Better draft a TE early this year (1 Viewer)

[shadyridr]

Most draft sharks like to pick a TE late and get good value. In many prior years you could wait until the 8th - 10th rounds and draft a TE1 like LJ Smith, Ben Watson, etc. But this year I just dont see that many TE #1s (1-12). There's a ton of guys with question marks as well as some potential TE1s. But are you willing to take that risk? Here is my list of TEs that matter and their rankings (not in order).

Definite TE #1s:

Gates

Gonzalez

Shockey

Heap

Crumpler

Cooley- pretty safe to finish top 12 but no upside

Probable TE #1s with some questions:

Winslow - knee

Smith- hernia

Witten- will he be a part of the offense?

Davis- is he too raw?

Possible TE #1s with big questions, are you willing to take the risk?:

Watson- could have a very small role in the offense

Miller- strictly a goalline option?

DalClark- Will the addition of Gonzalez hurt his #s?

McMichael- could have a very small role in the offense

Sleepers- I wouldnt mind drafting these guys late but I wouldnt count on them as my starting TE:

Olsen- what about DesClark? rookie TEs usually dont do well

DesClark- presence of Olsen

Shiancoe- nobody else to throw to

Scheffler- injuries plus Graham

Lewis/Wiggins- Lewis might be a bust, who gets majority of catches?

Johnson- injury prone

Troupe- huge bust last year

Thoughts? I think I may have to draft a TE earlier than usual this year. If I dont get Gates I wouldnt mind getting a guy in that second tier later but I dont know how comfortable Id be with them.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Witten- will he be a part of the offense?

Still digesting your interesting post... Im not sure where you're getting this. Witten's role was big again once Romo took over, and Jason Garrett is planning to use Witten to stretch the field, so his role could get even larger.

 

[bcr8f]

I think you'll be able to get decent players rounds 8-9. I like Witten in the new offense and think Crumpler, Heath Miller, Cooley, Watson and McMichael will be decent. I don't agree that McMichael will have a small role this year. Eric Johnson could be a sleeper too.

 

[einstein2u]

i think witten, davis, smith will all the solid this year.

so i am still waiting.

 

[shadyridr]

Witten- will he be a part of the offense?

Still digesting your interesting post... Im not sure where you're getting this. Witten's role was big again once Romo took over, and Jason Garrett is planning to use Witten to stretch the field, so his role could get even larger.

Well his lack of TDs was a huge concern. Check his player spotlight. Many people (including myself) thought he wouldnt put up as good numbers as say 2 years ago.

 

[ClownDogs]

One TE WELL worth the risk/reward is gonna be Owen Daniels, Schaub's gotta get the ball away REAL QUICK and he could benefit.

 

[SSOG]

Once you get past Gates, the difference between the #2 TE and the #8 TE is pretty much negligable- as a result, it's pretty silly to get the #2 TE when you could just wait several more rounds and get the #8 TE, getting the same production at a discounted cost. So no, I really don't think this is the year to draft a TE early, unless you're grabbing Gates.

At the current ADP values, the places where I see the most value at the TE position are as follows:

* Antonio Gates at the beginning of the third or later

* The last player left among Shockey/Heap/Gonzo/Winslow (maybe Crumpler or Cooley, too, but I'm not the biggest of fans of either of them, given Cooley's mediocre prospects and Crumpler's risk of missing Vick).

* Waiting until really, really late in the draft and grabbing a couple of sleepers, (Scheffler, Troupe, Heath Miller, Alex Smith, etc), paired with a low-upside but dependable veteran (Des Clark, Jermaine Wiggins, etc).

As a result, it looks like I'm probably either going to worry about the TE position in the 3rd round, the 8th round, or the 12th+ round. Obviously, that's not a hard and fast strategy, since things can change from moment to moment during an actual draft, but it's a general rule of thumb that I'm going into my drafts with.

 

[shadyridr]

I think you'll be able to get decent players rounds 8-9. I like Witten in the new offense and think Crumpler, Heath Miller, Cooley, Watson and McMichael will be decent. I don't agree that McMichael will have a small role this year. Eric Johnson could be a sleeper too.

Crumpler is a top 5 TE and Witten should be solid. But would you be comfortable with Miller, Watson, McMichael, or Johnson as a starter?

 

[shadyridr]

i think witten, davis, smith will all the solid this year.so i am still waiting.

I love Davis, got him ranked in the top 6 but you probably cant get him too late. But I would still be a bit nervous about him. Witten should be ok and Smith's hernia is a bit worrisome.

 

[shadyridr]

Once you get past Gates, the difference between the #2 TE and the #8 TE is pretty much negligable- as a result, it's pretty silly to get the #2 TE when you could just wait several more rounds and get the #8 TE, getting the same production at a discounted cost. So no, I really don't think this is the year to draft a TE early, unless you're grabbing Gates.At the current ADP values, the places where I see the most value at the TE position are as follows:* Antonio Gates at the beginning of the third or later* The last player left among Shockey/Heap/Gonzo/Winslow (maybe Crumpler or Cooley, too, but I'm not the biggest of fans of either of them, given Cooley's mediocre prospects and Crumpler's risk of missing Vick).* Waiting until really, really late in the draft and grabbing a couple of sleepers, (Scheffler, Troupe, Heath Miller, Alex Smith, etc), paired with a low-upside but dependable veteran (Des Clark, Jermaine Wiggins, etc).As a result, it looks like I'm probably either going to worry about the TE position in the 3rd round, the 8th round, or the 12th+ round. Obviously, that's not a hard and fast strategy, since things can change from moment to moment during an actual draft, but it's a general rule of thumb that I'm going into my drafts with.

But the point of my post is in the past if you waited you could still usually get a top 12 TE. For example LJ Smith was the last starting TE drafted in my league last year (meaning all the other teams drafted their TE). This year if you wait you basically have to draft 2 TEs and hope that one of them hits.

 

[shadyridr]

Basically what Im saying is after the 1st 6 TEs I see a HUGE dropoff and a lot of risk. Its basically a crapshoot and I wouldnt want to take some of that risk at starting TE.

 

[Fullback Fro]

Why do you think cooley has no upside? I see alot going for him this year.

 

[posty]

GB being in a non-TE required league...

 

[ATC1]

One TE WELL worth the risk/reward is gonna be Owen Daniels, Schaub's gotta get the ball away REAL QUICK and he could benefit.

 

[Dreamer]

GB being in a non-TE required league...

 

[SSOG]

Once you get past Gates, the difference between the #2 TE and the #8 TE is pretty much negligable- as a result, it's pretty silly to get the #2 TE when you could just wait several more rounds and get the #8 TE, getting the same production at a discounted cost. So no, I really don't think this is the year to draft a TE early, unless you're grabbing Gates.At the current ADP values, the places where I see the most value at the TE position are as follows:* Antonio Gates at the beginning of the third or later* The last player left among Shockey/Heap/Gonzo/Winslow (maybe Crumpler or Cooley, too, but I'm not the biggest of fans of either of them, given Cooley's mediocre prospects and Crumpler's risk of missing Vick).* Waiting until really, really late in the draft and grabbing a couple of sleepers, (Scheffler, Troupe, Heath Miller, Alex Smith, etc), paired with a low-upside but dependable veteran (Des Clark, Jermaine Wiggins, etc).As a result, it looks like I'm probably either going to worry about the TE position in the 3rd round, the 8th round, or the 12th+ round. Obviously, that's not a hard and fast strategy, since things can change from moment to moment during an actual draft, but it's a general rule of thumb that I'm going into my drafts with.

But the point of my post is in the past if you waited you could still usually get a top 12 TE. For example LJ Smith was the last starting TE drafted in my league last year (meaning all the other teams drafted their TE). This year if you wait you basically have to draft 2 TEs and hope that one of them hits.

According to ADP, the 12th TE isn't taken until the 10th round, which means a top-12 TE will still be available at least in the 10th round.Additionally, the difference between TE10 and TE24 was 40.7 points. This means the difference between a guy available in the 10th round and a guy available in the 20th round is just 40 points, or not even 3 points per game. The reason TEs always go so late is because there simply isn't much difference at all between "starter-caliber TEs" and "backup-caliber TEs".Basically, I don't see any pressing need where I absolutely HAVE TO get a "starter-caliber" TE this season, because there's going to be this dramatic dropoff for some reason, despite the fact that there never has been before. TEs are generally one of the lower-upside positions (there are exceptions, but those exceptions are always gone early or complete shocks that no one sees coming), and the dropoff once you get past the top 4-5 or so is very, very mild. So in short, no, I don't think this is the year to finally get a TE early, unless you're talking about Antonio Gates or the last guy left in the second tier.

 

[Prof. Chaos]

 

[joffer]

GB being in a non-TE required league...

there are no TEs in baseball

 

[bcr8f]

I think you'll be able to get decent players rounds 8-9. I like Witten in the new offense and think Crumpler, Heath Miller, Cooley, Watson and McMichael will be decent. I don't agree that McMichael will have a small role this year. Eric Johnson could be a sleeper too.

Crumpler is a top 5 TE and Witten should be solid. But would you be comfortable with Miller, Watson, McMichael, or Johnson as a starter?

I wouldn't. I have Crumpler and Witten, but some will take chances with McMichael and Miller as they do every year. I will try and get one of those as a backup in later rounds.I like Gates and then the 6th or 7th TE. Whoever is there in round 7 or 8 I would take.

 

[Captain Hook]

GB being in a non-TE required league...

there are no TEs in baseball

WRONG - they are called catchersAnd the debate is the same - how high is Mauer/Gates going to be drafted?When is the next tier (Victor Martinez, Brian McCann) going?Do you take one of the others (Pudge, Russell Martin, Paul LoDuca, Jorge Posada, Michael Barret) or just wait until later in your draft for the crapshoot and hope to get lucky?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Thoughts? I think I may have to draft a TE earlier than usual this year. If I dont get Gates I wouldnt mind getting a guy in that second tier later but I dont know how comfortable Id be with them.

I think in past years, there were only about 3 to 5 TEs that I generally felt comfortable with heading into the season. Now, that number is much closer to 10 and I think there's also another 6 or so that are reasonably safe with upside.Thus, I completely disagree with the idea that you need to draft a TE earlier now than you did several years ago.

 

[Phurfur]

Thoughts? I think I may have to draft a TE earlier than usual this year. If I dont get Gates I wouldnt mind getting a guy in that second tier later but I dont know how comfortable Id be with them.

Go ahead and go for it, that will only help the rest of us who wait.

 

[The Duff Man]

One TE WELL worth the risk/reward is gonna be Owen Daniels, Schaub's gotta get the ball away REAL QUICK and he could benefit.

I disagree. If the line can't protect he'll have to stay in to block.

 

[Pickle Rody]

I've generally waited on TE's. I usually don't draft them very high and end up dropping one or both for better options that became available on the waiver wire. 3 years ago I landed Heap in the 12th round. What a steal that was. But, other than that, I've waited on them.

Last year, I grabbed Cooley in week 4 or 5, and ran him into the ground. He ended up being top 5 in scoring in my league. Helluva waiver move. Proving again that I need not sweat it out at the TE position during the draft.

I like Daniels this year, but his ADP is going to climb a bit before I actually draft, so I doubt I'll land him. I have no problems taking a flier on Olsen late in the draft, but I somehow doubt he will be available for me that late. I'll just bide my time and grab somebody off waivers later.

 

[Fiddles]

Thoughts? I think I may have to draft a TE earlier than usual this year. If I dont get Gates I wouldnt mind getting a guy in that second tier later but I dont know how comfortable Id be with them.

I think in past years, there were only about 3 to 5 TEs that I generally felt comfortable with heading into the season. Now, that number is much closer to 10 and I think there's also another 6 or so that are reasonably safe with upside.Thus, I completely disagree with the idea that you need to draft a TE earlier now than you did several years ago.

 

[LHUCKS]

Once you get past Gates, the difference between the #2 TE and the #8 TE is pretty much negligable-

Exactly, my general TE strategy will be to grab the last TE from the second tier...however long that takes depends on the draft/league format.

 

[zander_s]

One TE WELL worth the risk/reward is gonna be Owen Daniels, Schaub's gotta get the ball away REAL QUICK and he could benefit.

Agreed! I grabbed Witten and Daniels in an early redraft already!

 

[Dhizz]

Thoughts? I think I may have to draft a TE earlier than usual this year. If I dont get Gates I wouldnt mind getting a guy in that second tier later but I dont know how comfortable Id be with them.

I think in past years, there were only about 3 to 5 TEs that I generally felt comfortable with heading into the season. Now, that number is much closer to 10 and I think there's also another 6 or so that are reasonably safe with upside.Thus, I completely disagree with the idea that you need to draft a TE earlier now than you did several years ago.

TEs are now the de facto method of attacking the Tampa 2. TEs production is on the rise, and it's far easier to get a solid TE.

 

[renesauz]

Unless it's Gates, TE should go no sooner this year then any other.

O...and Smith will be fine. Typical recovery for that type of injury is measured in the 6-9 week area, meaning he may well be 100% before training camp, and could certainly be expected to be ready before the season starts. As a veteran, a week or two missed in camp would not be a big deal for him.

 

[Jeff19658]

I really think Tony Scheffler will do well this year and have him ranked pretty high. Graham or no Graham Scheffler will be the primary receiving TE in Denver. He was one of the top 3 TE's to finish the season once Cutler took over and Cutler and Scheffler hooked up often.

Now of course I am a Scheffler owner so this may be scewed a bit. But I really think he can be a top 10 TE this year.

 

[GoBears84]

Once you get past Gates, the difference between the #2 TE and the #8 TE is pretty much negligable- as a result, it's pretty silly to get the #2 TE when you could just wait several more rounds and get the #8 TE, getting the same production at a discounted cost. So no, I really don't think this is the year to draft a TE early, unless you're grabbing Gates.

At the current ADP values, the places where I see the most value at the TE position are as follows:

* Antonio Gates at the beginning of the third or later

* The last player left among Shockey/Heap/Gonzo/Winslow (maybe Crumpler or Cooley, too, but I'm not the biggest of fans of either of them, given Cooley's mediocre prospects and Crumpler's risk of missing Vick).

* Waiting until really, really late in the draft and grabbing a couple of sleepers, (Scheffler, Troupe, Heath Miller, Alex Smith, etc), paired with a low-upside but dependable veteran (Des Clark, Jermaine Wiggins, etc).

As a result, it looks like I'm probably either going to worry about the TE position in the 3rd round, the 8th round, or the 12th+ round. Obviously, that's not a hard and fast strategy, since things can change from moment to moment during an actual draft, but it's a general rule of thumb that I'm going into my drafts with.

But the point of my post is in the past if you waited you could still usually get a top 12 TE. For example LJ Smith was the last starting TE drafted in my league last year (meaning all the other teams drafted their TE).

This year if you wait you basically have to draft 2 TEs and hope that one of them hits.

This may be the best strategy. There was a nice discussion in the Roundtable in week 14 last year specifically about TE's. Lessons Learned - TE's There are going to be more serviceable TE's this year than in the past. Grab two back-to-back late and be done with it.Joel

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Once you get past Gates, the difference between the #2 TE and the #8 TE is pretty much negligable- as a result, it's pretty silly to get the #2 TE when you could just wait several more rounds and get the #8 TE, getting the same production at a discounted cost. So no, I really don't think this is the year to draft a TE early, unless you're grabbing Gates.

At the current ADP values, the places where I see the most value at the TE position are as follows:

* Antonio Gates at the beginning of the third or later

* The last player left among Shockey/Heap/Gonzo/Winslow (maybe Crumpler or Cooley, too, but I'm not the biggest of fans of either of them, given Cooley's mediocre prospects and Crumpler's risk of missing Vick).

* Waiting until really, really late in the draft and grabbing a couple of sleepers, (Scheffler, Troupe, Heath Miller, Alex Smith, etc), paired with a low-upside but dependable veteran (Des Clark, Jermaine Wiggins, etc).

As a result, it looks like I'm probably either going to worry about the TE position in the 3rd round, the 8th round, or the 12th+ round. Obviously, that's not a hard and fast strategy, since things can change from moment to moment during an actual draft, but it's a general rule of thumb that I'm going into my drafts with.

But the point of my post is in the past if you waited you could still usually get a top 12 TE. For example LJ Smith was the last starting TE drafted in my league last year (meaning all the other teams drafted their TE).

This year if you wait you basically have to draft 2 TEs and hope that one of them hits.

This may be the best strategy. There was a nice discussion in the Roundtable in week 14 last year specifically about TE's. Lessons Learned - TE's There are going to be more serviceable TE's this year than in the past. Grab two back-to-back late and be done with it.Joel

Hey I remember that....

Jeff Pasquino: My draft summary can be summarized as:

1. Don't be the first guy (or the second) with a TE, but also don't be the last.

2. Do be the first (or second) guy with a second TE.

That seems to work pretty well......

 

[the spanker]

Once you get past Gates, the difference between the #2 TE and the #8 TE is pretty much negligable- as a result, it's pretty silly to get the #2 TE when you could just wait several more rounds and get the #8 TE, getting the same production at a discounted cost. So no, I really don't think this is the year to draft a TE early, unless you're grabbing Gates.At the current ADP values, the places where I see the most value at the TE position are as follows:* Antonio Gates at the beginning of the third or later* The last player left among Shockey/Heap/Gonzo/Winslow (maybe Crumpler or Cooley, too, but I'm not the biggest of fans of either of them, given Cooley's mediocre prospects and Crumpler's risk of missing Vick).* Waiting until really, really late in the draft and grabbing a couple of sleepers, (Scheffler, Troupe, Heath Miller, Alex Smith, etc), paired with a low-upside but dependable veteran (Des Clark, Jermaine Wiggins, etc).As a result, it looks like I'm probably either going to worry about the TE position in the 3rd round, the 8th round, or the 12th+ round. Obviously, that's not a hard and fast strategy, since things can change from moment to moment during an actual draft, but it's a general rule of thumb that I'm going into my drafts with.

SSOG, does this strategy of yours apply to ppr leagues?

 

[Beetlejuice]

David Martin, Miami

Cam Cameron helped to make Gates into a star. With the Miami offense Martin will at the very least be adequate. Not much of a blocker, but has decent speed as a former WR and had a few nice games while with GB. Wouldn't surprise me for Martin to challenge for the back end of the top ten this season.

Looking for a TE sleeper? Here's one of them.....in one man's opinion.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

[Tarvaris]

Oh the receivers outside are frightful,

But the tight end is so delightful,

And since I've got no place to throw,

Shiancoe! Shiancoe! Shiancoe!

[/Tarvaris]

 

[s_ezy]

[Tarvaris]Oh the receivers outside are frightful, But the tight end is so delightful,And since I've got no place to throw,Shiancoe! Shiancoe! Shiancoe![/Tarvaris]

what kinda number are you projecting for Schiancoe?

 

[SSOG]

Once you get past Gates, the difference between the #2 TE and the #8 TE is pretty much negligable- as a result, it's pretty silly to get the #2 TE when you could just wait several more rounds and get the #8 TE, getting the same production at a discounted cost. So no, I really don't think this is the year to draft a TE early, unless you're grabbing Gates.At the current ADP values, the places where I see the most value at the TE position are as follows:* Antonio Gates at the beginning of the third or later* The last player left among Shockey/Heap/Gonzo/Winslow (maybe Crumpler or Cooley, too, but I'm not the biggest of fans of either of them, given Cooley's mediocre prospects and Crumpler's risk of missing Vick).* Waiting until really, really late in the draft and grabbing a couple of sleepers, (Scheffler, Troupe, Heath Miller, Alex Smith, etc), paired with a low-upside but dependable veteran (Des Clark, Jermaine Wiggins, etc).As a result, it looks like I'm probably either going to worry about the TE position in the 3rd round, the 8th round, or the 12th+ round. Obviously, that's not a hard and fast strategy, since things can change from moment to moment during an actual draft, but it's a general rule of thumb that I'm going into my drafts with.

SSOG, does this strategy of yours apply to ppr leagues?

Yes. League scoring rules might change a TE's absolute draft value, but it won't change his relative draft value. For example, in leagues where TEs get 2 PPR (and all other positions get 1 PPR), then instead of "Gates in the 3rd, the last 2nd-tier TE in the 8th, or sleepers in 12+" the strategy might become "Gates in the 1st/2nd, the last 2nd-tier TE in the 5th/6th, or sleepers in 9+". The guys you target never change, the only thing that changes is the rounds that you target them.

 

[LHUCKS]

David Martin, MiamiCam Cameron helped to make Gates into a star. With the Miami offense Martin will at the very least be adequate. Not much of a blocker, but has decent speed as a former WR and had a few nice games while with GB. Wouldn't surprise me for Martin to challenge for the back end of the top ten this season. Looking for a TE sleeper? Here's one of them.....in one man's opinion.

I've been saying this.

 

[pizzatyme]

Once you get past Gates, the difference between the #2 TE and the #8 TE is pretty much negligable- as a result, it's pretty silly to get the #2 TE when you could just wait several more rounds and get the #8 TE, getting the same production at a discounted cost. So no, I really don't think this is the year to draft a TE early, unless you're grabbing Gates.At the current ADP values, the places where I see the most value at the TE position are as follows:* Antonio Gates at the beginning of the third or later* The last player left among Shockey/Heap/Gonzo/Winslow (maybe Crumpler or Cooley, too, but I'm not the biggest of fans of either of them, given Cooley's mediocre prospects and Crumpler's risk of missing Vick).* Waiting until really, really late in the draft and grabbing a couple of sleepers, (Scheffler, Troupe, Heath Miller, Alex Smith, etc), paired with a low-upside but dependable veteran (Des Clark, Jermaine Wiggins, etc).As a result, it looks like I'm probably either going to worry about the TE position in the 3rd round, the 8th round, or the 12th+ round. Obviously, that's not a hard and fast strategy, since things can change from moment to moment during an actual draft, but it's a general rule of thumb that I'm going into my drafts with.

SSOG, does this strategy of yours apply to ppr leagues?

Yes. League scoring rules might change a TE's absolute draft value, but it won't change his relative draft value. For example, in leagues where TEs get 2 PPR (and all other positions get 1 PPR), then instead of "Gates in the 3rd, the last 2nd-tier TE in the 8th, or sleepers in 12+" the strategy might become "Gates in the 1st/2nd, the last 2nd-tier TE in the 5th/6th, or sleepers in 9+". The guys you target never change, the only thing that changes is the rounds that you target them.

SSOG, ofcourse it changes the guys you target based on the league's scoring rules! If you're targeting Gates in the first theis means the RB or WR you were targeting in the first is gone. Not everyone will follow your drafting concept because of the scoring rules.

 

[JaxBill]

McMichael- could have a very small role in the offense

I thought McMichael jumped at the chance to go to STL because he'd be reunited with former 'Phins OC Linehan?I know they've got Holt/Bruce/SJackson but they're paying him 4 Mil a year.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

[Tarvaris]Oh the receivers outside are frightful, But the tight end is so delightful,And since I've got no place to throw,Shiancoe! Shiancoe! Shiancoe![/Tarvaris]

what kinda number are you projecting for Schiancoe?

One number? I think he can crack the Top 12, but it would be close.All depends on how bad his fellow WRs are and how much Tarv looks over the middle.Tarv will need a "comfort receiver", and they are going to use Shiancoe as a friendly and big target over the middle.While I think he's a solid #2 TE, he goes up some in PPR leagues as I think he should get 40-50 catches. 600-ish yards if he gets 50 catches, with a handful (4-5) of TDs.He is one of the few TE2's I could see challenging for TE1 performance.

 

[nygiants56]

Witten- will he be a part of the offense?

Still digesting your interesting post... Im not sure where you're getting this. Witten's role was big again once Romo took over, and Jason Garrett is planning to use Witten to stretch the field, so his role could get even larger.

very underrated player..the guy is the TE's what Rudi Johnson is to RBs, i'e. pumps out nearly identical #'s year in and year out ..Witten's TD totals dipped last season, but his involvement with the offense grew once Romo took over. This could be Witten's best season as a pro.

 

[Pipes]

David Martin, MiamiCam Cameron helped to make Gates into a star. With the Miami offense Martin will at the very least be adequate. Not much of a blocker, but has decent speed as a former WR and had a few nice games while with GB. Wouldn't surprise me for Martin to challenge for the back end of the top ten this season. Looking for a TE sleeper? Here's one of them.....in one man's opinion.

He's got the talent but he just can't stay healthy. He was hurt all the time as a part time player in Green Bay so I'm very leary of him. Make sure you have another good option if you go this route.

 

[softball]

David Martin, MiamiCam Cameron helped to make Gates into a star. With the Miami offense Martin will at the very least be adequate. Not much of a blocker, but has decent speed as a former WR and had a few nice games while with GB. Wouldn't surprise me for Martin to challenge for the back end of the top ten this season. Looking for a TE sleeper? Here's one of them.....in one man's opinion.

I've been saying this.

Well could you stop! Please! Shhhhhh...Add the potential replacement in Green Bay (Lee) with DM and you will have a TE to play each week

 

[SSOG]

Yes. League scoring rules might change a TE's absolute draft value, but it won't change his relative draft value. For example, in leagues where TEs get 2 PPR (and all other positions get 1 PPR), then instead of "Gates in the 3rd, the last 2nd-tier TE in the 8th, or sleepers in 12+" the strategy might become "Gates in the 1st/2nd, the last 2nd-tier TE in the 5th/6th, or sleepers in 9+". The guys you target never change, the only thing that changes is the rounds that you target them.

SSOG, ofcourse it changes the guys you target based on the league's scoring rules! If you're targeting Gates in the first theis means the RB or WR you were targeting in the first is gone. Not everyone will follow your drafting concept because of the scoring rules.

Not everyone will follow my drafting concept because not everyone is going to agree with it, scoring rules be damned. Still, if the value points at WR in a non-PPR league (in your opinion) are WR3, WR8, and WR16, then odds are in a PPR league the value points are going to be the exact same WR cutoff- it's just that you're going to have to draft that WR earlier as a result.Yes, the opportunity cost of an Antonio Gates is much higher in a 2PPR for TE league... but then again, the reward is much higher, as a result. That's why the opportunity cost goes up. Scoring changes are NOT going to change Gates value relative to his peers at TE, but they certainly WILL change his value relative to players at other positions.

 

[AnonymousBob]

We've had this discusssion...

 

[posty]

GB being in a non-TE required league...

there are no TEs in baseball

WRONG - they are called catchersAnd the debate is the same - how high is Mauer/Gates going to be drafted?When is the next tier (Victor Martinez, Brian McCann) going?Do you take one of the others (Pudge, Russell Martin, Paul LoDuca, Jorge Posada, Michael Barret) or just wait until later in your draft for the crapshoot and hope to get lucky?

But the main difference is that there are many non-TE leagues... I have never heard of a non-C baseball league...