Big Ten Basketball 2022/2023 - Return to Power (2 Viewers)

[strykerpks]

OSU shooting bricks early and Wisconsin on pace for over 80. I don't expect it all game but it could get ugly if this continues.

 

[cj*]

Over already. Cannot buy a basket.

 

[Eviloutsider]

This will still be a game.

 

[strykerpks]

This will still be a game.

Yeah, there's a patented 7 minute scoreless stretch coming.

 

[wadegarrett]

Ohio State's overrated. They have no inside game and can't shoot. That's a problem. Will finish 5th or 6th in the conference at best.

 

[Ilov80s]

Upset brewing in Iowa. With Hollins in foul trouble and Rodney Williams hurt, I'm not sure how the Gophers get back into this.

 

[The Commish]

I am continually baffled as to why Michigan struggles against OSU....I don't get it.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Wisconsin played very well and has now beaten all the elite teams in the Big10 minus Michigan State. I am hoping for a 4 seed but that might be optimistic. They do have a relatively easy schedule (besides Michigan St) the rest of the way.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Ohio State's overrated. They have no inside game and can't shoot. That's a problem. Will finish 5th or 6th in the conference at best.

Wisconsin played very well and has now beaten all the elite teams in the Big10 minus Michigan State. I am hoping for a 4 seed but that might be optimistic. They do have a relatively easy schedule (besides Michigan St) the rest of the way.

Bucky looked really good today. They got better looks at the basket today, than I've seen them get all year. The threes they did miss, were outstanding looks. Great game by Jackson, and really nice to see Evans with positive contributions. Kaminsky even played well (thought both of his threes were down), especially on the defensive end where he typically looks awful. IF the Badgers can find a way to drive and kick the ball out as well as they did today, they will be a tough out in the tournament. I love that they have 4 of their last 5 against the bottom of the league. I think they likely need to beat Michigan State, or win 2+ in the Big l0 tourney to get a 4 seed, but I like their chances for a 5.Edited to add, everything that Brust throws up, looks like it's going to go in right now

 

[Bobcat10]

I am continually baffled as to why Michigan struggles against OSU....I don't get it.

In what sport?

 

[Bobcat10]

Ohio State's overrated. They have no inside game and can't shoot. That's a problem. Will finish 5th or 6th in the conference at best.

Finishing 5th in the conference would be fine this year. But ya...this team is terribly flawed, especially for March. They will need some help from the committee to sniff the sweet 16.

 

[sho nuff]

Wisconsin played very well and has now beaten all the elite teams in the Big10 minus Michigan State. I am hoping for a 4 seed but that might be optimistic. They do have a relatively easy schedule (besides Michigan St) the rest of the way.

Yeah...they have beaten those teams...but are just as likely to get beaten by a team that is not great.Happens too often with them.Can beat anyone...and as someone else in here said, can get beat by almost anyone as well.Frustrating.Could see a nice run just because they play such good defense and Bo typically has them ready come tournament time.Just never get my hopes up too much.Hope to hit a sweet 16 and anything past that is always gravy.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Finishing 5th in the conference would be fine this year. But ya...this team is terribly flawed, especially for March. They will need some help from the committee to sniff the sweet 16.

They really were unlucky early today, and never got back on track. I see them having major foul problems if they get tight officiating, as they tend to play darn aggressive.

Wisconsin played very well and has now beaten all the elite teams in the Big10 minus Michigan State. I am hoping for a 4 seed but that might be optimistic. They do have a relatively easy schedule (besides Michigan St) the rest of the way.

Yeah...they have beaten those teams...but are just as likely to get beaten by a team that is not great.Happens too often with them.Can beat anyone...and as someone else in here said, can get beat by almost anyone as well.Frustrating.Could see a nice run just because they play such good defense and Bo typically has them ready come tournament time.Just never get my hopes up too much.Hope to hit a sweet 16 and anything past that is always gravy.

My fear is that their foul shooting woes are going to bite them hard in a tight game in the tourney. Hopefully we are down to just Evans looking like a deer in headlights from the line. If so, we'll hopefully see Dekker get his minutes in crunch time. As it is now, I have no clue why people don't just foul Evans the second he gets the ball.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Wisconsin played very well and has now beaten all the elite teams in the Big10 minus Michigan State. I am hoping for a 4 seed but that might be optimistic. They do have a relatively easy schedule (besides Michigan St) the rest of the way.

Yeah...they have beaten those teams...but are just as likely to get beaten by a team that is not great.Happens too often with them.Can beat anyone...and as someone else in here said, can get beat by almost anyone as well.Frustrating.Could see a nice run just because they play such good defense and Bo typically has them ready come tournament time.Just never get my hopes up too much.Hope to hit a sweet 16 and anything past that is always gravy.

I understand that but that shouldn't be too much of a factor when seeding (future losses, not past losses).

 

[pigskinliquors]

Wisconsin played very well and has now beaten all the elite teams in the Big10 minus Michigan State. I am hoping for a 4 seed but that might be optimistic. They do have a relatively easy schedule (besides Michigan St) the rest of the way.

Yeah...they have beaten those teams...but are just as likely to get beaten by a team that is not great.Happens too often with them.Can beat anyone...and as someone else in here said, can get beat by almost anyone as well.Frustrating.Could see a nice run just because they play such good defense and Bo typically has them ready come tournament time.Just never get my hopes up too much.Hope to hit a sweet 16 and anything past that is always gravy.

I understand that but that shouldn't be too much of a factor when seeding (future losses, not past losses).

I'd be a lot more optimistic about a 4 if their RPI was higher. Most computers like them and the Big 10. RPI does not rank the Big 10 anywhere near as favorably as other computer rankings.

 

[strykerpks]

Wisconsin played very well and has now beaten all the elite teams in the Big10 minus Michigan State. I am hoping for a 4 seed but that might be optimistic. They do have a relatively easy schedule (besides Michigan St) the rest of the way.

Yeah...they have beaten those teams...but are just as likely to get beaten by a team that is not great.Happens too often with them.Can beat anyone...and as someone else in here said, can get beat by almost anyone as well.Frustrating.Could see a nice run just because they play such good defense and Bo typically has them ready come tournament time.Just never get my hopes up too much.Hope to hit a sweet 16 and anything past that is always gravy.

I understand that but that shouldn't be too much of a factor when seeding (future losses, not past losses).

I'd be a lot more optimistic about a 4 if their RPI was higher. Most computers like them and the Big 10. RPI does not rank the Big 10 anywhere near as favorably as other computer rankings.

Kenpom has them at 13th overall right now and 4th in their pythagorean SOS

 

[pigskinliquors]

Wisconsin played very well and has now beaten all the elite teams in the Big10 minus Michigan State. I am hoping for a 4 seed but that might be optimistic. They do have a relatively easy schedule (besides Michigan St) the rest of the way.

Yeah...they have beaten those teams...but are just as likely to get beaten by a team that is not great.Happens too often with them.Can beat anyone...and as someone else in here said, can get beat by almost anyone as well.Frustrating.Could see a nice run just because they play such good defense and Bo typically has them ready come tournament time.Just never get my hopes up too much.Hope to hit a sweet 16 and anything past that is always gravy.

I understand that but that shouldn't be too much of a factor when seeding (future losses, not past losses).

I'd be a lot more optimistic about a 4 if their RPI was higher. Most computers like them and the Big 10. RPI does not rank the Big 10 anywhere near as favorably as other computer rankings.

Kenpom has them at 13th overall right now and 4th in their pythagorean SOS

Sagarin also has them 13th, but with the 2nd best SOS. Current RPI has them at 29th. IMHO Kenpom is the best/most accurate rating system. But it only matters what the committee used as a baseline, and as far as I know, they still use RPI as a starting point.

 

[strykerpks]

Wisconsin played very well and has now beaten all the elite teams in the Big10 minus Michigan State. I am hoping for a 4 seed but that might be optimistic. They do have a relatively easy schedule (besides Michigan St) the rest of the way.

Yeah...they have beaten those teams...but are just as likely to get beaten by a team that is not great.Happens too often with them.Can beat anyone...and as someone else in here said, can get beat by almost anyone as well.Frustrating.Could see a nice run just because they play such good defense and Bo typically has them ready come tournament time.Just never get my hopes up too much.Hope to hit a sweet 16 and anything past that is always gravy.

I understand that but that shouldn't be too much of a factor when seeding (future losses, not past losses).

I'd be a lot more optimistic about a 4 if their RPI was higher. Most computers like them and the Big 10. RPI does not rank the Big 10 anywhere near as favorably as other computer rankings.

Kenpom has them at 13th overall right now and 4th in their pythagorean SOS

Sagarin also has them 13th, but with the 2nd best SOS. Current RPI has them at 29th. IMHO Kenpom is the best/most accurate rating system. But it only matters what the committee used as a baseline, and as far as I know, they still use RPI as a starting point.

Yeah I misread your comment about the computers liking them Ultimately the RPI is what the committee uses and their remaining schedule, save for MSU, isn't anything to write home about. A 5 seed is plenty fair for a team with the good wins they do have as well as the bad losses.

 

[The Commish]

I am continually baffled as to why Michigan struggles against OSU....I don't get it.

In what sport?

Isn't this the basketball thread??

 

[Keerock]

Again, and still, this conference is amazing. Practically any team can win on any day. It doesn't make for awesome records, but the top 5-6 teams will be very ready to make a run in March. Most every conference game is fun to watch and competitive. Next up... the battle for 1st place. IU @ MSU. No way I put money on this game either way.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Again, and still, this conference is amazing. Practically any team can win on any day. It doesn't make for awesome records, but the top 5-6 teams will be very ready to make a run in March. Most every conference game is fun to watch and competitive. Next up... the battle for 1st place. IU @ MSU. No way I put money on this game either way.

Should be a great game. I give the upper hand to MSU, but cannot wait to see how it unfolds!

 

[pigskinliquors]

Ultimately the RPI is what the committee uses and their remaining schedule, save for MSU, isn't anything to write home about. A 5 seed is plenty fair for a team with the good wins they do have as well as the bad losses.

I just looked at Sagarin, and WI doesn't actually have a bad loss. Their 3 worst losses are Creighton, Iowa and Virginia, and all three are ranked in Sagarin's top 33. Their other 5 losses are (Sagarin rankings in ()FL (#2)

@Marguette (#17)

Mich ST (#7)

@OSU (#13)

@MN (#16)

Their wins include: @IU (#1), UM (#4), MN (#16) and OSU (#13)

 

[sho nuff]

Ultimately the RPI is what the committee uses and their remaining schedule, save for MSU, isn't anything to write home about. A 5 seed is plenty fair for a team with the good wins they do have as well as the bad losses.

I just looked at Sagarin, and WI doesn't actually have a bad loss. Their 3 worst losses are Creighton, Iowa and Virginia, and all three are ranked in Sagarin's top 33. Their other 5 losses are (Sagarin rankings in ()FL (#2)

@Marguette (#17)

Mich ST (#7)

@OSU (#13)

@MN (#16)

Their wins include: @IU (#1), UM (#4), MN (#16) and OSU (#13)

Interesting...would not have necessarily ranked those 3 loses as high as Sagarin did.

 

[jon_mx]

Minnesota just needs to win the games it is suppose to and they are in. Iowa is the only real question mark. The top 6 teams are mostly play for top seedings right now. If things play out well, they could all get top 4 seeds. OSU and Wisconsin will be at least a 6th seed baring a collapse.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Minnesota just needs to win the games it is suppose to and they are in. Iowa is the only real question mark. The top 6 teams are mostly play for top seedings right now. If things play out well, they could all get top 4 seeds. OSU and Wisconsin will be at least a 6th seed baring a collapse.

Fully agree. I think MN has the most to gain/lose seeding-wise. Their Non-conference wins are outstanding, but their conference record is suspect. They could end up anywhere between a 10 and a 4 right now IMHO.edited to add: MSU also has a lot to gain/lose. They could potentially lose their next four games (IN, @OSU, @MI, WI). Yet, IF they win 3+ of them they could be looking at a #1 seed.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Minnesota just needs to win the games it is suppose to and they are in. Iowa is the only real question mark. The top 6 teams are mostly play for top seedings right now. If things play out well, they could all get top 4 seeds. OSU and Wisconsin will be at least a 6th seed baring a collapse.

Fully agree. I think MN has the most to gain/lose seeding-wise. Their Non-conference wins are outstanding, but their conference record is suspect. They could end up anywhere between a 10 and a 4 right now IMHO.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Going to be an epic battle Tuesday night. Sounds like Oladipo, although not 100%, is good to go. Probably matchup with Harris. Hopefully our bigs can take it to Zeller inside a good deal of the time, get him in foul trouble early. I see that as being a big key to State being succesful. Can't wait. going to be nuts at the Bres once again.

 

[Frostillicus]

Ultimately the RPI is what the committee uses and their remaining schedule, save for MSU, isn't anything to write home about. A 5 seed is plenty fair for a team with the good wins they do have as well as the bad losses.

I just looked at Sagarin, and WI doesn't actually have a bad loss. Their 3 worst losses are Creighton, Iowa and Virginia, and all three are ranked in Sagarin's top 33. Their other 5 losses are (Sagarin rankings in ()FL (#2)

@Marguette (#17)

Mich ST (#7)

@OSU (#13)

@MN (#16)

Their wins include: @IU (#1), UM (#4), MN (#16) and OSU (#13)

Losing to Minnesota should count as a bad loss.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Ultimately the RPI is what the committee uses and their remaining schedule, save for MSU, isn't anything to write home about. A 5 seed is plenty fair for a team with the good wins they do have as well as the bad losses.

I just looked at Sagarin, and WI doesn't actually have a bad loss. Their 3 worst losses are Creighton, Iowa and Virginia, and all three are ranked in Sagarin's top 33. Their other 5 losses are (Sagarin rankings in ()FL (#2)

@Marguette (#17)

Mich ST (#7)

@OSU (#13)

@MN (#16)

Their wins include: @IU (#1), UM (#4), MN (#16) and OSU (#13)

Interesting...would not have necessarily ranked those 3 loses as high as Sagarin did.

Kenpom has them ranked: Creighton (21), Iowa (30), Virginia (19)

Losing to Minnesota should count as a bad loss.

I'm assuming this is a fishing trip. Losing in overtime on the road to a team that is currently ranked #14 on Kenpom, #16 Sagarin, #15 RPI is in no way a bad loss.edited to add: Poll Attacks.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Going to be an epic battle Tuesday night. Sounds like Oladipo, although not 100%, is good to go. Probably matchup with Harris. Hopefully our bigs can take it to Zeller inside a good deal of the time, get him in foul trouble early. I see that as being a big key to State being succesful. Can't wait. going to be nuts at the Bres once again.

Drew Neitzel was on some Michigan sport show yesterday saying MSU would win by at least 7.I don't take much time to watch MSU games, especially when the Wings are on, but I'll be flipping from 1 to the other tonight. Should be a good one.

 

[Frostillicus]

Ultimately the RPI is what the committee uses and their remaining schedule, save for MSU, isn't anything to write home about. A 5 seed is plenty fair for a team with the good wins they do have as well as the bad losses.

I just looked at Sagarin, and WI doesn't actually have a bad loss. Their 3 worst losses are Creighton, Iowa and Virginia, and all three are ranked in Sagarin's top 33. Their other 5 losses are (Sagarin rankings in ()FL (#2)

@Marguette (#17)

Mich ST (#7)

@OSU (#13)

@MN (#16)

Their wins include: @IU (#1), UM (#4), MN (#16) and OSU (#13)

Interesting...would not have necessarily ranked those 3 loses as high as Sagarin did.

Kenpom has them ranked: Creighton (21), Iowa (30), Virginia (19)

Losing to Minnesota should count as a bad loss.

I'm assuming this is a fishing trip. Losing in overtime on the road to a team that is currently ranked #14 on Kenpom, #16 Sagarin, #15 RPI is in no way a bad loss.edited to add: Poll Attacks.

It's not a fishing trip . I'm a Gopher fan. They're terrible.

 

[Keerock]

Going to be an epic battle Tuesday night. Sounds like Oladipo, although not 100%, is good to go. Probably matchup with Harris. Hopefully our bigs can take it to Zeller inside a good deal of the time, get him in foul trouble early. I see that as being a big key to State being succesful. Can't wait. going to be nuts at the Bres once again.

Drew Neitzel was on some Michigan sport show yesterday saying MSU would win by at least 7.I don't take much time to watch MSU games, especially when the Wings are on, but I'll be flipping from 1 to the other tonight. Should be a good one.

Thanks for the jinx, Drew...

 

[cj*]

I am continually baffled as to why Michigan struggles against OSU....I don't get it.

In what sport?

Isn't this the basketball thread??

Serious question for you commish. Is it mental? Michigan has the Same flaw as the buckeyes, no inside presence. There is not a single big man on either team that requires help when defending in the post. Teams with a dominant inside presence and a solid wing defense will neutralize any advantage either team may have.

 

[The Commish]

I am continually baffled as to why Michigan struggles against OSU....I don't get it.

In what sport?

Isn't this the basketball thread??

Serious question for you commish. Is it mental? Michigan has the Same flaw as the buckeyes, no inside presence. There is not a single big man on either team that requires help when defending in the post. Teams with a dominant inside presence and a solid wing defense will neutralize any advantage either team may have.

Not sure what it is...seems that the OSU team that shows up for Michigan rarely shows up anywhere else. Michigan is what they are. I don't know of any games this year where I watched and said "wow, where did THAT team come from?" Morgan's a good player but been injured and I don't know when he's coming back. McGary is so raw, he has a ways to go.

 

[pigskinliquors]

It's not a fishing trip . I'm a Gopher fan. They're terrible.

You are certainly allowed that opinion. Myself and a bunch of college coaches, respected members of the media, and fancy computers disagree with you. Considering that MN has not gotten out of the 1st round in the NCAA tournament in 15 years (with only 4 NCAA appearances), I don't think MN fans should think of this team as "terrible."

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Serious question for you commish. Is it mental? Michigan has the Same flaw as the buckeyes, no inside presence. There is not a single big man on either team that requires help when defending in the post. Teams with a dominant inside presence and a solid wing defense will neutralize any advantage either team may have.

Not sure what it is...seems that the OSU team that shows up for Michigan rarely shows up anywhere else. Michigan is what they are. I don't know of any games this year where I watched and said "wow, where did THAT team come from?" Morgan's a good player but been injured and I don't know when he's coming back. McGary is so raw, he has a ways to go.

You serious? I've said that many times watching those freshmen on the court. They're freshmen, remember? There is very much a wow factor I think.

 

[The Commish]

It's not a fishing trip . I'm a Gopher fan. They're terrible.

You are certainly allowed that opinion. Myself and a bunch of college coaches, respected members of the media, and fancy computers disagree with you. Considering that MN has not gotten out of the 1st round in the NCAA tournament in 15 years (with only 4 NCAA appearances), I don't think MN fans should think of this team as "terrible."

There seems to be a strong sentiment that while MN is better, they still aren't "good" in the eyes of MN fans. I get all these rankings and stats, but for me, especially in CBB, I like the eye test above them all. They just seem to be a team with a ton of talent (see the stats) but incredibly undisciplined. So I do believe they have a ton of potential, but aren't close to where they need to be in terms of what's going on between their ears.

 

[The Commish]

Serious question for you commish. Is it mental? Michigan has the Same flaw as the buckeyes, no inside presence. There is not a single big man on either team that requires help when defending in the post. Teams with a dominant inside presence and a solid wing defense will neutralize any advantage either team may have.

Not sure what it is...seems that the OSU team that shows up for Michigan rarely shows up anywhere else. Michigan is what they are. I don't know of any games this year where I watched and said "wow, where did THAT team come from?" Morgan's a good player but been injured and I don't know when he's coming back. McGary is so raw, he has a ways to go.

You serious? I've said that many times watching those freshmen on the court. They're freshmen, remember? There is very much a wow factor I think.

I'm talking about from a consistency standpoint, not from an accomplishment standpoint. Yes "wow" they are really good for as young as they are. I'm talking about the "wow" they are so inconsistent I don't even recognize the team. They don't lay eggs (sans the MSU game).

 

[swirvenirvin]

I am continually baffled as to why Michigan struggles against OSU....I don't get it.

In what sport?

Isn't this the basketball thread??

Serious question for you commish. Is it mental? Michigan has the Same flaw as the buckeyes, no inside presence. There is not a single big man on either team that requires help when defending in the post. Teams with a dominant inside presence and a solid wing defense will neutralize any advantage either team may have.

McGary is so raw, he has a ways to go.

He shouldn't be I think he is damn near 21

 

[Frostillicus]

It's not a fishing trip . I'm a Gopher fan. They're terrible.

You are certainly allowed that opinion. Myself and a bunch of college coaches, respected members of the media, and fancy computers disagree with you. Considering that MN has not gotten out of the 1st round in the NCAA tournament in 15 years (with only 4 NCAA appearances), I don't think MN fans should think of this team as "terrible."

Relax, nerd.

 

[SayWhat?]

It's not a fishing trip . I'm a Gopher fan. They're terrible.

You are certainly allowed that opinion. Myself and a bunch of college coaches, respected members of the media, and fancy computers disagree with you. Considering that MN has not gotten out of the 1st round in the NCAA tournament in 15 years (with only 4 NCAA appearances), I don't think MN fans should think of this team as "terrible."

Just watch this team play against a semi-competent opponent and you'll see that they are, indeed, terrible. Maybe not ultimately as terrible in relation to Gopher teams of the past 15 years as you relate their "success" of this season to, but terrible nonetheless. Someone a few posts back said that Minnesota is one of the B1G teams with the most to play for to finish out the season, as they in essence are "playing for anywhere from a #4 to #10 seed." Let's be honest here. They're not just playing for a tourney seed, they're playing to actually make the tourney. The NIT is a very distinct possibility now for this squad. Continuing to lose to teams that they shouldn't beat (Ohio State and Indiana), a road loss to Purdue, and even a potential loss to bottom feeders Penn State or Nebraska, could easily have them on the outside looking in. Let's put it this way, are the Gophers (18-8, 6-7) in if they lose at Ohio State, lose vs Indiana, win vs Penn State, win at Nebraska, lose at Purdue, then lose in the 1st round of the Big 10 tourney, to finish 20-12 overall, 8-11 vs the B1G, and likely finish 7th or 8th in the conference? They'd have finished the season losing 7 of their last 10, or 11 of their last 16, with their only wins being Nebraska twice, Iowa, Penn State, and Wisconsin at home (in a game that was a likely loss if Bruesewitz doesn't travel on an inbounds play)? That's a tough call. Regardless, a team that can't beat teams that it shouldn't and still loses the occassional clunker to someone like Iowa isn't a good team.I hate to say this, but I hope it boils down to Tim Miles' Huskers knocking the Gophers right out of the NCAA tournament in a what would be a terrible road loss at Nebraska, which ultimately knocks Tubby out of his position of complacency as the Gophers head coach. Time for some fresh blood.

 

[jon_mx]

Why would Minnesota lose to Purdue? Purdue has truly sucked lately. And Minn should have a better than average shot at winning the first round of the B1G tourney.

 

[SayWhat?]

Why would Minnesota lose to Purdue? Purdue has truly sucked lately. And Minn should have a better than average shot at winning the first round of the B1G tourney.

I get that Purdue has sucked lately. But if you've seen the Gophers play recently (they got outscored something like 67-30 to close out their game at Iowa), I'm not sure why you assume that a game on the road at Purdue would be an automatic win. I'd call it a coinflip, to be honest. As for the Big 10 tourney, they could very well be matched up against an Iowa or Illinois. It's debatable whether such a matchup would result in a "better than average shot at winning" IMO.

 

[sporthenry]

Always amazed at how good these teams can play after playing some ugly games.

 

[jon_mx]

There is not a better player in the than Oladipo.

 

[heckmanm]

There is not a better player in the than Oladipo.

I think the ankle is OK.Gotta love the Meadowlark Lemon inbound for the dunk

 

[sporthenry]

That rule is bad. It is an offensive foul but not a flagrant foul.

 

[jon_mx]

Continuation!

 

[Premier]

Why does ESPN have a huuuuuuuuge MSU homer/alum calling this game? He's said "we" about 35 times now.

 

[jon_mx]

Why does ESPN have a huuuuuuuuge MSU homer/alum calling this game? He's said "we" about 35 times now.

He is magic. Magic loves the game. He is as complimentary to indiana as msu