NO obviously wasn't going to go with RB with the 1st rd pick. That would've been dumb. Anyways, a scat back like Mike Bell ruined his value. A RB in rds 4-7 who makes the team could do the same.Pierre Thomas
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Biggest winners/losers from day 1 (2 Viewers)
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Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
I absolutely hate what the Patriots did.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Am I the only one that thinks Detroit didn't need to trade up for Best? I missed the last few picks, so I'm not sure, but did one of the last few teams (from about the Jets on) look/sound like they might snag Best, so Detroit felt the need to trade up to get him?
As a Lions fan, I like Best, but I think we didn't need to trade up for him, and we could have snagged an OT (Saffold, if available?) or gone in other directions. There were plenty of other RBs available in the 3rd round and beyond if Best had been taken before the 2.02 pick.
As a Lions fan, I like Best, but I think we didn't need to trade up for him, and we could have snagged an OT (Saffold, if available?) or gone in other directions. There were plenty of other RBs available in the 3rd round and beyond if Best had been taken before the 2.02 pick.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
I'm surprised there's not more talk about this. I like McCourty but I don't see CB as a major need. They should have stuck where they were and took a pass rusher...or Dez.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Even though the teams between the Lions pick and Vikings pick did not need a RB, there is nothing that says some other team would not try and trade up to take him. For that reason, I think they did the right thing and they only swapped 4th's and added a 7th. There were other RBs available that they could have drafted later, but none has the game breaking ability that Best does and that is something this offense needs bad. Best is blazing fast and can make defenses pay for overcovering Calvin. I totally loved this pick and think the Lions were among the big winners of day 1.
Native
Footballguy
Biggest Losers - Broncos fans. You guys deserve better than this.
Second biggest Loser - Brady Quinn. This guy was a potential #1 overall pick and he cant catch a break.
Third biggest loser - Jacksonville - With all the trade activity, they should have been able to move back a few spots and gain some extra picks
Second biggest Loser - Brady Quinn. This guy was a potential #1 overall pick and he cant catch a break.
Third biggest loser - Jacksonville - With all the trade activity, they should have been able to move back a few spots and gain some extra picks
gianmarco
Footballguy
Mike Bell is most definitely NOT a scat back. Also, I wouldn't put it past Payton at all to have selected J. Best if he had fallen to 32.NO obviously wasn't going to go with RB with the 1st rd pick. That would've been dumb. Anyways, a scat back like Mike Bell ruined his value. A RB in rds 4-7 who makes the team could do the same.Pierre Thomas
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
In addition to loving what Detroit did, I also was very impressed with what San Fran, Seattle and Dallas did.
I really think a lot of teams try to overthink things. Dez Bryant is a top 5 talent in this draft and the Cowboys get him that late? Teams will be kicking themselves for years...
I really think a lot of teams try to overthink things. Dez Bryant is a top 5 talent in this draft and the Cowboys get him that late? Teams will be kicking themselves for years...
Cassius
Footballguy
Even Devin Mccourty himself didnt think he was going to be drafted on day 1.He was in the bathroom when BB called.
1st round players shouldn't have bladders?
Workhorse
Footballguy
The Patriots secondary opposite Bodden got routinely torched last season. Wilhite was horrific and eventually lost his job to a nearly washed up Shawn Springs. Given the WR acquisitions by the Jets and Dolphins, CB seemed to be an obvious choice to me. Plus, they picked up a 4th round pick and traded into the 3rd round in a deep draft. All in all, I'm pretty happy with the Patriots Day 1.
Comer
Footballguy
I hated the pick, they trade up to get a RB when they need defense. Best is a good player but, Fat Cody was there, Mays was there, 2 pretty good OLB were there and they trade up for a RB? The Lions could have used the 3rd to draft the great white hype or trade a 3rd or a 4th and got Lynch. The lions have a lack of picks and gave 2 away for a RB that is good but, already has concussion issues? Hopefully they realize they need a defense soon.
Ok I misused that term - more like another RB to be in a RBBC - Payton can still draft a RB that's good for 150+ carries/yrMike Bell is most definitely NOT a scat back. Also, I wouldn't put it past Payton at all to have selected J. Best if he had fallen to 32.NO obviously wasn't going to go with RB with the 1st rd pick. That would've been dumb. Anyways, a scat back like Mike Bell ruined his value. A RB in rds 4-7 who makes the team could do the same.Pierre Thomas
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roadkill1292
Footballguy
I think the Patriots did their usual good job screwing up the Ravens with their Dallas trade because I think Ozzie would have grabbed Dez Bryant if available. Dez going off the board probably triggered the ensuing trade with Denver, which only looks wildly unbalanced on the surface because of who the Broncos took with that pick.
While Baltimore still needs secondary help, it wouldn't surprise me if they use of those seconds to grab Golden Tate, who I like a lot.
While Baltimore still needs secondary help, it wouldn't surprise me if they use of those seconds to grab Golden Tate, who I like a lot.
Shooter McGavin
Down the middle
I agree. There was no value in trading up in that situation. There wasn't a great chance that any of the three teams in front of them would take Best, and if they did, there were good options at S, LB, and OL, which are all positions that they need. Trading up for a smallish RB with a couple of concussions -- including a severe one -- doesn't seem like a great move. And I can't help but remember the last time they traded up into the end of the 1st round to draft a RB...
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
I have heard stuff like this from a few Lions fans... I don't get it. You are upset they passed on Cody, Mays and two primarily 3-4 OLB's? Not me. Cody 's best value is in a 3-4 front, and a ton of 3-4 teams passed on him in the 20's already. Mays has bust written all over him, I wan't no part of him. The Lions have a long way to go yes what they need first and foremost is talent. I am also a big believer in the idea that sometimes it is better to strengthen a strength than try to fix a weakness. Adding Best to that offense could very well make that a dangerous, top 10 offense in the next year or two. The only other move I really would have liked at that spot is trading up to get Kyle Wilson. When he was still there around the mid 20's I said that I would have loved to see them make that move. I am guessing they felt comfortable with the depth at the CB position later on, and likely felt that Best was the last difference maker at RB available.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Eagles could have picked him. They traded for the pick before the Seahawks.
Happy Ragnarok
Footballguy
For me, even though they didn't have a particularly sexy draft, Frisco is the biggest day 1 winner.
They completely overhauled the engine that's going to drive that offense for the next 5 years.
They completely overhauled the engine that's going to drive that offense for the next 5 years.
Huge loser = denver - worst draft i have seen in awhile.
Winners - seattle and sf are the obvious ones because they had two high first round picks so on paper their draft is obviously going to look pretty good so I'll leave them out.
GB - great value pick there
Dallas - same with dallas
Arizona - same with arizona
Winners - seattle and sf are the obvious ones because they had two high first round picks so on paper their draft is obviously going to look pretty good so I'll leave them out.
GB - great value pick there
Dallas - same with dallas
Arizona - same with arizona
steelcityman
Footballguy
Losers are IMO Denver, 49ers, Cleveland and Jax(because they could have moved down a bit, saved money and added an extra pick).
Winners, Detriot, Seattle, Steelers, Cowboys...those teams picked up players that not only are good talent, but they needed, and can start from day 1.
I was hoping the Steelers could have packaged up some of their later rounds and moved back up in the first(or todays early 2nd) and get another impact player, Golden Tate, T. Mays, Spikes, Kindle, or they cat I like a lot Toby Gerhart. With the 20th pick tonight, its hard to predict who might be around, I'd imagine most of the players I mentioned are gone by 20.
Winners, Detriot, Seattle, Steelers, Cowboys...those teams picked up players that not only are good talent, but they needed, and can start from day 1.
I was hoping the Steelers could have packaged up some of their later rounds and moved back up in the first(or todays early 2nd) and get another impact player, Golden Tate, T. Mays, Spikes, Kindle, or they cat I like a lot Toby Gerhart. With the 20th pick tonight, its hard to predict who might be around, I'd imagine most of the players I mentioned are gone by 20.
Comer
Footballguy
Don't get me wrong Best is a good player. Head injury concerns are a problem for me. Defense is a need more-so than Offense. Suh can play DE or DT, We could have had a dominate D-line with Cody.ETA: You build from the inside out if you want to win.
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Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
I think Kyle Wilson, Dan Williams or Dez Bryant all would have been better picks, I think the could have traded back a few spots and still taken Jackson if he was thier man.Why on earth would you have Houston in there?
PatrickT
Footballguy
Not much action for Atlanta, but I love the Weatherspoon pick. Was surprised to find out they could've traded down to 25 with Denver, but
He went on to say that he was their guy all along (which may or may not be the truth. Now the question is, do we get aggressive and trade up into the 2nd for a DE like Griffen or Dunlap? (ATL doesn't currently have 2nd rounder).
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
WINNERS:
SEA - Big winner. Two very solid players.
SF - That running game could be great. Upgrade Gore.
DEN - I disagree with most. DEN got the best WR in the draft. This kid will be a star. They got a future QB. Honestly, I don't know if Clausen, Tebow, McCoy, or others were the best QB on the board, but they needed one for the future and got one that has as much upside as any.
WAS - Skins were a winner just because Cerrato wasn't around to pick Clausen.
LOSERS:
BUF - Spiller is a great weapon, but they have no QB. I mean none. They probably expected Tebow to be on the board in the 2nd round. When Clausen and MCoy come off the board by the 8th pick tonight, they have nothing and the Spiller pick kills them. I see them getting Campbell now.
JAX - What the hell was that pick?
PHI - Trade up to 12 for a guy projected to go at 20? I expect Mays to go to them tonight. S was their real need.
SEA - Big winner. Two very solid players.
SF - That running game could be great. Upgrade Gore.
DEN - I disagree with most. DEN got the best WR in the draft. This kid will be a star. They got a future QB. Honestly, I don't know if Clausen, Tebow, McCoy, or others were the best QB on the board, but they needed one for the future and got one that has as much upside as any.
WAS - Skins were a winner just because Cerrato wasn't around to pick Clausen.
LOSERS:
BUF - Spiller is a great weapon, but they have no QB. I mean none. They probably expected Tebow to be on the board in the 2nd round. When Clausen and MCoy come off the board by the 8th pick tonight, they have nothing and the Spiller pick kills them. I see them getting Campbell now.
JAX - What the hell was that pick?
PHI - Trade up to 12 for a guy projected to go at 20? I expect Mays to go to them tonight. S was their real need.
Honda
Footballguy
Why in the world would you think that the 49ers were losers? I know there's questions about Davis' ability to pan out, but Iupati has the markings of a stud.
Honda
Footballguy
Baloney. Graham is a pass rushing nightmare and could easily have been selected by several teams before 20, particularly those in between 12 and 20 that run the 3-4.
Reaper
Footballguy
Denver fans are just going to have to suck it up for a few years and hope Mcdaniel is gone soon...
The Jets have been in this boat many times - I hate the feeling but, that draft is atrocious.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
wat?
Winners. I saw lots of them from this draft. One not mentioned though is Miami. I really like the trade down, there pick and that early 2nd they received. Very nice move and one that should get more attention.
Losers
SD: I think RB is plug and play and they have so many D needs in the end. I did not want them to even think RB with round 1 and 2. One good thing is that Matthews make get some FF points as I see SD in alot of shootouts this year. RIvers/Gates/Jackson owners rejoice.
Denv. Thomas and Tebow are so raw. We may all be wrong but Josh wont be around long enough to find out. With trading guys like Cutler and Marshall, Bronco fans want immediate results and these 2 wont be it.
Jags. I think they could have traded down and got guy. Dont mind the pick, just not doing what Miami did
Bills. What is Spiller really going to be able to do as a guy who cant carry a full load and nothing around him. JOhnson had good OL, decent D, okay QB and great coach. Spiller has none of these. They should have traded down instead with so many needs
SL: Only if true that Cleveland offered so much. I am good with the pick but it will depend on what was offered. Another team that could have used 7 picks in first 3 rounds of this draft in the end.
Losers
SD: I think RB is plug and play and they have so many D needs in the end. I did not want them to even think RB with round 1 and 2. One good thing is that Matthews make get some FF points as I see SD in alot of shootouts this year. RIvers/Gates/Jackson owners rejoice.
Denv. Thomas and Tebow are so raw. We may all be wrong but Josh wont be around long enough to find out. With trading guys like Cutler and Marshall, Bronco fans want immediate results and these 2 wont be it.
Jags. I think they could have traded down and got guy. Dont mind the pick, just not doing what Miami did
Bills. What is Spiller really going to be able to do as a guy who cant carry a full load and nothing around him. JOhnson had good OL, decent D, okay QB and great coach. Spiller has none of these. They should have traded down instead with so many needs
SL: Only if true that Cleveland offered so much. I am good with the pick but it will depend on what was offered. Another team that could have used 7 picks in first 3 rounds of this draft in the end.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I don't mind missing out on this year's QB class, and I'm pleased the Bills didn't spend the #9 pick on Clausen. If it was up to me, I'd take one of the OT still available at 2.09 and sort the QB situation out later. The Bills are going to be a bad team next year no matter who they draft. I'd rather that they not invest early picks in QBs if they don't believe that any of them are going to be long-term franchise guys.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Jerry Jones in his press conference said that they definitely had to "move ahead of a couple teams" to get Dez. He was clearly talking about Baltimore. I have no doubt that Dallas taking Dez left Baltimore feeling their board was clear and triggered the trade back. I also suspect NE was happy to have Dez out of the conference if they didnt want him themselves.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Dallas had 3 primary targets, Earl Thomas, Mike Iupati and Dez Bryant that they would have (and ultimately did) move up for. They may have liked Aluaha, but not enough to move up to get him. I can't comment on the Pats interest in him.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
I've seen him mock out at 13-14. Even if he was projected to at 20, Birds couldn't have taken him. I love this pick, even with the expectation that everyone else had regarding safety. I am hoping they don't take Mays, but we will see (fearful of Clausen being there).Overall, I would absolutely not rate this as anything other than a great first day for the birds...
...Says the Birds fan.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Lions by a wide margin. Taking into consideration their recent drafts, they did not screw it up and nailed the Best pick.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
The Packers committed a robbery by getting Bulaga at that spot. I can't believe he fell to them.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Agreed. In hindsight, it appears Ozzie was hoping Dez (& maybe Gresham) fell & when he (they) didn't he felt free to move back. He already had Denver on the hook - since Wednesday, according to the Sun - so all he had to do was tighten the screws a little. I'm guessing he's probably got a glob of players all ranked the same now. The Ravens only had 5 picks coming into the draft - now they have 7, including 3 tonight (assuming they don't trade again). I was hoping they'd default to Odrick at 1.25 when Dez went, but Ozzie obviously has something else in mind.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
The Packers, Cowboys, and Jets all got big time values in the late 1st.
FavreCo
Footballguy
The 49ers did exactly what they should have. Beef up that OL and get back to what works for them: Frank Gore.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Agree on the Cowboys and Jets, not so high on the Packers pick. Put in the tape of Bulaga vs. Brandon Graham. He gets eaten alive.
Honda
Footballguy
I'm wondering if that was about the time that he was sick. Early last fall, Bulaga had a "viral infection in his thyroid that caused fatigue, a loss of stamina and an increased heart rate."And Graham is going to eat a lot of tackles alive, even in the NFL.
Of course, because they had two picks...
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
To be honest I hope he was sick at that time, because what I saw from him that day was not a 1st round NFL tackle. While I am super high on Graham and expect a bright future from him, he still shouldnt be able to abuse a 1st round tackle to the degree he did. Beat him here or there, yes. Completely dominate him and make him look silly, no.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Yeah.....then follow that with a tape of the Orange Bowl and watch how eaten alive Bulaga was by Derrick Morgan of GT.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I did not see any real difference makers left at this pick from the defensive side of the ball. Cody is a pure 3-4 nose tackle and would be a bad fit in the Lions defense. The Lions have Suh, Corey Williams, and Sammie Hill at DT so that was not a need anyways. A game breaking RB was a big need, especially when you consider how tightly covered Calvin was last year. If Kyle Wilson had been there, then I would feel different, but once he was gone, the defensive players still available were not difference makers. I think Best is a big time difference maker and he will make defenses pay that try to double (or triple) Calvin. Yeah, they could have drafted a RB in round 3 or traded for Lynch, but none of those players would put fear in a defense like Best will. They would not have forced defenses to take notice. Best will. That's what 4.35 speed does and I think defensive coordinators will have their hands full with the Lions offense. When Best is on the field, defenses have to pay attention to him or he will take it to the house and that is the big difference between Best and the other RBs who were available.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
My 2 cent opinion.
Winners....most of the teams so far.
-San Fran....especially if they get McCoy now in the 2nd round.
-Denver....yes, I go against the grain on this one. McDaniels will mold Tebow into a NFL QB and they will win.
-Packers, Cowboys, Dolphins, Jets, Colts.....Looks like they got value to me. Time will tell.
Losers....
-Jags.....Huh?
-Pats.....I'm a believer that the front seven decide things on defense. NE allowed Odrick, Hughes, and Kindle to pass for a CB. I don't agree with the decision.
Winners....most of the teams so far.
-San Fran....especially if they get McCoy now in the 2nd round.
-Denver....yes, I go against the grain on this one. McDaniels will mold Tebow into a NFL QB and they will win.
-Packers, Cowboys, Dolphins, Jets, Colts.....Looks like they got value to me. Time will tell.
Losers....
-Jags.....Huh?
-Pats.....I'm a believer that the front seven decide things on defense. NE allowed Odrick, Hughes, and Kindle to pass for a CB. I don't agree with the decision.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Relax guy. It was one game. Should we be saying the same about the DE from GT who was taken before Bulaga?
