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Cowher was not the reason they lost today! Sure, last week he coached a terrible game, today was not his fault!
Who do you replace him with?
You're kidding right? He wouldn't last ten minutes on the street. He's a great coach.
I don't think the original poster is capable of that.
There are a dozen teams that would kill to take Cowher off your hands.J Look, no team can always be on top. I realize Cowher hasn't won a SB. But how many other teams also haven't won a SB in the 14 years Cowher has coached the Steelers? How about 22 teams. And how many of those teams have won their division less than the eight times that Cowher has with Pittsburgh? Or how many have been to the AFC Championship game less than the 5 that Cowher has? I'm guessing that the majority of fans in the majority of NFL cities would love to have Bill Cowher be their head coach. So please stop your whining just because the Steelers haven't won a Super Bowl under Cowher.absolutely not fishing here..i have called for him to leave Pitt for three years now and am sure I am 100% right. He is just not the guy for that job anymore..his way of coaching has been worn out in Pitt for a few years now and the players just don't play for him anymore. All he can do is coach defense and that D was made a fool of today once again. What has he ever won in Pitt? He has never once won the big game and will never do it. Rah rah rah physical can only get you so far. Its all about the X's and O's now and he just does not have it in that department. He has had great teams and not done anything with them..he has had great players and done nothing with them but let them go in free agency. Sure its not all his fault but you can bet if he wanted to keep more of the stars he has lost they would still be in Pitt. If you Pitt fans don't realize that Cowher is a lame duck coach there then you will never win anything. Until he is gone it will never get any better than it is right now in Pitt. Deal with it cause its FACT. A change of head coahing is needed in Pitt bigtime.
today was a BIG game..Pitt is OUT of the playoffs this year..the afc championship @home vs the pats as 10 point cant lose favorites was a big game..the superbowl that he got killed in was a big game..it just goes on and on..you need to firgure out what big games are before you talk.Yeah, neither of those back-to-back games against undefeated teams last year were big games.
Look, no team can always be on top. I realize Cowher hasn't won a SB. But how many other teams also haven't won a SB in the 14 years Cowher has coached the Steelers? How about 22 teams. And how many of those teams have won their division less than the eight times that Cowher has with Pittsburgh? Or how many have been to the AFC Championship game less than the 5 that Cowher has? I'm guessing that the majority of fans in the majority of NFL cities would love to have Bill Cowher be their head coach.
So please stop your whining just because the Steelers haven't won a Super Bowl under Cowher.
First, if the Steelers win their last 4 games, all winnable games, they may or may not be out of the playoffs. What they likely lost today is a home playoff game. That doesn't change the fact that today was definitely a big game, but Cowher isn't the one who forced passes into coverage and he's not the one who played terrible defense.Second, the Patriots were better than the Steelers in both AFCC games. The betting line is just a reflection of how the public will throw their money.today was a BIG game..Pitt is OUT of the playoffs this year..the afc championship @home vs the pats as 10 point cant lose favorites was a big game..the superbowl that he got killed in was a big game..it just goes on and on..you need to firgure out what big games are before you talk.Yeah, neither of those back-to-back games against undefeated teams last year were big games.
Look, no team can always be on top. I realize Cowher hasn't won a SB. But how many other teams also haven't won a SB in the 14 years Cowher has coached the Steelers? How about 22 teams. And how many of those teams have won their division less than the eight times that Cowher has with Pittsburgh? Or how many have been to the AFC Championship game less than the 5 that Cowher has? I'm guessing that the majority of fans in the majority of NFL cities would love to have Bill Cowher be their head coach.
So please stop your whining just because the Steelers haven't won a Super Bowl under Cowher.
Considering how poorly the Steelers have played the last three weeks, is it realistic to expect that they will suddenly win 4 in a row?
I see. So Cowher gets all of the credit when they win, but when they lose, the players take all of the blame?
That is not entirely true. In 2001, the Steelers were a better team, but special teams put them in a hole they could not get out of.
Yes, they can win their next 4 games. They lost in OT with Maddox at QB, and they've lost to the Colts and in a tight game against the Bengals. I agree, if they turn it over 4 times every week they won't win out, but the last 4 games are definitely winnable games.No, players get the credit and the blame. At least they should. All Cowher and his staff can do is put them in a position to succeed, but the players have to execute it.
Bump for Shark Attack.
The Patriots were not the better team in 2001. The Steelers were the team with the Great D. The Patriots had a bend but dont break D. Tom Brady was no where near the player he is now and got knocked out in the 1st half. I am still amazed, but grateful, that the Steelers gave that game away to the PATS.
Of course, the Steelers last four games are winnable, but the way they are playing right now, I am not giving them much of a chance to do so. Today's loss probably cost them a playoff berth. Yes, the players have to execute, but I have seen far too many Pittsburgh game plans with little imagination. Cowher seems to take this "we are going to do the same thing every game and you have to stop us" attitude, but eventually, teams will find ways to beat them and that is what seems to happened a lot in big games.
O'Donnell
How do you go from being an extremely accurate QB to throwing right to Larry Brown???? :rantover:
kupcho, i don't follow penn too much, but didn't joepa turn over a lot more responsibilities to the o-coordinator which could account for some of the success?It suits this week's argument better that history be revised.
I'd stick around, but I had typed up this long post about running Paterno out of town on a rail, and the ******* goes and has a good season.
You obviously did not watch that Superbowl or take a look at the game stats! Except for the Cowboys 1st drive, the Steelers defense dominated the high powered Cowboys offense. You can't fire a coach 1 season removed from a 15-1 season without having a top notch replacement in mind and this yr I don't see any.today was a BIG game..Pitt is OUT of the playoffs this year..the afc championship @home vs the pats as 10 point cant lose favorites was a big game..the superbowl that he got killed in was a big game..it just goes on and on..you need to firgure out what big games are before you talk.Yeah, neither of those back-to-back games against undefeated teams last year were big games.
Look, no team can always be on top. I realize Cowher hasn't won a SB. But how many other teams also haven't won a SB in the 14 years Cowher has coached the Steelers? How about 22 teams. And how many of those teams have won their division less than the eight times that Cowher has with Pittsburgh? Or how many have been to the AFC Championship game less than the 5 that Cowher has? I'm guessing that the majority of fans in the majority of NFL cities would love to have Bill Cowher be their head coach.
So please stop your whining just because the Steelers haven't won a Super Bowl under Cowher.
Please define "big game". I suspect it means any game the Steelers lose. If I'm wrong, please give me your definition. Then we can discuss the issue intelligently.If you define "big game" to mean Super Bowl, you're right, he hasn't won a big game (of course, there are more than 20 other coaches out there who suffer from the same problem). However, if that is your definition, then yesterday was not a "big game". If your definition is "a game necesssary to move on towards an NFL championship", then Cowher has won lots of big games (as established by plaing in AFC Championship games and the Super Bowl).absolutely not fishing here..i have called for him to leave Pitt for three years now and am sure I am 100% right. He is just not the guy for that job anymore..his way of coaching has been worn out in Pitt for a few years now and the players just don't play for him anymore. All he can do is coach defense and that D was made a fool of today once again. What has he ever won in Pitt? He has never once won the big game and will never do it. Rah rah rah physical can only get you so far. Its all about the X's and O's now and he just does not have it in that department. He has had great teams and not done anything with them..he has had great players and done nothing with them but let them go in free agency. Sure its not all his fault but you can bet if he wanted to keep more of the stars he has lost they would still be in Pitt. If you Pitt fans don't realize that Cowher is a lame duck coach there then you will never win anything. Until he is gone it will never get any better than it is right now in Pitt. Deal with it cause its FACT. A change of head coahing is needed in Pitt bigtime.
Since he started coaching they've lost some of the better(not necessarily greatest but better) Steelers of all time
awson, the Steelers second incredible center.Rod Woodson-HOF no doubtCarnell Lake-loved that guyBarry Foster-excellent back for a brief timehttp://www.profootballreference.com/teams/pit1992.htmYancey Thigpen(1300 yard WR) gone because they don't pay him big $. There other WRs at the time were 
Neil O'Donnell, Jets pay him big $Eric Green(like it or not) is still one of the most talented TEs they've ever hadGreg Lloyd, geesh was he a beast. He was on his way to the HOFKendrell Bell, KCHardy Nickerson(I'd consider voting for him for HOF if I had a vote)Kirkland was a giant at LBerIIRC Kevin Green or Gildon are 1st and 2nd in sacks in that team's awesome defensive history. Both gone.Didn't Searcy go to Baltimore?not sureI probably named a small small portion too.There isn't a coach in the NFL as resillient as Cowher. IMO you should be "on" the front office for that and be thrilled ya still got him. I'd figure most coaches would leave if they watched that many great players walk.
Seriously, if y'all really want to get rid of Cowher, please, please, PLEASE let Matt Millen hire him.Of course, I think Rooney is smarter than that.Oh, I'd freakin' LOVE having Cowher in Detroit...*sigh* But this is Matt Millen still calling the shots, so we'll see the 14th coming of Jerry Glanville or something next year...
Did they do the same thing yesterday with Roethlisberger throwing for almost 400 yards?People just love to beat up on Cowher for some reason. If he coaches conservatively, you get the "he doesn't have any imagination" comments. When he does something bold to try to shake things up, like the onside kick to start the second half against Indy, then you get the "that was a bonehead move" comments. Fact of the matter is, there are about 28 teams in this league that would love to have Cowher as their coach; he's not going anywhere. I have no idea where people get off saying the team "doesn't play for him anymore" - that's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.Ghost Rider, at least you try to make an argument, and I respect your point-of-view, even if I disagree. Ridiculous comments like those made by shark attack belong in their own forum. If yesterday was a big game (it was) since it likely decided the division title, then wouldn't other games in years past that decided the division crown also have been big games? Seeing as the Steelers have won 8 or 9 division championships in Cowher's 14 years as coach, then I guess he has won a few "big games" here and there, huh?
Cowher isn't going anywhere. The Rooney family is extremely happy with him and the organization. They are the reasons for many free agents leaving. I am not sure that any coach could change the way the Rooney's run the team and handle free agents/contracts.Cowher has not been able to get this team over the hump and sure that isn't good, but as someone else said earlier if you remove a guy with Cowher's resume you had better have a top notch replacement and I can't think of a better option out there.Seriously, if y'all really want to get rid of Cowher, please, please, PLEASE let Matt Millen hire him.Of course, I think Rooney is smarter than that.Oh, I'd freakin' LOVE having Cowher in Detroit...*sigh* But this is Matt Millen still calling the shots, so we'll see the 14th coming of Jerry Glanville or something next year...
But how many of those guys continued to play at a high level AFTER they left the Steelers? Woodson and Nickerson? The rest were at the end of their careers and gave very little to the teams that agreed to pay them big bucks. If you don't let guys go when they're done, you end up like Tennessee.Since he started coaching they've lost some of the better(not necessarily greatest but better) Steelers of all time
Rod Woodson-HOF no doubt
Carnell Lake-loved that guy
Barry Foster-excellent back for a brief time
http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/pit1992.htm
Yancey Thigpen(1300 yard WR) gone because they don't pay him big $. There other WRs at the time were
Neil O'Donnell, Jets pay him big $
Eric Green(like it or not) is still one of the most talented TEs they've ever had
Greg Lloyd, geesh was he a beast. He was on his way to the HOF
Kendrell Bell, KC
Hardy Nickerson(I'd consider voting for him for HOF if I had a vote)
Kirkland was a giant at LBer
IIRC Kevin Green or Gildon are 1st and 2nd in sacks in that team's awesome defensive history. Both gone.
Didn't Searcy go to Baltimore?not sure
I probably named a small small portion too.
There isn't a coach in the NFL as resillient as Cowher. IMO you should be "on" the front office for that and be thrilled ya still got him. I'd figure most coaches would leave if they watched that many great players walk.
Barring a major meltdown or any catastrophic injury, no way, NO WAY do they let him go. Everyone who watches the Steelers who can remember back to Bradshaw knows the pain of constantly rotating bad/mediocre QBs -- I'd bet my paycheck that they will resign him long term. likely before his current deal expires.
Agreed. Roethlisberger has all the tools, his only problem is he has a little too much of that Favre-ish "maverick" quality in him, where he tries to force the ball downfield to make a play rather than just throwing it away. This leads to mistakes. When you consider he's only been playing QB for 4 years, you have to imagine that will get better, even if it never completely goes away. That alone will put him in the upper echelon of NFL QBs - no way the Steelers will let him walk unless he regresses horribly. Already, after only a season or so worth of starts, he's the best QB we've had since Bradshaw.
Oh, I see, so we need to replace him with a coach that wins EVERY big game. Care to make out a list of those candidates? Of course, it should only include coaches who have won the Super Bowl and never lost a playoff game, because those are big games, and we don't want another guy in here who can't win big games..As for the 2 games you mentioned, was it really coaching that allowed for a punt return and a blocked field goal return for 2 TDs? And was it coaching that caused Neil O'Donnell to throw 2 passes right at Larry Brown?today was a BIG game..Pitt is OUT of the playoffs this year..the afc championship @home vs the pats as 10 point cant lose favorites was a big game..the superbowl that he got killed in was a big game..it just goes on and on..you need to firgure out what big games are before you talk.Yeah, neither of those back-to-back games against undefeated teams last year were big games.
Look, no team can always be on top. I realize Cowher hasn't won a SB. But how many other teams also haven't won a SB in the 14 years Cowher has coached the Steelers? How about 22 teams. And how many of those teams have won their division less than the eight times that Cowher has with Pittsburgh? Or how many have been to the AFC Championship game less than the 5 that Cowher has? I'm guessing that the majority of fans in the majority of NFL cities would love to have Bill Cowher be their head coach.
So please stop your whining just because the Steelers haven't won a Super Bowl under Cowher.
