Blackjacks Mock Draft #2 (Post Combine) (1 Viewer)

[Blackjacks]

Lets try this again as already due to some trades (Wow, who saw McCoy getting traded) and releases, things have changed from my first mock.

1 TB - Jameis Winston

2 Philadelphia via Tenn - Marcus Mariotta

3 Jax - Leonard Williams

4 Oakland - Amari Cooper

5 Miami via Washington - Kevin White

6 NYJ - Trae Wayans

7 Chicago - Danny Shelton

8 Atl - Dante Fowler

9 NYG - Randy Gregory

10 Tenn via Philadelphia via STL Rams - Shane Ray

11 Minnesota - Brandon Scherff

12 Cle - Andrus Peat

13 New Orleans - Vic Beasley

14 Washington via Miami - Alvin Dupree

15 SF Devante Parker

16 Houston - La'el Collins

17 SD - Jalen Collins

18 KC - Landon Collins

19 Cle - Malcolm Brown

20 St Louis via Philadelphia - Ereck Flowers

21 Cincinnati - Eric Kendricks

22 Jax via Pittsburgh - Todd Gurley

23 Detroit - Eddie Goldman

24 Arizona - TJ Clemings

25 Carolina - DJ Humphreys

26 Baltimore - Ronald Darby

27 Dallas - Arik Armstrong

28 Denver - Cameron Erving

29 Indianapolis - Melvin Gordon

30 GB - Maxx Williams

31 Seattle - Devin Smith

32 New England - Kevin Johnson

Notable trades

Philly trades the 20 overall in 2015, 2nd rd pick in 2016 and Nick Foles to STL for the #10

Philly trades the #10 and #1 in 2016 to Tenn for #2 overall in 2015

Miami trades the number #14 this year and #1 in 2016 #3 in 2016 and to Washington for the #4

Notable FA destinations

SD - Demarco Murray

NYJ - CJ Spiller

Arizona - Ryan Mathews

Philly - Maclin resigns (with the Philadelphia Eagles Is that better?)

Balt - resigns Forsett and Torrey Smith and add Andre Johnson

New Orleans - Darren McFadden

GB Randall Cobb resigned

Dallas - Mark Ingram

*edited

Sf Parker now

Thanks Soulfly

 

[TheFanatic]

Notable FA destinations

SD - Demarco Murray

NYJ - CJ Spiller

Arizona - Ryan Mathews

Philly - Maclin resign

Balt - resigns Forsett and Torrey Smith and add Andre Johnson

New Orleans - Darren McFadden

GB Randall Cobb resigned

Dallas - Mark Ingram

Where's ADP?

And while I think predicting that many trades is like trying to pick the lottery numbers with a dart throwing monkey, the trades all make perfect sense...

 

[Soulfly3]

No Devante Parker in the first?

Major Oversight

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

Nice work but there's no way there will be three Collins' in a row

 

[Pipes]

Nice effort but while the Pack could use Williams I think they'll take McKinney if available. They need inside LB's bad.

 

[5Rings]

Nice to see that you are consistent each mock predicting a Rams friendly draft day trade.

Hate the Collins to SF pick (I'd go CB, rush backer, DL, WR), but very nice effort.

 

[Blackjacks]

No Devante Parker in the first?

Major Oversight

GD!!!!!! .

I had a trade lineup for SF to get Parker and then took it away and forgot to add him. He is honestly my favorite wr in the group.

Let me make an edit.

Nice catch

 

[Soulfly3]

No Devante Parker in the first?

Major Oversight

GD!!!!!! .I had a trade lineup for SF to get Parker and then took it away and forgot to add him. He is honestly my favorite wr in the group.

Let me make an edit.

Nice catch

No worries. Happens

Knew it was just an oversight/error

 

[Milkman]

So Washington gets the #14 pick this year plus a 1st and 3rd next year for their 1st this year? That's sounds like a great deal for the Skins.

 

[JaxBill]

Philly trades the #10 and #1 in 2016 to Tenn for #2 overall in 2015

That's a terrible trade for Tenn. 10 to 2 is a long way.

 

[Blackjacks]

Nice to see that you are consistent each mock predicting a Rams friendly draft day trade.

Hate the Collins to SF pick (I'd go CB, rush backer, DL, WR), but very nice effort.

I actually had that as a trade and got screwed up when I put it on paper.

SF now getting Parker as originally had.

You think STL is getting a huge advantage in the deal?

Foles wouldn't get more than a #3 on the trade market so basically STL is getting a 2 and a 3 to moved from 20 to 10.

I see that as more than fair

 

[Blackjacks]

So Washington gets the #14 pick this year plus a 1st and 3rd next year for their 1st this year? That's sounds like a great deal for the Skins.

Last year Buffalo gave up a #1 to go from 9 to 4. This is 14 to 5 and getting an xtra 3

 

[Blackjacks]

Philly trades the #10 and #1 in 2016 to Tenn for #2 overall in 2015

That's a terrible trade for Tenn. 10 to 2 is a long way.

Tenn is a team in rebuild.

If they can get an xtra 1 and still get a talented player I see this as a very good deal for them

 

[Blackjacks]

Nice effort but while the Pack could use Williams I think they'll take McKinney if available. They need inside LB's bad.

Not if Mathews is going to stay inside next year.

If not, inside lbs are usually found after the 1st round

 

[Blackjacks]

Notable FA destinations

SD - Demarco Murray

NYJ - CJ Spiller

Arizona - Ryan Mathews

Philly - Maclin resign

Balt - resigns Forsett and Torrey Smith and add Andre Johnson

New Orleans - Darren McFadden

GB Randall Cobb resigned

Dallas - Mark Ingram

Where's ADP?

And while I think predicting that many trades is like trying to pick the lottery numbers with a dart throwing monkey, the trades all make perfect sense...

ADP isn't a free agent. If he goes somewhere, I see Dallas and he would be awesome there

 

[Milkman]

So Washington gets the #14 pick this year plus a 1st and 3rd next year for their 1st this year? That's sounds like a great deal for the Skins.

Last year Buffalo gave up a #1 to go from 9 to 4. This is 14 to 5 and getting an xtra 3

Yeah it would still be a good deal for the Skins imo. It would be awesome if they could still somehow get Danny Shelton in the deal. They need a DT.

 

[saintfool]

13 New Orleans - Vic Beasley

payton talked about "must haves" at the combine this year:

“I think one’s a corner. I think another position is an interior offensive lineman. And potentially a pass-rusher,” Payton told Pro Football Talk while at the scouting combine in Indianapolis.

in this mock draft scenario, La'el Collins is available to them. he is projected to play OT or OG in the NFL. in lieu of a CB, i would rather have an upgrade at the O-line.

 

[Blackjacks]

13 New Orleans - Vic Beasley

payton talked about "must haves" at the combine this year:

“I think one’s a corner. I think another position is an interior offensive lineman. And potentially a pass-rusher,” Payton told Pro Football Talk while at the scouting combine in Indianapolis.

in this mock draft scenario, La'el Collins is available to them. he is projected to play OT or OG in the NFL. in lieu of a CB, i would rather have an upgrade at the O-line.

While I cant disagree with you or Coach Payton on those needs I thought their D needed the biggest help.

Beasley is a top talent and the saints could get a good guard or rt in the 2nd round.

 

[5Rings]

Nice to see that you are consistent each mock predicting a Rams friendly draft day trade.

Hate the Collins to SF pick (I'd go CB, rush backer, DL, WR), but very nice effort.

I actually had that as a trade and got screwed up when I put it on paper.

SF now getting Parker as originally had.

You think STL is getting a huge advantage in the deal?

Foles wouldn't get more than a #3 on the trade market so basically STL is getting a 2 and a 3 to moved from 10 to 10.

I see that as more than fair

I might be wrong, and in reading the Shady trade thread maybe I am....but Foles sure seems to be undervalued around here. I would think he holds a 2nd round grade.

BTW, I like your Parker trade!

 

[Blackjacks]

Nice to see that you are consistent each mock predicting a Rams friendly draft day trade.

Hate the Collins to SF pick (I'd go CB, rush backer, DL, WR), but very nice effort.

I actually had that as a trade and got screwed up when I put it on paper.

SF now getting Parker as originally had.

You think STL is getting a huge advantage in the deal?

Foles wouldn't get more than a #3 on the trade market so basically STL is getting a 2 and a 3 to moved from 10 to 10.

I see that as more than fair

I might be wrong, and in reading the Shady trade thread maybe I am....but Foles sure seems to be undervalued around here. I would think he holds a 2nd round grade.

BTW, I like your Parker trade!

It actually didn't work out for SF to trade for him.

While I was building the mock I had them moving up to get Parker but then I cancelled the trade as I didn't see it needed and forgot toad him back to the list. If SF can stand pat and get him in their original spot they should be estatic!

 

[saintfool]

13 New Orleans - Vic Beasley

payton talked about "must haves" at the combine this year:

“I think one’s a corner. I think another position is an interior offensive lineman. And potentially a pass-rusher,” Payton told Pro Football Talk while at the scouting combine in Indianapolis.

in this mock draft scenario, La'el Collins is available to them. he is projected to play OT or OG in the NFL. in lieu of a CB, i would rather have an upgrade at the O-line.

While I cant disagree with you or Coach Payton on those needs I thought their D needed the biggest help.

Beasley is a top talent and the saints could get a good guard or rt in the 2nd round.

they don't need a RT at the moment. the current RT - Strief - is a vet and signed a multiyear extension last season. he's there for a least a little while longer. OG play - Evans and Grubbs - was mostly awful and graded poorly. there has been talk about cutting one of them - Evans, especially - to make cap room. this on top of the almost desperate need they have for a legit starting Center to replace Goodwin - who was hastily pressed into service after de la Puente went unexpectedly to Chicago - there. he's strictly a backup at this stage of his career.

i get that observers think the problem is the defense. it absolutely is but the pass rush isn't the problem with it. they have jordan and gillette - who combined for 25 sacks in 2013 but only 18 in 2014 - that can bounce back. they went from 4th ranked defense in 2013 to the 28th in 2014 with essentially the same personnel. correctlons to the defense are at CB, space eating DT and ILB. they were pulling guys off the practice squad at CB opposite Lewis down the stretch. they lost scheme flexibility when Jarius went down in week 4 (Vaccarro moved to FS as a result). bunkley at DT is JAG and hawthorne at ILB is athletic but little else (which is why he is being considered a cap casualty). OLB is not going to help much.

this is a great draft for the edge rushers like beasley. it's tempting - believe me, very tempting - to take advantage of it. however, given the very real needs that the saints have it just doesn't make sense. there isn't a C, i know, but there quality at OG with La'el.

just my .02 here.

 

[Blackjacks]

Nice to see that you are consistent each mock predicting a Rams friendly draft day trade.

Hate the Collins to SF pick (I'd go CB, rush backer, DL, WR), but very nice effort.

I actually had that as a trade and got screwed up when I put it on paper.

SF now getting Parker as originally had.

You think STL is getting a huge advantage in the deal?

Foles wouldn't get more than a #3 on the trade market so basically STL is getting a 2 and a 3 to moved from 10 to 10.

I see that as more than fair

I might be wrong, and in reading the Shady trade thread maybe I am....but Foles sure seems to be undervalued around here. I would think he holds a 2nd round grade.

BTW, I like your Parker trade!

Even if its a #2.....2 #2's to go from 20 to 10 isn't awful for Philly.

 

[Blackjacks]

13 New Orleans - Vic Beasley

payton talked about "must haves" at the combine this year:

“I think one’s a corner. I think another position is an interior offensive lineman. And potentially a pass-rusher,” Payton told Pro Football Talk while at the scouting combine in Indianapolis.

in this mock draft scenario, La'el Collins is available to them. he is projected to play OT or OG in the NFL. in lieu of a CB, i would rather have an upgrade at the O-line.

While I cant disagree with you or Coach Payton on those needs I thought their D needed the biggest help.

Beasley is a top talent and the saints could get a good guard or rt in the 2nd round.

they don't need a RT at the moment. the current RT - Strief - is a vet and signed a multiyear extension last season. he's there for a least a little while longer. OG play - Evans and Grubbs - was mostly awful and graded poorly. there has been talk about cutting one of them - Evans, especially - to make cap room. this on top of the almost desperate need they have for a legit starting Center to replace Goodwin - who was hastily pressed into service after de la Puente went unexpectedly to Chicago - there. he's strictly a backup at this stage of his career.

i get that observers think the problem is the defense. it absolutely is but the pass rush isn't the problem with it. they have jordan and gillette - who combined for 25 sacks in 2013 but only 18 in 2014 - that can bounce back. they went from 4th ranked defense in 2013 to the 28th in 2014 with essentially the same personnel. correctlons to the defense are at CB, space eating DT and ILB. they were pulling guys off the practice squad at CB opposite Lewis down the stretch. they lost scheme flexibility when Jarius went down in week 4 (Vaccarro moved to FS as a result). bunkley at DT is JAG and hawthorne at ILB is athletic but little else (which is why he is being considered a cap casualty). OLB is not going to help much.

this is a great draft for the edge rushers like beasley. it's tempting - believe me, very tempting - to take advantage of it. however, given the very real needs that the saints have it just doesn't make sense. there isn't a C, i know, but there quality at OG with La'el.

just my .02 here.

Got ya.

Good debate

 

[ScottNorwood]

A bold prediction that Jeremy Maclin quits football

 

[saintfool]

7 Chicago - Danny Shelton

they have Ratliff, Sutton and Ferguson at DT. they're not going to grab Shelton.

 

[Blackjacks]

A bold prediction that Jeremy Maclin quits football

funny guy

fixed

 

[Blackjacks]

7 Chicago - Danny Shelton

they have Ratliff, Sutton and Ferguson at DT. they're not going to grab Shelton.

Well they might have those guys but they aren't very good due to last years performance.

 

[saintfool]

7 Chicago - Danny Shelton

they have Ratliff, Sutton and Ferguson at DT. they're not going to grab Shelton.

Well they might have those guys but they aren't very good due to last years performance.

they had their reasons for being awful. they have arguably upgraded at the coaching position though. they'll run a 3-4 hybrid (like everyone else) but, according to recent comments from Fox, it will be a rotation at DT. ratliff went to 4 pro bols as NT in Dallas. they don't know what 2nd year players like sutton and ferguson can do at the position.

they need help at safety, ILB, and RT. they'll need help at WR if they cut Marshall.

 

[Pipes]

Nice effort but while the Pack could use Williams I think they'll take McKinney if available. They need inside LB's bad.

Not if Mathews is going to stay inside next year.

If not, inside lbs are usually found after the 1st round

So are TE's. I don't see Clay being a permanent fixture in the inside and with Hawk and Jones gone this is by far their biggest weakness. Thompson won't reach for a guy but McKinney, along with a few other LB's have late 1st round grades...I don't see the Pack passing on one.