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Beware of Kevin Jones this season... (2 Viewers)

Da Guru said:
As you know I have a friend who is close to a couple of Lion assistant coaches.I saw him at a golf outing yesterday and asked what the scoop was..he stated things were pretty quiet so far..but one thing he did say is that he was told that KJ has been pushing real hard to come back and his foot is not doing that great.Still limping and in some pain. Take this however you want but I would not count on KJ too much this season.
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Thanks , something to really watch during the preseason is how this pain could affect his running style and mannerisms like cutting , speed, whether he can last a full game or if the injury is enough to reduce his workloadinteresting ...
 
Da Guru said:
Gr00vus said:
Da Guru said:
Gr00vus said:
I can't believe I have to actually consider drafting Tatum Bell and TJ Duckett again. :hot:
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No problem..I am with you, I have already stated that I will not have a RB named "Bell" on my team again this year.
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At some point there's value in both these guys though given your info, so I can't just totally write them off, which I find annoying - especially after T.J.'s stellar 2006 season, much of which he "graced" my roster.
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I agree..I was just kidding. I suffered through having both Bells on my team last season and always playing the wrong one.
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I hear you there on the Bells ! plus that TD Vulture Duckett !
 
He may be right; I don't know. He may have a good "track record." I make my decisions based upon public information. There was 'inside information' reported by sources close to the team that Vick was not going to be indicted. There is a reason why hear say is not admissible in court. No offense to the person who posted and keep posting, but it doesn't change anything in my mind.

 
I for one would like to thank Guru for his snipits of info regarding the Lions. He's always shared very good information :rolleyes:

 
az_prof said:
He may be right; I don't know. He may have a good "track record." I make my decisions based upon public information. There was 'inside information' reported by sources close to the team that Vick was not going to be indicted. There is a reason why hear say is not admissible in court. No offense to the person who posted and keep posting, but it doesn't change anything in my mind.
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As I mentioned in my first post, it doesn't change anything in my mind either as it's a halfway expected step in the physical rehab process but it's a useful reminder.Many times over the last several years I've felt like football players are either halfway lazy or people that work out so much it's mind boggling. Rarely ever hear of anyone being in between. (As I mentioned previously)The latter always struggle with the R, rest, of that RICE routine every physical therapist and doc gives them.
 
A couple of years ago there was a poster (I forgot who) who claimed to have inside info on Priest.. His info was correct, but there were lots of doubters. I acted on the info and traded him months before what the poster said was going to happen happened. Scoundrel I know.

 
As with the other thread, just bumping to see if anyone has anything further to add to the Kevin Jones saga. Is he destined for the PUP list, or might he make it into camp? IIRC, Detroit's training camp opens pretty early this year, compared to other teams, so maybe some local Detroit papers/radio stations are talking about this now.

 
Loomba said:
As with the other thread, just bumping to see if anyone has anything further to add to the Kevin Jones saga. Is he destined for the PUP list, or might he make it into camp? IIRC, Detroit's training camp opens pretty early this year, compared to other teams, so maybe some local Detroit papers/radio stations are talking about this now.
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I haven't heard or read anything here recently.
 
FunkyPlutos said:
So what are the dynasty prospects of Jones? Is he in a keep mode now, or is it a sell now before we find out worse for next year?
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I am also wondering about Jones' Dynasty value. I have him in a dynasty league and I have had some owners ask about his availability. I have serious concerns about his future due to his lack of durability, but what do others think? :jawdrop:
 
Lions homer and I'm willing to bet that the team is going to have the final say in KJ coming back to play. Martz loves Tatum's speed and has been quite impressed with him. It makes no sense for the Lions to rush KJ back when they have Tatum and Duckett to hold the fort down.

My guess is this: Tatum is the starter with Duckett taking the goalline. KJ is PUPed and returns to be more of the receiver/change of pace back. It makes the most sense for the team but we are talking about the Lions here.

 
I agree that he is complaining a bit too much but as a KJ owner I like the fire in him after seeing those statements

 
this is from that Lions forum

HE DIDN"T SAY THAT!!!!! He Said " Don't count him out" and said " He thinks KJ will be there game 1" He didn't say it was a fact and i didn't hear anything about him cutting and catching balls out of the backfield and i heard him talk because Valente made the comment " If Mulitalo was that good why did Baltimore let him go" so i know what you are talking about but he didn't say it was for sure
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Ortiz didn't say it as a fact. It's merely his steadfast belief that it'll happen. And with Bell making his comments, I think it could cause KJ to take the dare and try to be ready by Week 1.If he's on PUP can he really be practicing with the team? I know he did some "cutting" apparently for the first time. But he's taken no hits -- and even KJ seems to think that this is a process ... that will play out. He offers hope and expectation -- but he knows it's a process. He'll be ready ... when he's ready. Hopefully he'll recognize not to rush things. Part of it IS on his shoulders. The medical staff can see only so much. KJ's own reports of how things feel are a big part of things -- and if he bites his lip and acts like things are just "fine" -- well ... the medical staff factors that in.I actually like that a guy wants to get back as soon as possible. But I also hope that cool heads prevail and that he comes back when he's sufficiently ready to return. Maybe we'll even do as much as possible to avoid ... a hamstring injury. That's the kind of injury that can easily occur if a guy really hasn't been going full-speed much and then is suddenly thrust into a real game situation. I'm no expert -- but it seems to happen.I think we're BETTER with KJ than without him -- but if both Bell and Duckett are healthy, I think we're sufficient at RB to do all we want to do on offense.Still -- having the full package in one player is better than a Ying and Yang situation. Bell can do only certain things well. Duckett can do only certain things well. Each has big weaknesses. KJ is the most complete RB on the team ... and his presence in the backfield -- if healthy -- would be very welcome.
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If KJ starts the season on the PUP list then does he miss the first 6 weeks or the first 6 games? The Week 6 bye could influence the teams' decision about the PUP list.

 
I am subbing in a golf league on Thursday. The guy who knows the Lions coachs plays in the league. Hopefully I will get some fresh info.

 
Local KJ news:

mlive.com:

Tuesday's news: Running back Kevin Jones, recovering from Lisfranc surgery on his left foot, continues to show progress in his rehabilitation. "He's running very well. He's not there yet, but he's doing well,'' said Lions president Matt Millen. The Lions will likely wait two more weeks before determining whether Jones will be ready to play in the regular-season opener Sept. 9 against the Oakland Raiders.

Detroit News:

Injured Lions running back Kevin Jones plans on being the starter Sept. 9 in the season opener at Oakland. He took a step toward his goal by catching passes Thursday for the first time since injuring his left foot late last season. Strength and conditioning coach Malcolm Blacken fired passes to Jones, who caught balls and made cuts against imaginary defenders. "It was a good day," a smiling Jones said. "I felt good. The bottom line is, it was feeling better so I said, 'Let's do some reps.' We are going day by day."

Marinelli comments on KJ:

> On RB Kevin Jones

“Just day-to-day still; just day-to-day running, cutting, all those things. We’ll see how it works out. That’s a hard injury for a trainer to deal with. It’s just about pain sometimes.”

>> On if Jones will have a reaction to playing in pads

“No question. As soon as you put the pads on, and, boy, you plant and make contact – these are tough injuries, but we’ll just play it (out). It’s up to the trainers when they give him a green light to add to.”

Lions beat writer Tom Kowalski was on local radio yesterday and is still in the 50-50 camp regarding him starting on PUP. He says when KJ is healthy, he is the unquestioned starter, and that the Lions and Martz believe he is an elite RB.

My own opinion still is about 90-10 that he starts on PUP, and I believe he plays and starts when he comes off. But the fact is nobody knows right now.

The Lions are expected to decide within the next 2 weeks or so.

 
Bird said:
If KJ starts the season on the PUP list then does he miss the first 6 weeks or the first 6 games? The Week 6 bye could influence the teams' decision about the PUP list.
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Unless current news is bogus (link), the Lion's wouldn't start KJ on the PUP. With over a month to go before week 1, he's in very good shape and cutting. Barring a setback, I doubt they'd hamstring him for 6 more weeks.
 
Rev said:
Bird said:
If KJ starts the season on the PUP list then does he miss the first 6 weeks or the first 6 games? The Week 6 bye could influence the teams' decision about the PUP list.
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Unless current news is bogus (link), the Lion's wouldn't start KJ on the PUP. With over a month to go before week 1, he's in very good shape and cutting. Barring a setback, I doubt they'd hamstring him for 6 more weeks.
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He has yet to cut in contact drills, which is significantly different than running and cutting on the sidelines. They will err on the side of caution in my opinion. If they arent convinced in the next 2 weeks that he has a good chance to play in week 1, then they will likely place him on the PUP list.
 
Anyone drafting KJ is taking an extreme risk right now,

especially in a redraft league. I bumped him down to

#30 RB (dynasty).

 
Rev said:
Unless current news is bogus (link), the Lion's wouldn't start KJ on the PUP. With over a month to go before week 1, he's in very good shape and cutting. Barring a setback, I doubt they'd hamstring him for 6 more weeks.
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I see nothing in that link that supports what you wrote.
 
There is every reason for the Lions to start KJ on PuP. If they didnt they would probably have to cut Calhoun. By starting Jones on PuP, they can see what they have in Duckett, Bell, and Calhoun before moving forward with Jones.

I see zero chance of Jones NOT being on PuP to start the season.

 
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Block said:
There is every reason for the Lions to start KJ on PuP. If they didnt they would probably have to cut Calhoun. By starting Jones on PuP, they can see what they have in Duckett, Bell, and Calhoun before moving forward with Jones.I see zero chance of Jones NOT being on PuP to start the season.
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Well, besides the very likely possibility that Tatum Bell will hurt his eyelash and be out for 4-5 weeks. If KJ is close to ready, he won't be on the PUP. And Calhoun will still be on team even if KJ is in the lineup - bryson's release ensured that.
 
blend said:
Block said:
There is every reason for the Lions to start KJ on PuP. If they didnt they would probably have to cut Calhoun. By starting Jones on PuP, they can see what they have in Duckett, Bell, and Calhoun before moving forward with Jones.I see zero chance of Jones NOT being on PuP to start the season.
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Well, besides the very likely possibility that Tatum Bell will hurt his eyelash and be out for 4-5 weeks. If KJ is close to ready, he won't be on the PUP. And Calhoun will still be on team even if KJ is in the lineup - bryson's release ensured that.
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The point is that if Jones will be limited in any way whatsoever, there is no reason to not put him on PuP. They have 3 runners they need to learn things about in Bell, Duckett, and Calhoun. That's plenty.
 
Calhoun is not guaranteed to make this team.

Calhoun has a slim to none chance of being on the team if KJ is not placed on PUP.

Even if KJ starts on PUP, Cason has the edge on Calhoun right now because he is much better on special teams. If both make the roster, Calhoun would likely be deactivated on game day because Cason is a lot better on special teams.

Calhoun is not a factor in the KJ to PUP discussion at all. Calhoun will not play much, if at all regardless.

Bryson was a FB, so his release means nothing.

There is also a chance the Lions try to put Calhoun on IR.

There is nothing etched in stone about whether or not KJ starts the season on PUP.

 
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Anthony Borbely said:
Calhoun is not guaranteed to make this team. Calhoun has a slim to none chance of being on the team if KJ is not placed on PUP. Even if KJ starts on PUP, Cason has the edge on Calhoun right now because he is much better on special teams. If both make the roster, Calhoun would likely be deactivated on game day because Cason is a lot better on special teams. Calhoun is not a factor in the KJ to PUP discussion at all. Calhoun will not play much, if at all regardless. Bryson was a FB, so his release means nothing. There is also a chance the Lions try to put Calhoun on IR. There is nothing etched in stone about whether or not KJ starts the season on PUP.
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Are you trying to prove my point?What I'm saying is that if their alternatives are to either 1) put KJ on PuP for 6 weeks, let him heal, and see what Calhoun can do in a real game, or 2) cut Calhoun and keep KJ active, option 1 is much more attractive. You get to keep a young player and see what he can do for a bit longer and let the injured guy heal some more.
 
I have a hard time seeing the Lions putting him on the PUP if he is anywhere near ready if they believe that they have a playoff team this season. They need to have him to make the playoffs and having him out for six games would be huge.

 
Block said:
Anthony Borbely said:
Calhoun is not guaranteed to make this team. Calhoun has a slim to none chance of being on the team if KJ is not placed on PUP. Even if KJ starts on PUP, Cason has the edge on Calhoun right now because he is much better on special teams. If both make the roster, Calhoun would likely be deactivated on game day because Cason is a lot better on special teams. Calhoun is not a factor in the KJ to PUP discussion at all. Calhoun will not play much, if at all regardless. Bryson was a FB, so his release means nothing. There is also a chance the Lions try to put Calhoun on IR. There is nothing etched in stone about whether or not KJ starts the season on PUP.
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Are you trying to prove my point?What I'm saying is that if their alternatives are to either 1) put KJ on PuP for 6 weeks, let him heal, and see what Calhoun can do in a real game, or 2) cut Calhoun and keep KJ active, option 1 is much more attractive. You get to keep a young player and see what he can do for a bit longer and let the injured guy heal some more.
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I'm saying that their decision will not have anything to do with Calhoun. The Lions aren't as high on him as the fantasy world is. The options are either KJ is not on PUP and starts the season, or he is on PUP. Calhoun has no bearing on whether or not KJ goes on PUP. He will be lucky to make the roster either way, and even if he does, he will not play much if at all in a regular season game.
 
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Anthony Borbely said:
Block said:
Anthony Borbely said:
Calhoun is not guaranteed to make this team. Calhoun has a slim to none chance of being on the team if KJ is not placed on PUP. Even if KJ starts on PUP, Cason has the edge on Calhoun right now because he is much better on special teams. If both make the roster, Calhoun would likely be deactivated on game day because Cason is a lot better on special teams. Calhoun is not a factor in the KJ to PUP discussion at all. Calhoun will not play much, if at all regardless. Bryson was a FB, so his release means nothing. There is also a chance the Lions try to put Calhoun on IR. There is nothing etched in stone about whether or not KJ starts the season on PUP.
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Are you trying to prove my point?What I'm saying is that if their alternatives are to either 1) put KJ on PuP for 6 weeks, let him heal, and see what Calhoun can do in a real game, or 2) cut Calhoun and keep KJ active, option 1 is much more attractive. You get to keep a young player and see what he can do for a bit longer and let the injured guy heal some more.
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I'm saying that their decision will not have anything to do with Calhoun. The Lions aren't as high on him as the fantasy world is. The options are either KJ is not on PUP and starts the season, or he is on PUP. Calhoun has no bearing on whether or not KJ goes on PUP. He will be lucky to make the roster either way, and even if he does, he will not play much if at all in a regular season game.
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I guess we just disagree here. I think the prospect of cutting Calhoun before he even plays in a game is something the Lions will want to avoid.
 
Ron_Mexico said:
Anyone drafting KJ is taking an extreme risk right now,especially in a redraft league. I bumped him down to#30 RB (dynasty).
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I still say he's a good value buy in dynasty. People are giving him away. I traded Bernard Berrian for him straight up, didnt need Berrian
 
Anthony Borbely said:
ThePittbully said:
Ron_Mexico said:
Anyone drafting KJ is taking an extreme risk right now,especially in a redraft league. I bumped him down to#30 RB (dynasty).
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I still say he's a good value buy in dynasty. People are giving him away. I traded Bernard Berrian for him straight up, didnt need Berrian
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Yep...I got him on the cheap in my only dynasty league as well...while you guys are buying low you should snag Lendale White.
 
Anthony Borbely said:
ThePittbully said:
Ron_Mexico said:
Anyone drafting KJ is taking an extreme risk right now,especially in a redraft league. I bumped him down to#30 RB (dynasty).
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I still say he's a good value buy in dynasty. People are giving him away. I traded Bernard Berrian for him straight up, didnt need Berrian
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:no:
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A "good buy", and a "good value buy" are two entirely different things.I don't believe he is a good buy at all right now,but if you can deal Berrian straight up for him,this this definitely falls under the category of "value".
 
Anthony Borbely said:
Rev said:
Bird said:
If KJ starts the season on the PUP list then does he miss the first 6 weeks or the first 6 games? The Week 6 bye could influence the teams' decision about the PUP list.
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Unless current news is bogus (link), the Lion's wouldn't start KJ on the PUP. With over a month to go before week 1, he's in very good shape and cutting. Barring a setback, I doubt they'd hamstring him for 6 more weeks.
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He has yet to cut in contact drills, which is significantly different than running and cutting on the sidelines. They will err on the side of caution in my opinion. If they arent convinced in the next 2 weeks that he has a good chance to play in week 1, then they will likely place him on the PUP list.
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With Bell and Duckett there really is no reason to rush KJ back. There is no doubt in my mind he will start the season on the PUP list.
 
Da Guru said:
Anthony Borbely said:
Rev said:
Bird said:
If KJ starts the season on the PUP list then does he miss the first 6 weeks or the first 6 games? The Week 6 bye could influence the teams' decision about the PUP list.
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Unless current news is bogus (link), the Lion's wouldn't start KJ on the PUP. With over a month to go before week 1, he's in very good shape and cutting. Barring a setback, I doubt they'd hamstring him for 6 more weeks.
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He has yet to cut in contact drills, which is significantly different than running and cutting on the sidelines. They will err on the side of caution in my opinion. If they arent convinced in the next 2 weeks that he has a good chance to play in week 1, then they will likely place him on the PUP list.
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With Bell and Duckett there really is no reason to rush KJ back. There is no doubt in my mind he will start the season on the PUP list.
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You're probably right. I think it's 90-10 for PUP. I was at Lions practice Saturday, and can't believe how good Duckett looked. He looked to be in top physical shape.

 
Anthony Borbely said:
Lions beat writer Tom Kowalski was on local radio yesterday and is still in the 50-50 camp regarding him starting on PUP. He says when KJ is healthy, he is the unquestioned starter, and that the Lions and Martz believe he is an elite RB.
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As a dynasty KJ owner who can wait on him, this is the best news in this thread. That statement means committment from those who matter the most in this situation. With that said, I'd actually prefer that he start the season on the PUP so that he comes in 100% with little chance of re-aggravating the injury.
 
JetMaxx said:
Anthony Borbely said:
Lions beat writer Tom Kowalski was on local radio yesterday and is still in the 50-50 camp regarding him starting on PUP. He says when KJ is healthy, he is the unquestioned starter, and that the Lions and Martz believe he is an elite RB.
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As a dynasty KJ owner who can wait on him, this is the best news in this thread. That statement means committment from those who matter the most in this situation. With that said, I'd actually prefer that he start the season on the PUP so that he comes in 100% with little chance of re-aggravating the injury.
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they could believe that he's Spiderman, but that doesn't make it so . . .
 
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