As most here, I am always looking for a good shark move. The current rushing situation with the Jets seems to be very negative with Shonn Greene. He has had all the opportunity in the world and hasn't produced. Is it time to get a jump on the competition and add Powell? My 2 fantasy teams are good enough that I have a very low chance of getting him if he breaks out or if news of a change is possible. Some news from any NY homers would be great!
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Bilal Powell RB Jets (1 Viewer)
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Casting Couch
Footballguy
I don't know why anyone would hesitate to add him to a roster. After he breaks out, it will be too late. Add now.
Oddly, he was picked up this week in two separate leagues of mine (both 12 teamers). Asked one guy why he did it, and he just said speculation. He and I are both Jets' fans and while the run game has stunk, I don't see how Powell is going to be any better than the three ahead of him.
brednbuddah
Footballguy
eh, I think McKnight is next in the Jets RB pecking order.
heard him being interviewed on WFAN and apparently he's back in westhoff's good graces after getting that blocked punt against Dallas. It's his first step towards getting more involved in the offense.
heard him being interviewed on WFAN and apparently he's back in westhoff's good graces after getting that blocked punt against Dallas. It's his first step towards getting more involved in the offense.
Young 8
Footballguy
Because there's a good chance he'll play his first snap only in week 17
Casting Couch
Footballguy
I am looking at this question through a longer term dynasty league perspective. If this is a redraft question, then it makes things a bit more cloudy.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Can he block for himself?
Keep them coming! From what I have read in regards to McKnight, he is not the complete package that Powell is. Obviously, Tomlinson does not have it anymore this late in his career to be a #1. So, the question is does Powell leapfrog McKnight if Greene's carries were reduced?
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Awful in preseason = ZERO value?What about Cam Newton?
Also, Powell suffered from lack of OTAs and Mini camps. He looked like he was overthinking when he ran and that's to be expected for a lot of rookies.I also wouldn't say he looked AWFUL in preseason. Not great but he had his moments.Also, recall McKnight was truly horrific in his rookie season. You never know.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
I like Powell to become a relevant player in 2012. Barring injury, I dont think he plays much this season. Next season, LT will probably be gone, and the world will know that Shonn Greene is just another guy. Great dynasty stash, but probably useless in redraft.
Young 8
Footballguy
Cam Newton is the starting QB
Powell is the 4th RB
As I said, barring injuries he has no value in 2011
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Hoss Style
Footballguy
Well, to paraphrase a blurb I read from an article on this site yesterday (couldn't find it again), Powell is the better overall runner than McKnight but the Jets were looking for more of a pass catching back to fill that third RB spot - so they went with McKnight. If it comes down to an "every down" back then they'd go with Powell, probably.
I haven't gotten to see the Jets a lot this year, yet, but that sounds pretty reasonable to me. I picked him up in my keeper league as I had a spot that Deji Kariim was taking up.
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Wanted to add - if the above is true, and the Jets run game has looked so bad, then it seems Powell would get a shot at some point. Worth a shot - even in redraft I think (if you have a open spot on the bench). Often times that "shot" that you take is what makes the difference in your season.
I haven't gotten to see the Jets a lot this year, yet, but that sounds pretty reasonable to me. I picked him up in my keeper league as I had a spot that Deji Kariim was taking up.
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Wanted to add - if the above is true, and the Jets run game has looked so bad, then it seems Powell would get a shot at some point. Worth a shot - even in redraft I think (if you have a open spot on the bench). Often times that "shot" that you take is what makes the difference in your season.
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McKnight is a bigger factor in special teams so he gets activated and Powell doesn't most weeks for now. At some point, if Greene still looks as lethargic as he has this year so far, you might see both of them get some looks.Powell is a deep roster stash for this year, a hail mary in redraft. Next year or two though I think he's going to be money in the bank.
jwb
Footballguy
I think Powell is likely the 2nd RB when it comes to a lead back, though.This isn't saying he's good, but if Greene remains ineffective, Powell is likely going to get a chance to be the 1st/2nd down back.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Interesting. Well, he's on my bench now. Like I said, Deji was just taking up space. I'm going to hold him there as long as I can (hope my team doesn't get the injury bug). I'm going to hop on NFL Rewind and watch the Jets and see how bad the run game actually looks. Maybe he shows me something at the end of the year that makes me designate him as a "keeper"? We'll see. Thanks for the info.
I guess this is my point. Greene has looked very pedestrian in the first 2 games of the year. I think saying Powell is a #4 RB on the team is misleading. The 2 backs immediately in front of him may be of limited value. Tomlinson is not the long term answer at #1. He is a bit player now. McKnight supposedly also has a part to play in the offense and supposedly is a lesser talent than Powelll. Is it possible Powell is in the "Torrain" position this year minus the practice squad placement. Does McKnight = K. Williiams from last year?As to Isaac Redman, he is a talent but I think he is really limited to being a backup. I don't see him supplanting Mendenhall unless there is an injury. Hence, he looks more like a protection pickup for a Mendy owner more than a pickup who will entirely supplant the current #1. If anyone has more info on the possibility of Redman taking over as lead back, please put it out here. He is also available in both my leagues. Greene looks wobbly as a starter. Mendenhall less so, at least to me.
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sdp1226
Footballguy
Is he worth a shot to stash on your roster over other RBs that might be available like DeMarco Murray or Isaac Redman?
az_prof
Footballguy
He is worth a stash. I noticed the OP had two PKs and two DTs. He is easily more valuable than a second Dt or PK in most cases. Part of it depends on how deep your rosters go.I agree that McKnight will get a shot first, but that doesn't mean he run with it or that a future time share between him and Powell might not develop. He obviously has value in dynasty and keeper, but he may have value in redraft. Although he is officially fourth string, the situation in NY could be more fluid because the RB1 is not looking strong, the RB2 is old, and the RB3 is almost as unproven as the RB4. In this situation, both McKnight and Powell are worth owning. An injury or a change in depth chart could throw things into confusion quickly, and once that happens the value of the player (and FA availability) can change quickly. If you have roster room, act now. It's a bit like buying a lottery ticket. It most likely won't amount to much, but I would much rather have either McKnight or Powell than an extra kicker or DT, or a third TE. If the lottery pays off you could have a very valuable player down the stretch.
Shutout
Footballguy
I do not think it will happen soon but I think what the Jets are growing into is a situation where they want to be a "ground and pound" team as they say but if Greene is not the answer, and as Sanchez continues to develop, they may shift away from that and McKnight may be the more valuable player.
I can really see a scenario develop to where they look much more like the New York Giants in offense than the Pittsburgh Steelers.
I can really see a scenario develop to where they look much more like the New York Giants in offense than the Pittsburgh Steelers.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
He is my #1 choice out of the later round RB's to emerge this year. Greene is nothing special and LT is on his last legs and will be cooked by midseason. McKnight is solid, but he won't be carrying the load.
For the price he is going for right now, he is a guy I have targeted in both redraft and dynasty leagues.
Don't let the preseason stuff concern you. It was a shortened preseason that hurt the rookies big time. The talent is there.
For the price he is going for right now, he is a guy I have targeted in both redraft and dynasty leagues.
Don't let the preseason stuff concern you. It was a shortened preseason that hurt the rookies big time. The talent is there.
Unfortunately, this league requires 2 PKs, 2 TEs and 2 DEF/ST be rostered. I have tried to get the rules changed but no go. People don't like change!
Rovers
Footballguy
This. The problem with Powell, Greene and the Jets rushing attack is not so much that these RB's are bad, but the Jets O line is a shell of it's former self. Now Mangold is hurt too. Ducasse's development is behind schedule. Turner is out. The Jets O line just can't run block the way it used to. If Greene has one good game, trade high. If Greene gets hurt, it will be a 3 headed monster at RB. Even Connor could snatch some carries.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Is Powell available in anyone's dynasty league right now?
Why? Seems like a pretty even keeled thread. Some say they think he'll have some value late in the season. Some say he's dynasty only. Some say they don't love what they see.Whats to bump?
The Hank
Footballguy
Steelers'Deaddawg said:
here,Redman, although still a back up for the Steelers, has the looks to be a potential starting RB in the NFL. Last week was the 1st week I saw where they brought him in and it wasnt a goal line/3rd and short situation. He looked very good in relief of Mendenhall receiving regular carries for a drive. He reminds me of a Bettis type running, knocking over guys and having a low center of gravity which makes him hard to tackle. This may be a full blown RBBC in 2012-13, around Mendenhall's contract year.If I had a roster spot to burn and he was available I would definitely pick him up in a heartbeat. He has much more value than the Deji Karim's, LT, Montario Hardesty's out there and his value is just shy of the Jonathon Stewart's and Reggie Bush's of the world dynasty-wise.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I see the situation where Powell would leapfrog McKnight if Greene were demoted or hurt.
What gets me is if Greene is not hurt, what is the scenario here? That he keeps up the current 26 for 76 or so pace he's on right now and they just decide they can't take it anymore?
I have Powell on a list of deep RB sleepers (probably like a lot of people) but guys like Carter seems like a better bet to take over and others like Hunter seem like a better shot at stepping in for an injured RB1.
What gets me is if Greene is not hurt, what is the scenario here? That he keeps up the current 26 for 76 or so pace he's on right now and they just decide they can't take it anymore?
I have Powell on a list of deep RB sleepers (probably like a lot of people) but guys like Carter seems like a better bet to take over and others like Hunter seem like a better shot at stepping in for an injured RB1.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Thank you, I am in one deep league and I might just do that. Have been trying to gauge whether he might get more chances this year in games other than blowouts.Steelers'Deaddawg said:
If I had a roster spot to burn and he was available I would definitely pick him up in a heartbeat. He has much more value than the Deji Karim's, LT, Montario Hardesty's out there and his value is just shy of the Jonathon Stewart's and Reggie Bush's of the world dynasty-wise.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Not sure. I'd have researched it if either of those were available.'sdp1226 said:
16 team league and most of the owners hoard RBs like bees hoard pollen.*Edit*
If you were seriously asking - I'd take Redman over Powell. I actually had Redman last year because I thought he might start to take over. Had to drop him because of injuries to my team, though, and someone snagged him in this year's draft. Murray? I'm not sure.
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The Hank
Footballguy
Generally, whenever Mendenhall is flirting with the 100-125 yds mark they start to bring in Redman/MeMoore to get extra reps.Redman has a knack of gaining the extra 2-3 yds whenever he has to and is pretty clutch. Also, dont be surprised to see him on more GL situations after Mendenhall had around 5 yds on 6 carries inside the Seahawks 5 yd line.Thank you, I am in one deep league and I might just do that. Have been trying to gauge whether he might get more chances this year in games other than blowouts.Steelers'Deaddawg said:
If I had a roster spot to burn and he was available I would definitely pick him up in a heartbeat. He has much more value than the Deji Karim's, LT, Montario Hardesty's out there and his value is just shy of the Jonathon Stewart's and Reggie Bush's of the world dynasty-wise.
griff321
Footballguy
Thanks for chiming in here Rovers. Always love your Jets takes. You've steered me right for more then a few seasons.I lost Charles this week, so I had a roster spot to churn. Helu went for more then I bid(like a bit over 35% of the budget and I hate Shanny) so I ended up with Powell for like 3% on the advice of Bloom on the audible. I think his only logic to pick up Bilal was, Shonn suxzors. In hindsight I'm not loving the move and I'm not sure why I didn't look a bit closer at the situation with that outstanding analysis. Eh we all have our sheep moments. Redman is there and I may just take the hit and replace Powell for him.
stp-d
Footballguy
I tried to deal for him in Dynasty, so far one guy wants a 1st rd pick, the other guy wants a #2WR, so there is extreme love for the guy. He's gotta beat out Greene, Tomlinson & McKnight this year, and Mcknight, when given the opportunity has been the real deal, so there is a long road ahead and his price is just to high for me.
eakfootball
Footballguy
I think he is the running back of the future for the jets. And he didn't look awful in the presaeson, stats can lie. Grab Powell now as he will emerge during the last few weeks/postseason and be next years James Starks.
njherdfan
Footballguy
As a huge Jets , I am of the opinion that the failure of the Jets running game so far this year has been entirely the fault of the Jets offensive line, specifically Wayne Hunter, their new right tackle. (If you want to read my thoughts about him you can check out my blog) I honestly think Hunter has been the worst offensive lineman in the NFL through the first 2 games.
This is a roundabout way of saying that the problem with the Jets running game probably won't be solved by plugging in Powell. While Greene isn't a great talent, he's not bad either, and I don't see the coaching staff making any reactionary moves here. If the Jets OL starts to improve as the season goes on then Powell is well worth a speculative add because he might very well pass McKnight, but I can't see any Jet RB doing particularly well over the next 3 weeks (Oak, Bal, NE)
, I am of the opinion that the failure of the Jets running game so far this year has been entirely the fault of the Jets offensive line, specifically Wayne Hunter, their new right tackle. (If you want to read my thoughts about him you can check out my blog) I honestly think Hunter has been the worst offensive lineman in the NFL through the first 2 games.This is a roundabout way of saying that the problem with the Jets running game probably won't be solved by plugging in Powell. While Greene isn't a great talent, he's not bad either, and I don't see the coaching staff making any reactionary moves here. If the Jets OL starts to improve as the season goes on then Powell is well worth a speculative add because he might very well pass McKnight, but I can't see any Jet RB doing particularly well over the next 3 weeks (Oak, Bal, NE)
All of this bodes well for the time-line of a potential Powell takeover.As a huge Jets
This is a roundabout way of saying that the problem with the Jets running game probably won't be solved by plugging in Powell. While Greene isn't a great talent, he's not bad either, and I don't see the coaching staff making any reactionary moves here. If the Jets OL starts to improve as the season goes on then Powell is well worth a speculative add because he might very well pass McKnight, but I can't see any Jet RB doing particularly well over the next 3 weeks (Oak, Bal, NE)
Rovers
Footballguy
Pretty much what I was trying to say, but you said it more succinctly. Hunter has been a poor replacement, and the loss of Turner is larger than most non Jet fans know. Ducasse has not been developing, and now Mangold is out, maybe for 2 weeks.As a huge Jets
This is a roundabout way of saying that the problem with the Jets running game probably won't be solved by plugging in Powell. While Greene isn't a great talent, he's not bad either, and I don't see the coaching staff making any reactionary moves here. If the Jets OL starts to improve as the season goes on then Powell is well worth a speculative add because he might very well pass McKnight, but I can't see any Jet RB doing particularly well over the next 3 weeks (Oak, Bal, NE)
The Jets rushing attack was always fueled by a great O line, not by great RB's (post C Martin era). I don't think Hunter has been as awful as you do, but agree that he has been pretty bad.
McKnight will never (IMO) be a workhorse back, he's more like a Sproles light. So yes, Powell has the better FF upside, but I think much more so in a dynasty format rather than this year. I'll say it again... behind this O line, if Greene has ONE good game, sell high. The Jets don't have the O line to run Ryan's ground and pound anymore. In fact, I think it may be the passing game that might open the running game up late in games, IF the Jets can get a lead on Sanchez's arm first. Big IF... but you saw what the Jets did in week one. They went pass happy.
I could in fact see Greene see a big reduction in carries, with both McKnight and Tomlinson getting as many touches, but with receptions, not carries. Overall, I see the Jets running a lot less than they have in years past. More putlet passes, fewer carries, and Greene is not a good reciever.
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Ghost of Bill Walsh
Footballguy
I'm kicking myself for even drafting Greene in my money league but I was fooled into believing Rex that they're running the ball this year. Greene just looks like he has no talent and now his O-line is in shambles. The Jets running game is a pure 
Unless he busts loose against the Raiders, he sits in favor of Daniel Thomas & D. McFadden, I'll be searching the WW next week for his replacement and it won't be any of the other Jet RB's.
Unless he busts loose against the Raiders, he sits in favor of Daniel Thomas & D. McFadden, I'll be searching the WW next week for his replacement and it won't be any of the other Jet RB's.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
I said this earlier, but in all honesty, the Jets run blocking is awful right now and is about to get a worse now that Baxter has to fill in for Mangold. They will be airing it out this week unless the line picks it up.
but airing it out is not the same as completing passes....When will Jets management pull the plug on the greene experiment. And the o-line......how good is the raiders o-line....they need a back with wiggle and vision...Powell
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ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
He might have vision, but "wiggle" is a trait he definitely does NOT have. Still, he could outproduce Greene because he is one cut a go runner...
stronger88
Footballguy
Powell is inactive this week vs. the Patriots.
Was Powell active against the Dolphins on Monday night? I've been studying the schedule of opponents and their ability against the run, and the Jets have a very favorable schedule for RBs remaining. I've seen and read a lot about how SGreene just isn't the answer at RB for the Jets, nor is LT2. Thus, a speculative add of Powell (which Lammey and Bloom) have been suggesting for awhile now seems like a reasonable risk for leagues with the roster space. Personally, I'd like to at least see him active before I can drop someone for him.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Not active against MIA
Rovers
Footballguy
I'll bump it for you. This week Tomlinson gets the start. You never said what your opinion was, only that you would bump this thread. No Jet is worthy of being a #3 FF player. Maybe Keller...
