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Biggest Surprise of the 2014 NFL Draft? (1 Viewer)
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Keith Lewis
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The Raiders made a good pick. The days of Al Davis are over.
yeh but why did they trade back up 1 pick to take a corner ... that was kind of a waste
SaintsInDome2006
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Actually I think this was one of the most dramatic moments of what has been a great draft. I was wondering if the spirit of Al would jump up and do something crazy.
But generally I'd say that the Bills trade up so quick to snag Watkins is the biggest/best surprise.
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jurb26
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They gave up a 5th, no big deal. They thought Minn wanted him I guess. Or, Minn convinced them someone else was looking to trade up as well.
Kleck
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trader jake
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The Bills are the new Raiders.
BoltBacker
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I would have never guessed NO would trade up for a WR given the depth of WR in this draft. Can't wait to read how NO is going to try to be a more balanced offense again next spring. It's their "annual going out of business sale!"
BoltBacker
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SaintsInDome2006
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Louche
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Yes, it's not fantasy. It's not like they are happy with any player at the position - they want their guy, the guy that fits their scheme and the guy they have connected with in meetings and workouts. Cooks was an obvious fit for PHI in terms of what kind of offense they have and the success D-Jax had last season so I am pretty sure NOS felt they had to make a jump to get him.
Bortles, Shazier.
Especially Shazier. Mostly because it felt like the Steelers took him in about 30 seconds, which suggests to me that they had him REALLY high on their draft board, and were delighted he fell. I expected them to be reeling a little when Fuller went right before they picked, but instead, it looked like they were locked and loaded and eager to nab their guy. Was an interesting moment to me.
Especially Shazier. Mostly because it felt like the Steelers took him in about 30 seconds, which suggests to me that they had him REALLY high on their draft board, and were delighted he fell. I expected them to be reeling a little when Fuller went right before they picked, but instead, it looked like they were locked and loaded and eager to nab their guy. Was an interesting moment to me.
Milkman
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He's a beast dude. He needs to add another 5-10 pounds and they need to work on his technique but he is and elite athlete that produced in college. That's a scary combination........
None of which made it less surprising to me (or to the Steeler fans, gauging by their reaction in the Steeler thread).
Milkman
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Yeah I understand what you are saying and you described it well. He was by far their BPA it seemed. I think the Steelers got the steal of the draft unless Manziel or Bridgewater hit big. When we do a redraft 5 years from now Shazier will be a top 10 pick imo.
Shutout
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- Surprised how much this looked like a fantasy draft. Teams trading up to draft Wrs? The Lions putting Ebron in about the best fantasy spot he could land. The Saints using their 1st rounder on a WR. THat one really got me just because it seems like you have some young guys there and there were options in FA that could have been explored and come back with a more solid pick like O-line.
It was different than I expected.
Sabertooth
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Surprised need and BPA lined up for Green Bay taking Clinton-Dix.
Bracie Smathers
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No one has mentioned the Marcus Smith pick?
That one had me baffled especially after Philly traded-down.
That one had me baffled especially after Philly traded-down.
Louche
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I agree. Benjamin makes sense as a luxury addition as an end zone threat but I would think they would primarily need a chain mover that could get them to the endzone and that is not him. And the combination of him being raw AND old for a rookie just screams potential 1st round bust.jurb26 said:
massraider
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Bortles to the Jags. Did a great job of hiding their intentions.
When worst band discussions come up, it's no fun to be the guy that brings up Nickelback.
The Hank
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Donnybrook
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I thought the Ebron pick was a surprise. Surprising how fast Detroit turned in their card.
Milkman
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jurb26
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Yes, this was a surprise pick for sure.
Mr. Irrelevant
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I don't think Smith was as bad a pick as either Benjamin or Ja'wuan James, but I'll admit this made me
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Pipes
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They still may move Hyde to safety...it's not like Burnett's that good either. Like the Dix pick...he's exactly what the Packers need a safety that covers a lot of ground. Dix may not be a star but he should be solid and can't be any worse than MD Jennings who in 16 games had 0 Int and 1 pass defensed. That's absolutely pathetic for a starting safety.
Cold Dead Hands
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Anyone catch the hate in Gruden's eyes everytime he was interrupted by Lewis? Which was everytime Gruden attempted to speak.
Bortles was biggest shock to me. I had him mocked as first QB off the board for the Titans at pick 11 but never saw this coming. (Mayock did not either despite trying his attempt at mock speculation right before it was made)
Bills giving up what they did to get Watkins is other big shocker and for multiple reasons. One issue is while I don't see a true #1 on the Bills they've got a lot of good receivers. Second issue is the team is simply not good enough to sacrifice so many assets. Been reading today they think this trade signals they are in win now mode. Good luck with that.
Bills giving up what they did to get Watkins is other big shocker and for multiple reasons. One issue is while I don't see a true #1 on the Bills they've got a lot of good receivers. Second issue is the team is simply not good enough to sacrifice so many assets. Been reading today they think this trade signals they are in win now mode. Good luck with that.
I'm as surprised Ray Lewis was bad as I'll be when the sun comes up tomorrow. What was puzzling was why ESPN put such a weak 4 man team together to do the heavy lifting. Gruden was only person's opinion I respected and we all know he just puts a rosy spin on everything.
Still I had to switch from NFLN to ESPN due to what I think was a bushleague move by them to have Mayock suddenly speculate on a player that team might take once the news broke on twitter that they had actually already taken the player.
The Shazier pick was a surprise to Shazier and his agent as well. Keep in mind Shazier had already just got a call from his agent informing him he was about to be picked by Dallas at 16. What a wild few minutes that must have been for Shazier.Freelove said:
I never saw that pick coming myself but I like it, a lot.
Porkchop Express
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sho nuff
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Perhaps...or they can talk about it and do whatever as smoke screen...but perhaps they know Hyde just isn't a safety.
To just claim Dennard is by far better...seems an odd statement.
Both are very good players. Dix fits what they need and have needed badly since Collins got hurt.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I don't see Hyde moving now.
Burnett, with someone else back there...will be allowed now, IMO, to roam a bit more and use his frame. I think they like Hyde where they have him at corner...and we can't trust that Hayward will be able to stay healthy.
And thanks for making me throw up a bit in my mouth with the MD talk.
FunkyPlutos
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This was a surprise to me as well...and as a Viking fan, doesn't make me happy! Great fit for the Pack.Sabertooth said:
sho nuff
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Whole division did well IMO.
Defending Calvin, Ebron, Bush, and Tate is going to be...um..fun?
Bears adding a solid corner.
Minnesota with Barr's quickness on the edge will be tough (if they can get him a bit more disciplined and work on his technique)...plus adding a QB who actually makes good decisions.
Dix isn't going to be the savior people think. He does not have close to the elite athleticism of the top 5-7 safeties in the league. If you compare Dix/Hyde combine numbers they are nearly identical in every category - except Hyde was substantially faster in the change of direction/shuttle exercises. I honestly think Hyde would perform better at safety than Clinton-Dix. Hyde has proven ball skills.
You're setting yourself up for a gross disappointment comparing any safety the Packers obtain to Nick Collins. He was a perennial ALL-PRO (3x and would have been more) and Super Bowl champion prior to his injury. It's been stated by Packers beat writers that had his career continued on that path he'd be headed to Canton. Few safeties in NFL history were all-pros 3x in their first 6 years. If anyone is comparable in today's NFL, it's Earl Thomas (also 3x all-pro, but in his first 4 years). Both are/were arguably the best free safety in the game. Collins also ran a 4.36 40-time and was an elite athletic specimen, unlike Dix. You don't just replace guys like Nick Collins.
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I don't think anybody was comparing anybody to Collins. Merely stating that there'd been a glaring hole in that position since Collins. A pretty dire situation if you're intent on playing a cover 1.
I do think Hyde could probably play FS for most teams. Obviously, a cover 1 FS has to be able to diagnose plays better than most safeties, and I haven't sat down and talked football with either Hyde or Ha Ha, but the Packer brass seems to think the latter possesses the mental and physical tools to take up the reigns. Maybe there's reason for them to think Hyde would struggle in that role. No way to tell unless you're in film study with them, I suppose. Plus, McCarthy's gone on record as saying he wanted to keep Hyde free to fill in wherever needed on the field, while still playing as close to 100% of the snaps as possible. A real nod to his versatility, if nothing else.
Be nice for them if HHCD can play a legit center field and Hyde can be the glue guy that frees up Burnett to roam the box more often (and more importantly, get caught in coverage he can't handle LESS). I'm sure Capers would be happy, and I'll wager he had some pretty strong input into the selection.
But no matter how one feels about the choice, I can't say I find it very surprising.
I do think Hyde could probably play FS for most teams. Obviously, a cover 1 FS has to be able to diagnose plays better than most safeties, and I haven't sat down and talked football with either Hyde or Ha Ha, but the Packer brass seems to think the latter possesses the mental and physical tools to take up the reigns. Maybe there's reason for them to think Hyde would struggle in that role. No way to tell unless you're in film study with them, I suppose. Plus, McCarthy's gone on record as saying he wanted to keep Hyde free to fill in wherever needed on the field, while still playing as close to 100% of the snaps as possible. A real nod to his versatility, if nothing else.
Be nice for them if HHCD can play a legit center field and Hyde can be the glue guy that frees up Burnett to roam the box more often (and more importantly, get caught in coverage he can't handle LESS). I'm sure Capers would be happy, and I'll wager he had some pretty strong input into the selection.
But no matter how one feels about the choice, I can't say I find it very surprising.
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Pipes
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They aren't replacing Collins they are replacing MD Jennings who Dix will be night and day better than. Again I don't think anyone is expecting Dix to be an all pro stud but he should be a solid starting safety. Who cares is Hyde was better at the shuttle exercises...we haven't seen him play free safety or did he at Iowa? I honestly don't remember him.
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