Biden and Putin: the Summit (2 Viewers)

[Max Power]

Are we under the impression he wouldn’t know what critical infrastructure is and such a list is meaningless?

If you're not giving your adversaries your critical infrastructure list, are you even leading?

 

[sho nuff]

If you're not giving your adversaries your critical infrastructure list, are you even leading?

Im sure he didn’t know water supply was critical infrastructure.   

 

[Max Power]

Im sure he didn’t know water supply was critical infrastructure.   

Or we could just say any cyber attack on America is unacceptable...

 

[sho nuff]

Or we could just say any cyber attack on America is unacceptable...

Sure…the list being given is pretty meaningless though.  

 

[timschochet]

Or we could just say any cyber attack on America is unacceptable...

He did say that. 
But he also pinpointed the items that are absolutely going to force us to take retaliate. Was that a wise move? I’m not sure, but I’m leaning towards yes. 

 

[JerryG]

"I talked about the proposition that certain critical infrastructure should be off-limits to attack, period, by cyber or any other means," the president stated. "I gave them a list, and I don't have it in front of me, if I am not mistaken, of 16 entities — 16 defined as critical infrastructure, from the energy sector to our water systems."

I don't mind that he likely didn't come up with the list himself, and would even not mind him not being able to rattle all 16 items off.  But it would be nice if he were comfortable in how many there were in the list.  These being critical infrastructure items and all.  The above, on paper anyway, comes off as weak.  I admittedly haven't heard audio tho.

 

[Max Power]

He did say that. 
But he also pinpointed the items that are absolutely going to force us to take retaliate. Was that a wise move? I’m not sure, but I’m leaning towards yes. 

If we don't retaliate, aren't we saying it's acceptable. 

Putin also claimed the US is responsible for the majority of the cyber attacks around the world, so I'm not sure there was much resolution from this meeting.

 

[timschochet]

If we don't retaliate, aren't we saying it's acceptable. 

Putin also claimed the US is responsible for the majority of the cyber attacks around the world, so I'm not sure there was much resolution from this meeting.

Putin spewed a whole lot of bull####. 
Like I wrote earlier, it’s what he does that will matter, not what he says. And for that we’ll have to see. 

 

[The General]

CNN?  Come on…

Breitbart makes CNN like like the love child of Ed Murrow and Walter Cronkite 

 

[knowledge dropper]

Breitbart makes CNN like like the love child of Ed Murrow and Walter Cronkite 

Only if Cronkite and Murrow were blood relatives.  

 

[Desert_Power]

Bianna Golodryga @biannagolodryga

Putin on the narrative portrayed (esp by Russian state media like RT, and some in the US), questioning Biden’s mental health “has nothing to do with reality. He had no jet lag, was cheerful, we spoke eye to eye 2+ hrs. He’s completely of sound mind and should be taken seriously.”

 

[zoonation]

Destroys the narrative.  Cue the Trump party supporters spinning Putin’s comments.  

 

[Max Power]

Bianna Golodryga @biannagolodryga

Putin on the narrative portrayed (esp by Russian state media like RT, and some in the US), questioning Biden’s mental health “has nothing to do with reality. He had no jet lag, was cheerful, we spoke eye to eye 2+ hrs. He’s completely of sound mind and should be taken seriously.”

I don't think Putin takes Biden seriously

 

[BladeRunner]

Destroys the narrative.  Cue the Trump party supporters spinning Putin’s comments.  

Wait.. NOW you believe Putin?. Literally a few posts above yours Tim said Putin was spewing nothing but lies and bull####. 

JHC, you guys didn't believe him from 2016-2020 saying Trump was his puppet but NOW you believe him when he says something about YOUR guy?  Wat?

 

[Max Power]

Wait.. NOW you believe Putin. Literally a few posts above yours Tim said he was spewing nothing but lies and bull####. 

Putin was spewing bull####, but Biden wasn't correcting him or arguing back.

So of course Putin is going around telling everyone how sharp Biden is.

He's a used car salesman talking up his Lemon to a sucker. 

 

[sho nuff]

Putin was spewing bull####, but Biden wasn't correcting him or arguing back.

So of course Putin is going around telling everyone how sharp Biden is.

He's a used car salesman talking up his Lemon to a sucker. 

Did he write Biden a nice letter?

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Vladimir Putin has a higher favorability rating among Republicans than Joe Biden does. 

Putin has higher favorability than Joe Biden among Republicans

That's how far the partisan divide has grown in this country. Literally the Russian president is more popular among Republicans than the U.S. president is. The difference in Putin's favorability is even higher among admitted Trump voters.

Source: The Economist/YouGov Poll
June 13 - 15, 2021 - 1500 U.S. Adult Citizens. Tables 5 & 61A

 

[The General]

Vladimir Putin has a higher favorability rating among Republicans than Joe Biden does. 

Putin has higher favorability than Joe Biden among Republicans

That's how far the partisan divide has grown in this country. Literally the Russian president is more popular among Republicans than the U.S. president is. The difference in Putin's favorability is even higher among admitted Trump voters.

Source: The Economist/YouGov Poll
June 13 - 15, 2021 - 1500 U.S. Adult Citizens. Tables 5 & 61A

eeesh

 

[Amused to Death]

Vladimir Putin has a higher favorability rating among Republicans than Joe Biden does. 

Putin has higher favorability than Joe Biden among Republicans

That's how far the partisan divide has grown in this country. Literally the Russian president is more popular among Republicans than the U.S. president is. The difference in Putin's favorability is even higher among admitted Trump voters.

Source: The Economist/YouGov Poll
June 13 - 15, 2021 - 1500 U.S. Adult Citizens. Tables 5 & 61A

Worst scandal in Presidential history.

 

[The General]

I don't think Putin takes Biden seriously

Perhaps.

He also called Don "brilliant and talented" while messing with our elections, supporting hacking programs to mess with us, all the while had Trump praising him.

Guy is just a PITA authoritarian weasel who is genius at utilizing his leverage to keep power.

 

[zoonation]

Wait.. NOW you believe Putin?. Literally a few posts above yours Tim said Putin was spewing nothing but lies and bull####. 

JHC, you guys didn't believe him from 2016-2020 saying Trump was his puppet but NOW you believe him when he says something about YOUR guy?  Wat?

I take your point about not trusting anything Putin says.  Fair enough.  But if he is lying he just dog walked his entire state media apparatus who was spinning the same baseless narrative that Biden is senile.  Russian state media is absolutely running with the comments.   

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Vladimir Putin has a higher favorability rating among Republicans than Joe Biden does. 

Putin has higher favorability than Joe Biden among Republicans

That's how far the partisan divide has grown in this country. Literally the Russian president is more popular among Republicans than the U.S. president is. The difference in Putin's favorability is even higher among admitted Trump voters.

Source: The Economist/YouGov Poll
June 13 - 15, 2021 - 1500 U.S. Adult Citizens. Tables 5 & 61A

eeesh

Agreed. 

Having said that, my hypothesis is that the survey result might be different if the question was asked as a direct comparison between the two. "Who do you view more favorably, Joe Biden or Vladimir Putin" I think could yield a more accurate response. 

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Bianna Golodryga @biannagolodryga

Putin on the narrative portrayed (esp by Russian state media like RT, and some in the US), questioning Biden’s mental health “has nothing to do with reality. He had no jet lag, was cheerful, we spoke eye to eye 2+ hrs. He’s completely of sound mind and should be taken seriously.”

Destroys the narrative.  Cue the Trump party supporters spinning Putin’s comments.  

Oh CMON!

 

[knowledge dropper]

Bianna Golodryga @biannagolodryga

Putin on the narrative portrayed (esp by Russian state media like RT, and some in the US), questioning Biden’s mental health “has nothing to do with reality. He had no jet lag, was cheerful, we spoke eye to eye 2+ hrs. He’s completely of sound mind and should be taken seriously.”

Lou Holtz was also great at making an overmatched opponent seem credible.  

 

[Godsbrother]

Vladimir Putin has a higher favorability rating among Republicans than Joe Biden does. 

Putin has higher favorability than Joe Biden among Republicans

That's how far the partisan divide has grown in this country. Literally the Russian president is more popular among Republicans than the U.S. president is. The difference in Putin's favorability is even higher among admitted Trump voters.

Source: The Economist/YouGov Poll
June 13 - 15, 2021 - 1500 U.S. Adult Citizens. Tables 5 & 61A

Trump was took the side of Putin over US Intelligence and his supporters were just fine and dandy with that.

 

[Max Power]

Trump was took the side of Putin over US Intelligence and his supporters were just fine and dandy with that.

What's the incident you're referring to?

 

[Godsbrother]

What's the incident you're referring to?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812

 

[zoonation]

He did say that. 
But he also pinpointed the items that are absolutely going to force us to take retaliate. Was that a wise move? I’m not sure, but I’m leaning towards yes. 

It is a wise move.  Putin is now on notice that he awill be held accountable if his cyber goons attack critical American infrastructure and Russians will pay a heavy price.  

 

[Summer Wheat]

Bianna Golodryga @biannagolodryga

Putin on the narrative portrayed (esp by Russian state media like RT, and some in the US), questioning Biden’s mental health “has nothing to do with reality. He had no jet lag, was cheerful, we spoke eye to eye 2+ hrs. He’s completely of sound mind and should be taken seriously.”

Now I am very concerned.

 

[The Dude]

Nothing is as bad as trump siding with Putin on election interference - and valuing Russian intel over our own.

full stop

 

[Amused to Death]

Nothing is as bad as trump siding with Putin on election interference - and valuing Russian intel over our own.

full stop

Or destroying the notes from the meeting and forbidding anyone else to be in the room. Or not briefing his administration on the discussions.

 

[Phil Elliott]

"I talked about the proposition that certain critical infrastructure should be off-limits to attack, period, by cyber or any other means," the president stated. "I gave them a list, and I don't have it in front of me, if I am not mistaken, of 16 entities — 16 defined as critical infrastructure, from the energy sector to our water systems."

"Should be off-limits..." ??? Does Biden realize this isn't some college political science exercise? If they strike one of the 16 entities (assuming Biden can remember what was on the list), Biden puts Russia on double-secret-probation.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Nothing is as bad as trump siding with Putin on election interference - and valuing Russian intel over our own.

full stop

Or destroying the notes from the meeting and forbidding anyone else to be in the room. Or not briefing his administration on the discussions.

Nothing to be suspicious of. Every American president since the founding of the country has acted the same way in the presence of our biggest enemies. 

 

[Max Power]

And today we put lethal aid to Ukraine on hold....  hmmmm

I expect some outrage here.

 

[BladeRunner]

And today we put lethal aid to Ukraine on hold....  hmmmm

I expect some outrage here.

You'll get crickets.  They actually like Putin now - He said something nice about Joe Biden so he can be trusted now. 

 

[Max Power]

You'll get crickets.  They actually like Putin now - He said something nice about Joe Biden so he can be trusted now. 

Apparently. A couple years ago withholding aid to Ukraine was a risk to our national security. 

Now it's not a big deal because I guess Putin told Joe he wouldn't escalate anything there. 

Coming off a presser where Joe said Putin needs to prove himself with actions and not words.

I don't get it.

 

[timschochet]

And today we put lethal aid to Ukraine on hold....  hmmmm

I expect some outrage here.

Your info is not correct here: 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/06/18/white-house-ukraine-military-lethal-weapons-495169

it wasn’t all aid- it was 100 million in additional aid that we threatened to send in response to Russian aggressive maneuvers- apparently Putin relaxed the moves, so we withdrew the aid. The spin you’re putting on it is not correct. 

 

[Max Power]

Your info is not correct here: 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/06/18/white-house-ukraine-military-lethal-weapons-495169

it wasn’t all aid- it was 100 million in additional aid that we threatened to send in response to Russian aggressive maneuvers- apparently Putin relaxed the moves, so we withdrew the aid. The spin you’re putting on it is not correct. 

My info was absolutely correct. We put military aid on hold because of something Russia said they would do. 

This package was put together because it was needed in response to Russian activity on the border. 

So have we confirmed Russia pulled its troops back and are we taking Putin at his word now? 

 

[zoonation]

My info was absolutely correct. We put military aid on hold because of something Russia said they would do. 

This package was put together because it was needed in response to Russian activity on the border. 

So have we confirmed Russia pulled its troops back and are we taking Putin at his word now? 

Do you understand how diplomacy works?  You negotiate concessions. It is give and take.  If Russia doesn’t follow through I’m sure Biden will retaliate by sending the additional aid to Ukraine.  

The difference, of course, between this diplomacy and what Trump did (extortion) is that Trump withheld the aid, not based on representations made by Russia in diplomatic negotiations, but to pressure the President of Ukraine to dig up dirt on his political opponent.  

 

[Max Power]

Do you understand how diplomacy works?  You negotiate concessions. It is give and take.  If Russia doesn’t follow through I’m sure Biden will retaliate by sending the additional aid to Ukraine.  

The difference, of course, between this diplomacy and what Trump did (extortion) is that Trump withheld the aid, not based on representations made by Russia in diplomatic negotiations, but to pressure the President of Ukraine to dig up dirt on his political opponent.  

Biden already said he doesnt take Putin for his word alone.

This might all be for nothing as the Whitehouse is now saying the aid isnt on hold.

I guess Politico and the NYT got it wrong.... 

 

[Shula-holic]

Biden already said he doesnt take Putin for his word alone.

This might all be for nothing as the Whitehouse is now saying the aid isnt on hold.

I guess Politico and the NYT got it wrong.... 

I find all of this interesting.  We really don't know what's going on behind the scenes, especially in regards to the ME/Syria/ISIS situation.  My supposition is that while we publicly decry the Russians and Iranians, we probably have no better option than their propping up Bashar al Assad.