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Best Way to get trades for support players (1 Viewer)

3quinox

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I'm not talking about studs for studs or even middle level production. Often in threads I hear a lot of "I got (Insert name) for peanuts." My question is what is the best way to buy low on potential sleepers without looking like you are sending a garbage offer? Lottery tickets are nice to have like Kenny Britt, Mark Ingram, John Brown, Charles Sims. I'm having a hard time trying to trade for them because I don't know what to offer. What are the best strategies for this?

PS I'm looking more for strategy and discussion of processes that worked, not specific trades etc. which is why I posted it here and not Assistant forum, if you think it should go there just let me know and I'll change it.

 
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One approach I like to take in this situation is look for a hole that the other player may have and that you are able to fill. Approach the offer as if you are trying to ambigously unload your player.. "I'm looking to move Player X and was thinking that you may be interested in some Position X depth."

If they are interested in said player at all you will usually get a "What did you have in mind?" response.. That is when you pounce on your prospect.

Another approach I like is "showing your hand"... For instance "Hey I was interested in player x and was wondering if where you were with him and if you are willing to deal him?", this can build some trust in the transaction as you are coming from a point of honesty. The key to this is to (not so) subtly degrade the player as you are stating your desire to acquire, such as "I'm thinking he has a chance at breaking out next year, but he is buried on the depth chart and not sure if he is the guy long term."

 
I'm in a similar boat.

I'm trying to trade for a backup qb from a team who has a strong starting qb and a backup with a lot of upside but not known as a fantasy powerhouse. My league mate is open to hear an offer.

I'd like to make a trade before the season starts, but that can be hard as people seem to value their players more than ever before they've even played a game because you want to believe everyone on your team will produce.

I think the key is to find a guy you took in a similar round (1-2 rounds above and below) to the round the player you are targeting was drafted in, figure out which one your roster can part with the most, and make that offer.

So if in targeting my league mates 11th round draft pick, I'll see who I drafted in rounds 10,11,12 and 13 and see if he bites.

 
The best bet is to swap two "sleepers". You just have to find a trade partner that likes your guy better than his own.

Draft picks are good for this as well. Sometimes I'll pick a guy up, he'll get some buzz, and I'll dump him for a 3rd in case he's a total miss or if I'm not a believer.

 
I have done pretty well in my leagues, and as a result some owners gun for me specifically in the auctions or drafts. Even to the point of bidding for players I nominate just because they think if I nominated the guy, I want him and he must be worth it. Can really make some owners waste cap room and precious roster spots near the end of the auction when they do this.

Anyway, this kind of reaction to my showing interest in a player impacts my trying to make these kind of trades. If I'm filling an obvious hole on my team I can be pretty open about a trade. But if I'm pursuing a sleeper or someone I think is undervalued, then the fact I approached them without with an interest in Player X without a glaring need often seems to increase their opinion of him and make it less likely they'll trade him.

So for this kind of thing I try to let the other owner be the one to come up with the basic trade, or at least to set some parameters for me where I'm choosing from what he's given me rather than obviously pursuing someone specific. Having a valid basis for the trade is first. "I've got a little extra RB depth and wouldn't mind more WRs on my bench, and I see you have WR depth but could use RB. Which of my players might interest you, and how do you feel about your own in terms of which you're most and least willing to trade?" I may include mentioning some of my views on my own players, or if not I'm ready to come back with that to help things along if his initial response doesn't give much. "I value my player X over Y, and Z I like quite a bit more than either so I probably would need more for him." Another approach could be, "I've got your backup RB and he's worth more to you than he is to me since if your starter goes down you have more need for him then than I would. So thought maybe there was some kind of win-win deal we could find. I might be looking for a WR and was wondering how you'd order your backups etc etc."

Hopefully that gets a discussion going where he gives me an idea how he values his players. Now I can craft an offer that includes the player I desired, and hopefully is a win for him but didn't let on that I wanted that specific player. Instead I'm just responding to what he gave me to go by.

I don't just use this approach when I'm after a specific player either. I find getting someone to think about how he values his own players relative to each other and share it, and my doing the same, really helps us come up with a trade both owners are happy with. So this kind of discussion isn't unusual for me to use in any trade.

Another angle you could use would be swapping two players you think are comparable and throwing in a couple of others to even it out, where the player you wanted is one you get in the exchange. But of course that only works if there's such a trade that you think is even enough you can tack it on to.

And another approach would be to start out by openly pursuing some other player at the position, one I might not even really want. For those owners who I know most let my interest increase their opinion, they focus on the first player we discuss. When we're not able to consummate a trade for the first player, they feel satisfied that their player they are keeping is worth more than they thought. Now I can bring up the second player as someone I'm less interested in, but if we can't do a trade for the first guy I "really wanted", I might settle for him instead. They feel like they came out even more a winner because they got me to settle for someone less.

 
It helps to know the owner of the player you're targeting.

Is he always churning the wire looking for the next big thing? Wait until a guy you own (that you're not high on) gets some hype and offer him for the "quiet" prospect you prefer. Or, try to some guy who you believe will interest him, and who has a good chance at getting some hype in the immediate future, and then flip him.

Is he a measurables afficiando? Trade a physical specimen that you think is overvalued for the less physically impressive prospect that you prefer.

Does he covet specific players (or players from specific teams)? Find out who he likes, and use that information against him.

Etc.

Of course, if you're trying to pry a hot prospect from a churner, or a physical freak from a measurables afficiando, you're just wasting your time as it will take a dramatic overpay to get them to budge. It's all about knowing what an owner values (and undervalues), and then finding a way to offer him what he wants so that he'll part with something in his value blind-spot.

 
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