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I don't care what anyone says, Big Ben is a joke. Starting last year and all preseason he has been so indecisive, that it is almost unwatchable. Every time he drops back, he pats the ball 20 times before doing anything. Then he starts to run, stops, taps the ball 10 more times, then runs again.I don't know what happened to the guy, but he now needs to call a timeout before he can decide if he wants to run, or throw that ball. Say he's young and that is fine, that is one of the reasons he will suck this year. Add in that the line will probably play worse then last year, the RB's are banged up and they have no WR over 5'10", and I would not draft him as my 5th QB. I'm glad that even though I live in Pittsburgh, I'm not a huge Steeler fan, because it is going to be a long year.

 
I don't care what anyone says, Big Ben is a joke. Starting last year and all preseason he has been so indecisive, that it is almost unwatchable. Every time he drops back, he pats the ball 20 times before doing anything. Then he starts to run, stops, taps the ball 10 more times, then runs again.I don't know what happened to the guy, but he now needs to call a timeout before he can decide if he wants to run, or throw that ball. Say he's young and that is fine, that is one of the reasons he will suck this year. Add in that the line will probably play worse then last year, the RB's are banged up and they have no WR over 5'10", and I would not draft him as my 5th QB. I'm glad that even though I live in Pittsburgh, I'm not a huge Steeler fan, because it is going to be a long year.
I've been a big Roethlisberger supporter, but his play this preseason has been horrible. It's definitely a bad sign.
 
I don't care what anyone says, Big Ben is a joke. Starting last year and all preseason he has been so indecisive, that it is almost unwatchable. Every time he drops back, he pats the ball 20 times before doing anything. Then he starts to run, stops, taps the ball 10 more times, then runs again.I don't know what happened to the guy, but he now needs to call a timeout before he can decide if he wants to run, or throw that ball. Say he's young and that is fine, that is one of the reasons he will suck this year. Add in that the line will probably play worse then last year, the RB's are banged up and they have no WR over 5'10", and I would not draft him as my 5th QB. I'm glad that even though I live in Pittsburgh, I'm not a huge Steeler fan, because it is going to be a long year.
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I don't care what anyone says, Big Ben is a joke.  Starting last year and all preseason he has been so indecisive, that it is almost unwatchable.  Every time he drops back, he pats the ball 20 times before doing anything.  Then he starts to run, stops, taps the ball 10 more times, then runs again.I don't know what happened to the guy, but he now needs to call a timeout before he can decide if he wants to run, or throw that ball.  Say he's young and that is fine, that is one of the reasons he will suck this year.  Add in that the line will probably play worse then last year, the RB's are banged up and they have no WR over 5'10", and I would not draft him as my 5th QB.  I'm glad that even though I live in Pittsburgh, I'm not a huge Steeler fan, because it is going to be a long year.
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Sorry Cecil, I have no idea why you would suggest that. I am no expert, but I've watched a ton of football in my days, including my hometown Steelers, and the guy has looked awful all preseason, and did not look good late last year. The team as a hole this preseason has been just as bad. I'm just stating a fact, that I'm sure many people who have been watching Ben would agree with. As I type, C. Batch is marching the team down the field, against the same 2nd string CAR defense that made Ben look like he was lost.
 
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Ben is lacking confidence right now. He definitely hasn't looked good. But I really think that a good drive or two will take care of the confidence issue. They need to commit to the run the way they did last year and take control of the line of scrimmage. I still think Ben will be OK. But I think if they lose a game or two he may be on a short leash.

 
The loss of Burress is going to hurt him, at least in the short term. Burress was Roethlisberger's go-to guy and the guy he went to when things broke down. Seems to me that he's not taking the shots down the field this year like he did last. He was great at making something out of nothing. It's going to take him a little time to gain confidence and comfort without Plaxico out there for him.However, to say the line probably isn't as good this year is ignorant. They have the same LT, LG, and C as last year, and got Kendall Simmons back to play RG. The line is the least of his concerns, because it's still going to be one of the best in the NFL.He hasn't looked good this preseason at all. I'm hoping he gets more comfortable out there sooner rather than later.

 
The loss of Burress is going to hurt him, at least in the short term. Burress was Roethlisberger's go-to guy and the guy he went to when things broke down. Seems to me that he's not taking the shots down the field this year like he did last. He was great at making something out of nothing. It's going to take him a little time to gain confidence and comfort without Plaxico out there for him.

However, to say the line probably isn't as good this year is ignorant. They have the same LT, LG, and C as last year, and got Kendall Simmons back to play RG. The line is the least of his concerns, because it's still going to be one of the best in the NFL.

He hasn't looked good this preseason at all. I'm hoping he gets more comfortable out there sooner rather than later.
The reason I said that about the line, is because last year if I'm correct, all 5 guys played all 16 games together (or very close to it). And Ross, and what's his name who was the RG, had career years. I know Simmons is an upgrade at RG, but Starks is an unknown at RT. And like I said, going all season w/o an injury to your o-line is rare, and if one of their top 5 go down now, they may have to rely on a rookie.
 
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not coming from me. One preseason game is meaningless but taken as a whole, 5 in a row mean something. Ben's looked really bad and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned. :unsure:
 
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not coming from me. One preseason game is meaningless but taken as a whole, 5 in a row mean something. Ben's looked really bad and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned. :unsure:
:goodposting: - one of my good friends he is a huge Steelers fan - he lives, breathes, sleeps the Steelers. He is really concerned about Big Ben's play and what effects it will have on the team.
 
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not coming from me. One preseason game is meaningless but taken as a whole, 5 in a row mean something. Ben's looked really bad and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned. :unsure:
Ben is a very very ordinary QB , cant understand how he was named offensive rookie of the year.Yep he won games but not with his arm , like someone said Trent Dilfer could have done the same.

 
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not coming from me. One preseason game is meaningless but taken as a whole, 5 in a row mean something. Ben's looked really bad and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned. :unsure:
"concerned" is the perfect way to put it. Not time to panic yet. Let's see how things work out next week after a week of keeping the WRs in their actual position (as opposed to moving ARE and Wilson from split end to flanker and vice versa as has been being done thus far) and actual game planning are put in place. This preseason certainly raises concern and question marks about the Steelers offense and will give us something to talk about this week, but I will wait until at least after next week to call Big Ben a joke :no:
 
Not a Steelers fan here but I have to think after the lights go on that running game is going to get going and open things up for the passing game, even thought they'll continue to run and that D is going to swallow teams up and the Steelers will do what they've always done. Win most of their games.

 
Just want to point out the defenses the Steelers played in the preseason.Game 1: Philly. Starting O got 10 plays due to def/special teams dominance.Game 2: Miami...in torrential downpour conditions.Game 3: Washington. Bettis hurt. 1 play by ParkerGame 4: Carolina. 4th string RB plays with the 1st string.Granted, Big Ben and the rest of the O hasn't looked great, but they've played some tough defenses, had little opportunity, and have been playing most of the time with 3rd or 4th string RBs in with the starters.By no means am I confident, but I am also not mailing it in quite yet.

 
yes, the steelers have faced good defenses in the preseason. but i still wouldn't want to start any steeler on my fantasy team except for the team defense.

 
Just want to point out the defenses the Steelers played in the preseason.

Game 1: Philly.  Starting O got 10 plays due to def/special teams dominance.

Game 2: Miami...in torrential downpour conditions.

Game 3: Washington.  Bettis hurt.  1 play by Parker

Game 4: Carolina.  4th string RB plays with the 1st string.

Granted, Big Ben and the rest of the O hasn't looked great, but they've played some tough defenses, had little opportunity, and have been playing most of the time with 3rd or 4th string RBs in with the starters.

By no means am I confident, but I am also not mailing it in quite yet.
I agree that they have played some tough defenses and it is just pre-season, but maybe I should of stressed my point better. Which is, Ben looks very bad. The team as a whole has been bad too, but just his overall performance, decision making and just they way he looks in the pocket, is scary. The best way I could describe it is that he looks totally lost. And remember, while the Steelers may be still getting things ironed out, the defenses they are playing are also treating these games as preseason, and are not game planning as they would in the regular season. I know most say that defenses are ahead of offenses early in the year, but these are vanilla defensive schemes he is facing, and he just can't pull the trigger when he drops back. Like I said, he just looks lost.
 
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Any QB can succeed with a great running game and great defense. Trent Dilfer got himself a Superbowl ring that way.
Trent Dilfer was never as effective as Roethlisberger was last year.Roethlisberger has great raw talent, and it got him very far last year. Now he needs to become consistent.

 
I don't care what anyone says, Big Ben is a joke. Starting last year and all preseason he has been so indecisive, that it is almost unwatchable. Every time he drops back, he pats the ball 20 times before doing anything. Then he starts to run, stops, taps the ball 10 more times, then runs again.I don't know what happened to the guy, but he now needs to call a timeout before he can decide if he wants to run, or throw that ball. Say he's young and that is fine, that is one of the reasons he will suck this year. Add in that the line will probably play worse then last year, the RB's are banged up and they have no WR over 5'10", and I would not draft him as my 5th QB. I'm glad that even though I live in Pittsburgh, I'm not a huge Steeler fan, because it is going to be a long year.
I'm glad that someone called you on your baiting. Your ignorance of football should really prevent anyone from taking you seriously. You do know that Hines Ward is 6', Lee Mays is 6'2" and Fred Gibson (who most likely won't make the cut) is 6'4". Of course you're also uninformed enough to correlate height with success for receivers. Care to take a guess as to the height of Harrison, Wayne and Stokely? 6', 6', 5'11". Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce? 6', 6'. CJ and Houshmanzadeh? 6'1" and 6'1". If you want to cream your pants over every 6'4" workout wonder, be my guest, but remember Billy McMullen is 6'4". As for your comment on line play, this is another area in which you may wish to obtain a clue. Jags and Bengals are the only teams returning all of their starters from last year. Care to take a guess as to how many ROOKIES the greatest show on Turf are starting? 2 on the OL.

I'll agree that Roethlisberger has looked pretty god awful during the preseason, but hey, it's the preseason, I don't think I'd call him a joke yet. No game planning, no chance to get in rhythm, small sample size. Do you even know what the preseason is for? Coaches typically use it to a) get starting players back to game speed b) evaluate which marginal players to cut to field the starting roster. Of those two functions can you guess which one is more important. I'll give you a hint, it involves shaping the roster. Pre-season isn't for the players (and certainly not the fans) it's for the coaches.

 
I think this started in the playoffs last season. Ben looked lost and was lucky to get a win against the Jets. Either the playoffs exposed him or he buckled under the pressure and is still trying to regain his confidence. Either way, I don't see a lot of success in Pittsburgh this season.

 
I'm down on Ward as well... if Ben is playing hesitant, he's not going to get too many balls to a constantly double teamed Ward.

 
I don't care what anyone says, Big Ben is a joke.  Starting last year and all preseason he has been so indecisive, that it is almost unwatchable.  Every time he drops back, he pats the ball 20 times before doing anything.  Then he starts to run, stops, taps the ball 10 more times, then runs again.I don't know what happened to the guy, but he now needs to call a timeout before he can decide if he wants to run, or throw that ball.  Say he's young and that is fine, that is one of the reasons he will suck this year.  Add in that the line will probably play worse then last year, the RB's are banged up and they have no WR over 5'10", and I would not draft him as my 5th QB.  I'm glad that even though I live in Pittsburgh, I'm not a huge Steeler fan, because it is going to be a long year.
I'm glad that someone called you on your baiting. Your ignorance of football should really prevent anyone from taking you seriously. You do know that Hines Ward is 6', Lee Mays is 6'2" and Fred Gibson (who most likely won't make the cut) is 6'4". Of course you're also uninformed enough to correlate height with success for receivers. Care to take a guess as to the height of Harrison, Wayne and Stokely? 6', 6', 5'11". Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce? 6', 6'. CJ and Houshmanzadeh? 6'1" and 6'1". If you want to cream your pants over every 6'4" workout wonder, be my guest, but remember Billy McMullen is 6'4". As for your comment on line play, this is another area in which you may wish to obtain a clue. Jags and Bengals are the only teams returning all of their starters from last year. Care to take a guess as to how many ROOKIES the greatest show on Turf are starting? 2 on the OL.

I'll agree that Roethlisberger has looked pretty god awful during the preseason, but hey, it's the preseason, I don't think I'd call him a joke yet. No game planning, no chance to get in rhythm, small sample size. Do you even know what the preseason is for? Coaches typically use it to a) get starting players back to game speed b) evaluate which marginal players to cut to field the starting roster. Of those two functions can you guess which one is more important. I'll give you a hint, it involves shaping the roster. Pre-season isn't for the players (and certainly not the fans) it's for the coaches.
Your are a wize man.Even though the height thing was kind of an exageration, I'm glad you took that to prove a point. So, Lee Mays and Fred Gibson are both tall. Who cares, they both are terrible. I'm not saying if your a tall WR you are good. If Lee Mays was on any other team, as long as he has been with the Steelers, he'd be cut. He has never done anything, and never will. It's time for him to move on. And Gibson, you even state he probably won't make the team. So when he's gone that leaves Hines at 6' (as you say), who is their only good WR. By the way, I saw Hines at a Dave 'n' Busters, and I'm only 5'11", and I was not looking up.

You mention, Harrison, Wayne, Stokely, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, CJ and Houshmanzadeh. All that I see you personally measured being you listed their exact height. Why would you bring these guys up? To compare any of these WR's to the likes of Randle-El and C. Wilson is an insult, and shows your are no pro scout. If they had a WR on the roster, outside of Ward, who could hold one of these guys jocks, maybe things would be different. I did not say all WR's under 6'2" sucked, so why you had to post that CJ was 6'1", is beyond me.

Again you wing and miss. I did not bring up any other o-line, or how many lineman were returning for any other team. What does it matter who CIN or JAC has coming back. I am not saying just because a team has a turnover on the o-line they will suck, I'm saying the o-line may take a step back, because Starks is a total unknown, and it is rare that all of your lineman make it through the entire season, wihtout an injury. That was my point. Again if you do not get it, I said it was rare for an entire o-line to go through an entire season w/o any injuries. Meaning that may not happen again this year, and if that is the case, they may have to rely on a rookie. That in my opinion could lead to the line under performing compared to last year.

Why is STL starting two rookies a point for you. Do you know these guys? Can you already tell me how they will perform this season? Are you saying that because 2 rookies are starting on the o-line for STL, that that makes it OK for all teams to do so? Does the structure of the STL o-line set the standards for the entire league? So STL is starting 2 rookies on their o-line this year. That must mean if a starter for the Steelers goes down and a rookie has to fill in, they will be fine. Yes I see your point, that makes total sense. If their doing it in STL, it must work. The Steeler o-line will be fine. Funny, and I need to get a clue.

No I didn't know what the preseason was for, so thank you. No matter what it is for, the guy has looked BAD. Just like he did at the end of last year. I know, they didn't game plan for those games against NYJ and NE either. Oh wait, those defenses were good. Whatever. Remember, the defenses he is facing now are not game planning for him either.

If you can honestly say you have watched each preseason game this year, and some of the late games last year, and don't think he looks VERY indecisive and lost out there, then you are blind. If he was making quick decisions, and getting rid of the ball, even if some of those decisions were wrong, I'd chalk that up to being a young QB. But the problem is he just does not react quick enough, and you can see him thinking way to much. All the tapping, pumping and hesitating makes that very clear.

Lasty if Cowher was "shaping" his roster, Alonzo Jackson would have been sent home already.

Good day.

 
Big Ben did not win games last year, Bettis did not win games last year, Ward and Burress did not win games last year, the defense did not win games last year. So what was it that won games last year??? The pittsburgh unit in general won games last year. Big Ben was an average to little above average last season but everyone fell in love with him and put him on a pedistool because of Pittsburgh's record. The thing he was so good at was not losing games for the team. Big Ben could easily fade into the ranks of below average if Pittsburgh has a bad season. This would not be fair as he is better then below average but IMO should have been considered as an average QB last season that had a little bit better then average year. He could prove me wrong but by the time it is all said and done and his career is over we may be talking about that average QB named Ben who had descent seasons with a good to great rookie year.

 
Many average QBs complete 66.4% of their passes, average 8.89 YPA, and have a passer rating of 98.1. You can point to a lack of attempts, and such a good running game, but those are GREAT numbers for a QB. I don't expect his numbers to be close to that, but to say he's an average QB doesn't do him justice.Is it really shocking that he's done poorly without first string RBs and without Ward for some of the time? Maybe the offense will struggle a bit, but it's also likely that they'll be better than they've shown this preseason.

 
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IIRC Cowher was worried going into this season that Ben's (really PIT) success his rookie year, may lead to his head getting way too big going into this season.

 
no story here
I agree. Looks like someone trying to make a story out of nothing.
Maybe. It doesn't seem like Roethlisberger...but, where there's smoke...........
... there's a hungry reporter with a pack of matches.
Like I said, it doesn't sound like Ben. Who's the source? I like this kid, not as a fantasy player, but as a player.
Hard to say what to make of his personality. When he began to struggle late in the season, we heard excuses and they kept changing. First it was a sore thumb. Then it was that he wore a glove on his throwing hand and so he started playing bare handed. Then it was broken toes which Cowher denies. But in this article here we get a different perspective:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs04/n...tory?id=1975678

Offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt said opponents began defending the Steelers' passing game differently as the season progressed, dropping more defenders into coverage on third down to make it harder for Roethlisberger to find receivers.

I have a recording of his AFC title game loss. His first interception was on 3rd down and right along those lines. The Steelers went trips bunch. The Patriots dropped all their LBs into a zone and blanketed the formation. The only guy open was the RB Vernon Hayes coming out of the backfield, who rarely ever catches the ball. Ben tried to force it over the hands of the LBs and it got picked off. He never even looked at the open RB.

I just think its likely the NFL just found a weakness of his and starting exploiting it. Its up to him to adjust. Dunno if he will.
Just copying over a post of mine from another thread for those who missed it. Not sure if ben has developed new issues above and beyond what is mentioned here, but this is something I feel should be noted. The point is that Ben's struggles really began in the last 5 games of last year -- The last 3 games of the regular season and then both playoff games.
 
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Um, there's a bunch of squeeling up there about the Rams starting two rooks on the 0-line, and while it has nothing to do with Big Ben, I wanted to correct that. The Rams are starting five veterans and they're very happy with them.Pace, Nutten, McCollum, Timmerman and Tucker. That's about 40 yrs of experience on the starting 0-line, with the youngster being in his sixth year. I think Ben will be fine.Carry on.

 
This is not news. Any QB who starts 15 NFL games and averages 190 yards passing with roughly a TD and Int per week is not good.

 
yes, the steelers have faced good defenses in the preseason. but i still wouldn't want to start any steeler on my fantasy team except for the team defense.
Not even "Fast Willie"? :excited:
 
The "preseason is meanginless" post in 3...2...1... :X :X
not coming from me. One preseason game is meaningless but taken as a whole, 5 in a row mean something. Ben's looked really bad and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned. :unsure:
Ben is a very very ordinary QB , cant understand how he was named offensive rookie of the year.Yep he won games but not with his arm , like someone said Trent Dilfer could have done the same.
OK, he's not playing well, but let's not diminish what he did last year. He had the 5th best passer rating in the entire NFL and, I believe, the 2nd highest yards per attempt. It's not like he just hung around and the rest of the team carried him. He played well last year.
 
Yes, Ben has sucked in the preseason. Definitely showing lots on indecisiveness. It could be that he is thinking too much instead of just going out and playing, I am not sure. Whatever it is he definitely has not looked good. In my opinion the first team offense has not played enough this preseason. The first game they played only one drive, the 2nd game one quarter, 2 quarters in the 3rd game and a little over a quarter in the 4th game. That is fine if you are doing well but when you are clearly struggling I think a little more time out on the field is warranted.The comments about the o-line are ridiculous because this line should be better than last year. They have 3 Pro-bowlers returning along with Simmons who was the starter before he got hurt last season. The only question mark on the o-line is Max Starks who has had a great pre-season. The o-line should be among the best in the NFL.As bad as Ben has looked I think all of the dire predictions about the Steelers are a bit premature. THIS IS PRESEASON -- IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!

 
Ben is a very very ordinary QB , cant understand how he was named offensive rookie of the year.

Yep he won games but not with his arm , like someone said Trent Dilfer could have done the same.
Big Ben sucks.
Just wondering how you think Roethlisberger compares to guys like Alex Smith, E. Manning, Rivers, Palmer, Leftwich, Carr, Harrington and Vick. Those are the other QBs drafted in the top half of the first round in the past five years.Roethlisberger's potential as an NFL QB is extremely high.

 
This is not news. Any QB who starts 15 NFL games and averages 190 yards passing with roughly a TD and Int per week is not good.
That's about as misleading as to say any QB that starts 12+ NFL games and has less than 100 incompletions on the season is unbelievably accurate. As you can probably guess, Roethlisberger was the only guy to do that.
 
Not a Steelers fan here but I have to think after the lights go on that running game is going to get going and open things up for the passing game, even thought they'll continue to run and that D is going to swallow teams up and the Steelers will do what they've always done. Win most of their games.
:goodposting: I am no Steel fan, but the running game and defense is steel football. I'm curious to see how Willie and the run game do come game 1.

 
I was at the Pitt-Panthers game last night. The Pitt offense seemed to be very out of synch and looked like they could use another preseason game or two. Although, the Panthers D is very good. Hopefully, when Ben and the Steelers take on the Titans in week 1, facing this D may help them as I don't think the Titans have the same caliber of D.I think the coaching staff may pull back the reins on Ben until he is more comfortable. So much for opening up the O at least at the beginning of the season. Big Ben will be fine. The coaching staff will make sure of it. I'd take him over our last 20 years of QBs.....

 
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I'm glad that someone called you on your baiting.  Your ignorance of football should really prevent anyone from taking you seriously.  You do know that Hines Ward is 6', Lee Mays is 6'2" and Fred Gibson (who most likely won't make the cut) is 6'4". 

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:hijacked: I havn't followed Fred Gibson progess so far but is he really so bad that he needs to be cut? How many WRs will make the team?

 
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