks as though some people beat me to the punch. Here is what I see:
QB: Eli Manning - while not "elite", he always plays, and if your league does not penalize too harshly on INTs, he is a nifty pickup if you look to wait on QBs: passing TDs over the last 6 years are 31, 27, 21, 23, 24, 24.
RB: Gotta love what Bradshaw did last year - 1235 yards rushing, 8 TDs and 47 receptions is very nice - if Smith is out for a while, I expect those reception numbers to tick up a bit. In my 1/2 PPR league, he finished 12th (as did Manning) and was 7 points from finishing top 10.
WR: Nicks finished 8th, Manningham 22nd and even Steve Smith managed 58th missing nearly 1/2 the season in my 1/2 PPR. Basically you can have Nicks finish top 10 and "WR2" (whoever that is) walk away in the top 25. I also like that Smith finished top 60 as WR3 numbers (sort of). If he played the full season, you would likely have seen all three finish in the top 30 and when you think there are 32 teams, each with a "WR1", that shows how good each is.
TE: Pass...although Boss could work as a TE2
D: Both IDP and Team D look very good...
QB: Eli Manning - while not "elite", he always plays, and if your league does not penalize too harshly on INTs, he is a nifty pickup if you look to wait on QBs: passing TDs over the last 6 years are 31, 27, 21, 23, 24, 24.
RB: Gotta love what Bradshaw did last year - 1235 yards rushing, 8 TDs and 47 receptions is very nice - if Smith is out for a while, I expect those reception numbers to tick up a bit. In my 1/2 PPR league, he finished 12th (as did Manning) and was 7 points from finishing top 10.
WR: Nicks finished 8th, Manningham 22nd and even Steve Smith managed 58th missing nearly 1/2 the season in my 1/2 PPR. Basically you can have Nicks finish top 10 and "WR2" (whoever that is) walk away in the top 25. I also like that Smith finished top 60 as WR3 numbers (sort of). If he played the full season, you would likely have seen all three finish in the top 30 and when you think there are 32 teams, each with a "WR1", that shows how good each is.
TE: Pass...although Boss could work as a TE2
D: Both IDP and Team D look very good...
