Between Bell and Dayne (better receiver?) (1 Viewer)

[Rushmore]

Not trying to start another "who is the man" thread. Just wanted to know who looks to catch more passes out of the backfield. Are either known for having good hands?

 

[David Yudkin]

Dayne has a high of 11 catches in a season and has 26 total receptions in 5 seasons. He won't be seeing many targets this year.

 

[MLBrandow]

Dayne has a high of 11 catches in a season and has 26 total receptions in 5 seasons. He won't be seeing many targets this year.

Another reason why Bell makes the ideal third down back for DEN.

 

[Rushmore]

Dayne has a high of 11 catches in a season and has 26 total receptions in 5 seasons. He won't be seeing many targets this year.

Interesting. I thought I read somewhere early last season where the staff wasn't happy with Bell's pass-catching at one point.

 

[David Yudkin]

Dayne has a high of 11 catches in a season and has 26 total receptions in 5 seasons.  He won't be seeing many targets this year.

Interesting. I thought I read somewhere early last season where the staff wasn't happy with Bell's pass-catching at one point.

That may well be true, but I highly doubt that they give Dayne many looks unless Plummer is staring a Mack truck in the face.

 

[diesel7982]

Who is the better reciever is irrelevant. Denver RBs are used to block, not catch, on 3rd down.

The better recieving backs(Portis, Droughns) caught 30+ passes in their starting years, but in the years they havent had a solid reciever in the backfield(which they dont this year), they keep them in as blockers.

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Not trying to start another "who is the man" thread. Just wanted to know who looks to catch more passes out of the backfield. Are either known for having good hands?

Bell: 18 receptions in 2005Dayne: 26 receptions in 6 year career.

 

[wannabee]

On third downs last year, Bell caught 3 passes from his 8 targets. I have maintained for a couple of years that Bell is not a good receiver or pass blocker. We will see .....

 

[Bankerguy]

On third downs last year, Bell caught 3 passes from his 8 targets. I have maintained for a couple of years that Bell is not a good receiver or pass blocker. We will see .....

I totally agree.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Bell may be the better receiver. But the answer to "Who catches the passes?" is neither Bell nor Dayne. It is Rod Smith and Javon Walker.

 

[nygiants56]

Dayne has a high of 11 catches in a season and has 26 total receptions in 5 seasons. He won't be seeing many targets this year.

If I'm not mistaken, dayne caught just 1 pass his Sr. year at Wisconsin and not much since...he has stone hands..

 

[rascal]

Dayne has a high of 11 catches in a season and has 26 total receptions in 5 seasons.  He won't be seeing many targets this year.

Another reason why Bell makes the ideal third down back for DEN.

I wouldn't go that far.Denver tried to install plays specifically for Bell last year as a receiving back. I remember seeing several attempted only to fail because Bell couldn't catch the ball. he's been working on it apparently, but the video I've seen of him in OTA still shows him bumbling the ball when he tries to catch it.

The correct answer is who is the better blocker...that will be the person in on 3rd on passing plays. Especially with Kyle JOhnson and Cecil Sapp who have much better hands at FB.

 

[wannabee]

On third downs last year, Bell caught 3 passes from his 8 targets. I have maintained for a couple of years that Bell is not a good receiver or pass blocker. We will see .....

On those three catches noted above, one went for first down.Here is how each RB, since 2002, has fared on 3rd and 4th down. Bell does have a very good ypc on 3rd and 4th downs. This is from draw plays with many yards to go.

http://www.footballguys.com/datadom.php?pt...al=5&mincat=rsh

To point this out further, look at Bell's 10 ypc on 3rd and 4th down with 5 or more yards to go. For those too lazy to look it up, it is 10 ypc. 120 yards on 10 carries.

http://www.footballguys.com/datadom.php?pt...al=5&mincat=rsh

 

[qimqam]

On third downs last year, Bell caught 3 passes from his 8 targets.  I have maintained for a couple of years that Bell is not a good receiver or pass blocker.  We will see .....

On those three catches noted above, one went for first down.Here is how each RB, since 2002, has fared on 3rd and 4th down. Bell does have a very good ypc on 3rd and 4th downs. This is from draw plays with many yards to go.

http://www.footballguys.com/datadom.php?pt...al=5&mincat=rsh

To point this out further, look at Bell's 10 ypc on 3rd and 4th down with 5 or more yards to go. For those too lazy to look it up, it is 10 ypc. 120 yards on 10 carries.

http://www.footballguys.com/datadom.php?pt...al=5&mincat=rsh

Bell is a beast. Top 5-7 rb if he gets 300 carries.

 

[rascal]

On third downs last year, Bell caught 3 passes from his 8 targets.  I have maintained for a couple of years that Bell is not a good receiver or pass blocker.  We will see .....

On those three catches noted above, one went for first down.Here is how each RB, since 2002, has fared on 3rd and 4th down. Bell does have a very good ypc on 3rd and 4th downs. This is from draw plays with many yards to go.

http://www.footballguys.com/datadom.php?pt...al=5&mincat=rsh

To point this out further, look at Bell's 10 ypc on 3rd and 4th down with 5 or more yards to go. For those too lazy to look it up, it is 10 ypc. 120 yards on 10 carries.

http://www.footballguys.com/datadom.php?pt...al=5&mincat=rsh

Bell is a beast. Top 5-7 rb if he gets 300 carries.

Amos Zeroque could be a top 5 RB in that system if he got 300 carries.

 

[wannabee]

On third downs last year, Bell caught 3 passes from his 8 targets.  I have maintained for a couple of years that Bell is not a good receiver or pass blocker.  We will see .....

On those three catches noted above, one went for first down.Here is how each RB, since 2002, has fared on 3rd and 4th down. Bell does have a very good ypc on 3rd and 4th downs. This is from draw plays with many yards to go.

http://www.footballguys.com/datadom.php?pt...al=5&mincat=rsh

To point this out further, look at Bell's 10 ypc on 3rd and 4th down with 5 or more yards to go. For those too lazy to look it up, it is 10 ypc. 120 yards on 10 carries.

http://www.footballguys.com/datadom.php?pt...al=5&mincat=rsh

Bell is a beast. Top 5-7 rb if he gets 300 carries.

You are assuming no injuries. Do you think there might be a reason why Shanny wants to limit Bell's touches to 12-15 per game?

 

[qimqam]

On third downs last year, Bell caught 3 passes from his 8 targets.  I have maintained for a couple of years that Bell is not a good receiver or pass blocker.  We will see .....

On those three catches noted above, one went for first down.Here is how each RB, since 2002, has fared on 3rd and 4th down. Bell does have a very good ypc on 3rd and 4th downs. This is from draw plays with many yards to go.

http://www.footballguys.com/datadom.php?pt...al=5&mincat=rsh

To point this out further, look at Bell's 10 ypc on 3rd and 4th down with 5 or more yards to go. For those too lazy to look it up, it is 10 ypc. 120 yards on 10 carries.

http://www.footballguys.com/datadom.php?pt...al=5&mincat=rsh

Bell is a beast. Top 5-7 rb if he gets 300 carries.

You are assuming no injuries. Do you think there might be a reason why Shanny wants to limit Bell's touches to 12-15 per game?

Motivation ...He knows Bell is a beast but he needs him to take it to the next level.

 

[wannabee]

On third downs last year, Bell caught 3 passes from his 8 targets.  I have maintained for a couple of years that Bell is not a good receiver or pass blocker.  We will see .....

On those three catches noted above, one went for first down.Here is how each RB, since 2002, has fared on 3rd and 4th down. Bell does have a very good ypc on 3rd and 4th downs. This is from draw plays with many yards to go.

http://www.footballguys.com/datadom.php?pt...al=5&mincat=rsh

To point this out further, look at Bell's 10 ypc on 3rd and 4th down with 5 or more yards to go. For those too lazy to look it up, it is 10 ypc. 120 yards on 10 carries.

http://www.footballguys.com/datadom.php?pt...al=5&mincat=rsh

Bell is a beast. Top 5-7 rb if he gets 300 carries.

You are assuming no injuries. Do you think there might be a reason why Shanny wants to limit Bell's touches to 12-15 per game?

Motivation ...He knows Bell is a beast but he needs him to take it to the next level.

you must not follow Bell much

 

[Marc Levin]

Dayne has a high of 11 catches in a season and has 26 total receptions in 5 seasons. He won't be seeing many targets this year.

Thread over.Nothing left to discuss.

 

[SSOG]

Just wanted to know who looks to catch more passes out of the backfield.

Kyle Johnson.As far as how good of receivers they both are...

www.footballoutsiders.com

Last year, Bell had a 64% catch% (4th lowest out of the 53 backs ranked). He had a DVOA of -41.8%, 52nd out of the 53 backs ranked. The season before there's no data available, since he had fewer than 10 targets. Ron Dayne, on the other hand, hasn't had enough targets to qualify since 2002, when he caught a remarkable 91.7% of the passes directed his way, but was so ineffective once he caught it he still posted a -36.2% DVOA. However, in 2001, he managed to catch 72.7% and put up a very nice DVOA (29.2%).

Still, I really don't think either back is going to be a threat to get more than 20 catches, tops.

 

[rascal]

Just wanted to know who looks to catch more passes out of the backfield.

Kyle Johnson.As far as how good of receivers they both are...

www.footballoutsiders.com

Last year, Bell had a 64% catch% (4th lowest out of the 53 backs ranked). He had a DVOA of -41.8%, 52nd out of the 53 backs ranked. The season before there's no data available, since he had fewer than 10 targets. Ron Dayne, on the other hand, hasn't had enough targets to qualify since 2002, when he caught a remarkable 91.7% of the passes directed his way, but was so ineffective once he caught it he still posted a -36.2% DVOA. However, in 2001, he managed to catch 72.7% and put up a very nice DVOA (29.2%).

Still, I really don't think either back is going to be a threat to get more than 20 catches, tops.

Quotted for truth.This backs my post about Cecil Sapp and Kyle Johnson...yeah!!!!