Bill Parcells (1 Viewer)

[Teezee]

While this year's Dallas Cowboys are running through the league and look like they are a Super Bowl front runner, I can't help but think that Bill Parcells' fingerprints are all over this team. Talk about leaving something in better shape then when you found it. He built this team from the ground up and now he is trying to put the Miami Dolphins on the map. Even when Bill Belichick, a Parcells disciple, won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years, it was Parcells that set the foundation for them to succeed. Without Parcells, Belichick would have never been able to accomplish those feats. Below is a glimpse of Parcells' most recent resume littered with Pro Bowl players. (Excluding the Miami Dolphins and the New York Giants.)

2005 Dallas Cowboys

Round 1: Demarcus Ware

Round 2: Marcus Spears

Round 4: Marion Barber

2004 Dallas Cowboys

Round 2: Julius Jones

Round 7: Patrick Crayton

2003 Dallas Cowboys

Round 1: Terrence Newman CB

Round 3: Jason Witten TE

Signed Tony Romo as undrafted free agent

1999 NY Jets

Round 2: Randy Thomas G

1998 NY Jets

Round 4: Jason Fabini OT

1997 NY Jets

Round 1: James Farrior LB

1996 NE Patriots

Round 1: Terry Glenn WR (owner Robert Kraft overrides Parcells and tells him to draft Glenn)

Round 2: Lawyer Milloy S

Round 3: Tedy Bruschi LB

1995 NE Patriots

Round 1: Ty Law CB

Round 2: Ted Johnson LB

Round 3: Curtis Martin RB

1994 NE Patriots

Round 1: Willie McGinest DE

1993 NE Patriots

Round 1: Drew Bledsoe QB

Round 2: Chris Slade LB

Round 8: Troy Brown WR

Wow.

 

[1970's Oakland Raiders Secondary]

If you only highlight some rounds like that, I can make a lot of coaches look like a genius.

 

[awesomeness]

So all the draft picks you dont mention are misses?

 

[Teezee]

Lol. Tough crowd.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Round 1: Bobby Carpenter

 

[the rover]

If you only highlight some rounds like that, I can make a lot of coaches look like a genius.

Do it with Matt Millen.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

If you only highlight some rounds like that, I can make a lot of coaches look like a genius.

Do it with Matt Millen.

 

[Teezee]

I'm not saying Parcells is bulletproof, neither was Bill Walsh. But much like baseball where getting a hit 30% of the time is considered successful, evaluating talent is not an easy thing to do. The thing I wanted to point out most was that even though Parcells had some misses, he made up for it by drafting impact players that had very long careers. Finding talent is one thing. The average shelf life for an NFL player is not very long. But finding talent with longevity is another. He got a hold of a lot players that were critical to those teams' success.

Also, drafting the talent is only half the battle. Developing the talent is the tougher thing to do. Most teams can draft the talent but have no clue on how to develop the players to their strengths. Parcells would often get the most out of average talent as well.

 

[FUBAR]

I'm not saying Parcells is bulletproof, neither was Bill Walsh. But much like baseball where getting a hit 30% of the time is considered successful, evaluating talent is not an easy thing to do. The thing I wanted to point out most was that even though Parcells had some misses, he made up for it by drafting impact players that had very long careers. Finding talent is one thing. The average shelf life for an NFL player is not very long. But finding talent with longevity is another. He got a hold of a lot players that were critical to those teams' success.

Also, drafting the talent is only half the battle. Developing the talent is the tougher thing to do. Most teams can draft the talent but have no clue on how to develop the players to their strengths. Parcells would often get the most out of average talent as well.

this is the key. When your UFAs, 6th and 7th round picks become all-pro type players, I'll give more credit to player development than to drafting. If they knew they would be studs, they wouldn't have let them fall so far.

 

[[scooter]]

If you only highlight some rounds like that, I can make a lot of coaches look like a genius.

Do it with Matt Millen.

 

[awesomeness]

If you only highlight some rounds like that, I can make a lot of coaches look like a genius.

Do it with Matt Millen.

2007 Detroit Lions:Round 1: Calvin Johnson

2006 Detroit Lions:

Round 1: Ernie Sims LB

2004 Detroit Lions:

Round 1: Roy Williams WR

2003 Detroit Lions:

Round 3: Cory Redding DT

2001 Detroit Lions:

Round 1: Jeff Backus OT

Round 2: Dominic Raiola C

Roudn 3: Shaun Rodgers DT

 

[Relentless]

If you only highlight some rounds like that, I can make a lot of coaches look like a genius.

Do it with Matt Millen.

2007 Detroit Lions:Round 1: Calvin Johnson

2006 Detroit Lions:

Round 1: Ernie Sims LB

2004 Detroit Lions:

Round 1: Roy Williams WR

2003 Detroit Lions:

Round 3: Cory Redding DT

2001 Detroit Lions:

Round 1: Jeff Backus OT

Round 2: Dominic Raiola C

Roudn 3: Shaun Rodgers DT

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Tom Coughlin ranks right up there even if he did take RJ Soward in the 1st. The Jaguars wouldn't have made the playoffs last year without Coughlin's players, much less the Giants.

 

[awesomeness]

If you only highlight some rounds like that, I can make a lot of coaches look like a genius.

Do it with Matt Millen.

2007 Detroit Lions:Round 1: Calvin Johnson

2006 Detroit Lions:

Round 1: Ernie Sims LB

2004 Detroit Lions:

Round 1: Roy Williams WR

2003 Detroit Lions:

Round 3: Cory Redding DT

2001 Detroit Lions:

Round 1: Jeff Backus OT

Round 2: Dominic Raiola C

Roudn 3: Shaun Rodgers DT

 

[Relentless]

If you only highlight some rounds like that, I can make a lot of coaches look like a genius.

Do it with Matt Millen.

2007 Detroit Lions:Round 1: Calvin Johnson

2006 Detroit Lions:

Round 1: Ernie Sims LB

2004 Detroit Lions:

Round 1: Roy Williams WR

2003 Detroit Lions:

Round 3: Cory Redding DT

2001 Detroit Lions:

Round 1: Jeff Backus OT

Round 2: Dominic Raiola C

Roudn 3: Shaun Rodgers DT

7 noteworthy draft picks in 7 years?

 

[Bri]

While this year's Dallas Cowboys are running through the league and look like they are a Super Bowl front runner, I can't help but think that Bill Parcells' fingerprints are all over this team. Talk about leaving something in better shape then when you found it. He built this team from the ground up and now he is trying to put the Miami Dolphins on the map.

No doubt, he built a terrific team in Dallas.Shanny and Sean Payton were in a bit of a race to get Tony Romo signed as an undrafted free agent. Payton gets all the credit for Romo.IMO Parcells best qualities are being able to motivate and hiring a quality staff around him.

 

[cubbie5150]

While this year's Dallas Cowboys are running through the league and look like they are a Super Bowl front runner, I can't help but think that Bill Parcells' fingerprints are all over this team. Talk about leaving something in better shape then when you found it. He built this team from the ground up and now he is trying to put the Miami Dolphins on the map.

No doubt, he built a terrific team in Dallas.Shanny and Sean Payton were in a bit of a race to get Tony Romo signed as an undrafted free agent. Payton gets all the credit for Romo.IMO Parcells best qualities are being able to motivate and hiring a quality staff around him.

FWIW, I totally agree. That's what will make him a good executive. I've run into so-called managers & executives in business who get mired down in minutiae (not necessarily "bad"), but utterly lack ability to delegate effectively, and aren't good at surrounding themselves with "quality" people.

 

[Road Warriors]

Parcells is a solid talent evaluator, but if memory serves correctly from his NE years, he is best at evaluating talent on the defensive side of the ball. Few of his success picks were great offensive talents. I though one of his greatest assets was his ability to get the most out of his players, pushing the right buttons to get the player doing what he wanted, and generally getting the team to buy into what he was building.

The team he took over in NE was horrific. It didn't hurt having the #1 overall and getting your franchise QB locked up. But he changed the culture of the organization from a joke to a contending franchise, and taught Kraft a lesson that has served the franchise well over the years, although it was a primary motivator for Parcells to leave the team.

Parcells loves the challenge of turning around awful teams. He did it with NE, NYJ, and while DAL wasn't awful at the time, the 'boys needed something to change the atmosphere. It'll be interesting to see how MIA responds, but I expect a +5/6 win differential this year.

 

[Bankerguy]

Parcells has helped assembled a good team. Honestly though, Jerry Jones gets not near enough credit for putting this team together. In his early days he made tons of mistakes (Hello...Galloway). Jerry has been great at acquiring draft picks and manipulating draft day. Twice acquiring an extra first round pick.

Some of Parcells picks were also busts. Not to mention he wanted Spears over Ware. Jerry trumped him in the war room and then still got Spears at 20 I believe.

Bill deserves credit no doubt, but he also gets vastly "over credited" sometimes.

 

[bucsbaby]

The Miami Dolphins have struggled mightily in recent years. They're one of my fav teams so I watch them a fair amount. I've said for awhile that their #1 problem is their O-Line. Parcells goes there and what does he do? Draft a LT in the 1st round.

The guy knows how to build a team imo.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Even when Bill Belichick, a Parcells disciple, won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years, it was Parcells that set the foundation for them to succeed. Without Parcells, Belichick would have never been able to accomplish those feats.

Round 3: Tedy Bruschi LB

Round 1: Willie McGinest DE

Round 8: Troy Brown WR

These guys were more important foundationally than Law and Milloy, imo.If you take a look at the Pioli/Belichick track record, you can make a more sensational list than the above on what carried the Patriots from 2004-2007, and into the future (Mayo, as a good example).

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

LOL

those jets drafts sure were great, that 1997 after farrior was a complete bust espeically when he could have kept #1 and drafted Orlando Pace

 

[cutter]

Here is a different angle. How many teams would be better off if they had just bagged all of their draft prep and went golfing instead. Then on draft day just listened to Kiper Jr.?

I would definantely throw all of Wandstadt's Dolphins drafts into this category.

 

[Sleehrat]

I think I'd evaluate a player evaluator more by the gems that were drafted in rounds 4-7.

 

[T Bell]

Parcells has helped assembled a good team. Honestly though, Jerry Jones gets not near enough credit for putting this team together. In his early days he made tons of mistakes (Hello...Galloway). Jerry has been great at acquiring draft picks and manipulating draft day. Twice acquiring an extra first round pick.Some of Parcells picks were also busts. Not to mention he wanted Spears over Ware. Jerry trumped him in the war room and then still got Spears at 20 I believe.Bill deserves credit no doubt, but he also gets vastly "over credited" sometimes.

I want to see Jerry after this year, which was the last year that he got the benefit of the work done by Bill or Bill's hires (Ireland; Sparano). I'm not at all convinced that Jerry's suddenly become a talent evaluation genius after so many years of futility, especially when his turnaround meshes so perfectly with Bill's arrival and the construction of his scouting/player evaluation department.

 

[Bankerguy]

Parcells has helped assembled a good team. Honestly though, Jerry Jones gets not near enough credit for putting this team together. In his early days he made tons of mistakes (Hello...Galloway). Jerry has been great at acquiring draft picks and manipulating draft day. Twice acquiring an extra first round pick.Some of Parcells picks were also busts. Not to mention he wanted Spears over Ware. Jerry trumped him in the war room and then still got Spears at 20 I believe.Bill deserves credit no doubt, but he also gets vastly "over credited" sometimes.

I want to see Jerry after this year, which was the last year that he got the benefit of the work done by Bill or Bill's hires (Ireland; Sparano). I'm not at all convinced that Jerry's suddenly become a talent evaluation genius after so many years of futility, especially when his turnaround meshes so perfectly with Bill's arrival and the construction of his scouting/player evaluation department.

Well, I'd say he's off to a good start will with:Felix Jones (Which was widely critized)Martellus Bennett-Looks good and don't believe 100% of the Hard Knocks stuff.Jenkins and Scandrick are players at corner.Tashard Choice was a steal in the 4thIt's still very early admittedly, but this is the most exciting and promising draft we have had in decades.Jerry still gets a bad rap from his past.

 

[culdeus]

I think I'd evaluate a player evaluator more by the gems that were drafted in rounds 4-7.

Nice talking point, but really 4-7 is a total crapshoot. Teams are mostly drafting to fill out rosters and occasionally just fall into some stud. In reality it's 2-4 that have the most value and reflects the most in the scouting dept.

 

[Sleehrat]

I think I'd evaluate a player evaluator more by the gems that were drafted in rounds 4-7.

Nice talking point, but really 4-7 is a total crapshoot. Teams are mostly drafting to fill out rosters and occasionally just fall into some stud. In reality it's 2-4 that have the most value and reflects the most in the scouting dept.

Fair enough, 2-4 is a good compromise. It seems like I hear that round 3 is the real hidden gem round (no data to support this belief).

 

[T Bell]

Parcells has helped assembled a good team. Honestly though, Jerry Jones gets not near enough credit for putting this team together. In his early days he made tons of mistakes (Hello...Galloway). Jerry has been great at acquiring draft picks and manipulating draft day. Twice acquiring an extra first round pick.Some of Parcells picks were also busts. Not to mention he wanted Spears over Ware. Jerry trumped him in the war room and then still got Spears at 20 I believe.Bill deserves credit no doubt, but he also gets vastly "over credited" sometimes.

I want to see Jerry after this year, which was the last year that he got the benefit of the work done by Bill or Bill's hires (Ireland; Sparano). I'm not at all convinced that Jerry's suddenly become a talent evaluation genius after so many years of futility, especially when his turnaround meshes so perfectly with Bill's arrival and the construction of his scouting/player evaluation department.

Well, I'd say he's off to a good start will with:Felix Jones (Which was widely critized)Martellus Bennett-Looks good and don't believe 100% of the Hard Knocks stuff.Jenkins and Scandrick are players at corner.Tashard Choice was a steal in the 4thIt's still very early admittedly, but this is the most exciting and promising draft we have had in decades.Jerry still gets a bad rap from his past.

By this I mean 2009 and beyond. I agree that Jerry appears to have managed this draft well, but he was still relying upon a draft board and player evaluation that was begun by Parcells' guys, Ireland especially, up to the point that they went to the Dolphins. It's not like the Cowboys' evaluation of their draft picks began the day after Ireland departed.

 

[Topes]

Cowboys fan here.

I generally feel Parcells gets a bit too much cred as a talent evaluator. Jacob Rogers? Stephen Peterman?

But, the team is largely of his making, except a few players (TO comes to mind).

Time will tell...

 

[Ridgelake]

The following players were acquired during Tuna's reign in Dallas. Those in Bold are pro bowl players. Those in italics are starters/key role players.

19 Austin, Miles WR 6-3 216 3 Monmouth

24 Barber, Marion RB 6-0 221 4 Minnesota

72 Bowen, Stephen DE 6-5 303 3 Hofstra

57 Burnett, Kevin LB 6-3 227 4 Tennessee

99 Canty, Chris DE 6-7 299 4 Virginia

54 Carpenter, Bobby LB 6-2 248 3 Ohio State

75 Colombo, Marc OT 6-8 315 7 Boston College

84 Crayton, Patrick WR 6-0 205 5 NW Okla State

89 Curtis, Tony TE 6-5 265 3 Portland State

29 Davis, Keith S 5-11 207 6 Sam Houston

97 Hatcher, Jason DE 6-6 298 3 Grambling

42 Henry, Anthony CB 6-1 205 8 South Florida

17 Hurd, Sam WR 6-2 196 3 Northern Illinois

56 James, Bradie LB 6-2 239 6 Louisiana State

14 Johnson, Brad QB 6-5 235 17 Florida State

63 Kosier, Kyle G 6-5 294 7 Arizona State

91 Ladouceur, L.P. LS 6-4 251 4 California

1 McBriar, Mat P 6-1 224 5 Hawaii

77 McQuistan, Pat OT 6-6 311 3 Weber State

41 Newman, Terence CB 5-11 181 6 Kansas State

81 Owens, Terrell WR 6-3 218 13 Tennessee-Chattanooga

71 Procter, Cory C 6-4 297 4 Montana

90 Ratliff, Jay DE 6-4 298 4 Auburn

9 Romo, Tony QB 6-2 224 6 Eastern Illinois

96 Spears, Marcus DE 6-4 305 4 LSU

94 Ware, DeMarcus LB 6-4 252 4 Troy

25 Watkins, Pat S 6-5 208 3 Florida State

82 Witten, Jason

The following players either preceeded Parcells or were brought in by Wade's group.

76 Adams, Flozell OT 6-7 340 11 Michigan State

34 Anderson, Deon FB 5-10 241 1 Connecticut

20 Ball, Alan CB 6-1 176 1 Illinois

80 Bennett, Martellus TE 6-6 252 R Texas A&M

67 Berger, Joe G 6-5 304 4 Michigan Tech

5 Bollinger, Brooks QB 6-1 205 6 Wisconsin

27 Brown, Courtney S 6-1 203 2 Cal Poly

23 Choice, Tashard RB 5-10 215 R Georgia Tech

70 Davis, Leonard G 6-6 354 8 Texas

98 Ellis, Greg LB 6-6 265 11 North Carolina

6 Folk, Nick K 6-1 222 1 Arizona

68 Free, Doug OT 6-6 306 2 Northern Illinois

65 Gurode, Andre C 6-4 316 7 Colorado

26 Hamlin, Ken S 6-2 206 6 Arkansas

64 Holland, Montrae G 6-2 322 6 Florida State

31 Jenkins, Mike CB 5-11 197 R South Florida

95 Johnson, Tank DT 6-3 300 5 Washington

21 Jones, Adam CB 5-10 185 3 West Virginia

28 Jones, Felix RB 5-10 207 R Arkansas

50 Rogers, Justin LB 6-4 250 2 SMU

32 Scandrick, Orlando CB 5-10 192 R Boise State

93 Spencer, Anthony LB 6-3 257 2 Purdue

86 Stanback, Isaiah WR 6-2 208 2 Washington

55 Thomas, Zach LB 5-11 228 13 Texas Tech

38 Williams, Roy S 6-0 225 7 Oklahoma

In looking at this data, Parcells clearly laid a good foundation. But he also seemed to be teaching the organization how to judge talent. There are a number of very successful moves after he left. Things they did not do prior to his arrival. Jerry learned a lot from Tuna.

 

[T Bell]

@ "Wade's group". What's that, calories?

Wade has less pull in the Cowboys front office than I do.

 

[Papa Schnay]

This is where I would chime in and add the Packers to the mix...

Since the new regime has taken over, they've had TONS of hits (in the later rounds as well)

Someone should do them like they did Millen above

 

[Reaper]

LOLthose jets drafts sure were great, that 1997 after farrior was a complete bust espeically when he could have kept #1 and drafted Orlando Pace

Parcells did well with the Jets bringing "His" Fa's over and coaching but his drafts were nediocre. I think the current regime has been much better with drafts...I also think that Passing on Orlando Pace was a lesson learned this year when he stood pat and took Long... What's that about old dogs?