Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Courtesy of The Greek:
NYJ 41
INDY -7½
S.D. 47
INDY -3
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Dallas 52½
N.O. -3½
Minny 54½
N.O. -4½
NYJ 41
INDY -7½
S.D. 47
INDY -3
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Dallas 52½
N.O. -3½
Minny 54½
N.O. -4½
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Betting lines are up for Championship Sunday (1 Viewer)
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Pretty reasonable lines here.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I'm meeting Kerry Rhodes and Bart Scott at Mandalay Bay that night to watch the games.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
I'll take San Diego plus the 3. Not impressed at all at Indy's dink and dunk offense with no semblance of a running game.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Whoa buddy. One thing at a time. First, the Chargers are required to toy with the Jets for 60 minutes.Dragon1952 said:
daveR
Footballguy
Says here that the Jets and the Vikings are the bets tomorrow (today?).
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Yeah, but remember...they get to rest their starters in the 2nd half
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I thought Indy would me -1 or -1.5 against SD so alittle high in my opinion.
I see Minnesota as the play, if they win today, getting 4.5 against the Saints
I see Minnesota as the play, if they win today, getting 4.5 against the Saints
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
I'm a Vikings homer but I bet all day on the Vikings here at +4.5. No way the Saints D can hang with the Vikings D.
If -4.5 is truly the opening line I see it shrinking quickly.
If -4.5 is truly the opening line I see it shrinking quickly.
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Statorama
Footballguy
If you like the Saints, that line will be -3 by gametime.
daveR
Footballguy
AHEM!
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Nate Kaeding is worthless in the playoffs. What a piece of dog ####.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
ffball-novice
Footballguy
That NYJ spread seems wide to me I think it will be closer. Probably narrow after Sunday's performance.I'd bet the house on the Colts
No way that line moves to the magic 3 by gametime. The Saints are the leagues Alpha Male, and the Vikings are a Jekyll and Hyde team; great at home, but clearly far inferior on the road. This D gave up 36 points to the Bears in their last road game. Carolina made them look bad the week before that.As for the other game, I LOVE the Under 41 (now its 40 1/2 at Bookmaker.com). Whether or not the Jets cover, their D will do enough disruptive things to keep the score down.If you like the Saints, that line will be -3 by gametime.
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daveR
Footballguy
Agree here. The "system" says it should be along the lines of 19-17 Colts. The problem is, that's just one screw-up from 26-17.The other game should be 27-23 Saints or so. (Sigh. I'm pulling for the Vikes!)JJP said:No way that line moves to the magic 3 by gametime. The Saints are the leagues Alpha Male, and the Vikings are a Jekyll and Hyde team; great at home, but clearly far inferior on the road. This D gave up 36 points to the Bears in their last road game. Carolina made them look bad the week before that.As for the other game, I LOVE the Under 41 (now its 40 1/2 at Bookmaker.com). Whether or not the Jets cover, their D will do enough disruptive things to keep the score down.Statorama said:johnnyrock62000 said:If you like the Saints, that line will be -3 by gametime.
And on this note, I'm going big on the Vikes.
saintsfan
Footballguy
Thanks LHUCKS. What did we ever do to you?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I'll take it.
daveR
Footballguy
I should add... I like... First, Saints/Vikes under... Second, Colts/Jets under... Third, Vikes... Lastly, Colts (against the system).Agree here. The "system" says it should be along the lines of 19-17 Colts. The problem is, that's just one screw-up from 26-17.The other game should be 27-23 Saints or so. (Sigh. I'm pulling for the Vikes!)JJP said:No way that line moves to the magic 3 by gametime. The Saints are the leagues Alpha Male, and the Vikings are a Jekyll and Hyde team; great at home, but clearly far inferior on the road. This D gave up 36 points to the Bears in their last road game. Carolina made them look bad the week before that.As for the other game, I LOVE the Under 41 (now its 40 1/2 at Bookmaker.com). Whether or not the Jets cover, their D will do enough disruptive things to keep the score down.Statorama said:johnnyrock62000 said:
daveR
Footballguy
Maybe. I'm pulling for the Jets to make a game of it, but I could see this playing out the same as the Ravens game.
Kuz
Footballguy
I'll bite.. You mentioned this twice. What is the system??I should add... I like... First, Saints/Vikes under... Second, Colts/Jets under... Third, Vikes... Lastly, Colts (against the system).Agree here. The "system" says it should be along the lines of 19-17 Colts. The problem is, that's just one screw-up from 26-17.The other game should be 27-23 Saints or so. (Sigh. I'm pulling for the Vikes!)JJP said:No way that line moves to the magic 3 by gametime. The Saints are the leagues Alpha Male, and the Vikings are a Jekyll and Hyde team; great at home, but clearly far inferior on the road. This D gave up 36 points to the Bears in their last road game. Carolina made them look bad the week before that.As for the other game, I LOVE the Under 41 (now its 40 1/2 at Bookmaker.com). Whether or not the Jets cover, their D will do enough disruptive things to keep the score down.Statorama said:johnnyrock62000 said:If you like the Saints, that line will be -3 by gametime.
RandyDB
Footballguy
Vikes were 4-4 on the road. Six of the road games were on grass. On grass Vikes were 2-4. On turf the Vikes were 10-0 (albeit their 2 road turf wins were against Det and StL).JJP said:No way that line moves to the magic 3 by gametime. The Saints are the leagues Alpha Male, and the Vikings are a Jekyll and Hyde team; great at home, but clearly far inferior on the road. This D gave up 36 points to the Bears in their last road game. Carolina made them look bad the week before that.As for the other game, I LOVE the Under 41 (now its 40 1/2 at Bookmaker.com). Whether or not the Jets cover, their D will do enough disruptive things to keep the score down.Statorama said:johnnyrock62000 said:If you like the Saints, that line will be -3 by gametime.
saintsfan
Footballguy
I've heard several times about the grass and turf thing and I'm not sure I buy it. How do you know they lost the games because they were on grass? Maybe they lost because they are not a good road team. Turf wins over Det and StL, IMO, doesn't prove anything.I think the Vikes are dominant at home and average on the road. Does that mean the Saints are definately going to win?? No, but I think you are discounting the homefield advantage the Saints are going to have by explaining away the road struggles with the grass excuse.Vikes were 4-4 on the road. Six of the road games were on grass. On grass Vikes were 2-4. On turf the Vikes were 10-0 (albeit their 2 road turf wins were against Det and StL).JJP said:No way that line moves to the magic 3 by gametime. The Saints are the leagues Alpha Male, and the Vikings are a Jekyll and Hyde team; great at home, but clearly far inferior on the road. This D gave up 36 points to the Bears in their last road game. Carolina made them look bad the week before that.As for the other game, I LOVE the Under 41 (now its 40 1/2 at Bookmaker.com). Whether or not the Jets cover, their D will do enough disruptive things to keep the score down.Statorama said:johnnyrock62000 said:If you like the Saints, that line will be -3 by gametime.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
The #1 offense cant put up points on your D? Is that what your saying? Why? Because you beat down the Cowboys? It has nothing to do with how the Saints match up. Drew gets the ball out way faster than Romo I can guarantee that. He rarely gets sacked because he is so quick with his reads. I bet the Saints get no less than 30 points in this game. Also I would be willing to bet the Saints defense could be just as fierce against the Vikings offense as you are thinking your D will be against us. They shut down the Cards offense, you know the team that lit you guys up a few weeks back. Just saying.johnnyrock62000 said:
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RandyDB
Footballguy
I don't think I am discounting home field advantage. Viking fans have seen the advantage of "home cooking" all year, and it will definately be an advantage for the Saints. But I have seen the Vikings D line and linebackers struggle on grass. Maybe struggle isn't the right word either, but they are faster to the ball or QB on turf (as I assume most players/teams are). Mostly I am trying to say that I think this should be a great game and a good test for both teams.I've heard several times about the grass and turf thing and I'm not sure I buy it. How do you know they lost the games because they were on grass? Maybe they lost because they are not a good road team. Turf wins over Det and StL, IMO, doesn't prove anything.I think the Vikes are dominant at home and average on the road. Does that mean the Saints are definately going to win?? No, but I think you are discounting the homefield advantage the Saints are going to have by explaining away the road struggles with the grass excuse.Vikes were 4-4 on the road. Six of the road games were on grass. On grass Vikes were 2-4. On turf the Vikes were 10-0 (albeit their 2 road turf wins were against Det and StL).JJP said:No way that line moves to the magic 3 by gametime. The Saints are the leagues Alpha Male, and the Vikings are a Jekyll and Hyde team; great at home, but clearly far inferior on the road. This D gave up 36 points to the Bears in their last road game. Carolina made them look bad the week before that.As for the other game, I LOVE the Under 41 (now its 40 1/2 at Bookmaker.com). Whether or not the Jets cover, their D will do enough disruptive things to keep the score down.Statorama said:johnnyrock62000 said:If you like the Saints, that line will be -3 by gametime.
RandyDB
Footballguy
In regard to the bolded statement we could play this game all day.They (Vikes) shut down the Cowboys offense, you know the team that lit you guys up a few weeks back.
We aren't the Cardinals, and you aren't the Cowboys.
This should be a great game and a good test for both teams.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
The Cowboys beat us by a touchdown with 6 starters out. Yes I do expect a very hard fought game and I do think the Saints match up better against the Vikings defense than we do the cowboys because of your secondary. The Vikings have to be licking their chops on how they will run against the Saints. It will be a hard fought game on a whole different level than the regular season. The two teams didn't finish with the best two records in the NFC for nothing.
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The Vikings have one of the biggest home field advantages in the entire NFL. That place is so loud, its almost impossible for the opponent to hear their QB when the crowd gets going. The baseball brother, the Twins, have to be on crack to want to leave their huge homefield advantage and play games outside in 35 degree weather for the first 6 weeks of the season.
Fact of the matter is, they will get rattled in the SuperDome. The Saints simply are the better team, and they will stick it to Minnesota.
Fact of the matter is, they will get rattled in the SuperDome. The Saints simply are the better team, and they will stick it to Minnesota.
massraider
Footballguy
That's where I'm at.I'd bet the house on the Colts
saintsfan
Footballguy
SaintsQBWRDBMLBVikingsRBDEDTOLBPushTEOT (Saints have a better RT, Vikings a better LT)OG (Saints have a better LG, Vikings a better RG)To me, they seem pretty evenly matched. I would give the Saints an edge for being at home and having the better QB. at this stage of their careers.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Shiancoe and Shockey are a push? I guess. Drew spreads the ball too much and Shockey isnt as go to for him as Shiancoe is for Farve. Both are respectable at the position IMO.
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saintsfan
Footballguy
Shockey's been way too injured for me to give it to him outright.Shiancoe is a young and upcoming player.
mozzy84
Footballguy
Shaincoe is a much better player right now than shockey, the guy can hardly run. I would also say the vikes receivers are alot more scary than anything the saints have.
two_dollars
Footballguy
I'll take the Colts and Vikes vs this spread.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Note to self
allas , just a few weeks ago, In N.O., ran 36 times for 145 yards and 2 rush TDs against that soft Saints rush defense..that alone will be ADP's statline from this game..he's going to carve that defense to shreds.
the smallish Saints defenders can't stop a power running game.
what's worse, the 'Aints rank
22nd in yards allowed
18th in atts
28th in rush TD allowed
26th in yards/att
Passing:
20th in net yards/att
26th in passing yards allowed
30th pass atts
23rd in first downs allowed
overall:
18th in pts allowed
25th in yards allowed.
so now we know why Brees throws for 400-500 yards/gm, because the 'Aints defense can't stop anyone..
and those rushing numbers would be a lot worse, when you consider the fact that most teams were trailing and abandoned the run in favor of more passing plays..
Miami carved up that soft defense, rushing 30 times for 137 yards and 4 rush tds.Atl 21-161-1 (first game), Carolina 39-182-2, TB 34-176-1.
for lack of a better term or comparison, this 'Aints defense is the Buffalo Bills defense when it comes to stopping the run..
Aints apparently can't stop opposing TE's, either:
Gonzo 6-89
Gonzo 6-50
Davis 5-53-1
Witten 5-44
All of these teams kept the games close, and none of them has the talent/firepower or defense that the Vikings have..
and you're now facing the biggest O-line in football, with a speedy Harvin and a lanky Rice, and perhaps the best RB in ADP, and you're looking at a long day here..
you can talk all you want about how they 'Aints have a great QB, great WR's, bla bla bla. Without a doubt, the weakest link in this game, is that 'Aints defense...
If ADP hasn't had a 100 yard game in 8 weeks now, isn't he long,long overdue to have one of his patented , 180+ yard, 3 td games??
you cannot put 8-in-the-box vs. Favre, he'll chew you to bits..
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Breesisdaman
Footballguy
long post but this is not the same defense that played Dallas so sorry. They gave wells that 1 nice run and pretty much shut him down the rest of the game. Greer makes all the difference in the world to this defense and especially in how he frees up Sharper to do the other things that he does so well. By the way were has AP been lately is he hurt?Note to self
that alone will be ADP's statline from this game..he's going to carve that defense to shreds.
the smallish Saints defenders can't stop a power running game.
what's worse, the 'Aints rank
22nd in yards allowed
18th in atts
28th in rush TD allowed
26th in yards/att
Passing:
20th in net yards/att
26th in passing yards allowed
30th pass atts
23rd in first downs allowed
overall:
18th in pts allowed
25th in yards allowed.
so now we know why Brees throws for 400-500 yards/gm, because the 'Aints defense can't stop anyone..
and those rushing numbers would be a lot worse, when you consider the fact that most teams were trailing and abandoned the run in favor of more passing plays..
Miami carved up that soft defense, rushing 30 times for 137 yards and 4 rush tds.Atl 21-161-1 (first game), Carolina 39-182-2, TB 34-176-1.
for lack of a better term or comparison, this 'Aints defense is the Buffalo Bills defense when it comes to stopping the run..
Aints apparently can't stop opposing TE's, either:
Gonzo 6-89
Gonzo 6-50
Davis 5-53-1
Witten 5-44
All of these teams kept the games close, and none of them has the talent/firepower or defense that the Vikings have..
and you're now facing the biggest O-line in football, with a speedy Harvin and a lanky Rice, and perhaps the best RB in ADP, and you're looking at a long day here..
you can talk all you want about how they 'Aints have a great QB, great WR's, bla bla bla. Without a doubt, the weakest link in this game, is that 'Aints defense...
If ADP hasn't had a 100 yard game in 8 weeks now, isn't he long,long overdue to have one of his patented , 180+ yard, 3 td games??
you cannot put 8-in-the-box vs. Favre, he'll chew you to bits..
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Otis
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
Colts and Saints vs. the spread here. Brees will throw 4 TDS, Bush will have 2, and Favre will throw a couple picks. Loved the Vikes to this point but the buck stops here.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
You do realize that Hutchinson plays LG?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
If the Vikings have the better RB and the O-Line positions are a push, wouldn't you expect the Vikings to have the better rushing numbers?The Saints have more yards, more yards-per-carry, more rushing TDS and more rushing first downs than the Vikings, and have lost fewer fumbles. The two teams ran virtually the same number of rushing plays. And those numbers are from before this past weekends' games.By ANY possible measurement, the Saints have the better rushing attack. Don't mistake the Vikings' flashier names at RB, OT and OG for an advantage on the field.
saintsfan
Footballguy
I would only give a slight edge to the Saints at WR because I think they are deeper and I think Colston is the best one one either team. If Rice does this again next year, it might be a pushYup. They match up pretty evenly. Should make for a good game. I'm looking forward to it!
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