Biden’s $400k tax threshold - individual or family? (1 Viewer)

[Sinn Fein]

TWEET: Joe Biden X@X JoeBiden  United States Government Official

If you make under $400,000 ( in taxable income), you will not pay a (single) penny more in (income) taxes when I'm president (POTUS). The super-wealthy and big corporations will finally pay their fair share (in taxes) — and we'll invest that (received) money in (to the benefit of) working families. We're going to reward (hard and earned) work — not wealth.

10:20 AM · Sep 17, 2020·TweetDeck

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1306644082597531654

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Should we all break down degrees of lies told into percentages?

Telling the truth or telling a lie is a binary situation. There are no degrees of a lie. It's just a lie. The "Honor Code" is that any omission, intentional or otherwise, is also treated as a lie.

So now truth is important. 
 

Good to know. 

 

[GordonGekko]

I feel like you're leaving out an important fact.

TWEET: Joe Biden X@X JoeBiden  United States Government Official

Under my (proposed) tax plan, no one making under $400,000 (dollars) will see their taxes go up. But it’s (long since) time (that) large corporations and the wealthiest (of all) Americans pay their fair share ( of/in taxes).

5:10 PM · Nov 1, 2020·TweetDeck

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1323069815880327173

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An important fact is that Biden pushed this REPEATED lie again two days before the General Election.

I'm glad you mentioned not leaving out important facts. BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST IF YOU LIE. BUT ALSO WHEN YOU LIE AND FOR WHAT PERSONAL GAIN.

 

[GordonGekko]

I guess I still don't feel like the people making 200K are struggling for food either.  

TWEET: Joe Biden X@X JoeBiden  United States Government Official

Let me be (very and completely) clear: A Biden-Harris Administration won't ( and will not) increase taxes by a (single) dime on anyone making less than $400,000 (dollars) a year.

6:49 PM · Oct 7, 2020·TweetDeck

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1314019962487529477

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Does anyone see a pattern here. Because I've revealed the pattern.  It's a lie repeated OVER AND OVER AGAIN in public.

September 17th 2020

October 7th 2020

November 1st 2020

All done in the critical stages near the General Election in 2020. Strategically spaced out and carefully curated and timed. What is the pathway for misinterpretation here?

Rationalization doesn't wash this away. What is the huge secret here? Printing trillions of dollars at a rate never seen before in America's recorded history. To buy votes. Sweeping policy changes, wokeness, cancel culture and attacks on tradition and culture unchecked. To leverage votes. Creating a humanitarian crisis at the border which was wholly self inflicted. To create new indebted voters to be driven to Red strongholds to flip them Blue. Relentless looting and burning and decimation of America's small businesses, many of them minority owned, and encouraging it.  To maintain the voting block of the radical left and attempt to galvanize black voters all along the ticket for the entire DNC. Attempting to bribe voters by promising amnesty from college loans and dangling possible UBI  and stimulus checks. To try to flip voters after being financially crushed by the pandemic.

Your tax dollars are paying for this. Your grandchildren will likely face economic despair and hyper inflation as their future tax dollars are also now paying for this. Will your grandchildren struggle for food in the future because of this?

Because America's grandchildren can't eat tons and tons of freshly printed money.

They can't eat cancel culture and burned out looted buildings. Woke and demanding loyalty oaths won't fill their bellies at night. Social Justice won't give them a roof over their heads. Changing the language and doxxing people out of their jobs for "wrong think" and failing purity tests won't keep their streets and schools safe. Letting criminals, gang members, those involved in organized crime, sexual predators, murderers and violent felons slip in alongside the masses streaming in unchecked at the border won't help them find good jobs.

Future generations will "feel that struggle" and suffer in misery and terror for the casual indifference laid down today.

 

[GordonGekko]

So now truth is important. 
 

Good to know. 

VIDEO: My Response To Paying HIGHER TAXES | Joe Biden Tax Plan •Dec 2, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCPceVsn2lk

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The truth is a lot of people will need to go back to basics on taxes so I'll start there. You are right, it is good for you to know. Now you've been told.

 

[Terminalxylem]

My assumption was what Commish said - tax return of 400K, so yes, it seems a bit silly to me when people complain about their taxes going up a bit when they are making that - what is that, top 2% of the country?  Different backgrounds, regions of living and all I guess.     

I guess no, I don't worry too much when the top 5-10% get taxed a little more vs. 50K and under who are really struggling.   Do I wish other ways to handle taxes were implemented so that people's income taxes didn't have to go up?  sure - start looking at the stuff people don't usually focus on like capital gains.  

Anecdotally, it seems the more people earn, the more they complain about things like taxes. Maybe their great attention to detail helped them to become wealthy in the first place?

That’s not to say wealthy people deserve to pay more, but it’s hard to get too worked up about a few percentage point tax increase in marginal income over $400K.

 

[Amused to Death]

TWEET: Joe Biden X@X JoeBiden  United States Government Official

Under my (proposed) tax plan, no one making under $400,000 (dollars) will see their taxes go up. But it’s (long since) time (that) large corporations and the wealthiest (of all) Americans pay their fair share ( of/in taxes).

5:10 PM · Nov 1, 2020·TweetDeck

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1323069815880327173

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An important fact is that Biden pushed this REPEATED lie again two days before the General Election.

I'm glad you mentioned not leaving out important facts. BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST IF YOU LIE. BUT ALSO WHEN YOU LIE AND FOR WHAT PERSONAL GAIN.

This is completely irrelevant to the comment I was responding to.

You do you.

 

[lazyike]

Considering that both parties are adding to our national debt and deficit I am ok with a tax increase on those making $200,000 as well but clarification is necessary. I do not however consider this a lie. Here are some examples of flat out lies. While lying about such things like these are not about significant  policy they do address ones trustworthiness particularly if they are not corrected by the individual.

-In 2015 Donald Trump claimed he met Vladimir Putin while filming 60 minutes backstage. CBS quickly came out and stated they Trump interview took place at Trump Towers and the Putin interview took place in Moscow

-Donald Trump claimed he was one of the top students in college class at Wharton. So one would assume Magna, or Summa cum laude of some kind or at the very least making the Dean’s list but he is not listed on the graduation program of any of these accomplishments. To be fair Biden claimed back in 1987  that he graduated in the top half of his law school class which also was not true. in April of 1987 he said that claim was inaccurate.

-Trump claimed he was a very good baseball player and said he was over looked at a try out because all the scout’s focus was on Willie McCovey. There is no evidence that tryout took place, noting that McCovey was eight years Trump’s senior and already a five-year major-league vet by the time the president graduated high school.

 

[lazyike]

One of the reasons I am no longer a Republican is constant focus on lowering taxes......somebody’s gotta pay for this stuff and I have come to realize trickle down tax cuts don’t boost the economy much at all. See this chart showing how taxes paid over the years has lowered since the days of President Eisenhower for the wealthy

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxhYCQh4.gif%3Fnoredirect&h=AT3NhPZ0Efwn-VhTuNow2kYkjb9KEk6w4u783r-CwpaIOdaFUY2SY4KbGTeLMI0SdItdlGxCSrws3PCS3Ez4u_YWYrBecZqOc-p_EPWua9eL9NxOC3BHhrrEK-H-WGoZdEiW12PV4M6QFio&s=1

 

[Amused to Death]

Considering that both parties are adding to our national debt and deficit I am ok with a tax increase on those making $200,000 as well but clarification is necessary. I do not however consider this a lie. Here are some examples of flat out lies. While lying about such things like these are not about significant  policy they do address ones trustworthiness particularly if they are not corrected by the individual.

-In 2015 Donald Trump claimed he met Vladimir Putin while filming 60 minutes backstage. CBS quickly came out and stated they Trump interview took place at Trump Towers and the Putin interview took place in Moscow

-Donald Trump claimed he was one of the top students in college class at Wharton. So one would assume Magna, or Summa cum laude of some kind or at the very least making the Dean’s list but he is not listed on the graduation program of any of these accomplishments. To be fair Biden claimed back in 1987  that he graduated in the top half of his law school class which also was not true. in April of 1987 he said that claim was inaccurate.

-Trump claimed he was a very good baseball player and said he was over looked at a try out because all the scout’s focus was on Willie McCovey. There is no evidence that tryout took place, noting that McCovey was eight years Trump’s senior and already a five-year major-league vet by the time the president graduated high school.

There's also that one about the election being stolen.

 

[The Commish]

That’s an assumption on your part.  There’s a lot of confusion on this and has been for several months.  He hasn’t yet constructed a Bill and we won’t know for sure until he does.

Yes it is...based on what's been said and what's been done for decades.  We don't know until we see the plan.  Regardless, in a two party household, both people contributing to the total AGI are going to be impacted.  That's true in all these bills and always has been.  A person making $20K a year is going to be taxed because their spouse is making $380K a year.  

I may be misinterpreting what your meaning is here.  But there's no way they'll make the impact threshold be at both $400K for individuals and married filing jointly.  It will essentially be a 1:2 ratio.  So it almost has to be $200K/$400K or $400K/$800K.  That's way beyond the "marriage tax" people complain about today.  I don't think there's any way they'd propose something like that.

If this is where he was going, then I apologize.  I'd have never gotten that based on his questions.  There will likely be some tiers like this based on filing status.  

 

[The Commish]

Flat out nonsense.  Biden’s proposed tax plan is one of the largest in history.  In the first year Biden’s proposed tax plan would increase federal revenue by 0.68 percent of GDP, making it the tenth largest tax increase since the 1940s. In the second year of Biden’s plan, when the temporary expansion of the Child Tax Credit expires, the plan would increase federal revenue by 1.52 percent of GDP, tying for the fourth largest tax increase as a share of GDP since the 1940s.

Tax Bill Revenue Effect as a Percentage of GDP

1. Revenue Act of 1942 - 5.04%

2. Revenue Act of 1941 - 2.20%

3. Revenue and Expenditure Control Act of 1968- 1.74%

4. Biden’s Tax Plan in year 2022- 1.52%

4. Revenue Act of 1951 - 1.52%

5. Revenue Act of 1950 - 1.33%

6. Current Tax Payment Act of 1943 - 1.16%

7.  Excess Profits Tax of 1950 - 0.97%

8. Revenue Act of 1940 - 0.91%

9. Second Revenue Act of 1940 - 0.71%

10. Biden’s Tax Plan in year 2021 - 0.68%

11. Tax Adjustment Act of 1966 - 0.60%

12. Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 - 0.53%

13. Revenue Act of 1943 - 0.46%

Sources: Jerry Tempalski, “Revenue Effects of Major Tax Bills Updated Tables for all 2012 Bills,” Office of Tax Analysis, Department of the Treasury; Congressional Budget Office, “An Update to the Budget Outlook 2020 to 2030,” September 2020; Tax Foundation General Equilibrium Model, October 2020; and author calculations.

Ok...now do all the windfall tax breaks where we have to borrow on our future (yes, that's spending) because we are giving rich people more money and businesses huge tax breaks.  Like I said, the difference is where the money goes.  At some point we have to institute some consistency in all this.  If we're going to equate rolling back of tax cuts with raising taxes thus "spending other people's money" then we have to also consider it "spending other people's money" when we continue increasing the outflows while decreasing the inflows as "spending other people's money".  

The only question left at that point is would you rather the money go to those the GOP is sending it to, or those the Dems are sending it to?

 

[BladeRunner]

One of the reasons I am no longer a Republican is constant focus on lowering taxes......somebody’s gotta pay for this stuff and I have come to realize trickle down tax cuts don’t boost the economy much at all. See this chart showing how taxes paid over the years has lowered since the days of President Eisenhower for the wealthy

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxhYCQh4.gif%3Fnoredirect&h=AT3NhPZ0Efwn-VhTuNow2kYkjb9KEk6w4u783r-CwpaIOdaFUY2SY4KbGTeLMI0SdItdlGxCSrws3PCS3Ez4u_YWYrBecZqOc-p_EPWua9eL9NxOC3BHhrrEK-H-WGoZdEiW12PV4M6QFio&s=1

How long have you NOT been a republican?

Based upon my short time here I have not once seen you advocate or defend a conservative position - social or fiscal.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Meh.

Biden is trying to get us back to that 1950s era of prosperity.  All I hear from people on both sides of the aisle is how things were better back in the day.  If Biden gently nudges that tax rate back in that direction a little bit....fine by me.  

In the 50's people made a very good living on nothing more than a high school education. Only 8% of American held even a bachelor's degree. Good luck with that now. 

 

[Thunderlips]

Considering that both parties are adding to our national debt and deficit I am ok with a tax increase on those making $200,000 as well but clarification is necessary. I do not however consider this a lie. Here are some examples of flat out lies. While lying about such things like these are not about significant  policy they do address ones trustworthiness particularly if they are not corrected by the individual.

-In 2015 Donald Trump claimed he met Vladimir Putin while filming 60 minutes backstage. CBS quickly came out and stated they Trump interview took place at Trump Towers and the Putin interview took place in Moscow

-Donald Trump claimed he was one of the top students in college class at Wharton. So one would assume Magna, or Summa cum laude of some kind or at the very least making the Dean’s list but he is not listed on the graduation program of any of these accomplishments. To be fair Biden claimed back in 1987  that he graduated in the top half of his law school class which also was not true. in April of 1987 he said that claim was inaccurate.

-Trump claimed he was a very good baseball player and said he was over looked at a try out because all the scout’s focus was on Willie McCovey. There is no evidence that tryout took place, noting that McCovey was eight years Trump’s senior and already a five-year major-league vet by the time the president graduated high school.

Exactly.  Trump and Republicans had 4 years to lower the national debt.  The had no interest in doing so and skyrocketed it.  If there are those in the Republican Party serious about this; speak up in the primaries and bring a legitimate candidate to the general; where us Centrists can get a choice.  As it is in regards to Federal spending and defecit, there is no real difference between the R's and D's.

 

[lazyike]

How long have you NOT been a republican?

Based upon my short time here I have not once seen you advocate or defend a conservative position - social or fiscal.

Pro life, fiscal responsibility, respect for institutions like FBI, the Constitution, understanding the importance of the media separation from government, politicians who are honest and respectful of others including those of the opposition party

 

[The Commish]

Pro life, fiscal responsibility, respect for institutions like FBI, the Constitution, understanding the importance of the media separation from government, politicians who are honest and respectful of others including those of the opposition party

So like....a pretty long time?  I'm pretty much in the same boat only I'd add actual border issues to that list as well.  It's pretty clear our "border" is nothing but a political thing now.  I don't believe any of them genuinely care about it otherwise one of the parties would have "fixed" it by now yet we continue to under staff the border from an agent, lawyer, judge, case worker perspective and our facilities for processing are abysmal.  And our case backlog just continues to grow.  I realize that they just don't give a ####.....none of them.

 

[lazyike]

So like....a pretty long time?  I'm pretty much in the same boat only I'd add actual border issues to that list as well.  It's pretty clear our "border" is nothing but a political thing now.  I don't believe any of them genuinely care about it otherwise one of the parties would have "fixed" it by now yet we continue to under staff the border from an agent, lawyer, judge, case worker perspective and our facilities for processing are abysmal.  And our case backlog just continues to grow.  I realize that they just don't give a ####.....none of them.

Actually I voted for McCain, Romney and in 2016 McMullin..I think they pretty much met these standards I was talking about even though I disagree with some of their policies.

 

[The Commish]

Actually I voted for McCain, Romney and in 2016 McMullin..I think they pretty much met these standards I was talking about even though I disagree with some of their policies.

I probably should have voted McMullin in 2016, but went with Johnson to see if it could even be possible to get someone else on the debate stage.  Apparently, it isn't.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I probably should have voted McMullin in 2016, but went with Johnson to see if it could even be possible to get someone else on the debate stage.  Apparently, it isn't.

This is a major problem for our country.  

 

[supermike80]

In the 50's people made a very good living on nothing more than a high school education. Only 8% of American held even a bachelor's degree. Good luck with that now. 

Mike Rowe would disagree.  And I agree with him

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Mike Rowe would disagree.  And I agree with him

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't saying "good luck with that now" regarding making a living without a bachelor's degree. I own 2 businesses and don't have one. I'm talking about the affordability of the American Dream and adding stifling taxes to our present situation. Tax rates matching the 50's would have a terribly different result in the 2020's. I'm saying good luck today having the house with the white picket fence, two kids, 1-2 cars with one wage earner working a semi-skilled to low skilled job while the other stays home like you could pull off 70 years ago. Yeah, good luck with that.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't saying "good luck with that now" regarding making a living without a bachelor's degree. I own 2 businesses and don't have one. I'm talking about the affordability of the American Dream and adding stifling taxes to our present situation. Tax rates matching the 50's would have a terribly different result in the 2020's. I'm saying good luck today having the house with the white picket fence, two kids, 1-2 cars with one wage earner working a semi-skilled to low skilled job while the other stays home like you could pull off 70 years ago. Yeah, good luck with that.

I think the idea of the one wage-earner families died 25 years ago.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm with the OP and don't care about the policy. He was lying, just like with the stimulus check of 2000 dollars. It's vague language inviting you to believe the lesser of two evils, and then you're ####ed.

What he is doing is raising the taxes on his core constituency. Surburban wealthy people went hard for Biden in 2020, and he's risking losing that suburban white vote in 2024. Not good for Democrats. In fact, despite opinion polls, I'd say that electorally, this has been a bad presidency for Democrats that seek the office in 2024.

The 1400 was always an add-on.

 

[supermike80]

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't saying "good luck with that now" regarding making a living without a bachelor's degree. I own 2 businesses and don't have one. I'm talking about the affordability of the American Dream and adding stifling taxes to our present situation. Tax rates matching the 50's would have a terribly different result in the 2020's. I'm saying good luck today having the house with the white picket fence, two kids, 1-2 cars with one wage earner working a semi-skilled to low skilled job while the other stays home like you could pull off 70 years ago. Yeah, good luck with that.

 

[Mile High]

The 1400 was always an add-on.

Yeah don't get the deal about the 1400. The Democrats wanted 2000 the Republicans got their with 600. Biden said if elected he would give the rest of the 2000, which was 1400.

 

[Redwes25]

Anecdotally, it seems the more people earn, the more they complain about things like taxes. Maybe their great attention to detail helped them to become wealthy in the first place?

That’s not to say wealthy people deserve to pay more, but it’s hard to get too worked up about a few percentage point tax increase in marginal income over $400K.

My guess is because taxes is the wealthy's single largest expenditure.  If you are making $1mm a year in earned income you paid about 300k in taxes to the federal govt (not including state and local taxes.  I am not arguing weather this is good or bad in this post just the reason why high earners care a whole lot about taxes. 

 

[Terminalxylem]

My guess is because taxes is the wealthy's single largest expenditure.  If you are making $1mm a year in earned income you paid about 300k in taxes to the federal govt (not including state and local taxes.  I am not arguing weather this is good or bad in this post just the reason why high earners care a whole lot about taxes. 

Sure.  But there’s gottta be a point when one earns enough money, and pay for the vast majority of us is somewhat arbitrary. The million dollar earner would do better to be thankful for the $700k than lamenting the taxes IMO.

 

[Shula-holic]

Sure.  But there’s gottta be a point when one earns enough money, and pay for the vast majority of us is somewhat arbitrary. The million dollar earner would do better to be thankful for the $700k than lamenting the taxes IMO.

You don't get to that level of income by not keeping your eyes on a third of your income.  Most people who make that do so in business, it's just not natural in a businessman's mind to not look at the entirety.  If you weren't to care about that amount of money, you probably don't make it to start with, at least unless you are a famous person or athlete.

 

[Terminalxylem]

You don't get to that level of income by not keeping your eyes on a third of your income.  Most people who make that do so in business, it's just not natural in a businessman's mind to not look at the entirety.  If you weren't to care about that amount of money, you probably don't make it to start with, at least unless you are a famous person or athlete.

Understood. But behavior is largely volitional, and it’s not impossible to reframe one’s perspective. The entirety includes a whole bunch of arbitrary factors which determined one’s earning in the first place, plus the amount of money necessary to maintain happiness.

I’m not a businessperson, nor famous, but my wife and I have worked hard to earn a decent living. If our taxes increase a bit, we’ll still be grateful to afford all of life’s essentials + a little extra, rather than gripe about a several thousand+ dollar tax increase.

 

[tonydead]

My guess is because taxes is the wealthy's single largest expenditure.  If you are making $1mm a year in earned income you paid about 300k in taxes to the federal govt (not including state and local taxes.  I am not arguing weather this is good or bad in this post just the reason why high earners care a whole lot about taxes. 

Right. You don't get to a million dollar earner by blowing more than half your income.  It's likely equal to or greater than all combined expenditures.

Sure.  But there’s gottta be a point when one earns enough money, and pay for the vast majority of us is somewhat arbitrary. The million dollar earner would do better to be thankful for the $700k than lamenting the taxes IMO.

Um, no.  F that.

 

[Shula-holic]

Understood. But behavior is largely volitional, and it’s not impossible to reframe one’s perspective. The entirety includes a whole bunch of arbitrary factors which determined one’s earning in the first place, plus the amount of money necessary to maintain happiness.

I’m not a businessperson, nor famous, but my wife and I have worked hard to earn a decent living. If our taxes increase a bit, we’ll still be grateful to afford all of life’s essentials + a little extra, rather than gripe about a several thousand+ dollar tax increase.

I hear you, I'm just not wired that way.  I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I just don't have it in me to be any other way.  Even when I do good at say an investment property, the question is "Why didn't I see it was undervalued and buy both it and the comparable one?".  It's the same in business, doing great is always fun but you can always improve.  I lay in bed at night and think of even on good days, what could I have done to improve it.  I can actually appreciate those that can take a step back sometimes but a lot of the people I know in business are wired pretty similarly. 

 

[GoBirds]

I should have added- Manchin won’t agree either. 

Ah, good to see he’s a smart Democrat......thank you Manchin. 

 

[Terminalxylem]

Right. You don't get to a million dollar earner by blowing more than half your income.  It's likely equal to or greater than all combined expenditures.

Um, no.  F that.

To be clear, is there any point where you’d feel you’ve earned enough money? Or are you saying “F that” to the concept of appreciating what you make, rather than getting upset by what you pay?

As @Shula-holic stated, everyone is wired differently. Personally, I can’t imagine being so concerned with finances, and feel fortunate to make enough to live accordingly. That’s not a humblebrag about being rich, but an acknowledgement that money is only one component of my happiness.

 

[tonydead]

To be clear, is there any point where you’d feel you’ve earned enough money? Or are you saying “F that” to the concept of appreciating what you make, rather than getting upset by what you pay?

As @Shula-holic stated, everyone is wired differently. Personally, I can’t imagine being so concerned with finances, and feel fortunate to make enough to live accordingly. That’s not a humblebrag about being rich, but an acknowledgement that money is only one component of my happiness.

It's not one or the other.

To Sula's point, there are more people that concern themselves with finances that make enough to appreciate it than the other way around.  70% of the world's richest people are self made. 80% of millionaires are self made.  

I bet it's close to 0% of these guys said, eh I live comfortably, let's just give more to the government. Plus they are smart enough to know they can do more good philanthropisticly than any good the government does.  

You live comfortably, why dont you pay an extra 10% on your taxes this year just because you can. You wont. The you make enough so enjoy what you have and dont worry about your tax bracket is a false talking point.  

 

[Terminalxylem]

It's not one or the other.

To Sula's point, there are more people that concern themselves with finances that make enough to appreciate it than the other way around.  70% of the world's richest people are self made. 80% of millionaires are self made.  

I bet it's close to 0% of these guys said, eh I live comfortably, let's just give more to the government. Plus they are smart enough to know they can do more good philanthropisticly than any good the government does.  

You live comfortably, why dont you pay an extra 10% on your taxes this year just because you can. You wont. The you make enough so enjoy what you have and dont worry about your tax bracket is a false talking point.  

I’m not saying anyone should make a show of giving more to the government. I’m saying at some point, it’s fairly inconsequential and not worth getting upset about.

While I’m not going to arbitrarily pay more taxes, I won’t be b!tching if/when the tax bill goes up. That’s not a talking point any more than it was every other time I payed my taxes without complaining.

 

[tonydead]

I’m not saying anyone should make a show of giving more to the government. I’m saying at some point, it’s fairly inconsequential and not worth getting upset about.

While I’m not going to arbitrarily pay more taxes, I won’t be b!tching if/when the tax bill goes up. That’s not a talking point any more than it was every other time I payed my taxes without complaining.

Your logic mistake was trying to equate people being against tax increases to people who cant enjoy life.