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Best value QB to target (1 Viewer)

Montana16

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I always feel the need to have a top qb on my team. After years of losing the later round qb lottery I took brees last year and breathed easy at the position all year. But the fantasy veteran in me knows that it's always better to wait and take the guys farther down who wont be THAT much worse. When you draft qb high you are essentially buying the sure thing that we all pray for. I want brady so bad but Rodgers is looking like the better value a few rounds later. Here are my top 3 value qbs in order.

1. Donovan mcnabb. This guy is primed for a great season and is at least a round behind the big 2 of rivers and rodgers after the top 3 are gone. It lets you sneak in that last good wr/rb that feel to you when you wanted rodgers and still wanted a good qb lol.

2. Hasselbeck. A later pick yes, and maybe at the bottom of some peoples qb list including mine. But with hass you get a guy who at least has proven hes capable of putting up good fantasy numbers for a later pick.

3. Aaron Rodgers. This guy might put up manning stats and basically buys you an extra round of rb/wr value if you just cant fathom passing the guy who came to you when you debated peyton.

 
I have been able to grab Rodgers mid to end 5th round and im pretty happy with that. Grab 2 or 3 backs and a couple of WRs and after the top 3, Brady, Brees and Manning have gone I think the Rodgers pick is good value.

 
I have been able to grab Rodgers mid to end 5th round and im pretty happy with that. Grab 2 or 3 backs and a couple of WRs and after the top 3, Brady, Brees and Manning have gone I think the Rodgers pick is good value.
I did two 14 teamers and two 16 teamers (all live drafts) this weekend... Rodgers was gone by 2.09 each time.
Yeah, I think that ship has sailed. I don't think he really provides great value anymore. McNabb is the value play Rodgers used to be.
 
2. Hasselbeck. A later pick yes, and maybe at the bottom of some peoples qb list including mine. But with hass you get a guy who at least has proven hes capable of putting up good fantasy numbers for a later pick.
He is probably a big part of my season - I hope you're right. Even if he's serviceable, I'd take it (doubt he will be that late round charm I got in Warner, but hey, you never know).
 
If Schaub stays healthy.... big IF but he's a bargain in the 8th round (10-team ADP).

 
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In my 12 team non-ppr redraft league (start 2 WR) - Rodgers went in the 3rd. QB's generally go very early. I targeted Garrard this year in the 8th round in that league along with a few of my other leagues. I think Garrard is in for a top 10 season.

I like the addition of Holt, Jones-Drew being in on my plays (should increase dump offs/screen plays) and maybe it's a preseason fluke - but Troy Williamson has looked like a stud in preseason play for the Jaguars. He has won the starting job opposite Holt and will give the Jaguars a deep threat if he can continue what he has started in preseason.

 
In my ten team draft I was all set to grab Rodgers at 4.2 but was shocked to see Westbrook still available (I know, I know) so I jumped on him but immediately after Rodgers went and then a run started so that by the middle of round 5, nine QBs were off the board. I got Schaub in the 6th. I was the last team to get my starting QB. I wonder if this is happening in other leagues? I was sure I would get McNabb, Romo or Warner or even Ryan but as soon as Rodgers went people panicked (Rivers was grabbed in the third after the "big three").

I grabbed Roethlesberger a few rounds later. In light of Schaub's injury I'm kinda kicking myself for passing on Rodgers for Westy. Hopefully my RBs and WRs balance this out...

 
I'd have to say its McNabb. He seems to be going a little lower than I think in each draft. I really don't think that they'll run it much so most of their offensive yards will come through the air and he's got the best set of wrs since TO left.

 
I think Phillip Rivers does not get the respect for the season he put up. No one considers him an elite QB, and yet his numbers were pretty elite last year. He is often drafted after McNabb, although he is above him on many cheat sheets.

 
Jay Cutler

The move to Chicago seems to have dropped his draft stock farther than it should IMO. He could be a nice value play.

 
Carson Palmer, relative to ADP. is far better value than McNabb..and he has a hungry Ocho Cinco and C. Henry rippping it up in preseason...

another guy I'd watch for is Joe Flacco..this is the year that the training wheels come of his bicycle..he's being drafted as a bye-week fill-in, but he's a soon-to-be stud no one is paying attention to. He's tearing it up in preseason and the Ravens are allowing him to air it out quite a bit more than last year.sign of things to come!

Matt Ryan is going to throw for 3500 yards and about 28 TDs at the rate he's been going in preseason..

Jay Cutler - reports of his demise are greatly exaggerated..dude is money in the bank.

 
Value depends upon where you are able to draft the qb

Brady in DD was rated 5th best player in my money league - He went at 2.07 - that is value.

 
Jay CutlerThe move to Chicago seems to have dropped his draft stock farther than it should IMO. He could be a nice value play.
Chicago has been a run first team all of its history and with Forte there, I don't see that changing. A lack of good targets also makes a good argument for dropping Cutler.
 
Value depends upon where you are able to draft the qbBrady in DD was rated 5th best player in my money league - He went at 2.07 - that is value.
Brady dropped to 2.10 in our league, unfortunately my pick was 2.11....ADP and Brady would have been a nice 1-2. I did get Calvin Johnson and Roddy though.
 
I had been thinking Matt Ryan is going to be $$$ this year. I grabbed Brees early b/c I didn't like what was left for me at pick 6 in round 1. I also think McNabb will have a good season. Hasslebeck and Palmer are going to rebound this year IMHO.

 
I think Hasselbeck and T.J. have the potential this season to be a poor man's Brady/Moss. I am really gunning towards getting him in round eight or nine and believe that of the third tier QB's he has the most potential to exceed his ADP and provides the best upside for a QB in the late rounds. Seattle offense looks like it has the weapons in place to really make some noise with a weak division and relatively decent schedule against the pass.

 
The guy that fell in our draft was Romo, who ended up going at 6.1.... at that point, I think that's pretty good value.

 
2. Hasselbeck. A later pick yes, and maybe at the bottom of some peoples qb list including mine. But with hass you get a guy who at least has proven hes capable of putting up good fantasy numbers for a later pick.
He is probably a big part of my season - I hope you're right. Even if he's serviceable, I'd take it (doubt he will be that late round charm I got in Warner, but hey, you never know).
He's fit into the "value play" category for years, with only last year being an aberration. I'm pretty confident that they won't repeat last year's WR massacre, and now that he has Housh they should be better. I like that passing offense for fantasy purposes. Also, I wouldn't draft him as a starter but I think Jason Campbell could surprise this year. He's steadily improved his overall game, and they're going to take shots downfield this year. Their young WR's look like they're emerging and the line is healthy. Contrary to suspicions that Campbell might lose his job midseason, Zorn will do everything he can to have Campbell succeed because Zorn's coaching fate is tied to that. I've very confident that his ADP is lower than his real value.
 
I still like Palmer, overall seems like people are cooling on him so he should still be out there late in drafts.

I like Edwards. He has looked bad. I still like him as a QB2.

Hasselbeck is starting for me on one team, pretty sure he'll put up stats way above what his ADP suggests.

And dare I say... Favre is going really late and unless you think he'll miss time he's a lock for 20 TDs.

 
I pray that when I get into the draft, I avoid the temptation to take McNabb. Its always the same with him. Should be top 5 and ends up elsewhere for various reasons. I wish I could quit you Donovan.

 
2. Hasselbeck. A later pick yes, and maybe at the bottom of some peoples qb list including mine. But with hass you get a guy who at least has proven hes capable of putting up good fantasy numbers for a later pick.
He is probably a big part of my season - I hope you're right. Even if he's serviceable, I'd take it (doubt he will be that late round charm I got in Warner, but hey, you never know).
He's fit into the "value play" category for years, with only last year being an aberration. I'm pretty confident that they won't repeat last year's WR massacre, and now that he has Housh they should be better. I like that passing offense for fantasy purposes. Also, I wouldn't draft him as a starter but I think Jason Campbell could surprise this year. He's steadily improved his overall game, and they're going to take shots downfield this year. Their young WR's look like they're emerging and the line is healthy. Contrary to suspicions that Campbell might lose his job midseason, Zorn will do everything he can to have Campbell succeed because Zorn's coaching fate is tied to that. I've very confident that his ADP is lower than his real value.
:football: (Just kidding)Yeah, I agree to a lesser degree. I like Campbell-I think he gets picked on unfairly.QB Value plays-will outperform their ADP:Big BenMcNabbRodgersRomo
 
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I like Edwards. He has looked bad. I still like him as a QB2.
I do too. It will be interesting to see how that offense functions with TO in the lineup. I think he's a great value right now and Owens isn't coming back until the season opener so that value will likely persist.
 
Because I know that QBs go very early in my league I snagged Brees at 2.03 as the first QB in my PPR league that gives 6pts for all TDs.

Brady went at 2.07

Manning 2.09

Rodgers 2.11

McNabb 3.5

Rivers 3.12 (I'm surprised he lasted that long)

It's all about knowing the tendencies of your league. I got very lucky by snagging Warner late last year (Shaub was my 1st QB) but this year I wanted the QB position to be locked up as best as possible.

 
Football guys has a good article about Quarterbacks by committee.

I dont want to name any of the better ones since its a pay article but I may go with that strategy and and stack up on WRs and RB in the first 5 rounds or so. and obviously it always depends on who falls in your draft.

 
Jay CutlerThe move to Chicago seems to have dropped his draft stock farther than it should IMO. He could be a nice value play.
Chicago has been a run first team all of its history and with Forte there, I don't see that changing. A lack of good targets also makes a good argument for dropping Cutler.
It's a chicken/egg scenario...they had no QBs so they had no choice to run. If they wanted to continue their history they wouldn't have ante'd up the picks to acquire Cutler. They got him and they are going to use him. Good QBs make their targets better and while Hester, Bennett, Olsen and Forte aren't the best in the league they aren't bad.
 
I was lucky enough to have Drew Brees fall in my lap at 1.08 in a 3 keeper PPR league. I was also able to get Flacco and Ryan past the 4th round. I am very happy with my QBs.

 
ADPs in my 3-keeper 14-team league of the better QBs (Local league with a ton of message board activity but not a lot of what you guys call "sharks").

Keepers: Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, and Donovan McNabb

3.09 Kurt Warner

4.05 Tony Romo

6.10 Matt Ryan

7.01 Matt Schaub

8.02 Jay Cutler

8.03 Carson Palmer

9.03 Big Ben

9.07 Trent Edwards

9.13 Matt Cassel

10.04 Eli Manning

10.07 David Garrard

In my league at least, I would say Cutler and Palmer both presented excellent values. In the end, I'm guessing the order in which guys after Romo (who I don't really like anymore then Cutler, Palmer, etc.) varies a lot and consequently so does which QB presents the best value in your league.

Bottom line: I think it's best to get one of the last QBs on the board in the Romo, Ryan, Schaub, Cutler, and Palmer tier as one of your QBs.

 
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I'm loving Hasselbeck this year. I think Roethlisberger is pretty undervalued as well - great preliminary SOS. That said I keep ending up with Cutler - seems like he's lasting longer than he should.

 
Clearly Palmer, McNabb, Schaub, and Hasselbeck are the best values. 2 of those 4 will likely finish in the top 6 this year. Palmer and McNabb have the most talent and talent around them. Schaub has the weapons and ppg average to do it. Hasslebeck has 2 good redzone targets in Housh and Carlson to makeup for a soft running attack. Hasslebeck has a chance to toss quite a few TDs this year.

 
Ben is one year removed from a top season with 30TDs - he can be had as a backup or real late starter - that is really good value!

 
I think Favre is a great value. He could produce like a QB1. In a TD-heavy league, I'm trying to scoop him up as a 3 QB committee. I wouldn't feel comfortable putting him in a pair with a QB with an injury history (like Schaub or Palmer), but with a healthier QB, I like Favre.

 
waited on QB and ended up with Schaub (8th), Hasselbech (11th) and Flacco (14th)

No superstars, but very serviceable based on matchups. Those are the guys I wanted and was able to get them pretty cheap.

 
Ben is one year removed from a top season with 30TDs - he can be had as a backup or real late starter - that is really good value!
True, him and Hassel are really good values. Nabb, Palmer, and Schaub are on everyone's list of values. In the drafts I've done, they have gone a little high for me.Hassel is also 1 season removed from 3,900 yards and 28 TDs.
 
While he's not my favorite QB, Rivers appears to be a great value for where he's going. I got him at 5.12 in a redraft league (4 pts per passing TD) I love Rodgers this year, but he's starting to creep into the 3rd, early 4th round...

 
I think Favre is a great value. He could produce like a QB1. In a TD-heavy league, I'm trying to scoop him up as a 3 QB committee. I wouldn't feel comfortable putting him in a pair with a QB with an injury history (like Schaub or Palmer), but with a healthier QB, I like Favre.
Depends on if/how your league scores INTs. Either they tone down the gunslinger thing (which would limit his stats) or he'll be delivering the ball to the wrong team more often than you'd like.
 
I've been targetting Schaub and Cutler in that order. I think they represent great value where they're usually going (although Schaub did get taken in the 4th round in one of my drafts last week). Usually at least one of these guys falls to the mid-rounds.

The wildcard, imo, is Rodgers. I have him ranked the same as Brees and Brady. If he falls to the mid/late 3rd round, I think he's a great value there, as all the stud wr's and rb's are usually off the board then.

 
I don't get the Hasselback love.

I realize Seattle has no running game, will be behind most weeks, and forced to throw teh ball a ton....but are you really comfortable with him staying healthy behind that putrid OL?

I think Seneca Wallace is the play here.

 
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prgromek said:
Jay CutlerThe move to Chicago seems to have dropped his draft stock farther than it should IMO. He could be a nice value play.
Chicago has been a run first team all of its history and with Forte there, I don't see that changing. A lack of good targets also makes a good argument for dropping Cutler.
People forget when Rex was playing; even with TJ at RB they still Passed - Run 50 - 50. Cutler is great value.after Brees / Brady / Manning - Rodgers & Rivers seem to go by the end of round 4. Still too early for me. Then McNabb goes in the next round or 2. After McNabb thats when I make my move for Cuter.
 
jon_mx said:
prgromek said:
Jay CutlerThe move to Chicago seems to have dropped his draft stock farther than it should IMO. He could be a nice value play.
Chicago has been a run first team all of its history and with Forte there, I don't see that changing. A lack of good targets also makes a good argument for dropping Cutler.
People forget when Rex was playing; even with TJ at RB they still Passed - Run 50 - 50. Cutler is great value.after Brees / Brady / Manning - Rodgers & Rivers seem to go by the end of round 4. Still too early for me. Then McNabb goes in the next round or 2. After McNabb thats when I make my move for Cuter.
I snagged Mcnabb and Cutler back to back at the begining of 5th round and end of the 6th. I think Cutler is worth a gamble. He has a deep threat and a decent running game and the pass/run ratio may well be adjusted due to the presence of Cutler. Not saying they'll go nuts, but Chicago threw 530 times last year. Compare that to Green Bay's 541 and Dallas' 548 and it ain't that bad. Granted, we need some production from the receivers, but that is often influenced by the QB. I don't think it's stretch for him to be a top 5-8 QB this year. Only 8 teams threw 20 or more passes (approx) more than the Bears last year over the course of the season. Factor in a few more offensive plays for the pure sake of Cutler's presence as well.
 
Depending upon how you project the QBs will directly impact when you should draft them. If you think Brady is going to have 4500/45 this year in a 6 pt per TD league, then he's the most valuable and you should consider him even in the first round.

The other issue for those looking to get an ok starter late, you will likely be behind the curve at QB. Getting a starting QB that ranks 12th in a 12 team league will still make you the lowest scoring team in the league at QB. You may be better at other spots or have more depth, but you still will be losing out QB scoring wise.

I realize some folks try a QBBC approach and rotate who they start. That can be effective but can also lead to frustration when the player you didn't start goes for 350/4. Another benefit to this approach is landing a guy that does way better than expected and thus put an end to the rotatation end of things from week to week.

That being said, I like a lot of the guys mentioned so far, but I don't see many of them being a true impact player fantasy wise. Guys like Palmer and Hasselbeck will probably do better than where they are being drafted, but I don't see them coming close to the big guns at QB.

 
Depending upon how you project the QBs will directly impact when you should draft them. If you think Brady is going to have 4500/45 this year in a 6 pt per TD league, then he's the most valuable and you should consider him even in the first round.The other issue for those looking to get an ok starter late, you will likely be behind the curve at QB. Getting a starting QB that ranks 12th in a 12 team league will still make you the lowest scoring team in the league at QB. You may be better at other spots or have more depth, but you still will be losing out QB scoring wise.I realize some folks try a QBBC approach and rotate who they start. That can be effective but can also lead to frustration when the player you didn't start goes for 350/4. Another benefit to this approach is landing a guy that does way better than expected and thus put an end to the rotatation end of things from week to week.That being said, I like a lot of the guys mentioned so far, but I don't see many of them being a true impact player fantasy wise. Guys like Palmer and Hasselbeck will probably do better than where they are being drafted, but I don't see them coming close to the big guns at QB.
What was the ADP for Rogers last year?
 

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