**Bills at Patriots**(+3.5, 36.5) 1:00 (1 Viewer)

[eighsse2]

Are the Patriots sitting their starters? Maye, in particular? And if so why?

Well there's this thing called the NFL draft you see and...

That's not typically a thing teams do, is it? Or have I not been paying attention and this has been happening before? I thought you were forced by "ethics" to play your guys.

Milton 100% should be playing...the only thing that could make this season worse is Maye getting hurt and it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Milton and whether he has a chance to be Maye's future backup.

So is that particular to the final week only? Why not keep Maye healthy and see what you have in Milton the whole time after you're eliminated?

Why would you do that other then the final week when you are eliminated?

I'm saying after you're eliminated. The whole time. Why risk Maye's health or any starters' health ever after you're eliminated?

Because that would be foolish.

Okay. Week 18 is a magical exception.

You need Maye to get actual NFL playing time experience so you don't bench him in week 14.

The season was 14 or fewer games long until 1978.

 

[kyoun1e]

Are the Patriots sitting their starters? Maye, in particular? And if so why?

Well there's this thing called the NFL draft you see and...

That's not typically a thing teams do, is it? Or have I not been paying attention and this has been happening before? I thought you were forced by "ethics" to play your guys.

Milton 100% should be playing...the only thing that could make this season worse is Maye getting hurt and it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Milton and whether he has a chance to be Maye's future backup.

So is that particular to the final week only? Why not keep Maye healthy and see what you have in Milton the whole time after you're eliminated?

Why would you do that other then the final week when you are eliminated?

I'm saying after you're eliminated. The whole time. Why risk Maye's health or any starters' health ever after you're eliminated?

Because that would be foolish.

Okay. Week 18 is a magical exception.

Are you serious or just trolling?

The reasons are beyond obvious.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Milton looks pretty sharp.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Interesting that the Bills gave 2 goal line handoffs to Cook. I expected 3 passes to guys that haven’t had receiving TDs trying to set the record for most players with a receiving TD in NFL history. Seems like the Bills took a stab at trying to have Cook tie up Chase for the TD lead.

Cook also needs 1 for a record, I think.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

"Keon Coleman has been really good" ???
That's what the booth dude said after he catches a ball in the 2nd Half of a meaningless football game for the Buffalo Bills
Has he actually watched Coleman? He's been OK but I wouldn't describe his rookie season as really good

 

[Steve Tasker]

It is kinda funny seeing Trubisky after seeing Allen for so long. There is absolutely zero pop on his throws. No zing whatsoever.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Are the Patriots sitting their starters? Maye, in particular? And if so why?

resting him for the 2031 playoffs

Fixed.

 

[eighsse2]

Are the Patriots sitting their starters? Maye, in particular? And if so why?

Well there's this thing called the NFL draft you see and...

That's not typically a thing teams do, is it? Or have I not been paying attention and this has been happening before? I thought you were forced by "ethics" to play your guys.

Milton 100% should be playing...the only thing that could make this season worse is Maye getting hurt and it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Milton and whether he has a chance to be Maye's future backup.

So is that particular to the final week only? Why not keep Maye healthy and see what you have in Milton the whole time after you're eliminated?

Why would you do that other then the final week when you are eliminated?

I'm saying after you're eliminated. The whole time. Why risk Maye's health or any starters' health ever after you're eliminated?

Because that would be foolish.

Okay. Week 18 is a magical exception.

Are you serious or just trolling?

The reasons are beyond obvious.

Absolutely serious. My point is, how do you distinguish this from tanking? They are resting some starters in a game that will get them the #1 pick if they lose. Why not rest starters in week 17, too? Would that then become tanking?

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

"Keon Coleman has been really good" ???
That's what the booth dude said after he catches a ball in the 2nd Half of a meaningless football game for the Buffalo Bills
Has he actually watched Coleman? He's been OK but I wouldn't describe his rookie season as really good

Yeah, it's definitely been up and down, with some missed games. I'd give him a grade of "I - Incomplete" this year.

 

[The Duff Man]

Bills punt instead of trying a 53 yarder. Happy to let the Pats win this one

 

[Boston]

Are the Patriots sitting their starters? Maye, in particular? And if so why?

Well there's this thing called the NFL draft you see and...

That's not typically a thing teams do, is it? Or have I not been paying attention and this has been happening before? I thought you were forced by "ethics" to play your guys.

Milton 100% should be playing...the only thing that could make this season worse is Maye getting hurt and it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Milton and whether he has a chance to be Maye's future backup.

So is that particular to the final week only? Why not keep Maye healthy and see what you have in Milton the whole time after you're eliminated?

Why would you do that other then the final week when you are eliminated?

I'm saying after you're eliminated. The whole time. Why risk Maye's health or any starters' health ever after you're eliminated?

Because that would be foolish.

Okay. Week 18 is a magical exception.

Are you serious or just trolling?

The reasons are beyond obvious.

Absolutely serious. My point is, how do you distinguish this from tanking? They are resting some starters in a game that will get them the #1 pick if they lose. Why not rest starters in week 17, too? Would that then become tanking?

Doing it in week 17 is tanking...doing it in week 18 in a meaningless game so your franchise QB who has been dinged up this year doesn't get hurt while seeing what your other rookie QB can do is called commonsense.

 

[Steve Tasker]

At what point do we start having a discussion about Cole Bishop? Is he the new Boogie Basham? Another absolute waste of a second round pick?

 

[Deamon]

Bills punt instead of trying a 53 yarder. Happy to let the Pats win this one

Not sure why they would remotely try. This can drop their div rivals huge in draft position

 

[Ministry of Pain]

"Keon Coleman has been really good" ???
That's what the booth dude said after he catches a ball in the 2nd Half of a meaningless football game for the Buffalo Bills
Has he actually watched Coleman? He's been OK but I wouldn't describe his rookie season as really good

Yeah, it's definitely been up and down, with some missed games. I'd give him a grade of "I - Incomplete" this year.

Agreed 100% with that, way too early and missed time to say if he passes/fails right now
I wouldn't be surprised if Buffalo didn't draft another on in the 2nd-3rd-4th again with upside for their system

 

[kyoun1e]

Are the Patriots sitting their starters? Maye, in particular? And if so why?

Well there's this thing called the NFL draft you see and...

That's not typically a thing teams do, is it? Or have I not been paying attention and this has been happening before? I thought you were forced by "ethics" to play your guys.

Milton 100% should be playing...the only thing that could make this season worse is Maye getting hurt and it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Milton and whether he has a chance to be Maye's future backup.

So is that particular to the final week only? Why not keep Maye healthy and see what you have in Milton the whole time after you're eliminated?

Why would you do that other then the final week when you are eliminated?

I'm saying after you're eliminated. The whole time. Why risk Maye's health or any starters' health ever after you're eliminated?

Because that would be foolish.

Okay. Week 18 is a magical exception.

Are you serious or just trolling?

The reasons are beyond obvious.

Absolutely serious. My point is, how do you distinguish this from tanking? They are resting some starters in a game that will get them the #1 pick if they lose. Why not rest starters in week 17, too? Would that then become tanking?

Are the Patriots sitting their starters? Maye, in particular? And if so why?

Well there's this thing called the NFL draft you see and...

That's not typically a thing teams do, is it? Or have I not been paying attention and this has been happening before? I thought you were forced by "ethics" to play your guys.

Milton 100% should be playing...the only thing that could make this season worse is Maye getting hurt and it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Milton and whether he has a chance to be Maye's future backup.

So is that particular to the final week only? Why not keep Maye healthy and see what you have in Milton the whole time after you're eliminated?

Why would you do that other then the final week when you are eliminated?

I'm saying after you're eliminated. The whole time. Why risk Maye's health or any starters' health ever after you're eliminated?

Because that would be foolish.

Okay. Week 18 is a magical exception.

Are you serious or just trolling?

The reasons are beyond obvious.

Absolutely serious. My point is, how do you distinguish this from tanking? They are resting some starters in a game that will get them the #1 pick if they lose. Why not rest starters in week 17, too? Would that then become tanking?

Resting Maye after one series this week makes perfect sense. He's the future, keep him out of harm's way, and evaluate other players for next season.

Last week? Don't think that would send the right message for a team trying to build culture. In addition, it would be a sure sign Mayo/Wolf are gone.

 

[eighsse2]

Are the Patriots sitting their starters? Maye, in particular? And if so why?

Well there's this thing called the NFL draft you see and...

That's not typically a thing teams do, is it? Or have I not been paying attention and this has been happening before? I thought you were forced by "ethics" to play your guys.

Milton 100% should be playing...the only thing that could make this season worse is Maye getting hurt and it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Milton and whether he has a chance to be Maye's future backup.

So is that particular to the final week only? Why not keep Maye healthy and see what you have in Milton the whole time after you're eliminated?

Why would you do that other then the final week when you are eliminated?

I'm saying after you're eliminated. The whole time. Why risk Maye's health or any starters' health ever after you're eliminated?

Because that would be foolish.

Okay. Week 18 is a magical exception.

Are you serious or just trolling?

The reasons are beyond obvious.

Absolutely serious. My point is, how do you distinguish this from tanking? They are resting some starters in a game that will get them the #1 pick if they lose. Why not rest starters in week 17, too? Would that then become tanking?

Doing it in week 17 is tanking...doing it in week 18 in a meaningless game so your franchise QB who has been dinged up this year doesn't get hurt while seeing what your other rookie QB can do is called commonsense.

You call week 18 meaningless. Is week 17 not meaningless if you're eliminated?

Actually, is this because the Bills are also locked into the 2 seed? I.e., if the Bills were playing for something, perhaps they play Maye to not affect the integrity of the league?

 

[Steve Tasker]

"Keon Coleman has been really good" ???
That's what the booth dude said after he catches a ball in the 2nd Half of a meaningless football game for the Buffalo Bills
Has he actually watched Coleman? He's been OK but I wouldn't describe his rookie season as really good

Yeah, it's definitely been up and down, with some missed games. I'd give him a grade of "I - Incomplete" this year.

Agreed 100% with that, way too early and missed time to say if he passes/fails right now
I wouldn't be surprised if Buffalo didn't draft another on in the 2nd-3rd-4th again with upside for their system

Bills have a ton of cap space this upcoming offseason. As much as we all love the "everybody eats" narrative, I think it's almost guaranteed they make a splash move for a receiver in some fashion, either draft or trade.

I think many of us, Bills fans included, forgot that this is a rebuilding year in terms of the cap. They're eating a ton of cap space right now on guys like Diggs, Tre White etc.

 

[eighsse2]

Are the Patriots sitting their starters? Maye, in particular? And if so why?

Well there's this thing called the NFL draft you see and...

That's not typically a thing teams do, is it? Or have I not been paying attention and this has been happening before? I thought you were forced by "ethics" to play your guys.

Milton 100% should be playing...the only thing that could make this season worse is Maye getting hurt and it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Milton and whether he has a chance to be Maye's future backup.

So is that particular to the final week only? Why not keep Maye healthy and see what you have in Milton the whole time after you're eliminated?

Why would you do that other then the final week when you are eliminated?

I'm saying after you're eliminated. The whole time. Why risk Maye's health or any starters' health ever after you're eliminated?

Because that would be foolish.

Okay. Week 18 is a magical exception.

Are you serious or just trolling?

The reasons are beyond obvious.

Absolutely serious. My point is, how do you distinguish this from tanking? They are resting some starters in a game that will get them the #1 pick if they lose. Why not rest starters in week 17, too? Would that then become tanking?

Are the Patriots sitting their starters? Maye, in particular? And if so why?

Well there's this thing called the NFL draft you see and...

That's not typically a thing teams do, is it? Or have I not been paying attention and this has been happening before? I thought you were forced by "ethics" to play your guys.

Milton 100% should be playing...the only thing that could make this season worse is Maye getting hurt and it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Milton and whether he has a chance to be Maye's future backup.

So is that particular to the final week only? Why not keep Maye healthy and see what you have in Milton the whole time after you're eliminated?

Why would you do that other then the final week when you are eliminated?

I'm saying after you're eliminated. The whole time. Why risk Maye's health or any starters' health ever after you're eliminated?

Because that would be foolish.

Okay. Week 18 is a magical exception.

Are you serious or just trolling?

The reasons are beyond obvious.

Absolutely serious. My point is, how do you distinguish this from tanking? They are resting some starters in a game that will get them the #1 pick if they lose. Why not rest starters in week 17, too? Would that then become tanking?

Resting Maye after one series this week makes perfect sense. He's the future, keep him out of harm's way, and evaluate other players for next season.

Last week? Don't think that would send the right message for a team trying to build culture. In addition, it would be a sure sign Mayo/Wolf are gone.

I guess I have no idea what message it would send in week 17 that it wouldn't send in week 18. I'll agree to disagree.

 

[Deamon]

. Seems like the Bills took a stab at trying to have Cook tie up Chase for the TD lead.

Seems pretty meaningless. Why did they run Cook 10 times today for literally nothing?

 

[Boston]

Are the Patriots sitting their starters? Maye, in particular? And if so why?

Well there's this thing called the NFL draft you see and...

That's not typically a thing teams do, is it? Or have I not been paying attention and this has been happening before? I thought you were forced by "ethics" to play your guys.

Milton 100% should be playing...the only thing that could make this season worse is Maye getting hurt and it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Milton and whether he has a chance to be Maye's future backup.

So is that particular to the final week only? Why not keep Maye healthy and see what you have in Milton the whole time after you're eliminated?

Why would you do that other then the final week when you are eliminated?

I'm saying after you're eliminated. The whole time. Why risk Maye's health or any starters' health ever after you're eliminated?

Because that would be foolish.

Okay. Week 18 is a magical exception.

Are you serious or just trolling?

The reasons are beyond obvious.

Absolutely serious. My point is, how do you distinguish this from tanking? They are resting some starters in a game that will get them the #1 pick if they lose. Why not rest starters in week 17, too? Would that then become tanking?

Doing it in week 17 is tanking...doing it in week 18 in a meaningless game so your franchise QB who has been dinged up this year doesn't get hurt while seeing what your other rookie QB can do is called commonsense.

You call week 18 meaningless. Is week 17 not meaningless if you're eliminated?

Actually, is this because the Bills are also locked into the 2 seed? I.e., if the Bills were playing for something, perhaps they play Maye to not affect the integrity of the league?

Gonna have to tap out on this one and just enjoy watching to see if Joe Milton is a potential backup and be happy Drake Maye will be healthy going into next season.

 

[Anarchy99]

"Keon Coleman has been really good" ???
That's what the booth dude said after he catches a ball in the 2nd Half of a meaningless football game for the Buffalo Bills
Has he actually watched Coleman? He's been OK but I wouldn't describe his rookie season as really good

Yeah, it's definitely been up and down, with some missed games. I'd give him a grade of "I - Incomplete" this year.

Agreed 100% with that, way too early and missed time to say if he passes/fails right now
I wouldn't be surprised if Buffalo didn't draft another on in the 2nd-3rd-4th again with upside for their system

Bills have a ton of cap space this upcoming offseason. As much as we all love the "everybody eats" narrative, I think it's almost guaranteed they make a splash move for a receiver in some fashion, either draft or trade.

I think many of us, Bills fans included, forgot that this is a rebuilding year in terms of the cap. They're eating a ton of cap space right now on guys like Diggs, Tre White etc.

Bills have $9 million of cap space, not sure how they can free up more.

 

[kyoun1e]

Are the Patriots sitting their starters? Maye, in particular? And if so why?

Well there's this thing called the NFL draft you see and...

That's not typically a thing teams do, is it? Or have I not been paying attention and this has been happening before? I thought you were forced by "ethics" to play your guys.

Milton 100% should be playing...the only thing that could make this season worse is Maye getting hurt and it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Milton and whether he has a chance to be Maye's future backup.

So is that particular to the final week only? Why not keep Maye healthy and see what you have in Milton the whole time after you're eliminated?

Why would you do that other then the final week when you are eliminated?

I'm saying after you're eliminated. The whole time. Why risk Maye's health or any starters' health ever after you're eliminated?

Because that would be foolish.

Okay. Week 18 is a magical exception.

Are you serious or just trolling?

The reasons are beyond obvious.

Absolutely serious. My point is, how do you distinguish this from tanking? They are resting some starters in a game that will get them the #1 pick if they lose. Why not rest starters in week 17, too? Would that then become tanking?

Doing it in week 17 is tanking...doing it in week 18 in a meaningless game so your franchise QB who has been dinged up this year doesn't get hurt while seeing what your other rookie QB can do is called commonsense.

You call week 18 meaningless. Is week 17 not meaningless if you're eliminated?

Actually, is this because the Bills are also locked into the 2 seed? I.e., if the Bills were playing for something, perhaps they play Maye to not affect the integrity of the league?

Gonna have to tap out on this one and just enjoy watching to see if Joe Milton is a potential backup and be happy Drake Maye will be healthy going into next season.

Wolf screwed up a lot with this draft but looks like he may have hit on Milton. Looks like he could be a capable backup at worse and maybe a trade chip at best if he keeps improving.

 

[Boston]

Are the Patriots sitting their starters? Maye, in particular? And if so why?

Well there's this thing called the NFL draft you see and...

That's not typically a thing teams do, is it? Or have I not been paying attention and this has been happening before? I thought you were forced by "ethics" to play your guys.

Milton 100% should be playing...the only thing that could make this season worse is Maye getting hurt and it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Milton and whether he has a chance to be Maye's future backup.

So is that particular to the final week only? Why not keep Maye healthy and see what you have in Milton the whole time after you're eliminated?

Why would you do that other then the final week when you are eliminated?

I'm saying after you're eliminated. The whole time. Why risk Maye's health or any starters' health ever after you're eliminated?

Because that would be foolish.

Okay. Week 18 is a magical exception.

Are you serious or just trolling?

The reasons are beyond obvious.

Absolutely serious. My point is, how do you distinguish this from tanking? They are resting some starters in a game that will get them the #1 pick if they lose. Why not rest starters in week 17, too? Would that then become tanking?

Doing it in week 17 is tanking...doing it in week 18 in a meaningless game so your franchise QB who has been dinged up this year doesn't get hurt while seeing what your other rookie QB can do is called commonsense.

You call week 18 meaningless. Is week 17 not meaningless if you're eliminated?

Actually, is this because the Bills are also locked into the 2 seed? I.e., if the Bills were playing for something, perhaps they play Maye to not affect the integrity of the league?

Gonna have to tap out on this one and just enjoy watching to see if Joe Milton is a potential backup and be happy Drake Maye will be healthy going into next season.

Wolf screwed up a lot with this draft but looks like he may have hit on Milton. Looks like he could be a capable backup at worse and maybe a trade chip at best if he keeps improving.

I think the other thing we are learning is while he is iffy as an OC Van Pelt does a very good job as more of a QB's Coach.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

"Keon Coleman has been really good" ???
That's what the booth dude said after he catches a ball in the 2nd Half of a meaningless football game for the Buffalo Bills
Has he actually watched Coleman? He's been OK but I wouldn't describe his rookie season as really good

Yeah, it's definitely been up and down, with some missed games. I'd give him a grade of "I - Incomplete" this year.

Agreed 100% with that, way too early and missed time to say if he passes/fails right now
I wouldn't be surprised if Buffalo didn't draft another on in the 2nd-3rd-4th again with upside for their system

Bills have a ton of cap space this upcoming offseason. As much as we all love the "everybody eats" narrative, I think it's almost guaranteed they make a splash move for a receiver in some fashion, either draft or trade.

I think many of us, Bills fans included, forgot that this is a rebuilding year in terms of the cap. They're eating a ton of cap space right now on guys like Diggs, Tre White etc.

This right here is why I love game threads and fans from other teams than the one or two I root for that can land the plane quickly
I took Coleman in a later round, part keeper part redraft league, not sure I can keep him going into next year.
I'd like to hold steady but I haven't seen enough to think for a second Buffalo will stop improving in their receiving corps for Allen next year
Good stuff, thanks Steve and Greg

 

[Steve Tasker]

Alright fellas, stand down, don't want em to get that #1 pick. Get Mike White in there.

 

[Snotbubbles]

"Keon Coleman has been really good" ???
That's what the booth dude said after he catches a ball in the 2nd Half of a meaningless football game for the Buffalo Bills
Has he actually watched Coleman? He's been OK but I wouldn't describe his rookie season as really good

Yeah, it's definitely been up and down, with some missed games. I'd give him a grade of "I - Incomplete" this year.

Agreed 100% with that, way too early and missed time to say if he passes/fails right now
I wouldn't be surprised if Buffalo didn't draft another on in the 2nd-3rd-4th again with upside for their system

Bills have a ton of cap space this upcoming offseason. As much as we all love the "everybody eats" narrative, I think it's almost guaranteed they make a splash move for a receiver in some fashion, either draft or trade.

I think many of us, Bills fans included, forgot that this is a rebuilding year in terms of the cap. They're eating a ton of cap space right now on guys like Diggs, Tre White etc.

This right here is why I love game threads and fans from other teams than the one or two I root for that can land the plane quickly
I took Coleman in a later round, part keeper part redraft league, not sure I can keep him going into next year.
I'd like to hold steady but I haven't seen enough to think for a second Buffalo will stop improving in their receiving corps for Allen next year
Good stuff, thanks Steve and Greg

Don't think Buffalo has a ton of cap space in 2025. Both overthecap and spotrac have Buffalo at near the bottom of the league in cap space: https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space & https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space

 

[Steve Tasker]

Milton is real ****in good.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Don't think Buffalo has a ton of cap space in 2025. Both overthecap and spotrac have Buffalo at near the bottom of the league in cap space: https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space & https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space

I'm probably wrong. There was a lot of talk before the season about it in Bills circles. I'm sure there's more they can do to free up some space but I'm not sure offhand what.

 

[The Duff Man]

The Bills save $8.5M I think by cutting Miller, more if it is post June.

They haven’t left themselves many moves, Knox is a horrible horrible contract they can’t get out of next year, and Milano was a good deal turned bad with his injuries, they can’t get out of it either (costs money to cut either).

Curtis Samuel is not as much but the worst of all.

Re-signing Brown ate up some of their future space.

 

[Dez]

New England is doing their part at least

 

[Steve Tasker]

The Bills save $8.5M I think by cutting Miller, more if it is post June.

They haven’t left themselves many moves, Knox is a horrible horrible contract they can’t get out of next year, and Milano was a good deal turned bad with his injuries, they can’t get out of it either (costs money to cut either).

Curtis Samuel is not as much but the worst of all.

Re-signing Brown ate up some of their future space.

I thought it had something to do with cutting Von, but I didn't know if the restructure on his contract changed that. The Knox deal sucks, has sucked from day one. He's not a terrible player but it's an awful contract.

 

[ghostguy123]

Cmon Bills. Tick tick tick

 

[Dez]

Boutte really came on to end this season.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

GG Pats. You guys were just too much today.

 

[Dez]

#2 pick here we come Browns !

 

[ghostguy123]

#2 pick here we come Browns !

Stupid Titans

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

GG Pats. Way to cough up that #1 pick.

 

[GroveDiesel]

GG Pats. Way to cough up that #1 pick.

The drop from #1 to #4 is sizable in this draft IMO. Most likely means losing out on Travis Hunter. And won’t be a whole lot of trade value at that spot for teams looking for a QB. That win was a huge negative for the franchise.

 

[Boston]

GG Pats. Way to cough up that #1 pick.

The drop from #1 to #4 is sizable in this draft IMO. Most likely means losing out on Travis Hunter. And won’t be a whole lot of trade value at that spot for teams looking for a QB. That win was a huge negative for the franchise.

It hurts but this is probably the best drat to have it happen since there isn't a franchise QB that would bring you the crazy haul.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

GG Pats. Way to cough up that #1 pick.

The drop from #1 to #4 is sizable in this draft IMO. Most likely means losing out on Travis Hunter. And won’t be a whole lot of trade value at that spot for teams looking for a QB. That win was a huge negative for the franchise.

It hurts but this is probably the best drat to have it happen since there isn't a franchise QB that would bring you the crazy haul.

I can't really disagree with that, but it's definitely a decent loss in draft capital.

 

[Boston]

GG Pats. Way to cough up that #1 pick.

The drop from #1 to #4 is sizable in this draft IMO. Most likely means losing out on Travis Hunter. And won’t be a whole lot of trade value at that spot for teams looking for a QB. That win was a huge negative for the franchise.

It hurts but this is probably the best drat to have it happen since there isn't a franchise QB that would bring you the crazy haul.

I can't really disagree with that, but it's definitely a decent loss in draft capital.

No doubt at all...it is definitely a negative but because of that it is just bad and not a complete train wreck...this is where the Pats are as a franchise right now and it's not good.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

GG Pats. Way to cough up that #1 pick.

The drop from #1 to #4 is sizable in this draft IMO. Most likely means losing out on Travis Hunter. And won’t be a whole lot of trade value at that spot for teams looking for a QB. That win was a huge negative for the franchise.

It hurts but this is probably the best drat to have it happen since there isn't a franchise QB that would bring you the crazy haul.

I can't really disagree with that, but it's definitely a decent loss in draft capital.

No doubt at all...it is definitely a negative but because of that it is just bad and not a complete train wreck...this is where the Pats are as a franchise right now and it's not good.

Sucks to be in a division with a top notch QB, doesn't it?

 

[Boston]

GG Pats. Way to cough up that #1 pick.

The drop from #1 to #4 is sizable in this draft IMO. Most likely means losing out on Travis Hunter. And won’t be a whole lot of trade value at that spot for teams looking for a QB. That win was a huge negative for the franchise.

It hurts but this is probably the best drat to have it happen since there isn't a franchise QB that would bring you the crazy haul.

I can't really disagree with that, but it's definitely a decent loss in draft capital.

No doubt at all...it is definitely a negative but because of that it is just bad and not a complete train wreck...this is where the Pats are as a franchise right now and it's not good.

Sucks to be in a division with a top notch QB, doesn't it?

The good news is it looks like it only took the Pats 4 years to find a good one...if they can figure out the rest of the team it won't be a 20-year black hole.

 

[FairWarning]

"Keon Coleman has been really good" ???
That's what the booth dude said after he catches a ball in the 2nd Half of a meaningless football game for the Buffalo Bills
Has he actually watched Coleman? He's been OK but I wouldn't describe his rookie season as really good

I was flipping thru the channels and caught that also. I thought Coleman was about what was expected, considering the injuries. Certainly room for growth.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

GG Pats. Way to cough up that #1 pick.

The drop from #1 to #4 is sizable in this draft IMO. Most likely means losing out on Travis Hunter. And won’t be a whole lot of trade value at that spot for teams looking for a QB. That win was a huge negative for the franchise.

It hurts but this is probably the best drat to have it happen since there isn't a franchise QB that would bring you the crazy haul.

I can't really disagree with that, but it's definitely a decent loss in draft capital.

No doubt at all...it is definitely a negative but because of that it is just bad and not a complete train wreck...this is where the Pats are as a franchise right now and it's not good.

Sucks to be in a division with a top notch QB, doesn't it?

The good news is it looks like it only took the Pats 4 years to find a good one...if they can figure out the rest of the team it won't be a 20-year black hole.

Honestly not trying to troll or anything, but how much better has Maye looked this year than Mac Jones in his rookie year? I remember him having a pretty impressive rookie year and lots of folks saying "well, they already found the heir apparent."

 

[kyoun1e]

GG Pats. Way to cough up that #1 pick.

The drop from #1 to #4 is sizable in this draft IMO. Most likely means losing out on Travis Hunter. And won’t be a whole lot of trade value at that spot for teams looking for a QB. That win was a huge negative for the franchise.

It hurts but this is probably the best drat to have it happen since there isn't a franchise QB that would bring you the crazy haul.

I can't really disagree with that, but it's definitely a decent loss in draft capital.

No doubt at all...it is definitely a negative but because of that it is just bad and not a complete train wreck...this is where the Pats are as a franchise right now and it's not good.

Sucks to be in a division with a top notch QB, doesn't it?

The good news is it looks like it only took the Pats 4 years to find a good one...if they can figure out the rest of the team it won't be a 20-year black hole.

Honestly not trying to troll or anything, but how much better has Maye looked this year than Mac Jones in his rookie year? I remember him having a pretty impressive rookie year and lots of folks saying "well, they already found the heir apparent."

A lot, lot better.

Pretty much in every way imaginable.

 

[Boston]

GG Pats. Way to cough up that #1 pick.

The drop from #1 to #4 is sizable in this draft IMO. Most likely means losing out on Travis Hunter. And won’t be a whole lot of trade value at that spot for teams looking for a QB. That win was a huge negative for the franchise.

It hurts but this is probably the best drat to have it happen since there isn't a franchise QB that would bring you the crazy haul.

I can't really disagree with that, but it's definitely a decent loss in draft capital.

No doubt at all...it is definitely a negative but because of that it is just bad and not a complete train wreck...this is where the Pats are as a franchise right now and it's not good.

Sucks to be in a division with a top notch QB, doesn't it?

The good news is it looks like it only took the Pats 4 years to find a good one...if they can figure out the rest of the team it won't be a 20-year black hole.

Honestly not trying to troll or anything, but how much better has Maye looked this year than Mac Jones in his rookie year? I remember him having a pretty impressive rookie year and lots of folks saying "well, they already found the heir apparent."

Not even close...Mac had a very solid "game management" rookie season (I don't mean that in a bad way) and I definitely thought he was a QB you could win with after his rookie year and would be a solid starting QB that would thrive playing for an HC like BB much like he did with Saban...unfortunately he never improved/actually regressed (BB was most certainly part of that) and mentally he was not really the leader we hoped he would be (he was actually a little bratty and most certainly not cut out for the Boston market)...for a guy who I thought could be a smart game manager he made a ton of stupid plays and since he was limited physically (both in arm and athleticism) it got bad very fast...from a talent/physical tools standpoint the two are not even in the same zip code...there is not one area that Jones does better than Maye and it is so obvious to see Maye is just scratching the surface of his physical tools at the age of 22...also, so far he has been excellent with the media (he definitely "gets it") and by all accounts has easily won over his teammates...it is still early but right now it would be tough for me to be more happy with what I have seen from him so far in an ugly situation and I think he has a great chance to be elite if the franchise wakes up and does the right things around him.