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Big Ten Basketball 2022/2023 - Return to Power (1 Viewer)

BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
Fire his ###. That’s ridiculous 

once a thug always a thug

Looked like Diabate and Williams all threw punches.
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What's with these Michigan and MSU coaches??  I remember when Izzo grabbed a player a couple years ago too. Howard was wrong but at least he went after another coach.  Izzo tried to intimidate a player.   

 
No excuse for what Juwan did. He will be and should be suspended. And hopefully anger management classes.

Saying he should be fired is an overreaction.

 
I wonder if Chris Webber keeps tracks of his Twitter mentions, and if he does did he notice that his name had a huge uptick today and it did so because every other tweet was a variation of the same joke: if Juwan Howard wanted to punch someone for calling a timeout he should have punched Chris Webber. 

 
Juwon Howard unfit to coach in the Big. Caleb Houston trying to escalate after teams seperating.Davison being a Biff. yep Michigan Wisconsin game , all boxes checked.

 
Hey Juwan, if you don’t want the opposing coach to call a timeout when he’s up 15 with 15 seconds left, don’t press when you’re down 15 with 15 seconds left.  🤷🏼‍♂️
 

I’m not a fan of people getting canceled for making mistakes.  While on the surface, “he should be fired” seems harsh, this has become an alarming pattern with Howard and his post game presser didn’t do him any favors IMO.  I have zero problems with him being canned, and if I were sitting on the Michigan campus making those decisions, that’s the way I’d be leaning this morning.  

 
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The Howard episode doesn’t seem that big of a deal when compared to the way the Big East used to be years ago. Just sayin’….

 
a few points 1 juwaun howard called a timeout down 14 with 35 seconds left against ohio state a few weeks ago 2 it might not work in howards favor that michigan as a state has had some real issues with crummy people around its sports teams in the recent past and likely has less tolerance for this than other programs right now just my two points take that to the bank brohans

 
As Gard explained in the post-game on-court interview, he called the timeout to reset the 10 second clock, which had run down to 4. He had inexperienced guys in the game at the end, and they were having difficulty getting the ball across half court.  There was at least one steal and several fouls (on both sides). It was never a spiteful thing to retaliate for MU pressing, just SOP.

 
Well it is now a "racial" incident.  The Ticket this morning is getting tons of call from black folk supporting Howard saying "A white man should never put his hands on a black man" Howard`s response was a "cultural" response, and all black men would do the same.

Another report. this morning is that the assistant who got slapped yelled FU at Howard.

In a strange way I like these fiery incidents.  Tom Izzo is old school that way with how he treats players who screw up, now Howard goes after a coach.

The Bobby Knight era is back in the BIG!!

 
Da Guru said:
Well it is now a "racial" incident.  The Ticket this morning is getting tons of call from black folk supporting Howard saying "A white man should never put his hands on a black man" Howard`s response was a "cultural" response, and all black men would do the same.

Another report. this morning is that the assistant who got slapped yelled FU at Howard.

In a strange way I like these fiery incidents.  Tom Izzo is old school that way with how he treats players who screw up, now Howard goes after a coach.

The Bobby Knight era is back in the BIG!!
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Of course it is SMH

 
Da Guru said:
Well it is now a "racial" incident.  The Ticket this morning is getting tons of call from black folk supporting Howard saying "A white man should never put his hands on a black man" Howard`s response was a "cultural" response, and all black men would do the same.

Another report. this morning is that the assistant who got slapped yelled FU at Howard.

In a strange way I like these fiery incidents.  Tom Izzo is old school that way with how he treats players who screw up, now Howard goes after a coach.

The Bobby Knight era is back in the BIG!!
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Yes...the big bad intimidating Gred Gard.

Howard came to him pulling the mask down confronting him...he was the aggressor, the one trying to intimidate and his first reaction of being touched on the elbow is to grab Gard's shirt and then point in his face.  Again, showing more signs of aggression and attempts to intimidate.

The next point...that was all pretty much done...and Howard comes back to take a swing at another coach.

The whole need to defend Howard Ive seen out there is just so strange to me.

 
Howard was clearly the aggressor and in the wrong here, though the asst. coach who got swiped seemed to be the guy who re-escalated things after the initial separation. I'd like to hear what he was screaming at Howard that led to the punch.

 
sho nuff said:
Yes...the big bad intimidating Gred Gard.

Howard came to him pulling the mask down confronting him...he was the aggressor, the one trying to intimidate and his first reaction of being touched on the elbow is to grab Gard's shirt and then point in his face.  Again, showing more signs of aggression and attempts to intimidate.

The next point...that was all pretty much done...and Howard comes back to take a swing at another coach.

The whole need to defend Howard Ive seen out there is just so strange to me.
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Who is defending him? Some idiots on a call in show? Who cares?

 
whoknew said:
Who is defending him? Some idiots on a call in show? Who cares?
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Quite a few people actually have been.  Desmond Howard, Rex Champman...several with that "don't put your hands on the man" type narrative. There have been some...and its just ridiculous.

 
The "don't put your hands on another man" argument MIGHT make a little bit of sense if Howard and Gard had gotten into a shoving match after Gard stepped in front of him, which led to Howard eventually throwing a punch.  Even then, it would be unacceptable.  But, that's not even what happened.  He threw a punch at a coach who never got within five feet of him.  In my opinion, throwing a punch as a head coach of a college basketball team, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, is probably grounds for dismissal, or at the very least a remainder-of-the-year suspension.  Add in Howard's track record of having issues with his temper (threatening to kill Turgeon last season, as one example), and he needs to be gone.  Get some treatment for your anger issues, and once you've proven that you're a different person, MAYBE be considered as a coaching candidate again somewhere.  

That said, I think there are others who need to be held accountable as well.  Not even close to the same level as Howard, but Gard didn't need to put his hand on Howard.  He also didn't need to step into Howard's path.  Those things don't happen, and we're not having this discussion.  And, the asst coach from Wisconsin should have been trying to de-escalate the situation, not the other way around.  Same goes for any other coaches/players who participated in any way other than trying to calm things down.  But, just to be clear, none of those things even begin to excuse Howard for what he did.  It doesn't make his actions any less severe.  It just means that there are others who acted in poor judgment.  

I do have a problem with people arguing that Gard is partially to blame for calling a timeout.  That's BS.  I've watching hundreds, if not thousands, of basketball games in my life.  Played in HS, and in college.  I've seen timeouts called in the most bizarre of situations.  Literally with five seconds left in a 30-point blowout, by both sides.  No matter the circumstances, it's not a big deal.  Certainly not something that should be viewed as some kind of slap in the face.  Coaches handle situations differently.  Some use every moment as a teaching moment, right down to the final whistle, no matter what the scoreboard says.  That's not for Howard to decide.  And, to somehow try to justify throwing hands because the opposing coach called a timeout is inexplicable.  One of the dumbest arguments I've heard in the history of sports, honestly.  It would be one thing if Wisconsin was pressing while up by 30.  Even then, you might have a word with the opposing coach, and that's about it.  You don't stoop to the level that Howard did over a timeout.  The fact that he uses that argument tells me that he needs professional help.  He just doesn't get it.  

 
Howard was once bounced by the NBA for two games for throwing punches at two opposing players during a preseason game.

Not regular season. Not playoffs. Preseason.  :loco:

 
I predict (even though it's almost already happening) that the aftermath will be significantly more ridiculous than the "brawl" itself. 

  • They called a timeout up by 15 :cry:
  • They were in a full court press down by 15 :cry:
  • He put his hands on me :cry:
  • I'll remember this :cry:
  • Gard isn't allowed to touch a black man :cry:
  • They should be suspended :cry:
  • They should be fired :cry:
  • Can't fire or suspend a black coach... that's racist!  :cry:
  • BIG punishment will be too lenient/aggressive :cry:
  • UM punishment will be too lenient/aggressive :cry:
  • I :cry: for our future
 
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Keerock said:
I predict (even though it's almost already happening) that the aftermath will be significantly more ridiculous than the "brawl" itself. 

  • They called a timeout up by 15 :cry:
  • They were in a full court press down by 15 :cry:
  • He put his hands on me :cry:
  • I'll remember this :cry:
  • Gard isn't allowed to touch a black man :cry:
  • He should be suspended :cry:
  • He should be fired :cry:
  • Can't fire or suspend a black coach... that's racist!  :cry:
  • BIG punishment will be too lenient/aggressive :cry:
  • UM punishment will be too lenient/aggressive :cry:
  • I :cry: for our future
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Totally agree. The groundwork is already being set...

 
On eliminating the handshake line after college games:

"Not shaking hands, that's typical of our country right now. instead of solving the problem, let's make an excuse instead of confronting and demanding it change."

 
Keerock said:
On eliminating the handshake line after college games:

"Not shaking hands, that's typical of our country right now. instead of solving the problem, let's make an excuse instead of confronting and demanding it change."
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Up until now, Juwan is the only one with a history of having a problem with them...

 
BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
Up until now, Juwan is the only one with a history of having a problem with them...
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Yeah... but that's what many are proposing as a solution to this "brawl" situation.  Let's just cancel the handshake line, then we won't have issues.  Instead, WTF don't we just stop being wussies and be good human beings? 

 
Keerock said:
Yeah... but that's what many are proposing as a solution to this "brawl" situation.  Let's just cancel the handshake line, then we won't have issues.  Instead, WTF don't we just stop being wussies and be good human beings? 
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Yep, says a lot about today's culture

 
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whoknew said:
Didn't listen to Bilas, eh?
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Yea I listened... :shrug:

Point is he talked about sportsmanship, which Howard has shown time and time again to be something he severely lacks.

Again, the larger point is, Howard assaulted someone. Like your own AD said in his statement:

“There is no excuse for any of our staff or student-athletes to get into a physical altercation with others regardless of instigating factors.”

Should be interesting what the penalties will be handed out by Warde after the B1G makes it's decision

 
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BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
Yea I listened... :shrug:

Point is he talked about sportsmanship, which Howard has shown time and time again to be something he severely lacks.

Again, the larger point is, Howard assaulted someone. Like your own AD said in his statement:

“There is no excuse for any of our staff or student-athletes to get into a physical altercation with others regardless of instigating factors.”
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Yea no ####. I said up last night that there was no excuse for what Juwan did. 

But we had gone off on a tangent about how handshake lines are kind of stupid. And that's what I was replying to. 

 
Statement coming in the 6 o'clock hour from  B1G...

Here’s what will happen:

B1G will make a statement with discipline.

Warde will release a statement immediately following saying that type of behavior isn’t acceptable at UM and he will serve their suspension. There will be an apology from Juwan in the release which was written by a UM lawyer or PR.

That will be the end of it.

 
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Newsflash.  Handshake lines aren’t mandatory.  If Howard wants to skip them because he can’t handle the pressure, he could/should have done so.  Meanwhile, everybody else who isn’t a risk to assault someone, proceed as usual.  

If a kid goes crazy at lunch and stabs another kid with a fork, do we get rid of all forks in cafeterias across the country, or just deal with the kid who can’t handle being around forks?  

This shouldn’t be that complicated.

 
sho nuff said:
Yes...the big bad intimidating Gred Gard.

Howard came to him pulling the mask down confronting him...he was the aggressor, the one trying to intimidate and his first reaction of being touched on the elbow is to grab Gard's shirt and then point in his face.  Again, showing more signs of aggression and attempts to intimidate.

The next point...that was all pretty much done...and Howard comes back to take a swing at another coach.

The whole need to defend Howard Ive seen out there is just so strange to me.
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I am a U-M grad. My daughter works volleyball camps at U-M.  I have met Howard a couple of times around the gym and he is a good guy and the players love him. 

My gut feeling is he will be fired. Hope I am wrong.

 
Michigan will suspend men’s basketball coach Juwan Howard for the rest of the regular season, a source tells Yahoo Sports.

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That's an appropriate punishment. I hope they also make him take some anger management.

 
whoknew said:
Michigan will suspend men’s basketball coach Juwan Howard for the rest of the regular season, a source tells Yahoo Sports.

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That's an appropriate punishment. I hope they also make him take some anger management.
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I guess making him coach in the NIT should be considered part of the punishment

 
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