Bloom 100: 1-20 (1 Viewer)

[Sigmund Bloom]

1-20

Thanks for the patience while I've been in the studio working on Draftguys TV

As always, the first version is a bit half-baked - still watching a lot of film and my feelings about these guys are still settling. I havent had a chance to proof this with a fine tooth comb, and Im about to step out for a few hours, so excuse any obvious errors. Ill be back to further discuss this class.

 

[gianmarco]

 

[Faust]

Awesome, I was waiting for this to come out!

Cheers Bloom!

 

[The Man With No Name]

 

[EBF]

Nice list. Thanks for the props.

You are even more EEEEEEE on Dillard than myself.

I'm surprised to see Harvin and Greene so low. I agree that Greene isn't a phenomenal talent, but I think he can produce if someone drafts him into a starting role. I think Harvin is going to be a good player when it's all said and done.

On the flipside, I think you're overrating Robiskie. I just don't see any upside there. He'll be a pretty high pick because he's a polished player and a "safe" choice, but I'll be surprised if he's ever more than a WR4 in FF leagues. I think he'd have to land in a perfect situation like TJ Housh to have significant value. Otherwise he's Oronde Gadsden.

 

[Kleck]

5 stars.

 

[ClownDogs]

Pettigrew not in the top 20? Hmmmm.....

 

[Bob Magaw]

its not officially draft season until bloom's top 100 comes out...

ITS GO TIME!

love the comp players, & not just the specific player examples, but FORMALLY... combining a few players from the constellation of possible physical traits & skill set attributes enables thinking/speaking with greater precision, & evoking more relevant images on the other end... multiple perspectives are better than one, as they can simultaneously amplify accurately observed positives & dampen spurious negatives, through corroborational overlap & intersection... you can't triangulate an earthquake with one or even two monitoring station/s (can comp player triangulation be just around the corner? )...

insightful & an education as always, keep up the great work on the rest of the highly anticipated installs into the 2009 draft class collective meme...

biggest surprises (for me)...

maclin being as low as he is (he looks so explosive in the open field, but haven't scouted his route running & hands)...

how high curry is (you know i agree he is a SPECIAL prospect, & i know how you generally downgrade D relative to O, so you must be off-the-charts positive on him from a scouting standpoint)... i think if he went to a team like the rams where he would be a MLB (i expect LT monroe/smith), he should be the highest drafted in IDP in such leagues in years... if he were a SLB or strong side 3-4 OLB, does he have the scoring upside of ware? this high a ranking will DEFINITELY get people's attention, if that was your intention (that said, i know you call it like you see it)...

also, to a lesser extent (than maclin), how low harvin is, but i probably shouldn't be... sounds like he may be a great college player with a diverse, eclectic skill set, but potentially a prospect without an NFL position (& may have some character or personality red flags, compounding that question mark?).. this is probably a case where his fantasy slot might to some degree be a function of when he goes, where he goes, & how it looks like he will be used, ultimately...

* how would you compare nicks physical tools & skill set with dwayne bowe & his game?

BTW, & you no doubt are aware of this, mayock thinks robiskie eventually has #1 upside (& you did use housh as a comp player... sure, if he goes to a place where it looks like he might play a housh-like role, he rockets up fantasy boards... after crabtree/maclin, commanding most of the attention, i think i like nicks & robiskie next best from the '09 WR class... i do need to scout britt, though)...

** dillard i can't claim as a surprise as i hadn't heard of him previously, & i'd have no basis on which to critique the ranking... needless to say, i'll be checking him out... ditto for thomas...

sounds like a good class for receiving TEs...

 

[jgb95]

I have the 1.03 and my team is all set at QB (Brady Warner and A Rodgers), RB (Gore, P Thomas, R Brown, & D Williams (only start one) and WR (L Fitz, R Wayne, M Colston & KWII).

So I'm really hoping to grab A Curry w/ the 1.03!!!!

Thanks BLOOM.

 

[RabidSniper4]

Your the greatest Bloom, thanks a million

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

a bit different than my personal list but i love da work you put in it....

 

[Multiple Scores]

Is this a thread where we are all supposed to agree with the list? The effort is appreciated and overall I would say many of the rankings are spot on. However when I first seen this list I figured I'd come back in an hour and see the poor poster taking a beating about some of the rankings (Dillard, Maclin, Britt, Thomas, Greene and Harvin). I'm in agreement with some of this, for example Greene I have no issue being that low. I realize this is a subjective list so i'll keep my tongue in my mouth since I have no idea if disagreeing is off limits here.

 

[Hook Em']

Is this a thread where we are all supposed to agree with the list? The effort is appreciated and overall I would say many of the rankings are spot on. However when I first seen this list I figured I'd come back in an hour and see the poor poster taking a beating about some of the rankings (Dillard, Maclin, Britt, Thomas, Greene and Harvin). I'm in agreement with some of this, for example Greene I have no issue being that low. I realize this is a subjective list so i'll keep my tongue in my mouth since I have no idea if disagreeing is off limits here.

Why would disagreeing be off limits? If you disagree then say so, because that will spark discussion.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Is this a thread where we are all supposed to agree with the list? The effort is appreciated and overall I would say many of the rankings are spot on. However when I first seen this list I figured I'd come back in an hour and see the poor poster taking a beating about some of the rankings (Dillard, Maclin, Britt, Thomas, Greene and Harvin). I'm in agreement with some of this, for example Greene I have no issue being that low. I realize this is a subjective list so i'll keep my tongue in my mouth since I have no idea if disagreeing is off limits here.

Why would disagreeing be off limits? If you disagree then say so, because that will spark discussion.

Please disagree - rookie rankings, and how college prospects will translate to the pros is probably one of the most inexact exercises in the football universe. I love using the 100 as a jumping off point for debates and discussions about players.

 

[lyon812]

Great work, but I just can't put Nicks below DHB and Dillard. Maybe I just have my blinders on, but I keep comparing him to Boldin in my head.

And I'm having trouble with Mike Thomas there and Mark Sanchez not.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Nice list. Thanks for the props. You are even more EEEEEEE on Dillard than myself. I'm surprised to see Harvin and Greene so low. I agree that Greene isn't a phenomenal talent, but I think he can produce if someone drafts him into a starting role. I think Harvin is going to be a good player when it's all said and done.On the flipside, I think you're overrating Robiskie. I just don't see any upside there. He'll be a pretty high pick because he's a polished player and a "safe" choice, but I'll be surprised if he's ever more than a WR4 in FF leagues. I think he'd have to land in a perfect situation like TJ Housh to have significant value. Otherwise he's Oronde Gadsden.

I'm sold on Dillard. If he was .1 40 time faster, or two inches taller, I think he'd be a shoo-in first round pick, and that step and couple of inches won't matter nearly as much as scouts think it will on Sundays.Without a doubt, if Greene lands somewhere like Seattle or Arizona, he'll rocket up this list. So would Andre Brown or Cedric Peerman, who just missed out on making the top 20. This list is totally situation independant until we see the landing spots.I anticipated the perception of Robiskie being overrated, hence

Robiskie is the kind of safe, unexciting pick that we all wish we had made instead of the flashy upside guy.

We underestimate guys who just get the job done, but don't make highlight reel plays. Robiskie's QB is going to come to rely on his steady play, and he'll endear himself to his coaches immediately because of his professional approach to the game. That kind of stuff doesn't get us but it results in more production than you think.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Great work, but I just can't put Nicks below DHB and Dillard. Maybe I just have my blinders on, but I keep comparing him to Boldin in my head. And I'm having trouble with Mike Thomas there and Mark Sanchez not.

Sanchez and Freeman are both in the eye of the beholder - its just tough to spend rookie picks on QB when the hit ratio is so spotty.Thomas and Dillard I obviously rate higher than most - these are "statement" rankings in a way.DHB I struggled with. He has the highest ceiling of any non-Crabtree WR, and he has the kind of game where he only needs to catch 50-60 balls in a season to be a top 20-25 WR a la Plax.I really like Nicks a lot, and I honestly wouldnt argue with him at #6. I'm just sold on Dillard and see a big payoff if DHB hits.

 

[GECKO]

 

[bcr8f]

Nice list. Thanks for the props.

You are even more EEEEEEE on Dillard than myself.

I'm surprised to see Harvin and Greene so low. I agree that Greene isn't a phenomenal talent, but I think he can produce if someone drafts him into a starting role. I think Harvin is going to be a good player when it's all said and done.

On the flipside, I think you're overrating Robiskie. I just don't see any upside there. He'll be a pretty high pick because he's a polished player and a "safe" choice, but I'll be surprised if he's ever more than a WR4 in FF leagues. I think he'd have to land in a perfect situation like TJ Housh to have significant value. Otherwise he's Oronde Gadsden.

A slower Greg Jennings? Greg is very shifty so I hope he can keep up there.

 

[FUBAR]

I anticipated the perception of Robiskie being overrated, hence

Robiskie is the kind of safe, unexciting pick that we all wish we had made instead of the flashy upside guy.

We underestimate guys who just get the job done, but don't make highlight reel plays. Robiskie's QB is going to come to rely on his steady play, and he'll endear himself to his coaches immediately because of his professional approach to the game. That kind of stuff doesn't get us but it results in more production than you think.

I don't know about that. Safe guys recently were Earl Bennet and Anthony Gonzalez. If he lands on a top passing offense, I certainly see him top 10, but what if he lands in Tennessee, Pittsburgh, or others? It seems your current ranking is your probably low point. If he lands in one of the lesser passing teams, is he even top 16?Just to put it out there, the rankings I disagree with:10. Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri - dude's a stud IMO. Not just a bigger Ted Ginn, but a much better one. 18. Percy Harvin, WR/RB, Florida - I understand your concerns, but the dude will get the ball in a lot of ways. 5 receptions, 5 carries a game. Doesn't sound like much, but in PPR those 80 receptions per year go a long way. 6. Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland - meh, give me Maclin any day over him. Thanks for opening my eyes to 13. Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona - but why the Smith comparison instead of DeSean Jackson? I didn't see him play much this year, I honestly don't remember him at all, so if this is an obvious answer, thanks anyway.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

IMO, If you believe Stafford compares to Cutler, I think you have to rank him higher than 12th especially ahead of any IDP no matter what kind of playmaker Curry might be.

 

[prymetyme25]

Nice list. Thanks for the props.

You are even more EEEEEEE on Dillard than myself.

I'm surprised to see Harvin and Greene so low. I agree that Greene isn't a phenomenal talent, but I think he can produce if someone drafts him into a starting role. I think Harvin is going to be a good player when it's all said and done.

On the flipside, I think you're overrating Robiskie. I just don't see any upside there. He'll be a pretty high pick because he's a polished player and a "safe" choice, but I'll be surprised if he's ever more than a WR4 in FF leagues. I think he'd have to land in a perfect situation like TJ Housh to have significant value. Otherwise he's Oronde Gadsden.

You'll be soorrryy!!!!! Robiskie might not have alot of upside but his floor is about 2-3 stories above everyone else.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Pettigrew not in the top 20? Hmmmm.....

Good player, but limited as a weapon in the passing game, imo.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Interested in why you're so down on Britt.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

And the off season really starts to kick into high gear.

 

[cstu]

Thanks for opening my eyes to13. Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona - but why the Smith comparison instead of DeSean Jackson? I didn't see him play much this year, I honestly don't remember him at all, so if this is an obvious answer, thanks anyway.

DeSean is actually taller (5-10) and lighter (169). Smith is a great comparison, but Smith is a rare talent. At 5-8 5/8, Mike Thomas would be the shortest WR in the league. With that said, Eddie Royal was 5-9 5/8.Personally, I'd love to see the Chargers draft him for the slot and eventually take over KR.

 

[Avery]

Thanks for opening my eyes to

13. Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona - but why the Smith comparison instead of DeSean Jackson? I didn't see him play much this year, I honestly don't remember him at all, so if this is an obvious answer, thanks anyway.

DeSean is actually taller (5-10) and lighter (169). Smith is a great comparison, but Smith is a rare talent. At a hair under 5-8, Mike Thomas would be the shortest WR in the league.

Personally, I'd love to see the Chargers draft him for the slot and eventually take over KR.

Cool.Put Thomas at WR, Sproles at RB and perhaps Flutie could come out of retirement and the Chargers could have their own version of "Little People, Big World."

 

[cstu]

Regarding James Casey...I love the guy's talent. My only real concern is his age (25 later this year) playing a position that normally takes awhile to learn in the NFL.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

biggest surprises (for me)... maclin being as low as he is (he looks so explosive in the open field, but haven't scouted his route running & hands)... how high curry is (you know i agree he is a SPECIAL prospect, & i know how you generally downgrade D relative to O, so you must be off-the-charts positive on him from a scouting standpoint)... i think if he went to a team like the rams where he would be a MLB (i expect LT monroe/smith), he should be the highest drafted in IDP in such leagues in years... if he were a SLB or strong side 3-4 OLB, does he have the scoring upside of ware? this high a ranking will DEFINITELY get people's attention, if that was your intention (that said, i know you call it like you see it)...

Maclin is definitely explosive in a straight line. He also runs strong for a WR/KR. I'm just not sure how he'll translate as a WR because I don't see explosive lateral agility.Curry and Crabtree are the truly transcendent talents in this class. Watching tape of either is a joy, you know you're watching a player who is truly a natural in every way. In general ranking 6-10 was very tough, and the whole cluster is very close in value. Robiskie and Stafford honestly aren't far off either. I'll probably add some sort of score out of 100 rating in the next edition or something else to denote this.

also, to a lesser extent (than maclin), how low harvin is, but i probably shouldn't be... sounds like he may be a great college player with a diverse, eclectic skill set, but potentially a prospect without an NFL position (& may have some character or personality red flags, compounding that question mark?).. this is probably a case where his fantasy slot might to some degree be a function of when he goes, where he goes, & how it looks like he will be used, ultimately...

Im just very wary of Harvin because we really haven't had a good chance to evaluate him as an NFL style WR and he did a lot of his damage on plays that aren't NFL style either.

* how would you compare nicks physical tools & skill set with dwayne bowe & his game?

I will say that's not a bad call, although Nicks isn't as thick as Bowe, and doesn't quite lay out like Bowe, but they attack the ball and run very strong. I like Nicks every time I watch him and wouldn't blame anyone for taking him at #6.

BTW, & you no doubt are aware of this, mayock thinks robiskie eventually has #1 upside (& you did use housh as a comp player... sure, if he goes to a place where it looks like he might play a housh-like role, he rockets up fantasy boards... after crabtree/maclin, commanding most of the attention, i think i like nicks & robiskie next best from the '09 WR class... i do need to scout britt, though)...

** dillard i can't claim as a surprise as i hadn't heard of him previously, & i'd have no basis on which to critique the ranking... needless to say, i'll be checking him out... ditto for thomas...sounds like a good class for receiving TEs...

Dillard and Thomas are underrated by the NFL because they are not six footers.I think 5-6 of this TE class have top 10 fantasy potential.

 

[cstu]

Thanks for opening my eyes to

13. Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona - but why the Smith comparison instead of DeSean Jackson? I didn't see him play much this year, I honestly don't remember him at all, so if this is an obvious answer, thanks anyway.

DeSean is actually taller (5-10) and lighter (169). Smith is a great comparison, but Smith is a rare talent. At a hair under 5-8, Mike Thomas would be the shortest WR in the league.

Personally, I'd love to see the Chargers draft him for the slot and eventually take over KR.

Cool.Put Thomas at WR, Sproles at RB and perhaps Flutie could come out of retirement and the Chargers could have their own version of "Little People, Big World."

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So in a non-PPR dynasty, a guy at #5 should stay put and take what's given to him? No use giving much up just to move up a spot or two?

 

[brobe4]

Great work Bloom!

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

So in a non-PPR dynasty, a guy at #5 should stay put and take what's given to him? No use giving much up just to move up a spot or two?

I would Andy, in both PPR and non....I think if you can get to #1 then fine, if not the next tier starts and you cool all the way to about 7 maybe even to 9.CRAB l l l l v If you wanting rb then Wells/Moreno/McCoy/Brown in some order should be available....Looking for a wr, then Maclin DHB Nicks Harvin should be there. 2-9 should all net very good prospects, which can go deeper if you want Stafford as well or the other tier of rb's/wr's. Situations could push Moreno/Wells in to the top tier with Crab to make the top tier a SUPER top 3...but as of now Crab sits alone.

 

[awesomeness]

Great stuff as always Bloom, excited to see the rest of your rankings

Personally i rank Nicks and Britt higher than DHB, i just think DHB is going to have a lot to learn in his transition to the NFL game and it's going to take him a while, and i'm not very impressed with his pass catching ability.

Nice to see James Casey and Chase Coffman getting love They are my bets for being the Keller/Carlson of this draft.

 

[djcolts]

BTW, & you no doubt are aware of this, mayock thinks robiskie eventually has #1 upside (& you did use housh as a comp player... sure, if he goes to a place where it looks like he might play a housh-like role, he rockets up fantasy boards... after crabtree/maclin, commanding most of the attention, i think i like nicks & robiskie next best from the '09 WR class... i do need to scout britt, though)...

I have a gut feeling that the Colts will spend their 1st round pick on Robiskie. I have no knowledge of this - just a gut feeling this will happen - he seems to scream "Colt WR" to me. And most Colts fans would groan if this happened until they see him make plays.

 

[jeter23]

After reading this, I am very interested in looking back at last year's 100. Bloom, or anyone else, do you have a link available for that?

TIA

 

[identikit]

After reading this, I am very interested in looking back at last year's 100. Bloom, or anyone else, do you have a link available for that?

TIA

Here's a thread with some previous Bloom 100 lists:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=460633

 

[anakin]

I think that DHB will bust and Dillard is a good talent, but Maclin and Harvin have a better shot at greatness. Dillard is a great value in the rookie 2.02 on (I play in 14 teamers). DHB looks lost to me. The lack of wiggle with Maclin is concerning, but I think he has a much better shot to be an excellent WR than DHB. Harvin showed a lot of moxie coming back for that bowl game and he is a playmaker in a true sense of the word. If Harvin or Maclin or both end up with a offensive cooridinator that gets the ball in playmakers hands whomever gets the chance will excell.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Pretty good list I really like the fact that you included rookie RB Rashard Jennings in your top 20. There's vailidity in all those other backs ranked ahead of Jennings but I feel if he lands in the right situation he could have a very good rookie campaign. There's several teams out there that could use him and he could start for but he still won't probably go before the late second at best or early 3rd round. He's got fullback size but I'm hoping whoever takes him doesn't use him for that. I think he could carry the load as a starter. Some will disagree and that's fine but IMO I think this kid could be a decent starter given the opportunity. Lesser talented guys have made it because of getting opportunity to prove it, and I say if he gets the chance you might see him putting up better numbers than some of those guys that'll surely get drafted ahead of him.

 

[comfortably numb]

This may be a hard question, but of the top 20, who stands to take a harder fall , or bigger leap on your ranking depending upon situation of where said player lands?

 

[Fiddles]

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[Tigerbot Hesh]

 

[Beefeaters]

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

This may be a hard question, but of the top 20, who stands to take a harder fall , or bigger leap on your ranking depending upon situation of where said player lands?

Obviously Greene and Jennings (and the rest of the 2nd tier RBs), and high floor/lower ceiling WRs like Robiskie, Dillard, and Nicks - any of them could become #5 if they land in Indy.

 

[mozzy84]

 

[NorrisB]

What are your thoughts on Stafford bloom? I like him alot, I think he will be easily a Joe Flacco like QB with Cutler being his ceiling, he has tremendous touch and an awesome arm. I also think Mark Sanchez should be higher, he reminds me alot of Tony Romo and I couldnt imagine taking crap shoot WRs like Harvin, Britt or Thomas over him. Last year you recommended taking Ryan at 4 and the year before that Russell at 4 at this time of year, why are you down on Stafford? Sanchez as well should easily be at 12 you didnt even have Quinn this low and you hated Quinn.

 

[ebcpastor2004]

So in a non-PPR dynasty, a guy at #5 should stay put and take what's given to him? No use giving much up just to move up a spot or two?

He could always drop back...say, to the 2.8 spot & pick up a player, or a pick, or BOTH Just a thought.

 

[Sinrj]

Does it still makes sens to have so many RB at the top considering that so many either bust, get injured or are stuck in a RBBC for years?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

What are your thoughts on Stafford bloom? I like him alot, I think he will be easily a Joe Flacco like QB with Cutler being his ceiling, he has tremendous touch and an awesome arm. I also think Mark Sanchez should be higher, he reminds me alot of Tony Romo and I couldnt imagine taking crap shoot WRs like Harvin, Britt or Thomas over him. Last year you recommended taking Ryan at 4 and the year before that Russell at 4 at this time of year, why are you down on Stafford? Sanchez as well should easily be at 12 you didnt even have Quinn this low and you hated Quinn.

Im softening on the value of QBs in dynasty leagues, unless they end up being no brainer every week starters. Also, as I mention, the hit rate on first round QBs is terrible in the past few years. Last year, you would have been better off starting Tyler Thigpen or Matt Cassel - waiver pickups - in the second half of the year than most Qbs this side of Brees, Peyton, or Warner.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Does it still makes sens to have so many RB at the top considering that so many either bust, get injured or are stuck in a RBBC for years?

risk/reward - all four of them have the ability to hit pretty big, and only Wells feels like a bust in waiting, but he also might be the most physically talented. The talent-to-questions ratio is higher for those 4 RBs than the 3 WRs that come next on the list.